On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:12:08AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On 11 May 2014 03:13, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > "su" does a bunch of things that are perfectly appropriate for something
> > that creates a "new" login. That's its job.
> I am still a bit confused, isn't this only when you use the "-
<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
On Sun, May 11 2014, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Thinking about the poor people trying to bootstrap things, I'm tempted
> to suggest doing this as two separate source packages. Make is *so*
> far down the bottom of the stack that adding a dependency on another
> lan
Steve McIntyre writes:
> Thinking about the poor people trying to bootstrap things, I'm tempted
> to suggest doing this as two separate source packages. Make is *so* far
> down the bottom of the stack that adding a dependency on another
> language could cause significant problems.
Oh, good point
On Sun, 2014-05-11 at 03:28 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
> >Manoj Srivastava writes:
> >
> >> Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish,
> >> since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again,
> >> and each target of the ./de
Russ Allbery wrote:
>Manoj Srivastava writes:
>
>> Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish,
>> since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again,
>> and each target of the ./debin/rules might need cleanup/restart. Not
>> unsolvable, but messy,
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> Building two binary packages from a single source seems hackish,
> since make and make-guile would require ./configure to be run again,
> and each target of the ./debin/rules might need cleanup/restart. Not
> unsolvable, but messy, and I do not have the moti
Hi,
I have two constituencies here; people who would like to see
guile support in make, and to explore the new features. And people who
expect a sensibly small set of packages essential to building other
packages in Debin.
Without guile suport, make just depends on libc, and no
On 11 May 2014 03:13, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> "su" does a bunch of things that are perfectly appropriate for something
> that creates a "new" login. That's its job.
>
I am still a bit confused, isn't this only when you use the "-l" su flag?
Does su do stuff (e.g. pam session stuff) even witho
previously on this list Steve Langasek contributed:
> > Using systemd breaks something that worked for probably a decade or longer
> > before however long that su is in that init script. So on what account do
> > you call calling "su" in an init script a bug? It may not be the most
> > elegant s
On Sat, 10 May 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> I would strongly advise you to stop spreading FUD as well as conserving
? Could you be so kind and explain your insinuation?
Norbert
PREINING, Norbert
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> I also would not expect an "end user" to add "su foo -c /do/whatever" to
> /etc/rc.local. Your opinion may differ, that's OK.
My opinion certainly does differ as I'm sure is already apparent ;-)
especially that pid1 and single user should mo
Hi John,
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:05:25PM -0400, John wrote:
> After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
> debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering
> attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them.
> Accordingly, I'd like to k
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 04:00:39PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > The root cause of this bug is in the initscript of dirmngr that us using
> > su instead of start-stop-daemon.
> > su is starting a PAM session which then call pam_systemd. This
> > should not happen for daemons.
> > Again her
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 02:55:09PM +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> Le samedi 10 mai 2014 à 13:37 +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> > On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 11:10 +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Jonas Smedegaard brought to my attention that an image file [0]
> > > can embed a copyrighted ICC prof
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In article ,
Bas Wijnen wrote:
>On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 06:44:16PM -0700, Jose Luis Rivas wrote:
>> I saw it and I fail to see what exactly they want to achieve with this
>> change since AGPLv3 is for web apps.
>
>I license almost all my work as AGPL, because I like that clause. The idea of
>the
Hi,
Jakub Wilk:
> * Matthias Urlichs , 2014-05-10, 19:13:
> >Every compiler toolchain upgrade breaks a bunch of packages,
>
> For end users? I don't think so.
>
The typical end user does not recompile some system-supplied package with a
newer GCC; neither does the typical end user run Debian's o
On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 19:53 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Matthias Urlichs , 2014-05-10, 19:13:
> >Every compiler toolchain upgrade breaks a bunch of packages,
>
> For end users? I don't think so.
If a package is not changed to fix the FTBFS, then it will be removed
from testing and will miss the
Le Sat, 10 May 2014 19:13:01 +0200,
Matthias Urlichs a écrit :
Hi,
[...]
