Re: debian installer, install listofpackages.txt in CD root dir after end install?

You can do this using a preseed file: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/apb.html.en in particular: d-i pkgsel/include string htop vim tree zsh Cheers, Fabrice 2014-11-14 0:19 GMT+01:00 Michael Ole Olsen : > It would be very cool if the debian installer had a listofpackages.txt > > a

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

> "Cameron" == Cameron Norman writes: >>> OK, so the system has syslog-ng installed. For what ever reason >>> syslog-ng >>> is not starting automatically, but starts manually by systemctl. >> >>> syslog-ng version 3.5.6-2 >>> systemd version 215-5+b1 >> >> M

Bug#769499: syslog-ng-core fails to enable systemd service unit

package: syslog-ng-core severity: important version:3.3.5-4 justification: does not enable systemd unit. syslog-ng-core's postinst does not enable its syslog unit. I'm guessing that including systemd in the dh sequence is not quite doing enough to actually turn it on. Unfortunately dh-systemd i

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:19:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Patrick Ouellette writes: > > > Since /var/log/syslog is empty, clearly there was an issue when my > > system upgraded. I'll have to look into this to see what is going on. > > > (Kind of illustrates my point about another point of

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

> "Patrick" == Patrick Ouellette writes: I think this is a bug. On my system things get logged both to the journal and to /var/log/syslog. My understanding talking to systemd folks is that the behavior I'm seeing is intended and that unless you went out of your way to configure something di

Re: systemd / syslog issue (was Re: Being part of a community and behaving)

Patrick Ouellette writes: > ● syslog-ng.service - System Logger Daemon >Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/syslog-ng.service; disabled) >Active: active (running) since Thu 2014-11-13 21:36:20 EST; 18min ago > Docs: man:syslog-ng(8) > Main PID: 13370 (syslog-ng) >CGroup: /system

systemd / syslog issue (was Re: Being part of a community and behaving)

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:53:09PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Maybe some failure to sync status correctly? syslog-ng does ship with a > service file. What does: > > systemctl status syslog-ng > > say? Particularly the Loaded and Active fields should have some hint as > to what's going

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On 13/11/14 23:16, Brian May wrote: > On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez > wrote: > >> The last one that I read is that udev is going to stop working on >> non-systemd systems: >> >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html >> >> > I don't read a

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

El jue, 13 de nov 2014 a las 6:57 , Cameron Norman escribió: El jue, 13 de nov 2014 a las 6:53 , Russ Allbery escribió: Patrick Ouellette writes: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:19:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Ow. No, that's definitely a bug. I'd love to understand what happened there,

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

El jue, 13 de nov 2014 a las 6:53 , Russ Allbery escribió: Patrick Ouellette writes: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:19:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Ow. No, that's definitely a bug. I'd love to understand what happened there, as that sounds like a pretty serious one. That is not expect

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Patrick Ouellette writes: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:19:32PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Ow. No, that's definitely a bug. I'd love to understand what happened >> there, as that sounds like a pretty serious one. That is not expected >> behavior. > OK, so the system has syslog-ng installed.

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

El jue, 13 de nov 2014 a las 6:15 , Patrick Ouellette escribió: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:07:33PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Patrick Ouellette writes: > I'm saying those things that logged to syslog now log to the journal, so > cat /var/log/syslog doesn't work because the output that use

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Patrick Ouellette writes: > Since /var/log/syslog is empty, clearly there was an issue when my > system upgraded. I'll have to look into this to see what is going on. > (Kind of illustrates my point about another point of failure... No, I > did not plan or do this intentionally) Ow. No, that's

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:07:33PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Patrick Ouellette writes: > > > I'm saying those things that logged to syslog now log to the journal, so > > cat /var/log/syslog doesn't work because the output that used to go > > there is redirected to the binary format journal fil

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Patrick Ouellette writes: > I'm saying those things that logged to syslog now log to the journal, so > cat /var/log/syslog doesn't work because the output that used to go > there is redirected to the binary format journal file. If that's happening on your system, that's a bug. It's definitely n

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Patrick Ouellette wrote: > I'm saying those things that logged to syslog now log to the journal, so > cat /var/log/syslog doesn't work because the output that used to go there is > redirected to the binary format journal file. journald forwards to rsyslog etc, whi

