On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:30:18PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:08:22PM -0500, David Welton wrote:
> > I think that as many packages as reasonably possible should
> > migrate towards them. They work pretty well, but I don't believe
&g
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:30:20PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > > > Joey Hess' debhelper scripts are a good API, maybe it would be
> > > > good to standardize on them to some degree.
> > > No.
> >
> > I didn't say "make them THE standard"
> What did you mean then?
I think that as
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 03:55:43AM +0100, Chris Rutter wrote:
> I've had another early-morning idea. I think a metric called a "bug
> index" should be invented. It would be calculated like this: every
> severity of bug would be given a weight, say:
Sounds like an interesting idea - are you goin
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 05:07:25PM +0930, Ron wrote:
> Hmm.. I'd have said full time QA staff. If we are gonna have hired
> guns, let em blast at the bugs, then we *all* get value for our
> money...
Yeah, it's probably more worth it to have hired people do the 'boring'
stuff that people are les
Wow... Debian gets *lots* of publicity on linux.com. Very cool!
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So, if this really bothers you, do something about it. Make a company
and start marketing the hell out of Debian. That's most of what
Redhat is - mar
On Fri, May 14, 1999 at 02:29:09PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > The wnpp has become exceptionally incorrect and out of date.
>
> > What can we do as a group to fix this?
> One suggestion I just tossed out on IRC is to use the BTS
Good idea! We just have a w
chulze
> 347 Manoj Srivastava
I think you'd "win" anyways, though:->
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On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 07:40:28PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> > * Nils Lohner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > * James Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well, these guys are obvious... Nils has done a *great* job at getting
lots of Debian press releases out there, and James is o
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 06:14:17PM -0500, Avery Pennarun wrote:
> Octopi and ants may also be good, if they have wings.
Ants with wings would look like termites. Ick...
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ld' fly! And that doesn't stop us from loving them;-)
Although, personally, I think the BSD demon is way cooler than the
penguin...
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On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 02:01:09PM -0600, David Welton wrote:
> I think it's kind of silly that we no have this more or less
^ longer
Sorry...:-/
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I think it's kind of silly that we no have this more or less
'elementary' X package, so I'm offering to package it. Is it
generated from the X sources (in which case, maybe I'll just limit
myself to pestering Branden:-), or proc, or is it its own thing?
s
many proposals... Maybe we should take this debate to
debian-publicity. Infact, I have a feeling that the logo debate
should probably migrate there, as well.
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ible to create multiple swap partitions
though? Infact, this makes more sense, in some ways, because you are
utilizing different devices, and, if you can swing it so that you put
your main swap on a different disk than the one that gets the most
use, you can speed things up... Correct? I
or
> > more volenteers to help man the booth so let me know if you'll be attending
> > LinuxWorld.
>
> Call me ignorant if you like, but when/where is it?
San Jose - www.linuxworldexpo.com
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hat I think of the conference, what my boss thinks, etc..
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e what it would look like when fleshed out a
bit more... It might be more susceptible to loopholes, though...
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I recall some interest in generating a debian history timeline sort of
thing here - does anyone know the status of that? A friend of mine is
interested in putting it on a poster...
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as DFSG-free.
If you are indeed serious... technically, you are right, of course,
but I think people are really going to think we are just a bunch of
grumpy party-poopers if we seriously start to get anal about obviously
silly licenses like this..:->
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ow this might work financially, and have it
still be Free (which is one of the things it might be interesting to
talk about on a debian-business list).
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end all day
working on it/for it. However, I'm not sure that that aspect of
things has been sorted out yet... it should be an interesting couple
of years:->
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thing/touchy-feely woo woo crud;-)
> i better stop now before debian-devel detours into an sf crit list
> for a while.
Better than, to quote you, the 'legal bullshit' :->
Heh, that was fun...
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urce package.
As I said several messages back, a note to this effect in the package,
and during the install ought to suffice to notify people that "THIS
SOFTWARE IS INCLUDED AS A SERVICE TO OUR USERS, BUT IS NOT GUARANTEED
TO FUNCTION WITH DEBIAN" (or something like that:-)
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they are too thin skinned anyway. There are a lot of things
Debian needs - another flamewar on another silly issue isn't one of
them. Go write some code.
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an speakers can see
what it's all about:-> Alessandro Rubini (who wrote Linux Device
Drivers, as well as the Kernel Corner column for the Linux Journal) is
one of their employees.
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On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 01:40:39PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> > Pine doesn't want a company making money from Pine/Pico/Pilot...
>
> This makes it (paradoxically) non-free.
There is no paradox, because we mean 'free' in the sense of
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 03:13:09PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously David Welton wrote:
> > Well, even if RMS doesn't care for it, you can pull out the Open
> > Source definition, which is definitive and specific, and generally
> > used as the benchmark for w
t have 2 computers linked via ethernet (so that I
can get back in and do clean reboots). 1.2 megs is big, but nothing
compared to the whole source distribution...:->
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hole bloody
source package:-/
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work towards this.
