Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 04-05-13 05:04, Charles Plessy wrote: > In any case, please refrain passive-aggressive statements on other people's > projects. Except that this time the "project" we're talking about was one person asking another person "can you clarify what I meant?", which seems to make no sense, at all. If

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Charles Plessy wrote: >It would be definitely a big undertaking, but the point > I want to make is that one can not say that Git repositories could not > be redistributed by Debian and at the same time be satisfied with the > way we handle our packages currently. (And to make

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, May 04, 2013 at 12:11:23PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > The fact is that Debian does not make much effort to ensure that we do not > > distribute unredistributable files in our mirrors and installation media, > > once > > a pack

Re: multiarch and interpreters/runtimes

2013-05-03 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 19.04.2013 00:33, schrieb Guillem Jover: I think the full-multiarch support for python in > experimental should really be reverted. No. This is backward, and the wrong way to go forward. I do acknowledge that there are issues with the current state of dpkg, but I'm not seeing how you are plan

Re: jpeg8 vs jpeg-turbo

2013-05-03 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 24.04.2013 11:23, schrieb Ondřej Surý: do you have some insight how openjpeg enters this game? apparently some packages already use openjpeg explicitly to support some jpeg2000 features. There was some discussion on that in Ubuntu, see https://launchpad.net/bugs/711061. Matthias -- To UNS

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > The fact is that Debian does not make much effort to ensure that we do not > distribute unredistributable files in our mirrors and installation media, once > a package has passed its first copyright and license review. That is simply not tr

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, May 04, 2013 at 05:06:37AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin a écrit : > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 07:43:17PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > One thing not clear is whether people thought I was referring to using > > upstream repositories or alioth repositories (only containing commits > > from the m

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, May 03, 2013 at 06:50:22PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : > > - legal problems > > But the source packages are found on DVDs and mirrors all over the > world. Many people help us distributing Debian. We owe them to do > out best to keep them out of legal trouble for doing so. Hi

Bug#706737: general: Laptop brightness completely on restart

2013-05-03 Thread giri
Package: general Severity: minor Dear Maintainer, *** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** * What led up to the situation? Whenever I restart my machine the screen is completely dimmed till login page where i need to bring it back manually to normal bright

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 15:09, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >>> > No, it's not. Source only uploads were banned many years ago, mainly >>> due >>> > to problems with maintainers not even build testing their packages. > >> They do. They just ignore the

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 01:05:06AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Russ Allbery [130504 00:32]: > > The way to ensure that builds in non-clean environments work properly is > > to devise a method for testing them, and to do those tests on a regular > > basis and turn test failures into bugs. >

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Russ Allbery
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > * Russ Allbery [130504 00:32]: >> The way to ensure that builds in non-clean environments work properly >> is to devise a method for testing them, and to do those tests on a >> regular basis and turn test failures into bugs. > Noone is speaking about non-clean envir

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Arto Jantunen , 2013-05-03, 11:12: Source only uploads were banned many years ago, mainly due to problems with maintainers not even build testing their packages. [citation needed] -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 07:43:17PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > One thing not clear is whether people thought I was referring to using > upstream repositories or alioth repositories (only containing commits > from the maintainer) as the content of such source packages. Bernhard, > could you comme

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Russ Allbery [130504 00:32]: > The way to ensure that builds in non-clean environments work properly is > to devise a method for testing them, and to do those tests on a regular > basis and turn test failures into bugs. Noone is speaking about non-clean environments, but only about non-minimal,

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Russ Allbery
"brian m. carlson" writes: > The issue with sterile build environments is not just for building > packages for normal use. If I'm fixing a bug in a package, I may need > to build that package several times, testing different fixes. If > everyone assumes that packages will be built in a sterile

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Samstag, den 04.05.2013, 00:10 +0300 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: > "Bernhard R. Link" writes: > > Once we drop that and only give people the right to modify the > > software we distribute but no longer the possiblity to do so > > on their own, the "Free" we are so proud on gets mood. >

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread brian m. carlson
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 12:10:25AM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > "Bernhard R. Link" writes: > > Once we drop that and only give people the right to modify the > > software we distribute but no longer the possiblity to do so > > on their own, the "Free" we are so proud on gets mood. > > Doe

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > Once we drop that and only give people the right to modify the > software we distribute but no longer the possiblity to do so > on their own, the "Free" we are so proud on gets mood. Doesn't pbuilder make it easy enough for anyone to modify and build the software on t

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Daniel Pocock
Many of the comments from different people are very useful (and they are things that were hinted at in the original email) One thing not clear is whether people thought I was referring to using upstream repositories or alioth repositories (only containing commits from the maintainer) as the cont

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Nick Andrik
2013/5/3 Josselin Mouette : > There is a solution to both the upload bandwidth problem and the the > problem that buildd binaries are untested, but I’m afraid it implies > changes to dak. > > This means configuring dak to accepting only two types of uploads: > - source-only uploads > They a

