Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:29:05 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Your limited knowledge is like jam. The less you have, the more you > spread it. Well, you have just confirmed this statement. > What you actually like about ifupdown is that it cannot do anything > but extremely trivial setup

Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)

2011-04-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 05 avril 2011 à 02:08 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski a écrit : > Well, that is not the question of how many, that is the question of > can you do a given task or not with a given tool. NM is limited in all > possible ways I can imagine, and also buggy. On the contrary, with > ifupdown, one fo

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 05 avril 2011 à 14:31 +0200, Vincent Lefevre a écrit : > For instance, imagine the average user who wants for Ethernet (eth0), > to do the following automatically (for a laptop): > 1. use some fixed IP address if there's some peer 192.168.0.1 > with some given MAC address; There a

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
On 04/06/2011 01:55 AM, Carsten Hey wrote: > * Luk Claes [2011-04-05 23:11 +0200]: >> On 04/05/2011 11:05 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: >>> Carsten Hey wrote: * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: > Guaranteeing that /bin/sh

Re: Updating GPG howto (http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html)

2011-04-05 Thread brian m. carlson
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:15:15PM +0200, Vincent Caron wrote: > 2/ It is suggested to update gnupg.conf with: > > personal-digest-preferences SHA256 > cert-digest-algo SHA256 > default-preference-list SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 SHA224 AES256 AES192 AES CAST5 > ZLIB BZIP2 ZIP Uncompressed > >

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Margarita Manterola wrote: > Please, *NEVER* do "fall" or "summer" or "winter". > > Remember that Debian is developed all around the world, and half the > world has the opposite seasons that you have.  You can say "December" > and you have a month of leeway to then

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-05 Thread Carsten Hey
* Luk Claes [2011-04-05 23:11 +0200]: > On 04/05/2011 11:05 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > Carsten Hey wrote: > >> * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: > >>> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: > * Find a sane solution for managing /bin/sh. Currently diversions

Processed: Re: Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 620957 wnpp Bug #620957 {Done: Ben Hutchings } [general] general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories? Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'wnpp'. > retitle 620957 RFP: frandom: kernel module for gener

Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Finney
reassign 620957 wnpp retitle 620957 RFP: frandom: kernel module for generating PRNG data thanks On 05-Apr-2011, Ruben wrote: > I would like to see Frandom in the Debian repositories. Frandom is a > kernel module for pseudo-random data generation, much as random and > urandom, but works incredibly

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Jan Dittberner wrote: > * Group membership information > ssh merkel.debian.org id jandd echo -n 'uid: ' && read uid && ldapsearch -LLL -x -h db.debian.org -b dc=debian,dc=org "uid=$uid" supplementaryGid On any host. On debian.org machines you need not use -h and -b. wea

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
On 4/5/2011 2:47 PM, Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Daniel Gary wrote: I'm not arguing that, I fully expect the kernel to use it to swap *if needed*. And if this was 20MB of swap, or maybe 100MB, ok, sure, the kernel might be swapping old pages out, but 300MB+ swapping out in 2.6.26-2

Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > sorry for a blunt follow-up -- wouldn't making /var/run writable by > regular mortals ask for security concerns if an attacker starts > pre-creating files/pipes trying to steal the communications of > daemons spawned by root or just ruin some data o

Re: Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Daniel Gary wrote: > I'm not arguing that, I fully expect the kernel to use it to swap *if > needed*. > And if this was 20MB of swap, or maybe 100MB, ok, sure, the kernel might > be swapping old pages out, but 300MB+ swapping out in 2.6.26-2 where 0MB Using more memory for

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
I'm not arguing that, I fully expect the kernel to use it to swap *if needed*. And if this was 20MB of swap, or maybe 100MB, ok, sure, the kernel might be swapping old pages out, but 300MB+ swapping out in 2.6.26-2 where 0MB swapped out in 2.6.26-1, and I can't find anything in the kernel.org

Re: Bug#620943: ITP: evtest -- utility to monitor input device events

2011-04-05 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:14:01 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:13 +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote: > > > * Package name: evtest > > Version : 1.27 > > Upstream Author : Peter Hutterer > > * URL : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/evtest/ > > * License