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:05:17AM +, Sam Hartman wrote: > > I'm confused. Are you saying that cat isn't working for you > with systemd on jessie? > I'm honestly asking for information here. > As best I can tell on my system everything that gets logged gets logged > to text log files. > Some

Work-needing packages report for Nov 14, 2014

The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 613 (new: 8) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 140 (new: 1) Total number of packages request

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Patrick Ouellette writes: > By making it the new default, and causing apt-get dist-upgrade to > install systemd (which is what happened to one of my systems) in place > of sysvinit we most certainly are. The point that I'm making is that those are two separate things. Yes, both of those happene

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

> "Patrick" == Patrick Ouellette writes: Patrick> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:06:08PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Patrick> I did not ask for evangelization about how wonderful binary Patrick> logs are, nor for a lesson on how to get the info out of Patrick> systemd with the

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:20:36AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 00:07 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:30:25PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd... > > > any chance i can speed i

arch all node modules should not build-depend nodejs (was Re: Bad weather in testing? on -devel)

Le vendredi 14 novembre 2014 à 07:03 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Jérémy Lal wrote: > > Le jeudi 13 novembre 2014 à 19:23 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Jérémy Lal wrote: > >> > >> > As a workaround, this is the reason why arch:all

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

❦ 13 novembre 2014 23:30 +0100, Svante Signell  : >> Which would suggest that udev might stop supporting the >> userspace-to-userspace netlink-based transport in the future. However, >> unless I am mistaken, I don't think this means it will no longer work >> on non-systemd systems. > >>From an ir

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 00:07 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:30:25PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd... > > any chance i can speed it up? > > This is #767363 aka #754987 aka ~1e38 others. > > For now, y

debian installer, install listofpackages.txt in CD root dir after end install?

It would be very cool if the debian installer had a listofpackages.txt and that listofpackages.txt could be edited by the user then we would be getting customized debian installs some people would edit and tell it to auto install: - zsh - lilo instead of grub - lukssetup (crypt thing) - ext3 ins

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:16 +1100, Brian May wrote: > On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez > wrote: > The last one that I read is that udev is going to stop working > on > non-systemd systems: > > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/sy

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:30:25PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd... > any chance i can speed it up? This is #767363 aka #754987 aka ~1e38 others. For now, you can sed -i 's/allow-hotplug eth0/auto eth0/' /etc/network/interface

Re: Bad weather in testing?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Jérémy Lal wrote: > Le jeudi 13 novembre 2014 à 19:23 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Jérémy Lal wrote: >> >> > As a workaround, this is the reason why arch:all nodejs modules have a >> > build-dependency on nodejs - it prevents them t

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:46 +1100, Brian May wrote: > On 14 November 2014 09:30, Svante Signell > wrote: > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without > systemd... > any chance i can speed it up? > > > Assuming that report is accurate, to me it sounds l

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Whatever the decision will be on debian/master, I think that master > should be at the very least an option. I.e. a debian-only repo? That's what pabs also seems to prefer so it probably makes sense to support/allow both. FWIW, I strongly di

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Please allow debian/master as an alternative. It fits with the general git > usage of "master", it fits with the workflow of several packages, where you > do experimental->unstable, and it is not going to surprise anyone that

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On 14 November 2014 09:30, Svante Signell wrote: > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd... > any chance i can speed it up? > Assuming that report is accurate, to me it sounds like a bug that should get fixed, as opposed to a clear indication that udevd is going

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Hi Pat, On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Patrick Ouellette wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:06:08PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> >> > For the record, I really don't care about the init system per-say. I am >> > more annoyed with the systemd insistence on logging to binary files than >> >

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:16 +1100, Brian May wrote: > On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez > wrote: > > Which would suggest that udev might stop supporting the > userspace-to-userspace netlink-based transport in the future. However, > unless I am mistaken, I don't think this mean

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Tobias Frost dijo [Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 05:22:18PM +0100]: > >> I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org: > >> https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html > > > > You lack any sense of humor, really! > > Sometimes, a joke is just inappropriate, regardless how funny it may seem. > Somet

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:06:08PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > > For the record, I really don't care about the init system per-say. I am > > more annoyed with the systemd insistence on logging to binary files than > > anything. Log files should be plain text. > Rsyslog is srill installed b

Re: Bad weather in testing?

