tags 958666 + pending
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Holger Levsen wrote:
> definitly, yes, filing this bug now.
As mentioned elsewhere, this was already fixed yesterday in fd8ee67d.
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This RFP was prompted by the following wishlist request against
diffoscope:
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a general heads-up
for you and a way of "keyword stuffing" various terms the above
paragraphs into search indexes for the benefit of others looking for
perhaps-obscure issue like this in the future. It is also an implicit
thanks for pushing security hardening features. :)
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firewall options around when I needed to pick something in haste
around the time of the stretch release…) was actually the deciding
factor for me:
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s around the internet. (Perhaps due to it's Ubuntu/Canonical
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alternative terms instead.
[0] Or, if you may excuse an RFC2119 pun, "MUST"...
[1] Feel free to dilute to taste with similar terms.
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an optional and orthogonal boolean of some description that turns
warnings into errors, rather than a proposal to cease execution of
tests by default.
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kind of toggle rather than an environment variable?
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Hi Boyuan,
> I don't have much experience of dealing with debugging symbols so any hints
> would be appreciated.
I would also be interested in this from my "Lintian hat" of:
https://bugs.debian.org/931632#35
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Most notably from a Debian point of view would be:
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r more use-cases, require less
DSA attention ,and even allow non-DD/DMs to utilise the service too.
(I would concede that this would essentially require adopting a salsa
and Git-based packaging scheme, however.)
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> And I'd also prefer to avoid pushing my way in a back alley, thus I'm asking
> for ideas and consensus before filing bugs.
It is a slip on your part to represent my practical suggestions for
achieving our mutual aims in any way as an attempt on my part to
suppress what you
r lists make pains to
avoid all possibility of being accused of the aforementioned sins.
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Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> […] in my lintian fork […]
I got around to releasing Lintian 2.13.0 to unstable earlier today including
your suggested changes (so hopefully you can drop your fork for the time
being).
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can immediately think of at least five folks.
And that's not counting myself.
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diffoscope:
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is bug instead of using the X-Debbugs-CC mechanism.
See:
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
… specifically the "Sending copies of bug reports to other addresses"
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ly, be suitable.)
> Maybe we don't need a huge amount of test data, i.e. not the
> full set that is used by upstream. A small subset might be
> sufficient for at least some packages. In my case, it's only
> 3.3 MiB.
Noted, but it is not the size that is the concern, b
a during autopkgtests?)
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> > Any idea what to do (except overriding one of the lintian
> > warnings)?
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918621
Merged & uploaded to unstable in lintian 2.5.120; thanks.
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sentences on different topics. ("X conference? Thought about Y
conference instead?")
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NEW.
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d.
(As an aside, some tags cannnot be overridden but that's not quite
on-topic here…)
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timestamps.
It would, of course, also take a while to "get around" our somewhat
expansive archive...
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Vittie has actually patched our testing framework to vary
this and this is now live.
https://bugs.debian.org/901473#33
(There is some further discussion on this bug.)
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Ian Jackson wrote:
> Daniel Pimentel writes ("Iptables on Sid"):
>
> > I'd like to report a posible bug:
[..]
> Please see this page about how to report a bug:
Actually, I believe this to be already filed as:
https://bugs.debian.org/914074
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> [replying directly]
Or not! Enjoy our sub-conversation, -devel. :)
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Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> […] for some reason always involving some German DD, even worse if
> there are multiple ones […]
https://i.imgur.com/PoWwX7m.png
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to join, or have any quick questions, please
email ftpmas...@debian.org.
[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/08/msg00408.html
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg3.html
[2] https://time.is/compare/2000_12_Oct_2018_in_UTC
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in last mile of distributed computing to connect
devices, mobile applications and browsers to backend services.
This package contains the libraries for Python 3.
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devices, mobile applications and browsers to backend services.
This package installs the Protobuf code generator for Python 3.
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act & unnecessarily antagonise
readers and should probably be considered an illegal move in civilised
or otherwise productive conversation.
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RC bug for src:redisearch as #906920. As I understnd it, the
Redis server itself will remain BSD.
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to share? That might help focus or
motivate deeper discussion to some degree.
> The discussion can and should of course continue, especially as it is
> vacation time atm.
Combined with post-Debconf tiredness/blues…
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iously a place where a lot of things can get done but
naturally it cannot be the only venue for Project-wide consensus
building. :)
Now, I'm sure this would happen anyway, but just to reassure.
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dy the
> people how anyway take good care about their packages but not those
> that simply lost interest.
>
> Q: Wouldn't be the ctte another possibilty?
> A: The ctte is another possiblity, but as this process is not
> lightweight at all, I think it isnot suitable to solve this problem, due
> to scalability and because the ctte process is designed to be a
> last-resort possiblity. Many people also do not have the time and energy
> to deal with a tech ctte bug.
>
> Q: How long will this process take?
> A: In total 28 days. After the salvaging bug is filed, the reporter has
> to wait 21 days for a reply, and the package must sit for 7 days in
> the DELAYED queue.
>
> Q: I like the proposal. How to implement it?