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Danjean
On 05/04/2011 21:15, Daniel Gary wrote: > I have, but fixing monitoring to suit edge cases created from a recent upgrade > doesn't make the edge cases non-issues. > > This is still an issue whether you want to hide it under nagios or not, I do not understand the issue. You have some swap and you

Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
On 04/05/2011 11:05 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Carsten Hey wrote: >> * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: >>> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: > * Find a sane solution for managing /bin/sh. Currently diversions are used, which looks like the wrong

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Carsten Hey wrote: > * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: >> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: >>> * Find a sane solution for managing /bin/sh. Currently diversions are >>>used, which looks like the wrong tool for this job to me. There are >>>also some r

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
I have, but fixing monitoring to suit edge cases created from a recent upgrade doesn't make the edge cases non-issues. This is still an issue whether you want to hide it under nagios or not, so I'd appreciate a little more assistance in finding the problem beyond "fixing nagios". If you go the

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Philip Hands
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:09:08 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:24 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Luk Claes (04/04/2011): > > > > The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:25:44AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > Lintian error (and an ftpmaster REJECT) if debhelper compat 9 is set > with no ${misc:PreDepends} set because that prevents the > multiarch-support addition. A failure to convert ${misc:PreDepends} to > multiarch-support would be a de

Bug#620993: marked as done (general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:45:28 +0100 with message-id <20110405184528.gx2...@decadent.org.uk> and subject line Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing has caused the Debian Bug report #620993, regarding general: Lenny 2.6.26-2

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:12:29AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 at 11:12:54 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runtime > > > library in a multiarc

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Kelly Clowers [Mon, Apr 04 2011, 02:06:01PM]: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 07:29, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > I don't consider myself 'stupid user', but I haven't yet been able to > > put my laptop on wpa network without the use of network manager. > > I never did get nm or wicd to work. Only

Re: Making "may not be removed" and "needed

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 04:18:22PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Steve Langasek [110404 19:22]: > > If login worked consistently in the face of the configured shell going > > missing (automatically falling back to /bin/sh for root), then I think it > > would be worthwhile to do the work neces

Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
Package: general Severity: normal Swap usage prior to 2.6.26-2 upgrade was a relatively constant 0 Post 2.6.26-2 upgrade the usage is usually up into 300MB, not actively swapping however and doesn't seem to be affecting performance, but nagios is none to happy about swap being used. The problem

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 05.04.2011, 17:48 + schrieb Philipp Kern: > On 2011-04-05, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: > > Of course, man guessnet. Just few lines. > > Last time I looked guessnet was orphaned, though. but still very useful and allowing me to have a great network setup that, once set up,

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 07:09:08PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:24 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Luk Claes (04/04/2011): > > > > The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: impor

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie writes: > * lintian should warn (error?) if a binary package has libraries in a > multiarch directory and doesn't pre-depend on multiarch-support Yes, this is what we did for the X.org transition and it seemed to work reasonably well. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-04-05, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: > Of course, man guessnet. Just few lines. Last time I looked guessnet was orphaned, though. Kind regards Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:31:40 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > [About the general problem of documentation] > The problem is to find the correct tools and the correct > documentation. For instance, imagine the average user who wants for > Ethernet (eth0), to do the following automatically (fo

Re: Bug#620458: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.04.2011 19:03, schrieb Don Armstrong: > On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Michael Biebl wrote: >> Am 05.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: >>> Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: >>> reassign 620458 general >>> Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run wor

dh-make: don't install .la files in -dev library packages

2011-04-05 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Package: dh-make Severity: wishlist Hi, On 03/04/11 14:57, Mathieu Parent wrote: > dh-make 0.58 install .la files by default > (/usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debianl/package-dev.install contains > "usr/lib/*.la") > > Should we change this also? Since policy discourages shipping .la files, and th

Bug#620458: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 05.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: > > Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > > > >> reassign 620458 general > > Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable > > and sticky, like /var/lock an

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Carsten Hey wrote: >  We released in February 2011 and we want about one and a half year >  between a releases and the following freeze, so we freeze in fall >  2012. Please, *NEVER* do "fall" or "summer" or "winter". Remember that Debian is developed all around

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:24 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Luk Claes (04/04/2011): > > > The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important > > > is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on bash w

