[on list, this time. sorry]
On Saturday 09 August 2003 04:48, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> You can talk but you can't second a proposal. You somewhat can (or
> could) make a proposal since that isn't signed and normaly noone
> bothered to check if one was a DD. But thats more of a backdoor than
>
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:34:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> If you actually dig into the list, you'll find that many of the bugs
> with patches fall into the same category as these two. Most of the
> rest actually need significant attention
Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Friday 08 August 2003 05:23, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>
> > Policy changes, voting and the internal discussions all need
> > membership. Having NMs hang in limbo without due cause is denying
> > them the right to those.
>
>
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:39:25PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:38:43PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> >
> > > > altruim, [sic]
> > >
> > > Self-delusion. (It's invariably a form of 'By doin
Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>How about moving from the one-step application (one is non-dd or dd) two a
>>two
>>stage process: introduce the 'Debian Contributor' brand with very easy entry
>>level, and only DC's (older than a month or
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:39:25 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Two pounds of flax.
Oh, you play A Tale in the Desert?
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:38:43PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
>
> > > altruim, [sic]
> >
> > Self-delusion. (It's invariably a form of 'By doing this I can better
> > fit the sort of person I would like to think I am'. People
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:59:52 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
> Start with the things about Debian which are distinctly different from
> other projects. You should be able to find some things which you want
> to do which d
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > altruim, [sic]
>
> Self-delusion. (It's invariably a form of 'By doing this I can better
> fit the sort of person I would like to think I am'. People who
> disagree with this interpretation are probably committing it. Get o
I demand that Steve Lamb may or may not have written...
> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:52:14 +0200
> Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they consider
>> to be quotes.
> True, but reflow across multiple levels tends to break when on
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:33:08PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> What we need is a database with simple mailing list function (similar to
> PTS) where willing sponsors for a certain package can subscribe and
> sponsorees with much motivation can send diffs for the next version
> upgrade. Easy to rev
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:59:42AM -0600, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
> On Friday 08 August 2003 10:59 am, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
> > > Funny. I thought the FSF was, at least origionally, more or less
> > > entirely about self-interest, a
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:59:52PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
> > > > * want to contribute something to a project they respect
> > > > * want to help out Debian users
> > > > * want to help promote the goals of Debian
> > >
> > > The
On Friday 08 August 2003 10:59 am, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
> > Funny. I thought the FSF was, at least origionally, more or less
> > entirely about self-interest, altruism, and politics.
>
> The organisation might have been founded for tho
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
> > > * want to contribute something to a project they respect
> > > * want to help out Debian users
> > > * want to help promote the goals of Debian
> >
> > These are bad reasons.
>
> They are also the only reasons anyone would want to
* Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> How about moving from the one-step application (one is non-dd or dd) two a
> two
> stage process: introduce the 'Debian Contributor' brand with very easy entry
> level, and only DC's (older than a month or something like that -
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 08:21:48AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:46:20PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not
> > >suitable for Debian. (The "answer", incident
Not wanting to start yet another thread, but I not knowing where to tack it
on...
How about moving from the one-step application (one is non-dd or dd) two a two
stage process: introduce the 'Debian Contributor' brand with very easy entry
level, and only DC's (older than a month or something lik
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 08:29:54AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:55:19PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>
> > That, however, is not enough in and of itself. I *could* very well
> > contribute to FreeBSD. I don't. Why? Because I don't like
> > FreeBSD. I like Debian. Yo
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:52:14 +0200
> Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>| OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they
>| consider to be quotes.
>
> True, but reflow across multiple levels tends to break when one
> has diff
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:40:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Do you think any DD reads those? Do DDs care about Bugs with patches?
> >And don't tell me glibc is unmaintained or ppp.
> ppp actually appears to be unmaintained. Many
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:40, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Do you think any DD reads those? Do DDs care about Bugs with patches?
> >And don't tell me glibc is unmaintained or ppp.
>
> ppp actually appears to be unmaintained. Many users requested
On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do you think any DD reads those? Do DDs care about Bugs with patches?