> A: Help discussing it. Help implementing it. Come to the BoF.
>
> [g] https://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdAdoption
>
> Thanks for reading all the text,
>
> --
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> with lots of kudos to bremner, spwhitton and lamby for their valuable
> input and co-editing.
> Email had 1 attachment:
> + signature.asc
> 1k (application/pgp-signature)
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Hi Holger,
> please *dont* sponsor this until Dashamir has addressed the concerns
> pointed out in
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/aa2d4d3d-41d2-5399-225b-f492be2d2...@t-online.de
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and communities at once.
They, frankly, should probably be just ignored or be (loosely)
categorised as spam. I get at least three or four a week these days..
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Hi Alexander,
> Will you try to use PGO for your packages
Note that (naive) implementations of PGO can have ramifications for
reproducible builds [0].
[0] https://reproducible-builds.org/
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Programming Lang: Shell
Description : Encrypt root volumes with an OpenPGP smartcard
This package adds support for encrypted root volumes installing a LUKS
"password" that is unlocked by an OpenPGP smartcard.
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l never see the discussion, followups and resolution to this
issue ... which I subsequently cannot link here on debian-devel.
But, hey, I've been told my "use the bugtracker" threshold is set lower
than most... :)
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ges built
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Chris Lamb wrote:
> Given that we forgot to mention this issue at least once, I would like
> to create a bug in the BTS for it.
>
> This would have the advantages of being a good place to store the
> latest status as well as being a convenient way to link others to it.
I went
buildd.debian.org? I'm easy...)
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dpkg_version = built_using.get('dpkg-dev', '0~missing')
if version_compare(dpkg_version, '1.18.17') == -1:
print("{} needs rebuild (built using dpkg-dev {})".format(
src,
Chris Lamb wrote:
> > So I wonder if we couldn't do something similar in Debian: a
> > low-hanging-fruit usertag (of course, another name is fine to me...)
>
> Good idea. How about the pre-existing "newcomer" tag:
>
> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Deve
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ation that can "detect" binNMUs (ie. SELECT *
FROM packages WHERE version != source_version) there is no timestamp
on this.
We have the "upload_history" relation but that will only give us an
upper limit (roughly 50% of the archive).
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t you mean by "in my e-mail". As I understand it, you
were proposing a text for some automated emails to be sent out. I am
requesting some kind of parsable email headers for these automated
messages. :)
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Thanks again for working on this. :)
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Chris Lamb wrote:
> I can hack together quick things like:
I just noticed that UDD has lintian results, so you can just write
this as:
(Spoilers: I'm not a SQL programmer)
SELECT source, CASE (SELECT COUNT(*) FROM lintian
WHERE package = source AND package_type = 'sourc
start trading clichés such as "the
perfect is the enemy of the good" etc. etc.
> https://ci.debian.net/status/
(I note that these are statistics about packages that actually have
tests.)
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larity-contest procps python-defaults
readline sed shadow slang2 sqlite3 sysvinit tar tcp-wrappers
tzdata ucf wget zlib
ie. 75 out of "top" 100 packages according to popcon are missing
autopkgtests.
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Neat. http://travis.debian.net/ uses Docker for its builds - would
I be able to move it to this?
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uld be taken to #894332.
Not only would this prevent the conversation being fragmented
between the three locations, it would also appear to assist in the
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premature and unnecessarily antagonistic.
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ad.
It does, no? The current text is:
Info: This package appears to be the initial packaging of a new upstream
software package (ie. it contains a single changelog entry).
:)
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errides was why I believe Holger is accidentally
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e or the phrase "Python 2 version" or similar.
This is not asking anyone to remove anything from the archive,
merely to double-check whether the addition of new Python 2.x
packages is required.
(If they are, so be it; add the rationale to the changelog and
upload away.)
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packages being added to the archive (due to habit if anything
else!) unless they were needed or requested, of course.
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contributions.
And lastly, this is before we consider the aesthetic implications
on the source package namespace. (ie. it's ugly as hell.)
Please re-consider? :)
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t;junk" energy you feel
in the moment of dashing out a publical riposte has long-reaching
negative effects both on yourself and others that I am certain you
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when your emails are regularly
bouncing (which they have been doing so for the past few days)
when combined with you not maintaining a persistent connection to
IRC so I cannot respond to your subsequent "drive-by" queries there
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Ian Jackson wrote:
> > However, after pointing this out to Chris Lamb and re-
> > uploading the package another time he checked and accepted it in less
> > then 24 hours (big thanks again).
>
> It strikes me that if there were comments in the ftpmaster database
> sug
ceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Summary
Mike also did a talk at DebConf:
https://debconf17.debconf.org/talks/168/
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> I wish Debian had some form of informal conflict resolution besides
> the Tech Committee.
As DPL, I am always available to make an attempt at such resolutions.
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can be to each other, of course…
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Hi Andreas,
> a single example in this thread that a developer was happy about the
> check since a mistake was avoided. But this would have happened by a
> random user via BTS as well.
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transferable as you imply.
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