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.04.2011 18:29, schrieb Marco d'Itri: > On Apr 05, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> Very bad idea imho, I'm strongly against it. >> The point of /run is not to create a second /tmp, where everyone can write >> into. > Agreed, I really do not want to consider the security implications of a > world-

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Jan Dittberner wrote: > I changed an entry in the ddportfolioservice [1] to reflect the new location > to > lookup DD assigned debian.net domain names (Paul: thanks for the Wiki edit). > There are some more merkel URLs that stopped working. Do you know whether > there > are r

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Bernd Zeimetz [2011-04-05 15:04]: > On 04/04/2011 01:15 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > > most of the work is done by our upstreams, and by simply telling > > them "we'll freeze PICK_YOUR_MONTH every even/odd year" will (in the long > > term) improve quality of Debian *a lot* more than choosing

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Kyle Willmon
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 04:59:02PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > ifdown should not *need* to know how the interface was brought up. > And given that many people apparently like ifup because they can > change the active configuration without it interfering, it would be > a good thing if ifdown could

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Luk Claes (04/04/2011): > > The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important > > is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on bash when > > it's used in a package. Which means quite some packages will ne

Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
sorry for a blunt follow-up -- wouldn't making /var/run writable by regular mortals ask for security concerns if an attacker starts pre-creating files/pipes trying to steal the communications of daemons spawned by root or just ruin some data on the system by symlinking against root-owned files? O

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 05, Michael Biebl wrote: > Very bad idea imho, I'm strongly against it. > The point of /run is not to create a second /tmp, where everyone can write > into. Agreed, I really do not want to consider the security implications of a world-writeable {,/var}/run. Programs which use /run are sup

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 06:34:18PM +0300, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:30:53 +0100 > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Why is that necessary? So far as I can see, the purpose of the state > > files is: > > - Let ifup refuse to reapply a configuration (even if it failed

Updating GPG howto (http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Caron
Hello list, I'm about to generate a new GPG keypair to supplement my old v3 1024R as suggested by Gunnar Wolf as of 2010-09-14 [1] and I was following the documentation on http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html . I'm using GnuPG 1.4.11 from my Debian Wheezy, and a few things have changed

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: > Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > >> reassign 620458 general > Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and > sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp > Bug reassigned from package 'base-files' to '

Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Santiago Vila
reassign 620458 general thanks On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Josh Triplett wrote: > Package: base-files > Version: 6.1 > Severity: wishlist > > /tmp and /var/lock currently allow writes by anyone, with the sticky bit > set to only allow removal by the owner. Please consider doing the same > for /var/run.

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:30:53 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > Why is that necessary? So far as I can see, the purpose of the state > files is: > - Let ifup refuse to reapply a configuration (even if it failed to > apply it in the first place) > - Allow ifdown to take shortcuts, which often

Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 620458 general Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp Bug reassigned from package 'base-files' to 'general'. Bug No longer marked as found in versions base-files/6.1.

Bug#620980: ITP: libgwibber -- gwibber shared library

2011-04-05 Thread Kartik Mistry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kartik Mistry -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: libgwibber Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Ken VanDine * URL : http://launchpad.net/gwibber * License : LGPL-3 Programming Lang: C, Vala

Making "may not be removed" and "needed

2011-04-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Steve Langasek [110404 19:22]: > If login worked consistently in the face of the configured shell going > missing (automatically falling back to /bin/sh for root), then I think it > would be worthwhile to do the work necessary to remove bash from the > essential set. But until then, the primary

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Luk Claes (04/04/2011): > The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important > is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on bash when > it's used in a package. Which means quite some packages will need to > be changed. What is the most obvious reason to degrade bash to P

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 04/04/2011 01:15 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > most of the work is done by our upstreams, and by simply telling > them "we'll freeze PICK_YOUR_MONTH every even/odd year" will (in the long > term) improve quality of Debian *a lot* more than choosing a random^Wperfect > (and different) date for ev

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:31:40PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2011-04-04 17:31:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:35:10PM +0530, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > It seems to be a common belief between some developers that users should > > > have to read dozens

Bug#620957: marked as done (general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?)

