On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
>> Q: I'm a smart man, I know what I'm doing, what apps I'm breaking and what
>> consequences my decision might have, but I still need my /tmp in tmpfs.
>> A: Then you should do that. In those rare cases when defaults need to be
>> changed they sh
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>> > Apart from the fact that requirements will be different on
>> > different systems. Putting functionality for all possible corner
>> > cases into the daemon is not sensible for any upstream.
Hi,
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Uoti Urpala wrote:
>>
>>Who's the one choosing his preferred configuration format based on the
>>limitations of his preferred packaging system here? Hint: it's not Red
>>Hat.
>
> *yawn*
>
> When you've got something constructive to add t
Hi,
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 05/09/12 21:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> ]] Philipp Kern
>>
>>> You will not, however, get a conffile update prompt when the system
>>> file changes (e.g. to update your own local copy to incorporate the
>>> fix).
>> This is somethin
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> I can find numbers of potential node users by examining the number of
> active amateur radio licenses and make educated guesses as to how many
> may be using the ham radio node software as either a user of the system
> or a system pro
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:04:32PM -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> > On 04/30/2012 04:56 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> >> I agree that OpenRC would be
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/30/2012 04:56 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> I agree that OpenRC would be an improvement over the status
>> quo, but migrating *away* from OpenRC later on would be a major pain
>> as we would have to support both
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Keeping our options open, and evaluating what are options are
> available and usable is important, and this is the principal reason
> why I am interested in looking at OpenRC. It doesn't hurt to try it
> out and see if it meets our needs.
Agr
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> One of the definining characteristics of the Linux ecosystem, including
> Debian, has been that the system has been made up of a set of loosely-
> coupled compoments with well-defined interfaces. This is in stark
> contrast to, e.g. Windows, M
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> Anyway, sorry if this sounds presumptious but if anyone can make a package
> then contact me and I'll collaborate and make whatever changes are needed to
> get it to work with Debian. I did make an effort before asking for help, but
> I'
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Svante Signell
wrote:
> In order to contribute more than being a porter (and patch submitter),
> I'm wondering how much effort/support is needed to become a DM, i.e.
> being able to upload packages myself, etc. A second alternative would be
> to build packages
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:36:13 +0200
> Svante Signell wrote:
>> Doing that will make the
>> release of wheezy much smoother than trying to fix things in the last
>> minute (and risk that the packages gets excluded from wheezy??)
>
> Definitely
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Michael Welle wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Michael Banck writes:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 11:31:49AM +0200, Michael Welle wrote:
>>> Anyways, what if I want to report a bug that happens if I use foo.org?
>>
>> We can discuss this again once this is actually the cas
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Thomas Bechtold
wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:25 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > i just want to ask if it'
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
> version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
> latest version available in debian. i don't care about the upstart
> support in debia
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Svante Signell
wrote:
> Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
> breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode... Looking forward
> to the which nasty bugs in the future are caused by systemd/upstart!
Wow. You *clearly* don't kno
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> I really think that what's missing here is:
> - Improve sysvinit and make it better to fit our needs without breaking
> anything (eg: less scripts redundancy, parallel booting, ...).
You're missing the point. We already have parallel bootin
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Andreas Metzler
wrote:
> Philip Hands wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:37:39 +0100, Vincent Danjean
>> wrote:
> [...]
>>> * We could try to define a file format that allow a conversion (by a
>>> separate specific tool or at runtime) to various init systems.
>>
Hello,
After a brief discussion in debian-mentors[1], Paul Wise suggested
that we might need a virtual package for icon themes that adhere to
the FreeDesktop.org icon naming spec[2]. Following his suggestions, I
posted a message requesting feedback from debian-desktop[3] (I suggest
that intereste
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du mercredi 07 mars 2012, vers 00:21,
> Fernando Lemos disait :
>
>>> To give one particular example: systemd uses Linux-specific features to
>>> accurately track all the pro
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Jens Stimpfle wrote:
> python-poppler bindings are incomplete, I am missing one for
> ps_file_new. I feel that I have to patch it myself, but am at a loss for
> understanding how it works. The build system has a poppler.defs file
> which gets compiled to C code usin
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> To give one particular example: systemd uses Linux-specific features to
> accurately track all the processes started by a service, which allows
> accurate monitoring and shutdown of processes which could otherwise
> disassociate themselve
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Arno Töll wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi,
>
> On 05.03.2012 14:31, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> I believe people don't go to http://www.debian.net/ often, as it
>> redirects to http://www.debian.org/.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> What we need, though, is probably to make it more clear to our users
> what is the difference among *.debian.net and *.debian.org services. It
> is something that developers know by folklore, but that I seriously
> doubt most of our users
Hi,
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Sergio Cipolla wrote:
> Hello.