> > Telling "Go away, the bug is elsewhere" is just not an approbiate
> > reaction for developers of a low level system component.
>
> For the record: I do not disagree with this statement.
I think there are some misunde
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote:
> Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames.
A couple of quotes from your mail:
> "I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of
> almost all systemd's defenders."
> "I don't trust them."
You're not loo
* Matthias Urlichs , 2014-05-10, 19:13:
Every compiler toolchain upgrade breaks a bunch of packages,
For end users? I don't think so.
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]] Norbert Preining
> So I *strongly* advise to inform *and* ask the users!!
I would strongly advise you to stop spreading FUD as well as conserving
the global supply of exclamation marks.
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Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2014, 19:13:01 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
> Hi,
>
> Martin Steigerwald:
> > Yet: I do think its about high time systemd developers and packagers adopt
> > an attitude of "never break userspace" like the kernel developers do.
> I beg to differ. At least in this case.
>
> "su" do
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
> Yet: I do think its about high time systemd developers and packagers adopt an
> attitude of "never break userspace" like the kernel developers do.
>
I beg to differ. At least in this case.
"su" does a bunch of things that are perfectly appropriate for something
that cr
Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2014, 18:00:02 schrieb Laurent Bigonville:
> Le Sat, 10 May 2014 16:00:39 +0200,
> Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> [...]
>
> >
> >
> > Thats exactly the kind of reaction I meant:
> >
> >
> > Frankly, I just *don´t* care where it is fixed. If its in dirmngr,
> > fine.
> >
> >
On 9 May 2014 23:50, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bas Wijnen writes:
>> On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 10:37:03PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
>>> It and upstart (and any other providers of /sbin/init) should also grow
>>> critical debconf warnings if you install them and you were previously
>>> using syste
Hi,
Holger Levsen:
> systemctl is not mentioned on https://wiki.debian.org/systemd - maybe it
> should?
>
Actually, this is hardly Debian specific, so a pointer to the generic page
for debugging startup/shutdown with systemd would probably be more useful
than duplicating information that's avail
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On Sb, 10 mai 14, 18:05:32, Rahman Yusri Aftian wrote:
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> Version: 0.2.1.37
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>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> Manokwari is a desktop shell for GNOME 3. It features combined
Hi Rob,
On Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2014, Rob Browning wrote:
> If we can, I'd like to remove emacs23 from unstable/testing before the
> freeze. To make that possible, any relevant packages will need to
> migrate to emacs24, or just include support for emacs24.
what's your plan for dealing with old bugs
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of
almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to
keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things
Le Sat, 10 May 2014 16:00:39 +0200,
Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
[...]
>
> Thats exactly the kind of reaction I meant:
>
> Frankly, I just *don´t* care where it is fixed. If its in dirmngr,
> fine.
>
> Yet: I do think its about high time systemd developers and packagers
> adopt an attitude of "
On Saturday 10 May 2014 09:57:25 Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, 09 May 2014 20:30:22 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek:
> >> I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this is ready
> >> to become the default.
> >
> >What are you missing?
>
> F
I think this is a good example of how not to respond to reports, as we recently
discussed on this list. Even though most parts are excellent. :-)
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 03:36:26PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> The root cause of this bug is [...]
This part is useful.
> So please get dirmng
Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2014, 15:36:26 schrieben Sie:
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2014, 20:30:22 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> > > Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > > > I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this
> > > > is ready to
> > > > become th
On Sat, 10 May 2014, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> [I kept your Cc, I don´t need to be Cc´d tough as I am subscribed to the
> list.)
[So am I ;-)]
> I did not make a technical statement about systemd. I understand the reasons
Neither did I. My statement was about the attitude of (especially,
but
Hi,
On Samstag, 10. Mai 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > Will it be the norm that the binaries replacing well-used shell
> > scripts on early boot only implement the features that Lennart deemed
> > useful? That would be a major turn-off, adding to the fact that early
> > boot will become undebug
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2014, 20:30:22 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> > Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > > I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this
> > > is ready to
> > > become the default.
> >
> > What are you missing?