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:32:40 +0100 with message-id <20110405123240.gt2...@decadent.org.uk> and subject line Re: Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories? has caused the Debian Bug report #620957, regarding general: Would you be so kind

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-04-04 17:31:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:35:10PM +0530, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > It seems to be a common belief between some developers that users should > > have to read dozens of pages of documentation before attempting to do > > anything. > > > >

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:16:30PM +0300, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:56:15 +0100 > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > Does this imply that "fixing" ifupdown to query the state(s) via > > > netlink instead of relying on state files would solve most of the > > > problem

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-04-05, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 13:22:29 +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote: >> * Group membership information >> ssh merkel.debian.org id jandd > works on any debian.org machine. Only on public/unrestricted hosts. On other hosts you only get a partial list (i.e. those

Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?

2011-04-05 Thread Ruben
Package: general Severity: wishlist Hello. I would like to see Frandom in the Debian repositories. Frandom is a kernel module for pseudo-random data generation, much as random and urandom, but works incredibly fast. It is currently unmantained. However, is still usefull. You can have a look in

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 13:22 +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote: > I changed an entry in the ddportfolioservice [1] to reflect the new > location to lookup DD assigned debian.net domain names (Paul: thanks > for the Wiki edit). There are some more merkel URLs that stopped > working. Do you know whether t

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Armstrong
On 04/05/2011 05:21 AM, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:09:42PM +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >>> ]] Stanislav Maslovski >>> d-i doesn't use ifupdown, it uses netcfg. >> >> Hm, okay, I was pretty sure J

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:12:09PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, April 04, 2011 12:05:09 PM Neil McGovern wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:38:18AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: > > > One thing that the release team already is improving is communication, > > > > [snip] > > > > > The

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 13:22:29 +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote: > * MIA database information > ssh merkel.debian.org /srv/qa.debian.org/mia/mia-query ja...@debian.org > s/merkel/qa/ > * Group membership information > ssh merkel.debian.org id jandd > works on any debian.org machine. Cheers, J

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:16:30 +0300 "Andrew O. Shadoura" wrote: > Another thing is that they may be ignored when the interface > isn't really 'up', as per kernel. I mean, isn't up when doing ifup, of isn't down when doing ifdown. -- WBR, Andrew signature.asc Description: PGP signature

replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Jan Dittberner
Hi, I changed an entry in the ddportfolioservice [1] to reflect the new location to lookup DD assigned debian.net domain names (Paul: thanks for the Wiki edit). There are some more merkel URLs that stopped working. Do you know whether there are replacements on other Debian hosts? The URLs in quest

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:56:15 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Does this imply that "fixing" ifupdown to query the state(s) via > > netlink instead of relying on state files would solve most of the > > problems? > I expect so, but it would be a very big 'fix'. Well, ifupdown will still need

Re: Bug#620943: ITP: evtest -- utility to monitor input device events

2011-04-05 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:13 +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote: > * Package name: evtest > Version : 1.27 > Upstream Author : Peter Hutterer > * URL : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/evtest/ > * License : GPLv2 > Programming Lang: C > Description : utility to m

Bug#620956: ITP: libdata-amf-perl -- Perl module for serialize / deserialize AMF data

2011-04-05 Thread TANIGUCHI Takaki
Package: wnpp Owner: tak...@debian.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: libdata-amf-perl Version : 0.09-1 Upstream Author : Daisuke Murase * URL or Web page : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Data-AMF/ * License : Perl Description : Perl module for serialize / deserial

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:47:01 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 11:25 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > [...] > > Lintian error (and an ftpmaster REJECT) if a binary package (not just > > a library) has multiarch paths without debhelper compat 9. (This > > protects against uploading p

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 11:25 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: [...] > Lintian error (and an ftpmaster REJECT) if a binary package (not just > a library) has multiarch paths without debhelper compat 9. (This > protects against uploading packages converted with tools like > dpkg-cross -M -A (>= 2.6.3).) [.

Re: Bug#620808: ITP: payyans -- A python utility to convert between ASCII and Unicode.

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 09:41 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > And we already have the 'iconv' and 'recode' commands to do conversion > > between arbitrary character encodings. > > These are not character encodings, but specific fonts. See the >

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No!