> I'm just a Debian user for some years and I'm writing to this list
> because I found that at
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660814 the Debian
> Multimedia maintainer Fabian Greffrath was very wrong, by being
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
> Personally I think this is completely the wrong approach to take for
> compiler hardening flags. The flags should be enabled by default in
> upstream GCC and disabled by upstream software where they result in
> problems. The compiler hardeni
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dmitrii Kashin wrote:
>> A list of the actual utilities that you are interested in would help
>> people to answer your question.
>
> Okay. Here are listed all packages LiveCD contain:
> http://networksecuritytoolkit.org/nst/log/manifest.html
> Here are also de
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> This file could be easier to parse than a upstart/systemd unit too. I
>> think even more than scripts could be converted into this basic
>> format. The only drawback I can see is that it's another init
>> description syntax to learn (if it's
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
> * Socket activation information for systemd (and possibly upstart with
> upstart-socket-bridge)
By the way, I wonder if we could also come up with a wrapper that
allowed upstart to work with the systemd socket activation protocol.
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Steve Langasek writes:
>
>> There are two main challenges here that I'm aware of with trying to
>> generate init scripts from upstart jobs:
>
>> - Process supervision. A lot of the win of moving to an init system like
>> upstart or syste
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Of course the hard part is to make the initial decision to switch to a
> given init system; this is the kind of things Debian is very bad at.
That's something I've always wondered. It seems to me that we'll
*never* reach any form of conse
Em 23/02/2012 14:58, "Steve Langasek" escreveu:
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 08:56:22AM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > Moreover, other display manager may not work correctly because gdm3 is
> > the only display manager supporting all modern stuff. For example, we
> > could switch to somethi
Hello Vittore,
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Vittore Luccio wrote:
> Thanks to you. Here's some other information:
[...]
What you're reporting is waaay too general. Please contact the
debian-user mailing list [1] or some other localized mailing list for
Debian users, and ask for advice on ho
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> Le Wednesday 18 January 2012 18:41:44, Jakub Wilk a écrit :
>> And how do I use this parser? I want something as simple as: for a given
>> patch, check if the header complies to DEP-3 and if it does, dump it in
>> some machine-readable for
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Adam Borowski schrieb:
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:47:38PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> > On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc
>> > It DOES NOT
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Marc Haber
wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:09:02 -0300, Fernando Lemos
> wrote:
>>The thing you don't seem to get is that systemd uses "init files"
>
> No need to be rude and to assume stupidity on the other side when one
> is
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Stephan Seitz
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 05:09:11PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>>>
>>> Configuration file for the daemon is /etc/default/rsyslog:
>>
>> The canonical configuration file for the rsyslog daemon is
>> /etc/rsyslog.conf.
>
> Yes, but it doesn’t a
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Marc Haber
wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:12:13 -0300, Fernando Lemos
> wrote:
>>A more realistic option would be launching a program (or script) which
>>would read a configuration file (containing whatever
>>/etc/default/exim4 contains
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
>> From what I've seen in Lennart's posts, adding systemd support doesn't
>> seem to be too complicated.
>
> No. No changes at all are necessary to be compatible with systemd.
> This is a very impressive feature of systemd; at the same ti
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek
wrote:
>>>No, I don't think so. If these external tools double fork then they
>>>are just wrong.
>
>> Double Forking has been the right way to do it for decades.
>
> It has been the default way for most daemons, granted. (Getty is
> a notable
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
>> By the way, we already have the SysV init scripts, so we don't need to do
>> anything to keep supporting that, while it will take some time before every
>>
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> By the way, we already have the SysV init scripts, so we don't need to do
> anything to keep supporting that, while it will take some time before every
> package with a daemon has the required systemd scripts in place, I think we
> should wait
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Marc Haber
wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:36:34 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen
> wrote:
>>Something like:
>>
>>ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf
>>ExecStart=/usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
>>
>>should do what you want.
