On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 11:58:56AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bart Martens writes:
>
> > That file may be available online for this particular software. The
> > debate is about whether such configure.ac file must be included in the
> > distributed package for making th
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:07:30PM +0100, Alexander Sulfrian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 01:14:40PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > I would consider asking upstream about this for sure but the code is in
> > maintenance mode and there is no Git repository to step back in history.
> >
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 01:56:14PM +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
wrote:
> Hi Roland,
>
> Quoting Roland Clobus (2022-09-18 10:58:37)
> > I'm looking for 'the' timestamp of the Debian Archive, which will allow me
> > to
> > virtually travel through time to re-generate a specific state o
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:26:29PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Bart,
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 07:38:17AM +0100, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:43:27PM +0100, Yadd wrote:
> > > Le 26/03/2021 à 22:38, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> > > > An
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Le jeudi, 4 décembre 2014, 07.46:25 Bart Martens a écrit :
> > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:42:54AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > > Le mercredi, 3 décembre 2014, 10.20:32 W. Martin
on: Yes, it is OK to use experimental
for new upstream releases during the freeze, as mentioned in the freeze policy.
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er spent on developing tools to extract the copyright and
license information from the upstream sources, in my opinion. If we develop a
really smart tool, then most debian/copyright can be fully generated
automatically in a format designed to be well readable by humans.
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On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:16:28AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 05:04 +0000, Bart Martens a écrit :
> > Michael Biebl wrote :
> > > The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include
> > > the the epoch in the B
's behavior too easily, because that could
instantly break those tools if those tools don't use dpkg itself for version
comparisons.
Peter Green wrote :
> Not to mention that just because the debian archive only cares about version
> numbers within the last few releases does not mean o
sed concerns.
Anyhow thanks for your excellent work on the bts. The bts is really important
to Debian, so your contributions are making a big difference for Debian.
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Since you ask, I suggest to disable it now and enable it later only after
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:46:52PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 05:54:28PM +0000, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 09:29:07AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > > Actually, all of those cases are equivalent, and in all of those cases the
>
that the copyright of any patch
submitted without any explicit copyright and license statement is transferred
(given) to the copyright holders of the upstream software.
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 08:43:27AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 06:50:57AM +0000, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > For the packages I maintain, I now refrain from doing so when the
> > > contents of
> > > the debian directory are trivial.
> &
anyone. Nick Andrik's question is about which license can be used for
the debian/* files for this non-free package, since he got feedback that the
GPL would not be compatible with the non-free license of this upstream
software. I guess that http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license could be used
he future release is active.
It's nitpicking depending on how serious one takes the DFSG. Bug reports are
free to be active whenever they want. Let's not discourage bug reporters by
calling them nitpickers and by giving the impression that the bug reports would
be less welcome dur
mitting RC bugs just to get wheezy released sooner,
then we would be hiding problems, and we agreed on not doing that in the Social
Contract. Let's not discourage submitting new RC bugs but encourage everyone
to get RC bugs fixed to get wheezy released.
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we want it out but
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 01:58:28PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Bart Martens wrote:
> >> wine: http://bugs.debian.org/585409 (new upstream pushed via nmu)
> >
> > This is a good example where talking helped to gather all views on all
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 07:10:06PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 06:41:24PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> >> Maybe an example will help get us on the same page. Russ seems to
> >>
of an issue themselves and that they are given the
chance
| to review and correct your patch, because they can be expected to be more
aware
| of potential issues which an NMUer might miss. It is often a better use of
| everyone's time if the maintainer is given an opportunity to uplo
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 07:16:56PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> >> How to solve the following problem: Assume a package with wishlist bugs
> &g
s is "a rather common case" ?
Sometimes there are good reasons to not package a newer upstream release, see
for example bugs 672568 and 687690. Sometimes the maintainer is simply gone,
see for example bug 671890.
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r packages which seem abandoned
by the maintainer, and to submit ITA-bugs for packages he/she wishes to
salvage. Sounds revolutionary, but in reality this is more or less already
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some obvious cases it will lead to a pointless delay.