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as the representative of the aforementioned Project in
such contexts where an Image may be deemed appropriate, and termed
proper by the party of the first part (the Developers).
Are we going to make a debian-creative list?
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ktop
> environment
Well, what happens when lots of people try it, see that it is broken,
and associate Gnome with being broken and unstable? That said, I
don't think that will happen if it is loudly declared to be *ALPHA
SOFTWARE*, and I think everyone will benefit from more copies bei
ative sizes of things, and then output something
based on that. I don't have time for this, so feel free to can the
idea of no one is interested in doing it.
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though, it seems
like a big ugly mess:->
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d to figure this out
quickly. I kind of wonder if the motherboard is wacked... I don't
need more stress:-(
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This definitely has some relevancy to us. It's worth reading, IMO.
http://slashdot.org/features/98/10/13/1423253.shtml
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pard it through to slink.
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least for
now, I think that most users of yagirc are interested in the GUI.
Non-gui people are most likely using epic, or something similiar:->>
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ost reasonable course of action.
"We are supplying 2.2.0, but please be aware that it may cause
problems with your system, and some packages may not work with it."
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at least the complete URL?
http://slashdot.org - it's a pretty good source of Linux news. The
comments have degraded though, don't bother with them.. Used to be
people like Alan Cox occasionally posted.. no more (afaik).
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faik.
I really wish we had a bit more minimalistic base, but I don't have
much time to work on it. Having Perl as necessary is also kind of
ugly, IMO. Oh well..
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So, is there any consensus on how to upload source packages for ports?
I have some things like strace that I would like to upload for arm,
but the source is fairly different... Hrmm... pondering.. maybe I can
get around it.. hrmmm
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On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 05:18:01PM -0400, James A. Treacy wrote:
> Version 2.0a of the I2O spec (dated 3 Feb 1998) has been sent to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this the same version that was made available
> before?
Did it come from anyplace interesting, out of curiousity?
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contacted wrt his software?
So do we put Linus' address for the kernel packages?:P
Seems like a decent idea, but I think there are other things to do.
Your time though, if you really see the need, go for it:->
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create [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)
Yes, please - "debian-creative". For logos, names, and other things
of that ilk that are fun to discuss, but that we shoudlnt force on
people who just want to do tech things.
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Little Blue
>From
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Peter_and_Barbara_Barham/breed.htm
Or we could use the scientific names..
Aptenodytes
Pygoscelis
Eudyptes
Spheniscus
Megadyptes
Eudyptula
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On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 01:59:15PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, David Welton wrote:
>
> > As far as something to replace them.. hrmm. Geography has been
> > popular lately.. cities, rivers.. Something international would be
> > good. Lakes? Seas?
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 09:53:55PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, David Welton wrote:
> : Debian 2.2, on the FTP site, is called sid. If you guys want to
> : discuss this, at least make it clear that you are talking about 2.3 or
> : 3 or whaterver.
> :
&g
to
discuss this, at least make it clear that you are talking about 2.3 or
3 or whaterver.
hamm - slink - sid
2.0 - 2.1 - 2.2
For example, those of us doing the arm port are already using Sid. We
won't have anything for slink.
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bian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).
There is an ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid, with such recent
things as debian-arm, so.. I think that's next:->
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too..
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code.
The Debian project thanks James Troup and Igor Grobman for pointing
out this problem, David Welton for taking the time to contact and
query the past and present ircII coders about changing the license,
and, most of all, Michael Sandrof, Troy Rollo and Matthew Green, first
and foremost for t
ortly.
Woooah.. hold on..
First of all, this is chronological. I dont think that's the
appropriate style for a press release. It could still be condensed a
lot.
I'll send this now so you dont send it off without a bit more
discussion. Let me try and write something..
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are pumping 1000's of dollars into
Gnome development instead of taking the easy way out and paying
troll-tech...
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On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 05:22:46AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 10:50:56AM -0700, David Welton wrote:
> > Ok, after a lot of emailing, ircII-current has the following license:
> > (from ircii.warped.com/pub/ircII/ircii-current/ircii/doc)
> >
&g
dvertising clause.
This means that ircII, epic, epic4, tkirc and bitchx can stay in main.
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uted under Debian, I'll be happy to integrate the patches.
John
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On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:05:19PM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote:
> That might not put it in contrib isn't there a "Free" version
> of DOS that someoen other than Micro$loth made? i fsomething like
> that works with DOSemu...
Caldera makes one, but it's not
nd provide more of a challenge
than creating another distribution.
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> > Maintainer: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Version: 0.66.7-10
> > Depends: libc6, slang0.99.38, xlib6g (>= 3.3-5)
> > ...
Does it possibly depend on having a working copy of DOS around? That
would put it in contrib.
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not, as long as it works.
Hrm.. you really need to set up a different list.. this being Debian,
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ugh the cracks of xcontrib and xproc. Will it be packaged
seperately? Should it be part of one of those humongous X builds?
