Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:45:25PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: > Again, this is not the language that the AGPL uses. It requires that > "your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with > it remotely through a computer network" the source. Notice the text > "your modifie

Bug#555852: ITP: gmerlin-avdecoder -- general purpose media decoding library

2009-11-11 Thread Fabrice Coutadeur
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Fabrice Coutadeur * Package name: gmerlin-avdecoder Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : Burkhard Plaum * URL : http://gmerlin.sourceforge.net/avdec.html * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : general pu

How are u doing

2009-11-11 Thread Bhaskar Sinha
Hi This is Bhaskar Sinha , busy quizzing and suggest you do the same. I am now an active quizzer on http://www.gnosiomania.mnnit.ac.in/qod/. Its really worth checking out and lots of prizes to be won. I think a quiz buff like you should register here too and get started on answering. Maybe we'

udev debian git repository? [Was: Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27]

2009-11-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Cyril Brulebois writes: > Goswin von Brederlow (11/11/2009): >> Homework: Find out how >> >> I uploaded a 147-2 package which reverts the O_CLOEXEC change and >> allows 2.6.26, let's see if it works. >> >> translates to >> >> I stop using inotify_init1(). > > Easy: > | --- a/udev/ude

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > First, network protocols that "do not allow to display" anything are > abundant, since no network protocol "displays" anything -- clients that > use the protocol do. This is true for HTTP, FTP, SMTP, and whatnot. If you connect to my SMTP server you w

Bug#555846: ITP: pleiades -- Japanese Language package for Eclipse using Dynamic AOP, Pleiades

2009-11-11 Thread Hideki Yamane
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Package name: pleiades Version: 1.3.1 Upstream Author: Shinji Kashihara (柏原 真二) URL: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/mergedoc/ License: Eclipse

Re: The horde of sloppy maintainers is a myth. Maybe not.

2009-11-11 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Playing-with-the-subject-season? Alright. Charles Plessy (12/11/2009): > I do not think that such a list would contain more than 10 names > after removing the MIA DDs. Most of the aggressivity on Debian > Planet, and most of the examples I received in private in the past > point at the same perso

The horde of sloppy maintainers is a myth.

2009-11-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 06:16:03PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois a écrit : > > Packages that are uploaded nowadays and that fail to build > *everywhere* because of missing *trivial* Build-Depends (think > autofoo, pkg-config, libstuff-dev when the package is stuff-related, > etc.) would rather make me th

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 03:20:38PM +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : > > I think it's very wrong to ask core teams to lower the standards of > possible package uploads while noone invests time to create a building > machine that would make source-only uploads possible, even with the > current rules in pl

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45:04PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:43:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > John Goerzen wrote: > > > My suggestion is this: > > > > > > Take the default Firefox user agent. > > > > > > Where you see Firefox/x.y.z, change it to: > > > > > >

Please, no cross-post… ( was : Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2))

2009-11-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Oh no, please, Please, PLEASE, *PLEASE* do not cross-post the discussions between debian-vote and debian-devel. There is no point having separated lists otherwise. Have a nice day, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread brian m. carlson
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:11:40PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:52:23PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > 2.1 This clause restricts how you can modify the software. > > Doing a simple modification to a AGPL-covered software might require > > you to > > write

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >>    -- The code is modified to interact with the user using a network protocol >>       that does not allow to display a prominent offer. > > This is actually your best argument so far, but I don't think it's > completely true either. Yes

Re: RFC: RelaxNG and XML schema schemes packaged for Debian

2009-11-11 Thread Samuel Thibault
Helloo, Daniel Leidert, le Wed 11 Nov 2009 17:36:05 +0100, a écrit : > A question: I'm currently working with relaxNG and found, that we > (Debian) AFAIK don't have the schemes for RNG [1] or XSD [2] packaged. I don't know very much about relaxNG, but I guess you could be interested in the isorel

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:52:23PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > Dear developers, > > I respectfully submit this general resolution proposal to your consideration. > (this GR proposal supersedes the proposal in > <20090318235044.ga30...@yellowpig>) > > Asking for seconds, > (please CC me) > Bil

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Rodrigo Gallardo
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:41:31PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > >-- The code is modified to interact with the user using a network > > protocol > > that does not allow to display a prominent offer. > > Any example of this? One could add an IMAP interface to a blog management system, allow

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Luk Claes
Bill Allombert wrote: > 13. Remote Network Interaction; Use with the GNU General Public License. > > Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify the > Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting > with it remotely through a computer

GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Bill Allombert
Dear developers, I respectfully submit this general resolution proposal to your consideration. (this GR proposal supersedes the proposal in <20090318235044.ga30...@yellowpig>) Asking for seconds, (please CC me) Bill. This General Resolution is made in accordance with Debian Constitution 4.1.5,

Using a perl lib from postinst

2009-11-11 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Hi, I would like to use a perl lib included in postgresql-common from a postinst script. What have I to do ? Call directly from the postinst or write a perl script called from postinst ? Regards, -- Rodolphe Quiédeville - Artisan Logiciel Libre http://rodolphe.quiedeville.org/ Travaillons Libre