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Allbery and Nikolaus Rath wrote above. When a
package is clearly not maintained, then it should be orphaned, so that a new
contributor can become full package maintainer without any restrictions on the
allowed changes.
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 01:58:55PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> Le 26/10/2012 08:46, Bart Martens a écrit :
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:45:21PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >> Gergely Nagy wrote: AIUI, with the current
> >> proposal, as long as three DDs think
it puts an end to it,
> which the current proposal doesn't.)
I would not object against including this in the text.
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 09:59:16AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> Bart Martens writes:
>
> >> > I think that sufficient DDs will review the ITOs. Note that most work is
> >> > already done by the ITO submitter. Sponsoring a package at mentors
> >> > (
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 04:12:03PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 10/26/2012 01:09 PM, Bart Martens wrote:
> >I expect the cc to debian-qa to draw sufficient DD's attention.
> >And the ACKs are about agreeing on marking a package as orphaned.
> >That's the easy pa
the non-DD can adopt the
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NMUs to be more liberal, then please write a proposal for modifying the NMU
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> >to
> >filing an ITO.
>
> AIUI, with the current proposal, as long as three DDs think it should be
> orphaned, the maintainer's objection is irrelevant.
I would send a "NACK because the maintainer objects", and I trust other DDs
subscribed to debian-qa to do the
ntion which I am
> prepared to commit to providing". It's quite another to say "this
> package is in need of attention but I'm not going to do anything other
> than say it's a problem".
It is, in my opinion, also useful to identify problems even without solving th
a developer who notices the problem;
> - a prospective maintainer.
I fully agree with all the above with "s/developer/person/".
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For how long ? The proposal includes collecting ACKs so that any pointless
delay can be skipped, resulting in the package being salvaged sooner.
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a consensus in a shorter time, so that for obvious cases the salvaging can
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> receive enough ACKs, but nobody NACKed, you can still proceed.
I join Steve L. with wanting a consensus, so the package can be orphaned only
when there are sufficient ACKs. I expect the cc to debian-qa to draw
sufficient attention from DDs, so I don't expect any problem with th
e "two activities" as explained here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00261.html
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oser to a consensus on
the proposal.
The proposal is about an "intent to orphan", which is in obvious cases easy to
find a consensus on. The real salvaging (the hard work) happens via the
existing ITA procedure.
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> Bart Martens writes:
> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 01:58:16PM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> >> Steve Langasek writes:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:40:39PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wr
o more work.
I expect the cc to debian-qa to draw sufficient DD's attention. And the ACKs
are about agreeing on marking a package as orphaned. That's the easy part.
The salvaging part goes via the existing ITA procedure. That's the hard part.
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ntainance longer, decreasing the distributions overall
> quality.
It's not so complicated to find three DDs to agree with the ITO.
>
> As said elsewhere in the thread, the process needs to be easy and
> efficient. Hunting ACKs is neither easy, nor efficient.
The proposed text is
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 02:59:09PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 10/24/2012 11:55 AM, Bart Martens wrote:
> >On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 01:40:16PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >>>I fear a bit the situation "nobody care enough to comment", being
> >>>
's then incumbent on the person looking
> to orphan the package to rattle the cage and get developers to pay
> attention.
I agree with Steve on this.
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package. After all, We should prioritize the
> distribution's quality higher than the ownership of packages.
I'm with Lucas on this.
>
> -
>
> [1] Original thread on salvaging packages on -devel@
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/09/m
ntal overlap.
>
> With that done, I do not see the point of waiting an extra month.
I don't know where to look for such signal for non-DDs. I think that we should
still allow one month delay in less obvious cases.
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> On 11/10/12 at 05:50 +0000, Bart Martens wrote:
> > And the maintainer does not respond within one month after the the third
> > second.
>
> I'm not sure about this delay. This procedure should be used f
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:27:03AM +0200, Arno Töll wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11.10.2012 07:50, Bart Martens wrote:
> >> - the submitter of the "intent to orphan" bug must Cc
> >> debian...@lists.debian.org, and file the bug with severity:serious (this
> &
animous consensus, and taking it to the TC in other
cases. (I wrote something similar in my previous message.)