>
> Suitable explai
[I kept your Cc, I don´t need to be Cc´d tough as I am subscribed to the
list.)
Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2014, 21:21:30 schrieb Norbert Preining:
> Hi Martin, hi all,
>
> > being told "Go away" just doesn´t match the responsibility for dealing
> > with
> > issues with something that is a default for
Quoting Ben Hutchings (2014-05-10 14:37:35)
> On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 11:10 +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote:
>> Jonas Smedegaard brought to my attention that an image file [0] can
>> embed a copyrighted ICC profile without license.
> [...]
>
> This sounds like a ludicrous overreach of copyright. Isn't an I
Le samedi 10 mai 2014 à 13:37 +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 11:10 +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Jonas Smedegaard brought to my attention that an image file [0]
> > can embed a copyrighted ICC profile without license.
> [...]
>
> This sounds like a ludicrous ove
Hi Martin, hi all,
> being told "Go away" just doesn´t match the responsibility for dealing with
> issues with something that is a default for all users who don´t change it.
Indeed, and that is the feeling all around. Systemd developers
often (by default?) tell people to go away - you don't hav
On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 11:10 +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jonas Smedegaard brought to my attention that an image file [0]
> can embed a copyrighted ICC profile without license.
[...]
This sounds like a ludicrous overreach of copyright. Isn't an ICC
descriptive, rather than creative? And th
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Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2014, 20:30:22 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek:
> > I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this is ready
> > to
> > become the default.
>
> What are you missing?
Suitable explaination and reaction to bug reports like:
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severity 747535 serious
thanks
> Why did you downgrade bug #747535 to wishlist? The discussion is
> ongoing, and no solution has found consensus yet.
I agree, raising the severity.
If one (Josh) thinks that is fine, that doesn't mean it is fine.
Norbert
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On Fri, 2014-05-09 at 20:39 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
> > ...
> > I think we need some sort of critical debconf prompt here for the jessie
> > release, similar to how we handled the change of /bin/sh to dash and how
> > we handled the switch to startpar. Probably in systemd
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Hi,
Marc Haber:
> Will it be the norm that the binaries replacing well-used shell
> scripts on early boot only implement the features that Lennart deemed
> useful? That would be a major turn-off, adding to the fact that early
> boot will become undebuggable since one will not be able any more to
>
Hi,
Jonas Smedegaard brought to my attention that an image file [0]
can embed a copyrighted ICC profile without license.
Since it's something that not many people seems to be aware of,
maybe it might be useful to have a lintian check for that.
That command [1] shows positives on my /usr/share/
M
> What are you missing?
I am still missing the part of my logs that gets chopped off.
#746351
(I know it's fixed in experimental, but I don't want to get important stuff
from experimental).
--
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"Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di
senso, r
On Sat, 10 May 2014, Marc Haber wrote:
> boot will become undebuggable since one will not be able any more to
> dump -x'es in shell scripts to see what's going on.
+10^20
Norbert
PREINING, Norbert
Dear release managers, dear libpng maintainers, all DD
I would like to find a resolution of the currently very
unfortunate state of libpng in Debian.
We have
* libpng 1.2 in stable, testing, unstable
* libpng 1.6 in experimental, but not providing libpng-dev
If we continue like this, the next
On Fri, 09 May 2014 13:09:24 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt
wrote:
>On 05/09/2014 12:35, Svante Signell wrote:
>> Well, I've not been asked if I wanted to switch to systemd based boot
>> when upgrading. I think this is a bug in init system choice and should
>> be reported. How to go back to sysvinit?
>
>
On Fri, 09 May 2014 20:30:22 +0200, Michael Biebl
wrote:
>Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek:
>> I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this is ready to
>> become the default.
>
>What are you missing?
For example, keyscript= in /etc/crypttab. I got systemd just by not
]] Michael Biebl
> > i.e. does /etc/default/rcS exist on a clean jessie install?
>
> That file is owned by initscripts, so no, that doesn't work.
We could check if /sbin/init is a symlink to systemd (or if /proc/1/exe
points to systemd) and if not warn. I think that will catch the normal
cases
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