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tually a way to do this from inittab, although it *is* a
control char, and thus might be less than perfect as far as a variety
of systems. I think the man page explains it.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:49:10PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So why haven't we seen this enforced, or has it happend but quietly?
> > I do note that there is no kemacs.., but there are things like
> > krpm.. hrm.. I
On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 08:16:58PM -0700, David Welton wrote:
>
> So why haven't we seen this enforced, or has it happend but quietly?
> I do note that there is no kemacs.., but there are things like
> krpm.. hrm.. I'd have to look at the list, but... one would think tha
or has it happend but quietly?
I do note that there is no kemacs.., but there are things like
krpm.. hrm.. I'd have to look at the list, but... one would think that
at least RMS would enforce things under the FSF's protection. So are
we missing something?
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On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 04:15:51PM -0400, Carl Mummert wrote:
> David Welton wrote:
> > One of the things I like about Linux, and Unix in general, is that it
> > doesn't try to be smart where you don't expect it to.
>
> But when you say, 'less binfile', wh
an do those things. nm binary | less, or whatever.. Let's leave the
default alone:->
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upport in their build
scripts for debs. Every morning they get some rpm's generated
automatically. I was wondering if it might be feasible to do this to
make some debs too, or if it would be just a waste of time:-/
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lable.
Zircon: very very slow
Tkirc: still slow
K.*irc: not free
So I'd like to package this, even if it is still alpha'ish.
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of the development going on, and maybe have a crack at fixing things
here and there... do the rpm's install well with alien?
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I don't know the licensing though..
Powered by emacs;-)
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ue respect, this seems more like a matter of local
configuration on your part rather than what the standard for Debian
should be. If we have decided that we want ctrl-alt-del to take the
system down, then it should do it consistantly.
Speaking of systems going down, anyone heard more than what i
On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 09:40:30AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> On Sat 11 Apr 1998, David Welton wrote:
>
> > Notwithstanding my dislike for things vi;-), vim is a nice program
> > used by a lot of people, so I though I'd try and fix some of the more
> > serious bug
om package `netscape4' to `pftp'.
What does netscape have to do with pftp?
Perplexed in Portland,
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On Sat, Apr 11, 1998 at 10:40:07PM -0400, James R. Van Zandt wrote:
>
> David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> >The debian conffile system has a weakness: there's no simple way to
> >announce what the significance of a changed conffile at administrator
&g
On Sat, Apr 11, 1998 at 09:15:01PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2. Ask the user if it is ok to fool with vimrc ,and script the
> > necessary changes. This strikes me as being ugly and something that
> > we might be stuck with f
is in frozen.
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> both emacsen?
I think /usr/doc/emacsen-common has some info.. also take a look at
some of the other emacsenified packages, like mailcrypt, to see how
they do it. I'm certainly not an exper though, just some leads:->
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On Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 10:24:42PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi,
> >>"David" == David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> David> If we won't even set a default prompt, what business do we have
> David> doing things like:
> [Setting u
t of
protection against spoofing attacks.
If we are going to go with what we think are reasonable defaults,
fine, but let's be consistent.
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ploaded though)
epic
lftp
mutt
patch
Please look over the relevant section in the policy manual. Pkg-order,
for those interested, is a perl script, so it's (tahnkfully), easy to
install on bo.
Suggestions are very welcome
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Speaking of which, will we be seeing the new ircII 4.4 anytime soon?
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I remember reading here that even Redhat is not really in favor of kde
because of it's non free componente - Qt. Is this really documented
anywhere? Other than by the fact that it hasn't been included:-)?
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as well. I would like to look at their
binary package tool as well, but it dumps core on my 2.2-RELEASE
Fbsd...
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2) writev() on linux isnt behaving as it "should be" with respect
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developed on a SunOS box, I believe).
Could anyone send me a sockaddr_un definition from a BSD box, or shed
other light on this problem?
Thanks,
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, (is there *anywhere* on
the internet where you can find untarred linux source code suitable
for perusing via ftp?) i just had to determine that there was
something wrong with writev() on linux and switched to using sprintf()
to generate the output.
Thanks,
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On Sat, Dec 13, 1997 at 01:11:37AM -0500, Scott K. Ellis wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, David Welton wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 13, 1997 at 01:44:51PM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote:
> > Isn't this the whole point of compiling hamm packages for bo? Ie, the
> > bo-updat
the whole point of compiling hamm packages for bo? Ie, the
bo-updates, bo-current or whatever directory that we have been
discussing for some time?
Ciao,
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be familiar with Mindspring,
it is a national level provider in the US with local access in 200+
cities. According to their press release, their total earnings for
the 3rd quarter were $13,967,000, with aproximately 224000
subscribers.
I'm impressed:-))
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I have written a 'tmem' program, similiar to tload, and would like to
see if there is interest in including it in procps. So.. since Helmut
Geyer seems to have dissappeared (anyone know if he is ok?:-(, I'm
curious who I ought to be sending this to...
Thanks,
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