Le jeudi 13 novembre 2014 à 19:23 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Jérémy Lal wrote: > > > As a workaround, this is the reason why arch:all nodejs modules have a > > build-dependency on nodejs - it prevents them to be available on arches > > where nodejs isn't. > > I

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > The last one that I read is that udev is going to stop working on > non-systemd systems: > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html > > I don't read anything in that post that says this. Am guessing

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 22:56 GMT+01:00 Patrick Ouellette : > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:39:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Patrick Ouellette writes: >> >> > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right >> > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large >> >

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 13:39 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Patrick Ouellette writes: > > > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right > > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large > > portion (or at least a vocal portion) don't want to. > > We

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:39:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Patrick Ouellette writes: > > > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right > > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large > > portion (or at least a vocal portion) don't want to.

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:24:31AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Patrick Ouellette writes: > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > >> In a sense, of course, this is true. However, what I'm trying to point > >> out is that we have a fundamental governance question fac

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Patrick Ouellette writes: > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large > portion (or at least a vocal portion) don't want to. Well, no, we didn't. We said that there would be a different default,

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:58:23PM +0100, Bálint Réczey wrote: > > acceptance for ironic, sarcastic humor. > I love irony and sarcasm, but I don't think planet.debian.org is the > right place for the mentioned content. I'm afraid you misunderstand the purpose of planet Debian. If you want an aggre

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > In a sense, of course, this is true. However, what I'm trying to point > out is that we have a fundamental governance question facing us here. > What are we, as a project, going to do when we face a decision where the > project is

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Patrick Ouellette writes: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:04:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> In a sense, of course, this is true. However, what I'm trying to point >> out is that we have a fundamental governance question facing us here. >> What are we, as a project, going to do when we face a de

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

* Raphael Hertzog [14 22:26]: > Helper tools should usually rely on the output of `dpkg-vendor --query vendor` > to find out the name of the current vendor. The retrieved string must be > converted to lower case. This allows users to override the current vendor > by setting `DEB_VENDOR` in the

Bug#769455: ITP: ckeditor3 -- WYSIWYG HTML Editor

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mathieu Parent Package name: ckeditor3 Version : 3.6.x Upstream Author : Frederico Knabben URL : http://ckeditor.com/ License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: JS Description : WYSIWYG HTML Editor Unfortunately, CK

Re: ITP? Sponsors of eudev, consolekit2, uselessd?

Am 13.11.2014 um 19:17 schrieb Svante Signell: Hi, Hi, I'm currently looking into packaging eudev, consolekit2, uselessd for Debian. If doing so, is anybody interested in sponsoring uploads of these packages? It would be great to know, before digging into the details. If you wish, please rep

Re: veto?

On 11/13/2014 05:03 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 13/11/14 13:16, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Donnerstag, 13. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: I veto this idea. I agree. I don't. I veto the idea that this idea is dead, I think we should discuss it some more. If veto is dead, what woul

Bug#769453: ITP: python-xmlbuilder -- create xml/(x)html files

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-xmlbuilder Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Kostiantyn Danylov aka koder * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/xmlbuilder * License : LGPL-3 Programming Lang: Python Description

ITP? Sponsors of eudev, consolekit2, uselessd?

Hi, I'm currently looking into packaging eudev, consolekit2, uselessd for Debian. If doing so, is anybody interested in sponsoring uploads of these packages? It would be great to know, before digging into the details. If you wish, please reply to me privately. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Theodore Ts'o writes: > That doesn't match my perception of the history; but part of this may > have been that the vitriol level escalated significantly once the TC > announced they were going involve itself in the debate, Yes, we have very different recollections. My recollection is that the v

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Hi, > Isn't it so that systemd has changed a lot since the decision was made > in February this year, and the rate of changes will not stop. In the > meanwhile no stable API is defined > and more and more functionality

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

On Nov 13, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I am part of the Python Modules team who wants to switch to git but not > all contributors are using the same git helper tools and yet we would like > to all work together on the same repositories without forcing everybody > to use the same helper tool (habits

Re: Switching to systemd - statistics Was: Being part of a community and behaving

> How many users actually did this? > I did! And aster not getting in serious trouble with it, I completely changed to it. > https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packag aes=systemd > > before 2014 and the begin of the debate - less than 1000 > > Less than 1000 while sysvinit beeing at 170k