>And don't tell me glibc is unmaintained or ppp.
ppp actually appears to be unmaintained. Many users requested essential
features like pppoa and kernel space pppoe su
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:33:24 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 04:21:42AM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> > Membership is not about resources, its about community.
>
> Bullshit. Our "community" consists of heckling each other until we get
> it right.
This "
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:33:24 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bullshit. Our "community" consists of heckling each other until we get
> it right. Membership is about doing the damn work; I guess that's a
> form of "resources".
But I thought it was perfectly possible to perform wor
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 04:21:42AM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:21:48 +0100
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think you're going to get it, either. It's basically the same
> > question as "Why do people write free software?", and if you come up
> > w
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:21:48 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think you're going to get it, either. It's basically the same
> question as "Why do people write free software?", and if you come up
> with "altruism", "politics", or "respect" then you're barking up the
> wrong
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:34:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > It's not like a developer could do anything more, in these two
>
> That being true still doesn't help non DDs to contribute.
Indeed, but it also means that they are not reasons why people should
be given accounts.
> > case
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:29:54 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, you have misconstrued it the other way. It really was "You
> like it therefore you should contribute".
No. There is a difference between these two statements:
I like Debian therefore I should contribute.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:55:19PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can"
> > or "because it's there", or some other variation; it is a goal in
> > itself, and not a means to an end)
>
> That, however, is not enough in and of itself. I *could* very well
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:58:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Andrew Suffield said:
> >On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>
> >> Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do
> >> which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider.
>
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:46:20PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not
> >suitable for Debian. (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can"
> >or "because it's there", or some other varia
* Steve Lamb
| On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:06:56 +0200
| Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > So it can if you use | or : or some other random character as well.
| > It's still a bit silly to have to reflow all your paragraphs at the
| > first quotation level, but whatever.
|
| Which I
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:06:56 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So it can if you use | or : or some other random character as well.
> It's still a bit silly to have to reflow all your paragraphs at the
> first quotation level, but whatever.
Which I don't. Since the quoted text
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:52:14 +0200
Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they consider
> to be quotes.
True, but reflow across multiple levels tends to break when one has
different quote characters to contend with.
--
Hi, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Please use a standard quote character, which is >. In that way pretty
> much any modern editor in the past, say, 10 years, can reflow quoted lines to
> fit within 80 characters.
OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they consider
to be quotes.
OTGH,
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:08:38AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not
> suitable for Debian. (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can"
> or "because it's there", or some other variation; it is a goal in
> itself, and not a m
* Steve Lamb
| Please use a standard quote character, which is >. In that way
| pretty much any modern editor in the past, say, 10 years, can reflow
| quoted lines to fit within 80 characters. 72 was for the ~10 years
| before reflowing of quotes.
So it can if you use | or : or some other
On Friday 08 August 2003 04:09, Scott James Remnant wrote:
Thanks a lot for this one.
-- vbi
--
I'm personally quite happy with one stable release every two years, and
am of the opinion that trying to release more will mean we'll have to
rename the distro from "stable" to "wobbly".
-- Sc
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:04:04 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Steve Lamb
> (please trim your lines a little, 72 chars/line is considered
> standard, to allow for a few levels of quoting before breaking the
> lines on a 80 char wide terminal. TIA.)
Please use a standard qu
* Steve Lamb
(please trim your lines a little, 72 chars/line is considered
standard, to allow for a few levels of quoting before breaking the
lines on a 80 char wide terminal. TIA.)
| That is true, but that doesn't make the package "important" in
| the sense I got from his message. What I
On Friday 08 August 2003 05:23, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Policy changes, voting and the internal discussions all need
> membership. Having NMs hang in limbo without due cause is denying them
> the right to those.
Voting yes. But to me it seems that most issues are discussed on the open
list
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:32:43 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Somebody ITP-ed cpufreq a little time ago. That's quite important if
> you are using a laptop (which a lot of DDs are) with ACPI and you
> don't want to burn all your battery.