>
> exim4 is one example, and it adds some extra co
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Uoti Urpala]
>> IMO letting kFreeBSD block a technology like systemd (or even letting
>> it have a significant impact on the discussion about whether it's
>> desirable to introduce the technology for the main Linux case) would
>> only be
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Gergely Nagy wrote:
[...]
> (Personally, I like the patch systemd path best, and time and skill
> permitting, I'd be happy to help, if so need be.)
While that may sound attractive at first, I don't think it's
technically possible at all at the moment. It's not a s
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A few days ago, we had a discussion in Ubuntu about a packaging-dev meta
> package. The problem is that users have to install a bunch of packages
> if they want to dive into packaging. Even some packagers get annoyed
> when they need
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Patrick Strasser
wrote:
[...]
> Why not use some simple non-HTTP-protocol on port 80?
That tends to break transparent proxying. If port 80 is the only one
you have open, chances are you're behind a transparent proxy as well.
Regards,
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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Didier Raboud wrote:
>> I think expecting having a working smtp on laptops, workstations, etc,
>> is unreasonable these days.
>> I suggest that we can make an HTTP based bug reporting method.
>
> While I disagree with your appreciation, I am sure that it would be
>
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, sean finney wrote:
[...]
> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 10:25:35PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 02:24:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> > What to do during freezes
>> > -
>> > If we want to do something diff
2011/5/1 Miroslav Suchý :
> Dne 3.4.2011 18:08, Fernando Lemos napsal(a):
>>
>> * It doesn't have a good command-line interface
>
> It does have CLI interface. Those commands are bundled directly in
> NetworkManager:
> nm-cli
> nm-tool
> nm-online
>
> I
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>> Could those thread participants who have gripes from their last NM
>> experience many years ago please confirm that their gripes still apply
>> before continuing with the discussion?
>
> felipe@pcfelipe:supercollider% apt-cache policy netwo
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Patrick Schoenfeld
wrote:
>> I've always believed that peoply chose NM for simplicity. And I can
>> understand that. It's simple because it doesn't support anything
>> "complex", including common VPN setups.
>
> ifupdown does not support any VPN setup at all. how
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Stanislav Maslovski
wrote:
[...]
>> Also note that there are NM plugins that enable NM to understand
>> /etc/network/interfaces and the Fedora/RHEL counterparts. This means
>> that if a server has NM enabled and an administrator wants to
>> configure networking manu
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
wrote:
[...]
> This said, I don't think NM can be the magic bullet to fix everything.
> Even RedHat while shipping NetworkManager on servers last I checked,
> still relies on their simpler command-line setup for interfaces. So
> should we. De
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
[...]
> It does have system-global config file. But the settings are not
> expected to be there. By default the settings are expected to be in the
> user directory (has this changed since 0.8?). So I won't easily find it
> when I want to e.g. ch
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 5:11 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
[...]
> last I checked, for instance, it was not possible to hook up two
> network cards with DHCP.
[...]
Hmmm I do have two network cards and they both get IP addresses with
DHCP as I would expect (when they both are enabled).
Anyways, I do
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
> In situations like this, what can package maintainers do? Would adding
> -Wl,--copy-dt-needed-entries to the build script be acceptable and
> would gold support that flag too? Should the bugs be assigned to the
> libra
Olaf,
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> Those are valid points, of course, but many Boost projects will fail
>> to build now and I see no good solution[1][2][3]. Some libraries like
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
[...]
> The latter change is described in [1] (section [2]). To summarize: If a
> library
> symbol is directly used by an object without explicitly linking this library,
> the link step now fails. The fix is to pass the library explict
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Simon Chopin
wrote:
[...]
>> > As Julian Taylor mentioned, there is also another side of the same
>> > problem: aptitude itself can be improved so that it is able to
>> > download and unpack in parallel. If it were doing this then the lock
>> > would be justified.
>
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Stanislav Maslovski
wrote:
[...]