> I don't think we should introduce
> voting on the quality of other DD's package maintenance.
Actually I don't see any problem with peer reviews. As long as the quality of
proposer does not manage to attract support or even positive comments,
> then
>it either signals unwritten problems, or it asks the question whether the
> package
>should really stay in Debian.
I'm OK with adding an expiration date or a maximum duration. What maximum
durati
case of backfire, people following the procedure would have the
> backing of a recommended procedure described in a semi-official document.
I agree that the procedure should at least be included in developers-reference.
I have no strong opinion on whether a GR would be needed.
>
> So, an
judge between an unwanted hijack and a
welcome salvage.
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creation of a review community for
> these kind of actions on -qa. Mumble mumble...
Posting them on -qa sounds like a good idea to me. Can you elaborate on that
"side-effect" ? I don't understand that part.
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After the package is orphaned, the rest of the "salvaging" fits in the existing
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 02:35:40PM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
> On 2012-09-16 18:36, Bart Martens wrote:
> >> I'm offering help, but only for part of the work : I could write a perl
> >> script
> >> that periodically scans the logfiles and submits additional
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 01:57:04PM +, Bart Martens wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 03:12:09PM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
> > I'm afraid I don't have the time right now to thoroughly analyze these
> > logs and report all the bugs, so some help would be welcome.
&g
> during a test with piuparts I noticed your package misses the copyright
> file after an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, which is a violation of
> Policy 12.5:
> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightfile
>
> After the upgrade /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/
k :
http://www.debian.org/support
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> is there a problem?
Anyone can report a bug without signature.
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01:08AM +0200, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Bart Martens wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I intend to orphan zynaddsubfx. Before doing that I invite two additional
> > DD's
> > to conf
is
prod for 997d
2009-11-08: ok for 6m; left only only zynaddsubfx
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tainer.
Anyone can submit this "intent to orphan". At least three DD's second the
"intent to orphan" on the same bug report with a cc to the maintainer. And
the
maintainer does not respond within one month after the the third second.
Comments ?
Reg
point I don't see enough reasons to limit or end the ability of any DD
to upload any package.
Other than all the above, I have read interesting ideas on objective criteria
in Steve McIntyre's report. Basically my point of this e-mail is that I
welcome a debate on changi
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 08:50:20PM -0400, John L. Males wrote:
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>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
I replied to John in detail via a private e-mail. Summary : I suggested John
to report every problem via bug reports.
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ression is that
consensus is growing towards what Guus wrote. But this impression may be
colored by the fact that I happen to agree with what Guus wrote.
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epen wrote is quite reasonable and good for Debian.
An ITP is, in my opinion, just an "intent to package", and thereby only an
intent to take responsibility on the maintenance of the mentioned package.
Anyone can do the effort to find good reasons to object against the ITP, and
that is O
t; package we already have.
Anyone can do the analysis of comparing alternatives already in Debian.
> Triaging bugs requires that the bugs are
> tested for validity before spending more time on the fix. No point
> putting the wrong fix into the archive.
True.
>
> However, I
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:18:00PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:48:43 +
> Bart Martens wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:21:39PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Le dimanche 24 juin 2012 à 20:42 +0200, Arno Töll a écrit :
>
l maintained and all
used, then 43 is acceptable, in my opinion.
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On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 08:48:48PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:45:54 +
> Bart Martens wrote:
>
> > About allowing new packages in Debian in general : On the one hand you have
> > a
> > point that Debian should not collect any free
t it is OK to have multiple implementations of the same/similar
functionality in Debian, and over time the popcon stats may indicate that a
newer package wins over an older package. It is, in my opinion, not always
possible to judge the potential of a package before it has been in De
ot sure but I don't think that the MIA team would orphan italc, because
Patrick Winnertz is not MIA.
It would be nice to get some feedback from Patrick Winnertz about this.
First priority is to fix the FTBFS bug 671489. If you intend to update italc
to the newest upstream release, then plea
's an upload on 16 November 2011:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lustre/news/2016T130707Z.html
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to mark something as "I will not fix" if actually
> there's nothing to fix.