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Goswin von Brederlow (11/11/2009): > Homework: Find out how > > I uploaded a 147-2 package which reverts the O_CLOEXEC change and > allows 2.6.26, let's see if it works. > > translates to > > I stop using inotify_init1(). Easy: | --- a/udev/udev-watch.c | +++ b/udev/udev-watch.c | @@

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy (11/11/2009): > my gut feeling (but maybe I start to sound like a broken disk) is > that most “FTBFS” and RC bugs that stay unfixed are more the > signature of abandonned packages than sloppy maintainers. Abandoned packages may start to FTBFS due to changes in their build-dependenc

Re: RFC: RelaxNG and XML schema schemes packaged for Debian

2009-11-11 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Mittwoch, den 11.11.2009, 17:36 +0100 schrieb Daniel Leidert: > Hi, > > A question: I'm currently working with relaxNG and found, that we > (Debian) AFAIK don't have the schemes for RNG [1] or XSD [2] packaged. Well we the files (a few od them) shipped as package data or documentation: relaxn

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Julien Cristau writes: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 16:45:58 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> According to "man 2 open": >> >>O_CLOEXEC (Since Linux 2.6.23) >> >> So why does using this flag require 2.6.27? Who is wrong here? >> > If you'd actually bothered to look at the changes i

RFC: RelaxNG and XML schema schemes packaged for Debian

2009-11-11 Thread Daniel Leidert
Hi, A question: I'm currently working with relaxNG and found, that we (Debian) AFAIK don't have the schemes for RNG [1] or XSD [2] packaged. To validate RNG or XSD schemas, they are necessary. So my question what you would prefer: 1) separate packages for every schema (e.g. relaxng-core, xml-sch

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Raphael Geissert wrote: > I can't think of a better way to stop this ridiculous UA mess. It has to > stop, this silliness has lasted too many years already. A better way would bring on the User-Agent flag day, where all the browser vendors turn off submitting us

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 04:51:49PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 11, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > >O_CLOEXEC (Since Linux 2.6.23) > > So why does using this flag require 2.6.27? Who is wrong here? > I understand that it is needed for inotify_init1(2). That makes more send. The s

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 16:45:58 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > According to "man 2 open": > >O_CLOEXEC (Since Linux 2.6.23) > > So why does using this flag require 2.6.27? Who is wrong here? > If you'd actually bothered to look at the changes in question, you would have noticed t

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 11, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >O_CLOEXEC (Since Linux 2.6.23) > > So why does using this flag require 2.6.27? Who is wrong here? I understand that it is needed for inotify_init1(2). -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Nov 10, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >> Due to changes in udev 147, squeeze will not support kernels earlier >> than 2.6.27. > I uploaded a 147-2 package which reverts the O_CLOEXEC change and allows > 2.6.26, let's see if it works. > > -- > ciao, > Marco Acco

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Raphael Geissert
Adam Majer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:57:22AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: >> I just decided I don't care anymore. So here is a deal to those reading >> this thread. Give me a UA string that: >> - Doesn't claim to be Firefox (i.e keep Iceweasel in it) >> - Is compatible with most crappy site

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread John Goerzen
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:05:47PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45:04PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:43:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: John Goerzen wrote: > Firefox/x.y.z Iceweasel/x.y.z >>> Sounds too Firefox

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 10, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Due to changes in udev 147, squeeze will not support kernels earlier > than 2.6.27. I uploaded a 147-2 package which reverts the O_CLOEXEC change and allows 2.6.26, let's see if it works. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Luk Claes
Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:45:57AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : >> Personally, I think that the extreme trade-off of making source upload >> the default (which seems to be what you are arguing for) would be too >> risky in term of degraded package quality. Look for th

Bug#555730: ITP: tegaki-wagomu -- another recognition engine for tegaki

2009-11-11 Thread LI Daobing
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: LI Daobing * Package name: tegaki-wagomu Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : The Tegaki project contributors * URL : http://www.tegaki.org/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C++, Python Description : another recogn

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread John Goerzen
Adam Majer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:57:22AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: >> I just decided I don't care anymore. So here is a deal to those reading >> this thread. Give me a UA string that: >> - Doesn't claim to be Firefox (i.e keep Iceweasel in it) >> - Is compatible with most crappy sites

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Zitat von Julien Cristau : On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:14:00 -0600, Adam Majer wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:56:16AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 06:08:08PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > Due to changes in udev 147, squeeze will not support kernels earlier > > than

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:45:57AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > Personally, I think that the extreme trade-off of making source upload > the default (which seems to be what you are arguing for) would be too > risky in term of degraded package quality. Look for the "FTBFS" string > in th

Bug#555717: ITP: python-bottle -- fast and simple WSGI-framework for Python

2009-11-11 Thread David Paleino
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: wnpp Version: 0.6.4 Upstream Author: Marcel Hellkamp URL: http://bottle.paws.de/ License: MIT Description: fast and simple WSGI-framework for Python Bottle is a fast and