> New tools get written all the time, ma
* Goswin von Brederlow
| How does a package become important? All the important stuf has been
| in debian for years. I doubt any NM can come up with a new package
| where people say: "Gosh, if we wouldn't have that we would be screwed."
Somebody ITP-ed cpufreq a little time ago. That's quite im
Andrew Suffield said:
>On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do
>> which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider.
^^
>>
>> Generally it's QA stuff. I'm doing it an
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not
>suitable for Debian. (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can"
>or "because it's there", or some other variation; it is a goal in
>itself, and not a means to an end)
OK, now *that*
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:52:04PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Good grief, how easy do we have to make it?
> > >
> > > http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch
> > >
> > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:50:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > >
> > > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that
Josef Spillner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> That being said, the cyclic mentioning of non-openness problems on d-d does
> not invalidate the fact that those who invest time into a project are
> steering it, independent of whether they're a "member" or not (true also for
> KDE and certainly oth
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:02:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>
> > Also aren't mails between AM, DAM, Advocate and NM archived somewhere?
>
> This is not the case for at least the AM<->NM mails. Also, advocating
> someone is basically just a vir
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute.
>
> For meaningful values of "contribute", sure. But being a project member
> with a d.o account is not essential to contributing, and its arguable
> how significant a "
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 21:49, Chris Cheney got eaten by the Troll:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you
> > give commit access to just about anybody too.
> >
> > Scott
> > (GNOME user)
>
> O
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:52:04PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Good grief, how easy do we have to make it?
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=&include=patch
> >
> > See the form at
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:08:38 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not
> suitable for Debian.
Oddly enough, I've never asked that.
> (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can"
> or "because it's there", or some oth
Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do
>which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider.
In this sort of case, the answer is not necessarily to make the NM
process faster - it's to make it easier for outsiders to contribute to
the rest of Debi
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:57:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do
> > which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider.
> >
> > Generally it's QA stuff. I'm doi
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:57:10PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:25:41 +0100
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I *do not* want people to contribute *because* they "like the
> > project".
>
> What other reason would their be? Why would they want to contribute
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
> >I'm not sure there are any good ones other than having some specific
> >(technical, not political) things you want to see done and are willing
> >to do. In that case, you won't have to be told to demonstra
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:25:41 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I *do not* want people to contribute *because* they "like the
> project".
What other reason would their be? Why would they want to contribute to a
project they don't like esp. when there is no financial gain for it
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No. But you said that the opposite is the wrong reason. If we like
> Debian it is a bad reason to want to contribute.
No. I think Andrew meant that liking Debian or wanting to contribute
is a bad reason to join Debian. He wants people to contribut
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:26:57PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:23:20 +0100
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Of course that isn't true, I was just showing the farce of your
> > > statement. Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute.
>
> >
> Uh, no. You have 3 possible pools.
>
> 1: Someone likes Debian.
> 2: Someone dislikes Debian.
> 3: Someone hasn't formed an opinion of Debian or doesn't care about Debian.
>
> Do you want contributions from 2 or 3? IE, someone who dislikes it or
> someone who is uninformed or ambivale
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0500
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you
> > give commit access to just about anybody too.
> > Scott
> > (GNOME user)
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:29:03 -0700
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew said that merely liking Debian wasn't a good enough reason to
> want to join the project.
No, he said it wasn't a good reason. No "enough".
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"TBH, that's a lousy reason to join
On Thursday 07 August 2003 09:51, Yven Johannes Leist wrote:
> I think not even that is exactly true either, since the skills required to
> get a cvs account for KDE are surely somewhat above our NM checks[1]. You
> usually need to have a whole application written by yourself to get an
> account, a
> Incidentally, the entire NM system seems geared toward package
> maintainers only, if you read the web pages. (That was not
> particularly encouraging.)
It seems in that way. However, AM asks you what to do in Debian.
When you choose a specific section, You are not supposed to know
that issue
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:23:20 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Of course that isn't true, I was just showing the farce of your
> > statement. Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute.