+1
> I'm curious to know how other maintainers have
> addressed such cases in BTS.
A workarond is using the tag "wontfix" combined with retitling the bug to
something general like "
r for
machines to read debian/copyright and more on machines generating a
human-readable debian/copyright. The program "licensecheck" in package
"devscripts" is a good start to find licenses.
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n update package foo-1.2.3-4 to
foo-1.2.3+debian-1 or something similar.
>
> Advice welcome.
My advice is that you use the packaging style conforming to
debian-policy that you feel most comfortable with.
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> Bart Martens wrote:
> > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll no longer be maintaining the following packages. I plan to orphan
> > > them next week and hope to find new maintainers fo
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll no longer be maintaining the following packages. I plan to orphan
> them next week and hope to find new maintainers for them before then.
>
> aalib
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more listened on BTS.
>
If you have fixes for existing bugs in the bts, then please post the
fixes to the bts.
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extensions [2] that aren't compatible with that
> > version of Chicken anymore.
>
> Hi Ivan,
>
> I'm not MIA (I still read -devel and I follow the project life), but
> you're right, I'm not really active in the packages field.
>
> I'm planning
hing else like this
> that comes up later, if we have anything).
Great, I'll use that -q option.
>
> Does that sound consistent with the sentiments on the thread to everyone?
No objection from me. Thanks for asking debian-devel for opinions.
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> feature one way or the other. Here are the options:
>
> * Show the N: line with a count of overrides per package by default and
> provide an option to suppress this output if someone wants.
>
> * Don't show the N: line by default and provide an option to turn
ers:" per package maintained by
the team. It more accurately reflects who's caring about the packages.
Other opinions?
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- with a newer version at Mentors than in Debian unstable,
- with an ITP or ITA.
So this list does not include packages with RFS messages on
debian-mentors.
Regards,
Bart Martens
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agree with giving cvs commit access to the webwml files to all DD's,
or, to encourage all DD's to request that access.
Regards,
Bart Martens
> I would also like the project to move away from CVS and
> use something more friendly that can effectively enable bigger changes
&g
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 13:31 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > > On Saturday 26 May 2007 23:07, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> > > > and the debian-www team is recovering from th
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 19:47 +0200, Amir Tabatabaei wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 08:01 +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > Should be better now. If you still see false positives, then I'm very
> > interested.
>
> There is no gaim in unstable any more, but
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 18:07 +1000, Paul Wise wrote:
> On 5/10/07, Bart Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Should be better now.
> > http://people.debian.org/~bartm/borg/outdated.html
>
> Excellent. For even more usefulness points, this could be integrat
tly repored.
[0] http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/picard.html
[1] http://people.debian.org/~bartm/borg/outdated.html
[2] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
Regards,
Bart Martens
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On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 08:14 +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 23:16 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> > [Bart Martens]
> > > I've thought about adding an column for the versions in experimental,
> > > but that is not a high priority to me because
On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 12:16 +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 11:57 +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 11:49 +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > > * Bart Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-01 11:21]:
> > > > Another app
iced that there's a typo in your "fingerprint" mentioned in your
e-mail signature. It should be 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0, right?
You might want to fix that,
Bart Martens
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On Sat, 2007-05-05 at 10:40 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Michael Hanke]
> > I wonder whether it is possible to get information about which
> > package is installed/used on a particular architecture.
>
> It is possible, but it isn't done at the moment. We do not store the
> data needed to
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 23:16 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Bart Martens]
> > I've thought about adding an column for the versions in experimental,
> > but that is not a high priority to me because this does not change
> > that Debian Unstable is outdated for the li
On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 20:36 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> Hello!
>
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 14:02:16 +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > I have updated the list to hide packages with identical upstream
> > version numbers but with different epochs. This might hide some
> > rea
On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 21:28 +0200, "Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)" wrote:
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> Bart Martens a écrit :
> > Hi Package Maintainers (DD's and non-DD's),
> >
> > Now that Etch is released to stable, many
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