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Daniel Pocock [130501 21:28]: > Would there be any hard objection to a source package format based on > git-bundle? I think a git based source package has quite some problems. - failing to properly make changes visible While you can express every history-graph in git, that is not an advan

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Holger Levsen [130502 12:28]: > > People do this all the time: upload packages built against local packages, > > experimental or even on Ubuntu to Debian sid. > > /me shivers. This hurts. There is no reason not to rebuild in sane > environments. Can we please fix this for the next release?! I

Bug#706713: ITP: plv8 -- Procedural language interface between PostgreSQL and JavaScript

2013-05-03 Thread Evgeni Golov
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Evgeni Golov * Package name: plv8 Version : 1.4.0 Upstream Author : PLV8JS Development Group * URL : http://code.google.com/p/plv8js/ * License : Expat Programming Lang: C++, JavaScript Description : Procedural la

Bug#706711: RFH: openmx

2013-05-03 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Hello I don't think Christophe has any more time to work on openmx. It would be nice to have someone taking care of it in the context of Debian science. Thanks, Sylvestre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubs

Bug#706710: RFH: parmetis

2013-05-03 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Hello I don't think Christophe or Adam have any more time to work on parmetis. It would be nice to have someone taking care of it in the context of Debian science. Thanks, Sylvestre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 03 mai 2013 à 09:18 +0800, Chow Loong Jin a écrit : > While we're at it, can we also have source-only uploads? Uploading potentially > huge binary packages that just go to /dev/null seems like a pointless waste of > bandwidth to me, and the only for argument I've heard (which I don't b

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 RC3 release

2013-05-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Neil Williams, le Fri 03 May 2013 15:32:46 +0100, a écrit : > On Fri, 3 May 2013 23:45:57 +1000 > "Robert Thomas Hayes Link" wrote: > > > Why doesn't the home page at debian dot org reflect a second and third > > release candidate? > > It does: > > To install Debian testing, we recommend you us

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 RC3 release

2013-05-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 3 May 2013 23:45:57 +1000 "Robert Thomas Hayes Link" wrote: > Why doesn't the home page at debian dot org reflect a second and third > release candidate? It does: To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the wheezy Release Candidate 3 release of the installer, after checking its

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 RC3 release

2013-05-03 Thread Robert Thomas Hayes Link
Greetings. Why doesn't the home page at debian dot org reflect a second and third release candidate? rl > The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the third (and > hopefully last) release candidate of the installer for Debian 7.0 > "Wheezy". > > > Improvements in this release of the i

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, May 3, 2013 15:09, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> > No, it's not. Source only uploads were banned many years ago, mainly >> due >> > to problems with maintainers not even build testing their packages. > They do. They just ignore the issue; they can do that because it's a > scalability issue tha

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 03-05-13 10:25, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On 03/05/2013 16:12, Arto Jantunen wrote: > > Chow Loong Jin writes: > > > >> On 03/05/2013 15:01, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > >>> Isn't that already possible? > >> > >> It is? I should try that out with my next upload. > > > > No, it's not. Source on

Re: Bug#706603: general: laptop freeze on adjusting brightness

2013-05-03 Thread Marwan Tanager
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 11:56:07AM +0200, Marwan Tanager wrote: > On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:23:42AM -0400, giri wrote: > > Package: general > > Severity: normal > > > > Dear Maintainer, > > *** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** > > > >* What led up to the situa

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/03/2013 02:12 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Yes, speaking as someone who has, on several occasions, uploaded arch: all > binary packages with source package problems and not discovered that until > months later via a FTBFS bug from an archive rebuild, I think we should > rebuild all arch: all p

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:01:51AM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > >> After Wheezy is released, we can talk about throwing away all binary > >> uploads again... if we can't prevent people doing the wrong thing, we > >> might have to send bits of what gets uploaded to /dev/null. > > > > Whil

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 09:01:51 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > On 05/03/2013 03:18 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > While we're at it, can we also have source-only uploads? Uploading > > potentially > > huge binary packages that just go to /dev/null seems like a pointless waste > > of > >

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 03/05/2013 16:12, Arto Jantunen wrote: > Chow Loong Jin writes: > >> On 03/05/2013 15:01, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >>> Isn't that already possible? >> >> It is? I should try that out with my next upload. > > No, it's not. Source only uploads were banned many years ago, mainly due > to pr

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Arto Jantunen
Chow Loong Jin writes: > On 03/05/2013 15:01, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> Isn't that already possible? > > It is? I should try that out with my next upload. No, it's not. Source only uploads were banned many years ago, mainly due to problems with maintainers not even build testing their pac

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 03/05/2013 15:01, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Isn't that already possible? It is? I should try that out with my next upload. -- Kind regards, Loong Jin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 05/03/2013 03:18 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On 02/05/2013 18:48, Neil Williams wrote: >> After Wheezy is released, we can talk about throwing away all binary >> uploads again... if we can't prevent people doing the wrong thing, we >> might have to send bits of what gets uploaded to /dev/null. >