> You have failed miserably at understanding my statement. I do not want
>
Andrew Suffield wrote:
>I'm not sure there are any good ones other than having some specific
>(technical, not political) things you want to see done and are willing
>to do. In that case, you won't have to be told to demonstrate stuff -
>you'll just do it, because you want to.
Wrong. There have bee
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:02:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Also aren't mails between AM, DAM, Advocate and NM archived somewhere?
This is not the case for at least the AM<->NM mails. Also, advocating
someone is basically just a virtual tick in a box.
--
"You grabbed my hand and we
Andrew Suffield wrote:
>>Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you
>>want to contribute?
> TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a cheque or something.
Yeah, but Debian isn't *that* awesome before I decide to join (and am
accepted). ;)
Cheers
T.
P.S.: SCNR
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you
> give commit access to just about anybody too.
>
> Scott
> (GNOME user)
Oh you mean the fact that KDE has rapid development... Yep. ;)
Chris
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:56:24PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
> > > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
Steve Lamb wrote:
> No. But you said that the opposite is the wrong reason. If we like
> Debian it is a bad reason to want to contribute. So the it is only
> logical to presume that if you feel liking is a bad reason disliking
> might very well be a good one.
This is "logical"? In what univer
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:50:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
> > > access to packages with patch
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
> > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
> >
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
> > > Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you
> > > want to
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
> > Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you
> > want to contribute?
> TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a chequ
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been
>
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
> > access to packages with patches pending would be a start.
>
> Good grief, how easy do we have to make it?
>
>
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>
> > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
> > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system
>
> Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch
Nicolas Bertolissio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit :
> [...]
> > Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome,
> > feedback on your application?
> No,
>
> > I'm not asking whether you would clamor
> > for updates, but whether receiving th
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:31:23PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > It runs deeper than that. If you aren't sufficiently interested to do
> > the work for its own sake, why the hell are you trying to join Debian
> > in the first p
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit :
[...]
> Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome,
> feedback on your application?
No,
> I'm not asking whether you would clamor
> for updates, but whether receiving them would be a problem for you?
No, but I don't need any, I just h
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 19:39, Oliver Bausinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 August 2003 20:01, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > > Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be
> > > solved by active and expe
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been
> > 4-5 months now. I asked him on IRC when he might
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
> access to packages with patches pending would be a start.
Good grief, how easy do we have to make it?
http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch
http://bugs.debian.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:00:53PM +0200, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote:
> Le jeudi 7 ao?t 2003, Goswin von Brederlow ?crit :
> > WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to
> > activate
>
> YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more,
> I am waiting for DAM approva
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit :
> WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to activate
YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more,
I am waiting for DAM approval, so I just wait...
Nicolas Bertolissio
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On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
> access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system
Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch .
--
"You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, li
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject"
> > button on the webpage he can just press to
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Moin Goswin!
> Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003:
>
> > > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull
> > > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there.
> > >
> > > I must have severe reading and
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development
> > > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel...
> > > IMO it's general
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:25:03PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject"
> > button on the webpage he ca
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:33:08PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
>
> What we need is a database with simple mailing list function (similar to
> PTS) where willing sponsors for a certain package can subscribe and
> sponsorees with much motivation can send diffs for the next version
> upgrade. Easy to
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject"
> button on the webpage he can just press to reject someone.
> After that rejecting would be a matter of seco
> On [06/08/03 17:29], Halil Demirezen wrote:
> > What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
> > that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are
>
> Why do you you think that "over the world" Debian is "being obsolete"?
> Do you have some evidence
Moin Goswin!
Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003:
> > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull
> > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there.
> >
> > I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't
> > understand w
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> >
> > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development
> > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel...
> > IMO it's generally too easy entering in Debian.
>
> You can get access to the gc
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:59:41PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
> While I was reading that, I would like to say here, For example, even
> after checked ID, I am not pointed as checked ID. This is even
> discouraging. I am asking myself what is happening wrong with what I
> cant see the process tho
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit :
> Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> > Also, it seems like most DD's don't maintain many packages anyway. Yes
> > there are other things that a DD can do other than just maintain
> > packages, like help with web translations, boot fl
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