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek writes: > Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value. I am > happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's > easy to configure for use on new wireless networks. > > I am not happy that network manager bypasses ifconfig to do this;

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:12:29 +0100 Simon McVittie wrote: > * lintian should warn (error?) if a binary package has libraries in a > multiarch > directory and doesn't pre-depend on multiarch-support > > * lintian should perhaps also warn if a package uses debhelper compat 9 > and doesn't pre-d

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Carsten Hey
* Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: > > Before bash or dash could be made non-essential in a clean way, there > > are IMHO various things not mentioned up to now in this thread to fix: > > > * Fix #428189, either by adapting the

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 at 11:12:54 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runtime > > library in a multiarch directory should declare a Pre-Depends on the > > metapackage 'multiar

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runtime > library in a multiarch directory should declare a Pre-Depends on the > metapackage 'multiarch-support'. And the dependency would be added by either dpkg-dev,

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 05/04/11 04:52, Russ Allbery wrote: > dash doesn't support $LINENO, which is why it's not detected by Autoconf. > The reason why it doesn't support $LINENO (it's intentional; we had a > patch to add it that was then removed) is that the configure.ac files of > many, many packages contain bashism

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 23:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Josselin Mouette writes: >> > Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit : >> >> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that >> >> is better designed. But, due to lack of ma

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Carsten Hey
* Guillem Jover [2011-04-05 06:19 +0200]: > On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 01:08:19 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > This appears to open up any accounts that have been deliberately > > disabled by setting their shell to a nonexistent path. I know that's a > > dumb way to disable an account, but that doesn'

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Goswin von Brederlow writes: > Lars Wirzenius writes: > >> * We can perhaps change debhelper to automatically add the >> dependency, if it is missing. Since most packages use debhelper, >> this might transition most of the packages automatically. > > I've beend thinking abo

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:36:14AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:59:51PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >> > What do others think of moving bash to imp

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:09:42PM +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > ]] Stanislav Maslovski > > > > | AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation > > | process is that its suport of wireless networks

Re: dh_shlibdeps warnings concerning undefined OpenMP symbols

2011-04-05 Thread Dmitry Katsubo
On 31.03.2011 22:16, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> You do need -lgomp. > > You normally don't (need to) link to gomp explicitly. My wild guess is: > Dmitry used -fopenmp while compiling *.o, but not when linking the > shared library. Exactly! Thank you, Jakub, for nice guess. AC_OPENMP() macro documentati

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Stanislav Maslovski > > | AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation > | process is that its suport of wireless networks is very limited: only > | WEP is supported, and there are problems with lost c

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-05 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Jon Dowland wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 07:22:47PM +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: It also can't do VLANs (.1q), bridges, bonds and all possible permutations of the above. I'd speculate that it also wouldn't be able to do things like 1k (or more) interfaces. It also doesn't support hooks to be

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 20:32 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I happened to have access to a idle-ish fastish machine with a fresh-ish > Debian mirror, so I wrote a script to unpack all binaries (for sid/main > amd64), and then another script to grep for bash scripts (actually a > pair of scripts). Wit

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:59:51PM +, Clint Adams wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >> > What do others think of moving bash to important (required and important >> > are part of the base system)? >> >> I t

Bug#620943: ITP: evtest -- utility to monitor input device events

2011-04-05 Thread Stephen Kitt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stephen Kitt * Package name: evtest Version : 1.27 Upstream Author : Peter Hutterer * URL : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/evtest/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C Description : utility to monitor input device

Re: MBF: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2011-04-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:12:42 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:33:24PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > > >> Lintian already checks that *.la files don't contain the problematic > > > >> dependency_libs setting. > > > > This apparently just isn't true. I could have sworn th

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Rens Houben
In other news for Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 08:15:55AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link has been seen typing: > But what many people[1] want is that you can make it work if you read some > dozen pages of documentation. Personally, what I want is a setup that does not drop all active network interfaces during

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Stanislav Maslovski | AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation | process is that its suport of wireless networks is very limited: only | WEP is supported, and there are problems with lost connections. I am | pretty sure that these problems may be addressed without

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 07:08:19AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: > On 05 Apr 00:55, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:03:12PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > > What I do not understand is WHY the Debian Project can not do an install > > > in two steps. I mean installing the