Bug#809705: general: let people use non-free software but opt-out of non-open software

2016-01-05 Thread Philippe Cerfon
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >Another one that is worth mentioning here --- which I discussed in > the > context of non-free.org with Dafydd Harries and others --- is > introducing a debtags facet to capture the reason why a package is in > non-free. I'd still say that solving that via debtags isn't

Bug#810061: ITP: python-django-environ -- utilize 12factor inspired environment variables for Django

2016-01-05 Thread Brian May
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Brian May * Package name: python-django-environ Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : joke2k * URL : https://github.com/joke2k/django-environ/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: Python2 and Python3 Description : Simplifi

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Christian Seiler
On 01/06/2016 02:55 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: > Nikolaus Rath writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): >> On Jan 05 2016, Ian Jackson wrote: >>> People who have been using a configuration for many years naturally >>> become upset when they are told that it has been `unsupported' for all >>>

Re: vlan support en* or br*?

2016-01-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2016-01-06 at 12:46 +0900, Seyeong Kim wrote: > I checked vlan source http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/vlan.git/ > > debian/network/if-pre-up.d/vlan, if-post-up.d/vlan … > > and not support en* or br* which are quite common nowadays. > > need to file a bug or just customize an

vlan support en* or br*?

2016-01-05 Thread Seyeong Kim
I checked vlan source http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/vlan.git/ debian/network/if-pre-up.d/vlan, if-post-up.d/vlan … and not support en* or br* which are quite common nowadays. need to file a bug or just customize and use it myself? Thanks.

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:42 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > The check doesn't seem to be complete, it's not complaining about PAM > modules needing libcurl or libkrb5 for instance. Could you file a bug? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:27 AM, Sune Vuorela wrote: > Does it also catch when for example a udev configuration file wants to > run an executable living under /usr ? Doesn't look like it, could you file a bug? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Christian Seiler
On 01/06/2016 12:54 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > For example, policykit-1 FTBFSes on non-systemd architectures > (#798769) I'd also like to note that while you provided a patch, you didn't really provide much context for this - and left a lot of work to the maintainers when it comes to integrating t

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Nikolaus Rath writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): > On Jan 05 2016, Ian Jackson wrote: > > People who have been using a configuration for many years naturally > > become upset when they are told that it has been `unsupported' for all > > of this time > > Well, yes, but this is just

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Christian Seiler
On 01/06/2016 12:54 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 08:10:00PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: >> On 05.01.2016 19:37, Marco d'Itri wrote: >> >>> There is a significant difference between concepts like: >>> - something works for me >>> - something works >> >>> and: >>> - I want somet

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Rene Engelhard, on Tue 05 Jan 2016 22:15:31 +0100, wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:58:03PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:50:58PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Rene Engelhard, on Tue 05 Jan 2016 21:43:33 +0100, wrote: > > > > So that it will immediately fail w

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 08:10:00PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: > On 05.01.2016 19:37, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > There is a significant difference between concepts like: > > - something works for me > > - something works > > > and: > > - I want something to be supported > > - the people actually w

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2016-01-04 11:30, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:30:24 +0100, Eric Valette wrote: System admins do like using absolute path for security reasons... Please also notice that this is the only option for ExecStart in systemd units. Well played, Lennart. Similarly skeleton-based init

Bug#810045: ITP: spinecreator -- A GUI for the creation and analysis of neural models using the SpineML format

2016-01-05 Thread Sebastian James
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian James * Package name: spinecreator Version : 0.9.5 Upstream Author : Alex Cope * URL : https://github.com/SpineML/SpineCreator * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : A GUI for the creation

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jan 05 2016, Ian Jackson wrote: > Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): >> On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: >> > or which do mount /usr using / rather than initramfs, or some such. >> >> And this has already not been supported for many years, even if it works >> in some

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Craig Small
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 03:55:51PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > AFAICT the original posting in this thread is from someone who is > trying to make it easier and more automatic to try to produce Debian > installations which do not have a /usr vs / distinction. I think a lot of heat in this thread is

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:58:03PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:50:58PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Rene Engelhard, on Tue 05 Jan 2016 21:43:33 +0100, wrote: > > > So that it will immediately fail when something eventually picks > > > up the experimental packages

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:50:58PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Rene Engelhard, on Tue 05 Jan 2016 21:43:33 +0100, wrote: > > So that it will immediately fail when something eventually picks > > up the experimental packages (as experimental buildds right now do in some > > situations)? > > ? No

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Rene Engelhard, on Tue 05 Jan 2016 21:43:33 +0100, wrote: > So that it will immediately fail when something eventually picks > up the experimental packages (as experimental buildds right now do in some > situations)? ? No, experimental buildds only pick from experimental what is not available from

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 08:04:53PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Tobias Frost wrote: > > For those want to test against libpng1.6:  > > Note that the libpn16 package in experimental does NOT Provide libpng- > > dev at the moment. As I've hacked something together for my rebuild, > > you can grab

tiny-initrd (was: Re: support for merged /usr in Debian)

2016-01-05 Thread Christian Seiler
On 01/03/2016 09:35 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: > Well, just for the heck of it I wrote a braindead-simple initrd > implementation in just 300 LOC: > > https://gist.github.com/chris-se/e0fbc073fcbd9ac2d7ae > > [...] > > This is just a proof of concept, [...] Well, in case anyone's interested:

Bug#810033: ITP: nvme-cli -- NVMe management command line interface

2016-01-05 Thread Breno Leitao
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Breno Leitao * Package name: nvme-cli Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Stephen Bates * URL : https://github.com/linux-nvme/nvme-cli * License : GPL version 2 Programming Lang: C Description : NVMe management comma

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 05.01.2016 19:37, Marco d'Itri wrote: > There is a significant difference between concepts like: > - something works for me > - something works > and: > - I want something to be supported > - the people actually working on something want to support it What is the recourse for people who

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson > This thread contains a fair few assertions that certain configurations > are `broken' or `unsupported'; but these assertions sit alongside > reports from actual users that these configurations do work for them, > and expressions of the wish that they should continue to do so. A l

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Tobias Frost wrote: > For those want to test against libpng1.6:  > Note that the libpn16 package in experimental does NOT Provide libpng- > dev at the moment. As I've hacked something together for my rebuild, > you can grab the dsc here:  > https://libpng.sviech.de/libpng_package_used/libpng1.6_1.

