This one time, at band camp, Cyril Brulebois said:
> Please let people maintain packages they use. Even more so when they
> apparently use them on a daily fashion. I'm pretty sure there is actual,
> unmaintained junk in the archive to be gotten rid of.
+1
Mark is a long-term DD. We know he's goi
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes:
> > On Sun, 17 Nov 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> >> Yeah, I know, which is part of why I used it for an example. I looked
> >> at it yesterday and will probably adopt it at some point when I have
> >> enough free time
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes:
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Yeah, I know, which is part of why I used it for an example. I looked
>> at it yesterday and will probably adopt it at some point when I have
>> enough free time to do a proper job on the initial upload.
> File an
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sune Vuorela writes:
> > On 2013-11-16, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> If someone proposed to remove nvi from the archive because vim is
> >> better, I would be quite annoyed. If it ever did get removed from the
> >> archive, I would probably adopt it and rei
On Nov 16, 2013, at 03:32 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
>There are other users who do use graphical mode, indeed I was reminded
>at the mini-Debconf today that the main reason XEmacs got forked was
>that GNU Emacs was too resistant to implementing a GUI. I guess some
>people use menus or whatever but I e
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:01 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>Your first mail came with the argument that you think that
>xemacs is more visually appealing than emacs. Honestly, emacs
>is primarily a tool and not an optical gimmick. Visual
>appearance does not bother most users, I'd guess. Most
Sune Vuorela writes:
> On 2013-11-16, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> If someone proposed to remove nvi from the archive because vim is
>> better, I would be quite annoyed. If it ever did get removed from the
>> archive, I would probably adopt it and reintroduce it, because nvi is
>> the editor that I'm
> Please let people maintain packages they use. Even more so when they
> apparently use them on a daily fashion.
Sounds like a rather strong incentive to revive the package upstream.
Maybe that makes more sense than reintroducing it in Debian as it is?
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On 2013-11-16, Russ Allbery wrote:
> If someone proposed to remove nvi from the archive because vim is better,
> I would be quite annoyed. If it ever did get removed from the archive, I
> would probably adopt it and reintroduce it, because nvi is the editor that
> I'm used to for small files and
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:37:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Emacs vs. XEmacs is a little like the perpetual vim vs. nvi argument.
> They work differently. Which is "better" can be a matter of opinion,
> speaking as an nvi user who can't stand vim despite the fact that vim
> clearly does more
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 07:07:21PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> This is what Paul did: When writing just a single sentence it might be
> reasonable to derive from a role which is good in general but not
> helpful in specific cases. Please try to make reasonable
> top-posting-bashings if necessa
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 01:30:01PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I have yet to see someone who does. I'm a long-time emacs user
> and so are many of other developers I work together with and everyone
> I know of who uses emacs as their primary editor doesn't use X11
> support, you just
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (2013-11-16):
> > And, rather more to the point, what the hell business is it of
> > yours? Other Debian Developers don't have to justify their
> > priorities and the disposition of their time to you. I think this
> > sort of grilling is quite demoralizing and frustrati
On 11/16/2013 08:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
>
>> Russ claimed that XEmacs has some features that emacs doesn't, however,
>> he wasn't able to mention them.
>
> The one that bothered me the most when I switched to Emacs was that XEmacs
> narrows the cursor when
On 16/11/2013 13:30, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I have yet to see someone who does. I'm a long-time emacs user
> and so are many of other developers I work together with and everyone
> I know of who uses emacs as their primary editor doesn't use X11
> support, you just don't need it in mos
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
> Russ claimed that XEmacs has some features that emacs doesn't, however,
> he wasn't able to mention them.
The one that bothered me the most when I switched to Emacs was that XEmacs
narrows the cursor when it as the end of a line, which is very nice for
detecti
On 11/16/2013 07:39 PM, Filippo Rusconi wrote:
> How about knowing the shortcuts while having emacs running in a
> window?
I assume you haven't used emacs before then? ;) emacs has an excellent
online help and if you don't know a key shortcut, you can hit Meta-x
and type the command in a descripti
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Greetings Fellow Debianists,
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 01:30:01PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 01:10 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
> >> Your first mail came with the argument that you think that
> >> xemacs is m
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 05:05:31PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> > I was on my phone, thanks for the advice.
>
> I laboriously quote-post from my phone all the time. Emails should be
> optimised for the reader, rather than
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
> On 11/16/2013 01:10 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
>> Your assertations here both seem rather strong and unsupported,
>> especially the idea that people don't use Emacs in graphical mode - it
> I have yet to see someone who does.
*waves*.
> I'm a long-time emacs user
❦ 16 novembre 2013 13:30 CET, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
:
> I have yet to see someone who does. I'm a long-time emacs user
> and so are many of other developers I work together with and everyone
> I know of who uses emacs as their primary editor doesn't use X11
> support, you just don't need it
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 01:30:01PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 01:10 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
> > Your assertations here both seem rather strong and unsupported,
> > especially the idea that people don't use Emacs in graphical mode - it
> I have yet to see someone who doe
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (2013-11-16):
> I have yet to see someone who does. I'm a long-time emacs user and so
> are many of other developers I work together with and everyone I know
> of who uses emacs as their primary editor doesn't use X11 support, you
> just don't need it in most cases. emacs
On 11/16/2013 02:06 PM, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> I'm kind of wondering why we are arguing how someone who has
> maintained zlib longer than the rest of us have been DDs combined
> should spend his time.
