On 08/09/2012 11:43 PM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
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As of DebianSqueeze, if you ask for the Desktop task during the
installation, that pulls in sudo with a default configuration that
automatically grants sudo-ing rights to any member of the sudo group.
Depending on what user accounts yo
On 08/09/2012 09:54 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
>
That's clearly *not* truth.
Thomas
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On Aug 10, Roger Leigh wrote:
> In the case of OpenRC, it has the potential to be a drop-in replacement
> for sysv-rc (note that it uses base sysvinit still underneath that).
So do the other init systems.
The point is what they can do which sysvinit (and openrc) cannot.
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On 10/08/2012 08:04, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 01:16:17AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
>> Wasn't the idea of porting to non-Linux rejected by upstart's upstream?
>
> Porting upstart to non-Linux kernels has never been rejected by upstream.
> It just requires porters to do th
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 01:16:17AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Wasn't the idea of porting to non-Linux rejected by upstart's upstream?
Porting upstart to non-Linux kernels has never been rejected by upstream.
It just requires porters to do the porting; no one involved in upstart
upstream has a
Hi!
systemd's upstream is not hostile at all - systemd just relies on many
Linux-specific technologies, not just cgroups, and therefore it is not
easily possible to port it. Upstream suggested to fork systemd and
maintain patches for other OSes there, because they don't want a
construct with lots o
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:50:43AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
> écrit :
> > What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
> > work.
>
> Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port f
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 02:51:49PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 10:40:44PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:54:05PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > > Please do not bother.
> > > openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 05:37:57PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 09, The Fungi wrote:
>
> > So I would assume this ITP is merely an outcome of that debian-devel
> > discussion,
> I think that the outcome of that discussion was that openrc would be too
> little too late for Debian, and that
Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
écrit :
> What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
> work.
Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake
of toy ports?
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On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 10:40:44PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:54:05PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > Please do not bother.
> > openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> > consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and syste
On 09/08/12 15:54, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Please do not bother.
> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
> We do not need to be able to choose among multiple init implementations.
>
What about
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On 09/08/12 22:05, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> What you are proposing here is a hack based on dangerous assumptions.
Why you say this is a dangerous assumption?
I am not proposing adding this to already installed machines via
upgrades, but to add this feature to d-i, so it automatically adds sbin
dir
Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 18:42 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
> > We do not need to be able to choose among multiple init implementations.
>
> According to my latest information only the DPL may speak on behalf of
> the project which can by overridden by way of a GR. I therefore conclude
> that
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:54:05PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Please do not bother.
> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
openrc is not acceptable from the very start, as it lacks a key pa
On 09/08/12 04:05 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
When we are talking about IPv4, then it's probably right to tell that having
multiple IPs on a single interface isn't a very common setup. But for IPv6,
that's another story! It's very common to setup more than one IP per iface
with IPv6. And yes, we sh
On 08/09/2012 06:14 PM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
> I am aware of the shortcomings of ifconfig. However it is still a nice
> and valid tool to just show the ip address the DHCP server assigned to a
> machine (AFAIK DHCP servers only assign one IP address per interface)
>
With all the du
* Marco d'Itri [2012-08-09 16:12]:
> Please do not bother.
> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
It was a very long discussion that did not end in a major consensus the
way I read it. Cons
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On Aug 09, The Fungi wrote:
> So I would assume this ITP is merely an outcome of that debian-devel
> discussion,
I think that the outcome of that discussion was that openrc would be too
little too late for Debian, and that it is proven that trying to support
well multiple init implementations d
On 2012-08-09 15:54:05 +0200 (+0200), Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Please do not bother.
[...]
Last I recall from that thread, Roger Leigh was coordinating with
Gentoo upstream to incorporate/wrap the necessary functionality to
parse LSB header comments already present in Debian's init scripts.
He also s
Please do not bother.
openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
We do not need to be able to choose among multiple init implementations.
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On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:58:51PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:54:59PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:44:25 +0200
> > Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > > "arp" can be replaced by "ip neigh", "ifconfig" by "ip addr" or "ip
> > > link", "route" by "ip rou
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 12:14, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
> On 08/08/12 12:11, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 08/08/2012 10:32 AM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
[...]
> on any *nix. Furthermore the output formatting of ifconfig is more user
> friendly than the one of ip.
It depends of that
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:16:46 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
[...]
> While I'm in rant mode, note that there's no programmable bash
> completion for the subcommands of ip. I wasn't aware of ip neigh.
For a brief shell size war interlude, note that there is zsh completion
for the subcommands of ip.
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On 08/08/12 12:11, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 08/08/2012 10:32 AM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
>> I think this is a great idea :)
>>
>> You can't imagine how much I blame Debian each time I have to type the
>> full path "/sbin/ifconfig" as a non-root user on virtual servers to just
>> know th
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:44:25PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 8 août 2012 12:21 CEST, David Given :
>
> > ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip)
>
> All what is inside "net-tools" package is old and hardly maintained.
>
> "arp" can be replaced by "ip neigh", "ifc
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