>> If you want to have that level of control, why don't you just check it
>> manually? Use --download-only with apt-get (no dpkg locking this way)
>> and when it's done, use apt-get without it to install the packages after
>> making
Hi Olaf, Roger
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
[...]
>> Now, pkg-config isn't standardised /either/, but it's useful because
>> it will work with any standards-conforming compiler. It's just a
>> generalisation of existing practice (in the form of foo-config
>> scripts
Hi, Olaf
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
>> Why? If you link indirectly today, and later on boost_filesystem
>> drops its boost_system dependency, your code will break because
>> those inlined functions are in *your*
Hi Roger,
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
[...]
> btag *does* use boost::system, even though you don't want to use it.
> Right now, with the g++4.5 and/or the gold linker, you aren't linking
> with a library you need. And I'm afraid that right at this point in
> time, it does
Hi Roger,
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> This is a bug in your package, unfortunately. While it might appear
> that you only use boost_system /indirectly/, your code is in fact
> using it /directly/ via inline functions in the boost_filesystem
> headers. You can see this
Hi Lucas,
Thanks for generating this list.
2010/12/3 Lucas Nussbaum :
> Fernando Tarlá Cardoso Lemos
> btag
This is not a bug in btag. The problem is that binutils-gold (used by
Ubuntu) breaks every program that uses Boost (among other C++
libraries):
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:56 PM, T. Alex Chen wrote:
> I want to do atomic operation and find there is already such implementation
> in Linux, e.g. atomic_add, atomic_set, atomic_cmpset, etc, after I google on
> the Web. I find a libatomic-ops-dev package and install it. But there is
> still
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:39 AM, ivan wrote:
> I cannot chage manually IP address in /etc/network/interfaces, after bring
> interface down with ifconfig eth0 down I manually edit above maentioned file
> with:
> allow-hotplug eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
> address xxx.xxx.xx.xx and so on and a
Hi Roland,
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Roland Mas wrote:
>> Well, we know that fully 27% of popcon-reporting users already use
>> unstable or testing. So in general, developers already have an incentive
>> to keep unstable and testing usable for those users, not just stable.
>
> I'm fine wi
Hey,
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Luk Claes wrote:
> IMHO, what is missing from rolling should be added to testing, not
> worked around by introducing another suite:
I believe it's the other way around, actually. To me, adding stuff to
testing is the workaround. Testing is not meant to be u
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:27:14PM +0200, Salvo 'LtWorf' Tomaselli wrote:
>> On Tuesday 07 September 2010 12:02:38 Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
>> > What about using nc ?
>> > nc -l < /etc/passwd
>> >
>> > http://localhost:/ => bingo.
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer
wrote:
> You're aware that not only .bash_* and .profile can be distributed
> by /etc/skel,... but any other config file (e.g. .vimrc) a specific site
> or organisation may found useful for their users?
> Or a predefined directory structure
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> (My own preference would be to create all home directories as completely
> empty, not even using /etc/skel, and fix all applications that need a
> file to create one on demand.)
There's no "need" for any of the files in /etc/skel, so there'
2010/7/26 Jesús M. Navarro :
> Hi, Ian:
>
> On Monday 26 July 2010 13:49:00 Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Brian May writes ("Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was:
> Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling"):
>> > I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP browser based inte
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM, David Kalnischkies
wrote:
> In regards to APT i will have a look later how to implement it,
> hints regarding a good error message are welcomed
> as i can currently only thing about stuff like:
>>
> W: http://debian.example.org squeeze Release: The Validation da
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Fernando Lemos:
>
>> 1. Man-in-the-middle attacks between clients and security update servers
>> 2. Denial-of-service attacks to the security updates infrastructure
>> 3. No trusted servers for security updates
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Michael Gilbert
wrote:
> All of the issues raised in this paper can be mitigated by a "proactive"
> user. Malicious mirror activity can be detected by paying attention to
> debsecan and the security tracker [0]. debsecan displays all known
> vulnerable packages on
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> okaaay, riight. so. ah ha. it makes things quicker... by avoiding
> starting the services _entirely_ :)
It goes beyond that. Instead of program A depending on B being done
initializing so that it can connect to B's socket,
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2010-05-30, brian m. carlson wrote:
>> The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of
>> functionality with free data. Weather information is in the public
>> domain because there's no originality to it. Most programs t
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