I'm not criticizing him, I'm criticizing the idea. Or, putting it
the other way around, I think it
On 2013-11-16, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 11:43 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:49:49PM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
>>=20
>>> Why should Debian carry this package?
>>=20
>> It's a package that we've carried since forever and which has a
>> userbase.=20
On 11/16/2013 01:10 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
>> Your first mail came with the argument that you think that
>> xemacs is more visually appealing than emacs. Honestly, emacs
>> is primarily a tool and not an optical gimmick. Visual
>> appearance does not bother most users, I'd guess. Most emacs
>> users
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:01:48PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 11:43 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
> > It's a package that we've carried since forever and which has a
> > userbase.
> That's not really an argument. We've also had uae and e-uae
It is an argument; it might be o
On 11/16/2013 12:22 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>> I know that other developers support the idea of having the FTP team doing
>> more
>> checks, but looking at the backlog, this in practice is only wishful
>> thinking,
>> that boils down to "I am happy that somebody else does the work". This at
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte a écrit :
>>
>> I'd have to look at the RC bugs.
>>
>> I'm looking for a hard commitment here
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I think that if you focused on the compliance with the DFSG, then the N
On 11/16/2013 11:43 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:49:49PM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
>
>> Why should Debian carry this package?
>
> It's a package that we've carried since forever and which has a
> userbase.
That's not really an argument. We've also had uae and e-uae
(t
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:49:49PM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> Why should Debian carry this package?
It's a package that we've carried since forever and which has a
userbase.
> Which virtual packages are you planning to provide?
The same set as the package previously did: emacsen, info-br
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 05:05:31PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> Furthermore, is it not usual practice for ftp master to comment on
> actual packages, rather than theoretical ones? an ITP is "intent to
> package". There's no package to critique yet!
Actually I'm starting from the previous pack
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 09:44:51AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte a écrit :
> > I'd have to look at the RC bugs.
> >
> > I'm looking for a hard commitment here
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I think that if you focused on the compliance with the DFSG, t
There was a nice bunch of (5-digit) bugs being closed with the removal,
they should be unarchived, reopened and handled properly if xemacs comes
back.
from https://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt:
=
[Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013
Le Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte a écrit :
>
> I'd have to look at the RC bugs.
>
> I'm looking for a hard commitment here
Hi Paul,
I think that if you focused on the compliance with the DFSG, then the NEW queue
could empty quicker.
It is a big problem, and it is also
On 15 November 2013 12:02, Mark Brown wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Mark Brown
>
> * Package name: xemacs21
> Version : 21.4.22
> Upstream Author : XEmacs development team
> URL : http://www.xemacs.org/
> License : GPL
> Programming
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 03:25:16PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> > > Before you put this in NEW, how do you plan on fixing the outstanding RC
> > > bugs?
> > By m
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> I was on my phone, thanks for the advice.
I laboriously quote-post from my phone all the time. Emails should be
optimised for the reader, rather than the writer.
> No, I don't think it's wise to let this back in the archive befor
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 03:25:16PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
>
> > Before you put this in NEW, how do you plan on fixing the outstanding RC
> > bugs?
>
> By making changes to the software.
This discussion is getting a tad too ant
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 03:25:16PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
>
> > Before you put this in NEW, how do you plan on fixing the outstanding RC
> > bugs?
>
> By making changes to the software.
No need to CC me, I'm subscribed.
This
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:06:37AM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> Before you put this in NEW, how do you plan on fixing the outstanding RC
> bugs?
By making changes to the software.
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 03:01:46PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:17:34AM -0500, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote:
>
> Don't top post.
I was on my phone, thanks for the advice.
> > Out of curiosity, how do you plan on solving it's six rc bugs?
>
> Yes, of course. Well, the one
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:17:34AM -0500, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote:
Don't top post.
> Out of curiosity, how do you plan on solving it's six rc bugs?
Yes, of course. Well, the one that was there when I looked is fixed,
I'll see if the BTS tells me about any open ones after the reupload.
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Out of curiosity, how do you plan on solving it's six rc bugs?
On Nov 15, 2013 9:10 AM, "Mark Brown" wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:29:50PM +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:02:18PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > > * Package name: xemacs21
> > > Version
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:29:50PM +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:02:18PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> > * Package name: xemacs21
> > Version : 21.4.22
> Wasn't this removed just one month ago?
Yes, this is why I'm ITPing it.
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:02:18PM +, Mark Brown wrote:
> * Package name: xemacs21
> Version : 21.4.22
Wasn't this removed just one month ago?
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725883
Berto
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mark Brown
* Package name: xemacs21
Version : 21.4.22
Upstream Author : XEmacs development team
URL : http://www.xemacs.org/
License : GPL
Programming Lang: C, elisp
Description : highly customizable text edit
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