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On 13/11/14 18:11, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > And it sure would be nice if > we don't have the same amount of pain as each of these components get > proposed. (My personal hope is that if they are optional, as opposed > made mandatory because GNOME, network-manager, upower, etc. stops > working if you

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 08:25:57AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > What do you think we should have done instead? debian-devel was becoming > the standing debian-canonical-is-evil vs. debian-systemd-sucks standing > flamewar. (I think people are already forgetting the whole Canonical is > evil flame

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 08:25 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Florian Lohoff writes: > > > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within > > debian. There are design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the > > past Debian did good by delaying adoption of controversial technical >

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Bálint Réczey wrote: >> I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org: >> https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html > > You lack any sense of humor, really! > > Although I am a strong opponent of systemd, I had to laugh out loud > on that one, actually love it. > > S

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Florian Lohoff writes: > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within > debian. There are design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the > past Debian did good by delaying adoption of controversial technical > issues e.g. devfs and waited in a conservative way until dust set

Re: veto?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:41:33PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 12/11/14 13:12, zlatan wrote: > > Please no. > > > > We need less and not more layers of governance/'political' complexity > > in project. Lets stop acting like government and more like community. > > > If a veto facility is cre

Switching to systemd - statistics Was: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 03:34:32PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:19:41PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within debian. There > > are > > design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the past Debian did good by > >

Re: veto the veto?

On 13/11/14 15:25, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Daniel Pocock: >> If veto is dead, what would the FTP masters do when somebody decides to >> upload something before checking it is 100% free? >> > That's a different sort of veto. That's what they do, and they've got a > mandate to do exactly th

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

Hi, >> I think the only workflow that newcomers and NMUers should be required >> to learn is the one that involves quilt, they should not be expected to >> learn (e.g.) dgit in addition. [...] > > I certainly don't think people should be expected to learn dgit in > addition to other tools. I am

Bug#769427: ITP: python-pygit2 -- bindings for libgit2

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-pygit2 Version : 0.21.4 Upstream Author : J. David Ibanez * URL : https://github.com/libgit2/pygit2 * License : GPLv2-with-linking-exception Programming Lang: Python, C Descripti

Bug#769421: ITP: python-pygit2 -- bindings for libgit2

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-pygit2 Version : 0.21.4 Upstream Author : J. David Ibáñez * URL : https://github.com/libgit2/pygit2 * License : GPLv2-with-linking-exception Programming Lang: Python Description

Re: veto?

Hi, Daniel Pocock: > If veto is dead, what would the FTP masters do when somebody decides to > upload something before checking it is 100% free? > That's a different sort of veto. That's what they do, and they've got a mandate to do exactly that. The veto we're talking about here is more along t

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 09:46:13AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ I skip the more detailed discussions on naming conventions to > concentrate on your higher level questions for now ] Agreed, if we solve the tricky problems, that part is mostly just yak shaving (and if we can't, it's probably

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:19:41PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within debian. There are > design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the past Debian did good by > delaying adoption of controversial technical issues e.g. devfs and waited

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:19:41PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within debian. There are > design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the past Debian did good by > delaying adoption of controversial technical issues e.g. devfs and waited

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 09:23:31PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Bálint Réczey wrote: > > I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org: > > https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html > > You lack any sense of humor, really! > > Although I am a strong opponent of s

Re: veto?

On 13/11/14 13:16, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Donnerstag, 13. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >>> I veto this idea. >> I agree. > I don't. I veto the idea that this idea is dead, I think we should discuss it > some more. > If veto is dead, what would the FTP masters do when somebody

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

Hi Norbert, 2014-11-13 13:23 GMT+01:00 Norbert Preining : > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Bálint Réczey wrote: >> I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org: >> https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html > > You lack any sense of humor, really! I clearly sensed the humor as I wrote in the part y

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 01:32:04 Sam Hartman wrote: > Hi. > I've read the original proposal and believe it is generally going in the > right direction. > > things I liked: > > * didn't pick between dgit/git-dpm/git-pq; documented the common parts > > * Seemed to really focus on one clear

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Bálint Réczey wrote: > I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org: > https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html You lack any sense of humor, really! Although I am a strong opponent of systemd, I had to laugh out loud on that one, actually love it. Sad to see peopl

Re: veto?

