Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be): > > * I don't think we need more than 2 of these. They are still > > useful for servers or when some disaster happens in the GUI, but > > who opens 6 console sessions nowadays? > > I still have 12 console sessions open, and use screen t

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:24:38PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:11:40PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:52:23PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > 2.1 This clause restricts how you can modify the software. > > > Doing a simple modifica

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Michael Goetze
Hi, * Does upstart make things like dynamic allocation of VTs possible? Upstart doesn't do anything special WRT to VTs. You can constantly respawn a getty on /dev/tty3, or you can constantly respawn openvt getty, or you can run a script once saying "assign me a VT" and then s

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread David Claughton
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > As I said: I do not see a difference between a license that does not > give me some right (or even tries to take away some rights copyright law > does not take away) and a license which theoretically grant it but puts > so many restrictions in it that one practically does

Bug#556241: ITP: bangarang -- KDE multimedia player with a lightweight interface

2009-11-14 Thread Ryan Kavanagh
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ryan Kavanagh * Package name : bangarang Version : 1.0~beta1 Upstream Authors : Andrew Lake , Jani Huhtanen * URL : http://gitorious.org/bangarang * License : GPL3+ Programming Lang : C++ Desc

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* David Claughton [091114 20:23]: > AIUI you are allowed to run the program on your computer, assuming that > the service cannot be connected to from a remote location (or you are > the only person that can do so). So I may not put that code into an smtp server, or a webserver or or or without ge

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 03:45:11PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Hi, > > it's been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty > processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn't correspond anymore to > the way we use our machines. > * I don't think we need more than 2 of t

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread David Claughton
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * David Claughton [091114 12:43]: >> I agree this makes the license problematic and might make developers >> choose to avoid working on AGPL code - however as I said above, all >> licenses put some limits on what you can modify, some more than others, >> at least if you w

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette writes: > Hi, > > it’s been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty > processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn’t correspond anymore to > the way we use our machines. > * I don’t think we need more than 2 of these. They are still > use

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 17:42 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : * Josselin Mouette [091114 17:26]: I guess you mean as long as there is no negociation between gdm and whatever decides where gettys go? GDM does try to use a VT that is not currently in use - althoug

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 18:22 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : > * Josselin Mouette [091114 17:58]: > > > So gdm does not negotiate but just claims "first!". > > > > What else can it do? It has to manage its VTs for itself. Currently it > > is simply forced to use the ones starting from tty

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Josselin Mouette [091114 17:58]: > > So gdm does not negotiate but just claims "first!". > > What else can it do? It has to manage its VTs for itself. Currently it > is simply forced to use the ones starting from tty7, but it is arbitrary > and inconsistent. There are those things called 'confi

Re: xulrunner, poppler, gnome and gupnp transitions

2009-11-14 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 15:45 +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: [...] > > Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 12:48 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : [...] > >> - empathy not built on kfreebsd* > > > > It’s waiting on geoclue, which in turn needs disabling of gammu support > > on !linux. > > T

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 17:42 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : > * Josselin Mouette [091114 17:26]: > > > I guess you mean as long as there is no negociation between gdm and > > > whatever decides where gettys go? > > > > GDM does try to use a VT that is not currently in use - although ther

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Josselin Mouette [091114 17:26]: > > I guess you mean as long as there is no negociation between gdm and > > whatever decides where gettys go? > > GDM does try to use a VT that is not currently in use - although there > can be race conditions. So gdm does not negotiate but just claims "first!".

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > * Does upstart make things like dynamic allocation of VTs > > possible? > > * Otherwise, shouldn’t we replace the getty processes started by > > init by a small daemon that can allocate them as we

Re: GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Josselin Mouette, le Sat 14 Nov 2009 15:45:11 +0100, a écrit : > * I don’t think we need more than 2 of these. They are still > useful for servers or when some disaster happens in the GUI, but > who opens 6 console sessions nowadays? Blind people and crazy people who always

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* David Claughton [091114 12:43]: > I agree this makes the license problematic and might make developers > choose to avoid working on AGPL code - however as I said above, all > licenses put some limits on what you can modify, some more than others, > at least if you want to distribute the result.

GDM, getty and VTs

2009-11-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, it’s been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn’t correspond anymore to the way we use our machines. * I don’t think we need more than 2 of these. They are still useful for servers or when some disaster happens

Re: xulrunner, poppler, gnome and gupnp transitions

2009-11-14 Thread Luk Claes
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Hi, and thanks for this much needed inventory. Most of the issues here > were fixed this week. > > Maybe it’s time for a new review? Note that it was only a list of the most obvious blockers. Things I did not look at yet for the gnome transition are RC bugs for instance.

Re: xulrunner, poppler, gnome and gupnp transitions

2009-11-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, and thanks for this much needed inventory. Most of the issues here were fixed this week. Maybe it’s time for a new review? Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 12:48 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : > - gdl not built on hppa which prevents gnome-python-extras from migrating Now built. > - webkit not b

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Bill Allombert: > = Text of the GR === > The Debian project resolves that softwares licensed under the GNU Affero > General Public License are not free according to the Debian Free Software > Guideline. > = End of the text == I think this has to b

Bug#556219: ITP: libalgorithm-permute-perl -- Handy and fast permutation with object oriented interface

2009-11-14 Thread Dario Minnucci (midget)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Dario Minnucci (midget)" -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: libalgorithm-permute-perl Version : 0.12 Upstream Author : Edwin Pratomo * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~edpratomo/Algorithm-Permute-0.

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Mike Hommey: > Stupid question: with this wording of the AGPL, who, in his right mind, > will be licensing a DNS or POP server under this license ? (Except maybe > someone who didn't read it) Someone might take a GPLv3 project, make enhancements to it, publish the combination under the AGPL, an

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread David Claughton
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * David Claughton [091113 21:42]: >> Now this could certainly involve more extensive modifications than you >> might otherwise want to do, and you might well decide it's not worth the >> effort. However I'm still not entirely convinced it makes the license >> non-free. >

Re: xulrunner, poppler, gnome and gupnp transitions

2009-11-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 12:48:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > Hi > > Currently there are 4 rather big transitions going on, none of which is > ready to transition. Following are the things that currently are an > issue or that show why the 4 transitions are coupled: > > * xulrunner: Sorry, I dela

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* David Claughton [091113 21:42]: > Now this could certainly involve more extensive modifications than you > might otherwise want to do, and you might well decide it's not worth the > effort. However I'm still not entirely convinced it makes the license > non-free. If the license makes running a

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