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2009-11-11 09:42:25 +0100, Michal Čihař wrote: > Sandro Tosi napsal(a): > > As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow > > network connection: if binary packages built by maintainer have to be > > discarded, than *please* allow a way to actually not upload them. > > >

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:14:00 -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:56:16AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 06:08:08PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > Due to changes in udev 147, squeeze will not support kernels earlier > > > than 2.6.27. > > > > What a

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Adam Majer] > Opera does allows per-site configuration of the UA string. Opera lies > a lot in name of compatibility. I believe a complete list of the workarounds in Opera is available from http://www.opera.com/docs/browserjs/>. The version of browser.js used by my Opera is downloaded from http

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-11, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Personally, I think that the extreme trade-off of making source upload > the default (which seems to be what you are arguing for) would be too > risky in term of degraded package quality. Look for the "FTBFS" string > in the current RC bug list, do you th

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:02:39AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:33:42PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Mike Hommey (10/11/2009): > > > Let me suggest adding "(like Firefox/3.5)", but I'm not sure how the > > > crappy sites parsing the version number will deal with the

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:17:05PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > It is *one* way of making sure the archive is consistent. But the idea > behind source-only is to remove the necessity of uploading giant > binaries if they are to be tossed anyway. For example, OpenOffice > revisions, or Linux kernel re

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:20:49PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:05:47PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45:04PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:43:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > > John Goerzen wrote: > > > > >

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > I actually never experienced problems that were not due to my DSL > connection, which means they can happen at any time. In which case I'd > dcut the last file and continue the upload. But when that happens in the > middle of a file that takes

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27 (update bug #549710)

2009-11-11 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
retitle 549710 release-notes: [SQUEEZE] udev drops support for kernels < 2.6.22 (or <2.6.27) thanks The requirement might be raised to 2.6.27 (which is higher that the one in Lenny). See udev maintainer announcement and thread[1]: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 18:08 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote in: > Due

Re: Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Fabian Greffrath
The current Iceweasel UA string is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091028 Iceweasel/3.5.4 (Debian-3.5.4-1)". How about modifying the last (distro-specific) part to read "(like Firefox/3.5.4 Debian-3.5.4-1)"? The browser's similarity to Firefox would be listed amon

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-11-11, Mike Hommey wrote: >> Yes, you're missing at least the lintian checks that happen on ftp-master. > You mean, the ones that should be running on buildd generated packages > anyway ? Sadly there is no easy way to let buildd cope with packages vanishing on ftp-master and not being acc

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:54:38AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > Sandro Tosi wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:42, Michal Čihař wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> Dne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:38 +0100 > >> Sandro Tosi napsal(a): > >> > >>> As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow >

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:52:12AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > You don't have to start over if the upload did not fail in the middle of > a file, but failed right after a file. It may seem unlikely, but I've > had these failures way more often than failures in the middle of a file. > > So if it did

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Luk Claes
Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:42, Michal Čihař wrote: >> Hi >> >> Dne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:38 +0100 >> Sandro Tosi napsal(a): >> >>> As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow >>> network connection: if binary packages built by maintainer have to be >>

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:48:13AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > Michal Čihař wrote: > > Hi > > > > Dne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:38 +0100 > > Sandro Tosi napsal(a): > > > >> As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow > >> network connection: if binary packages built by maintai

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Luk Claes
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:39:38AM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:30, Adam Majer wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 02:58:19PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Adam Majer wrote: > Or here's a radical idea - allow source only

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:42, Michal Čihař wrote: > Hi > > Dne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:38 +0100 > Sandro Tosi napsal(a): > >> As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow >> network connection: if binary packages built by maintainer have to be >> discarded, than *please* al

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Luk Claes
Michal Čihař wrote: > Hi > > Dne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:38 +0100 > Sandro Tosi napsal(a): > >> As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow >> network connection: if binary packages built by maintainer have to be >> discarded, than *please* allow a way to actually not uplo

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:39:38AM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:30, Adam Majer wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 02:58:19PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Adam Majer wrote: > >> > Or here's a radical idea - allow source only uploads of packages.

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:38 +0100 Sandro Tosi napsal(a): > As a personal note, as one of those unlucky people with a very slow > network connection: if binary packages built by maintainer have to be > discarded, than *please* allow a way to actually not upload them. > > I'm in favor of let

Re: Build logs from local builds

2009-11-11 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:30, Adam Majer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 02:58:19PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Adam Majer wrote: >> > Or here's a radical idea - allow source only uploads of packages. >> >>         And thus allow people to upload without ever building

Re: Minimal kernel version raised to 2.6.27

2009-11-11 Thread Adam Majer
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:56:16AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 06:08:08PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > Due to changes in udev 147, squeeze will not support kernels earlier > > than 2.6.27. > > What are these changes? Seems it is related to signalfd4 syscall. - Adam

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-11 Thread Adam Majer
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:57:22AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > I just decided I don't care anymore. So here is a deal to those reading > this thread. Give me a UA string that: > - Doesn't claim to be Firefox (i.e keep Iceweasel in it) > - Is compatible with most crappy sites on earth[1] (i.e. Test