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Paul Wise > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > And yet, it works, and it means that we don't have to try to harass a > > thousand package maintainers into doing essentially untestable busy-work > > to try to move things around between /usr, /bin, and /lib to support a >

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > People who have been using a configuration for many years naturally > become upset when they are told that it has been `unsupported' for all > of this time and that, implicitly, changes are going to be made which > will break it. I think that your summary is correc

Bug#810026: ITP: spineml-preflight -- Simulator independent initial processing for SpineML models

2016-01-05 Thread Sebastian James
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian James * Package name: spineml-preflight Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Seb James * URL : https://github.com/SpineML/SpineML_PreFlight * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : Simulator ind

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2016-01-05, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > >> And yet, it works, and it means that we don't have to try to harass a >> thousand package maintainers into doing essentially untestable busy-work >> to try to move things around between /usr, /bin, and /lib

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): > On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > > or which do mount /usr using / rather than initramfs, or some such. > > And this has already not been supported for many years, even if it works > in some cases, so it does not matter because it is

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Depending on the operation involved, we consider this to be a bug: > > https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot > > Well, perhaps. My point is that currently there are real > configurations that work well with ro /usr but require rw /. > > Abolishing the distincti

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): > On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > > /etc contains files which are modified during normal operation. > > Depending on the operation involved, we consider this to be a bug: > https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot Well, perhaps. My poin

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > The reason we are having trouble having both in the same project is > because some of the people who are trying to do what you describe as > "excellent supports for PCs" think that that is the only interesting > objective. I am not sure about who you are referring

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > /etc contains files which are modified during normal operation. Depending on the operation involved, we consider this to be a bug: https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:49:25 + Ian Jackson wrote: > Simon Richter writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): > > However, we do have a huge installation base outside of that. In > > most of my embedded systems projects, Debian has been the starting > > point for the customized installat

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Paul Wise , 2016-01-05, 17:49: And yet, it works, and it means that we don't have to try to harass a thousand package maintainers into doing essentially untestable busy-work to try to move things around between /usr, /bin, and /lib to support a tiny handful of systems for which other approach

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon Richter writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): > However, we do have a huge installation base outside of that. In most of > my embedded systems projects, Debian has been the starting point for the > customized installation, simply because before jessie, you could simply > call "deb

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: support for merged /usr in Debian"): > On Jan 02, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > No, /etc can be nicely ro. That is, /, /usr, /etc, ... can be. The log > > storage and the user homes, as well as a tmp filesystem rw, rest ro. > > Works nicely, I have 4 of such systems running. >

Bug#809996: ITP: python-dcos -- Datacenter Operating System (DCOS) CLI

2016-01-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-dcos Version : 0.2.0 Upstream Author : Mesosphere, Inc. * URL : https://github.com/mesosphere/dcos-cli * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Python Description : Datacente

Bug#809994: ITP: sen -- Terminal user interface for docker engine

2016-01-05 Thread 陳昌倬
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬)" * Package name: sen Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : Tomas Tomecek * URL : https://github.com/TomasTomecek/sen * License : Expat Programming Lang: Python Description : Terminal user interfa

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > And yet, it works, and it means that we don't have to try to harass a > thousand package maintainers into doing essentially untestable busy-work > to try to move things around between /usr, /bin, and /lib to support a > tiny handful of systems

Bug#809993: ITP: ctop -- Command line / text based Linux Containers monitoring tool

2016-01-05 Thread 陳昌倬
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬)" * Package name: ctop Version : 0.4.1 Upstream Author : Jean-Tiare Le Bigot * URL : https://github.com/yadutaf/ctop * License : Expat Programming Lang: Python Description : Command line / tex

Bug#809705: general: let people use non-free software but opt-out of non-open software

2016-01-05 Thread Brian May
Johannes Schauer writes: > I am talking about adding the metadata about which license code is released > under and/or which DFSG freedoms it violates as proposed by Stefano in a > machine readable way: either debtags or DEP-5 and make either or both of them > understood by apt pinning so that I c

Re: Bug#809705: general: let people use non-free software but opt-out of non-open software

2016-01-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > That sounds possible to add. In the meantime, you could generate a > preferences file for apt based on debtags. Not pretty, but once the > data's there, it should be entirely doable. Indeed, I'm doing something similar for installing secu

Re: MBF Announcement: Transition libpng12 -> libpng16

2016-01-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: > https://lintian.debian.org/tags/embedded-library.html and > https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/secure-testing/data/embedded-code-copies?view=co > might be useful, although the latter seems to be outdated (it says > libtk-img embeds libpng, whi

Re: Bug#809705: general: let people use non-free software but opt-out of non-open software

2016-01-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Johannes Schauer > while I would welcome this sort of information being captured using debtags, > this would not help me if I wanted to tell apt which packages are okay for me > and which ones are not because apt cannot set pin priorities according to a > package's debtags, right? That sounds