Hi, On Donnerstag, 13. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > I veto this idea. > I agree. I don't. I veto the idea that this idea is dead, I think we should discuss it some more. cheers, Holger, who might have forgotten to indicate sarcasm... signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: veto?

Hi, Stephen Gran: > This one time, at band camp, Daniel Pocock said: > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? > > I veto this idea. I agree. If you want to block a change, convince the rest of us that it's

Re: veto?

This one time, at band camp, Daniel Pocock said: > > > It is very sad to see that contributors sometimes feel that the only > option for them is to resign. > > Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, > allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this

Re: Bad weather in testing?

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Jérémy Lal wrote: > As a workaround, this is the reason why arch:all nodejs modules have a > build-dependency on nodejs - it prevents them to be available on arches > where nodejs isn't. I think you meant dependency, a build-dependency would not achieve that. --

Bug#769397: ITP: nfstrace -- NFS tracing/monitoring/capturing/analyzing tool

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Shadura * Package name: nfstrace Version : 0.3.0 Upstream Author : EPAM Systems (multiple authors) * URL : https://github.com/epam/nfstrace/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C++ Description : NFS tracing

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

Hi, Thibaut Paumard: > We have a very nice source package format with "3.0 (quilt)". IMHO this format is very nice if you have some opaque upstream, and a debian/ directory that's under your control. This restriction does not apply to a DVCS like git. Moreover, git already has built-in mechanism

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

Tobias Frost writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > [Ian:] > > And you should add: > >The packaging branch should not contain a `.pc' directory. > > Maybe I got the above wrong: you mean "patch applied" after e.g > quilt push -a ? I think, removing .

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

Thibaut Paumard writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories"): > [patches applied vs unapplied] > > However, we should perhaps strongly recommend that this choice be > documented in debian/README.sources. I think it would be better to document this by the use of d

Re: Bad weather in testing?

Le mercredi 12 novembre 2014 à 18:42 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > > This is a bug, I’ve seen this affect buildd dependency resolution, > > and anyway, if it’s not installable everywhere, why is it arch:all? > > I would guess that uninsta

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 09:46:13AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: [..snip..] > Well git-buildpackage obviously needs quite some update: > - it complains when you're trying to build as soon as you're not in a > branch named master (that can be overridden with --git-ignore-branch > or setting --gi

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

Le 12/11/2014 12:25, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > Hi, > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Thibaut Paumard wrote: >> I see nothing about whether the debian branch should contained the >> unpacked or the unpacked *and* patched sources, and whether to ship the >> .pc directory. > > That's a volunteer choice at

Being part of a community and behaving

Dear Josselin, I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org: https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html I would like to ask you to resist the temptation of publishing similar posts. It makes fun of part of our community which you are well aware of and it also shows corpses which probably

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

> 2014-11-12 10:28 GMT+01:00 Raphael Hertzog : >> On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: > OK. Makes sense. The unstripped upstream can then live in an > non-namespaced branch if needed (this is not my usual workflow but should be possible). > On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Mathieu Parent wrote: >> May

Re: Second call for votes: GR - Init system coupling

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:29:07AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e > [ 4 ] Choice 1: Packages may not (in general) require a specific init system > [ 1 ] Choice 2: Support for other init

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Raphael Hertzog wrote: First, I'm a fan of trying to ease the workflow for all by having some standardisation / best-practice recommendation/documentation. Kudos to the initiattors! >> QUESTION: some people have argued to use debian/master as the latest >> packaging tar

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

> I think you need to be more explicit about the implications for `3.0 > (quilt)' format packages. Something like: > >If the git tree contains debian/format specifying `3.0 (quilt)', >the git tree must also contain debian/patches/series and all the >patch files contained within it.

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

[ I skip the more detailed discussions on naming conventions to concentrate on your higher level questions for now ] On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Ron wrote: > Sure, I understood those were your goals. > > What I haven't seen, and what I'm asking for, is an actual detailed > rationale describing the act

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

Hi, Ian Jackson: > > Thus, please don't try to shoehorn a divided workflow into this DEP. > > Write your own. > > I disagree with half of this but agree with the other half. > I think that the divided workflow should be documented in this DEP. > > But I agree that those who like the divided work