Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On Tuesday 28 April 2009 05:11:26 Russ Allbery wrote: > Noah Slater writes: > > As far as I see it: > > > > * Debian has dropped the Reply-To header because it is "harmful" in > > some way. > > > > * Debian has mandated that all replies must behave as if Reply-To > > existed. > > If this w

Re: Should we still purge GConf schemas from the old directory?

2009-04-27 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 22:47 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > It would be nice if packages that provided these files at one time would > take responsibility for cleaning them up now, late that it is. I'm not sure > this could sensibly be done as a debconf snippet though. Its not clear that all thes

Re: Ideas for user-visible changes in Squeeze?

2009-04-27 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 18:08 +1200, Francois Marier wrote: > I created a page to collect ideas on new user-visible changes that could be > rolled into Squeeze. > Please put your thoughts on the wiki: > > http://wiki.debian.org/UserVisibleChangesInSqueeze > > Who knows, some of these could even

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue,28.Apr.09, 03:09:52, Noah Slater wrote: > > Many of the more popular MUAs on your list have this command > > Can you name any others apart from mutt that come with this by default? Reply in Claws-Mail (and Sylpheed) does the right thing by default (Reply-to-List if it detects a list, Re

Re: Thoughts on keeping a 3.0 (quilt) package in RCS

2009-04-27 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Hello Goswin, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > I recently converted a few quilt using local packages to the new 3.0 > (quilt) format. Additionaly those packages are kept in an RCS > (mercurial here). Now the problem is: How to version control them? > [...] You might be interested by [1]... [1] h

Ideas for user-visible changes in Squeeze?

2009-04-27 Thread Francois Marier
I created a page to collect ideas on new user-visible changes that could be rolled into Lenny. Infrastructure-related changes are fine, but the ideas collected on that page are about new things which Debian could bring to Squeeze which aren't coming from upstream. Examples from the past: - apt

O: php-elisp -- Emacs support for php files

2009-04-27 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Hi I hereby orphan the php-elisp package. I have not had enough time to maintain it well and think other people may be interested in it. A new upstream version fix a few things so that is likely the first thing to do for a new prosper developer. Best regards, // O

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread William Pitcock
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:05 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: > > Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. > > As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means > to > enforce it (either pure

Re: Should we still purge GConf schemas from the old directory?

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:52:14AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > a long time ago, packages using GConf used to ship schemas > in /etc/gconf/schemas. Now, they are moved to /usr/share/gconf/schemas. > However, during upgrades, dpkg would let the old file in place since it > was a conffile. This

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:53:12AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Noah Slater writes: > > > Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument > > is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian > > lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very often. > > No

Re: About symbol versioning, soname bumps and symbols files.

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:43:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > The generated, new symbols file looks something like: Why exactly is this file "generated", and how? Symbols files don't work very well if they aren't being deliberately maintained; it would be much simpler to just use shlibs in t

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:59:53PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > The appropriate fields *are* set: the mailing list sets the RFC 2369 > fields for replies to the list, and the author sets the From and > (optionally) the Reply-To fields for replies to the sender. The appropriate fields are set, I neve

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:54:56PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Well, “like you have been doing” means *not* using it, even in this > thread, so I find the above rather difficult to believe — especially > because “I forgot” is even less plausible in the context of this > thread where you've been expl

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Brian May
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:10:14PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > I tried hard, for many years, to love the Mail-Followup-To field, but I > must agree that it doesn't serve the purpose well enough to recommend. > (Briefly: it breaks when a discussion crosses between different mailing > lists, and other

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater writes: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:35:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt > > > > Perfectly well defined. > > An interesting riposte for those arguing the opposite IETF angle. Interesting in that

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney writes: > Is this so hard, people? We have large brains evolved in part > precisely for the purpose of figuring out the protocols of > communication and applying them moment to moment. If you don't want to > decide in a given instance whether you want to respond publicly or > privately

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater writes: > If this is such a concern, I would like to see the Code of Conduct > updates to recommend that people concerned with follow up emails set > the appropriate headers in their own clients. This was detailed > earlier in this thread. The appropriate fields *are* set: the mailin

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater writes: > I am not saying anything like "I will not obey the Code of Conduct > because it is stupid" but rather something like "I will try my best, > like I have been doing, but I know I will continue to fail." Well, “like you have been doing” means *not* using it, even in this threa

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Brian May writes: > IIRC Thunderbird use to have a reply to list command, but I can't find > it anymore :-(. The bug has been open since 2000, and has recently seen activity again https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715>. Meanwhile Debian's Thunderbird is apparently patched already t

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:35:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt > > Perfectly well defined. An interesting riposte for those arguing the opposite IETF angle. If adherence to standards is so important, surely it's

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 08:41:14PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:42:04PM +, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > > Hi Maintainer, > > rejected, i think we are missing the source for the pdf in doc/. > Almost two monthes of waiting to read this… What was the license on the PD

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:16:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : > > If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me about > > that > > more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set Mail-Followup-To

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
Ben Finney a écrit : > Noah Slater writes: > >> Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument >> is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian >> lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very often. > > No, the point of a ‘reply to list’ command i

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Bjørn Mork writes: > I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g. > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html A stronger, and simpler, case is made by http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful/> which notes that the newer IETF standards make it much c

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 03:09 +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Those MUAs already *do* the right thing when a user presses “reply to > > author” (sometimes just called “reply”): they reply to the author or, > > if the author sets a ‘Reply-To’

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater writes: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> Many of the more popular MUAs on your list have this command already, > Can you name any others apart from mutt that come with this by default? Gnus has a version of it. It doesn't work quite the way that mutt

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : > > If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me > > about that more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set > > Mail-Followup-To > > Mail-Followup-To is: > A. Use

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:11:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > The primary problem with setting Reply-To is that it makes private > replies extremely difficult (in clients that honor the RFC-defined > meaning of the header field, at least) and significantly increases the > chances that private rep

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater writes: > As far as I see it: > > * Debian has dropped the Reply-To header because it is "harmful" in > some way. > > * Debian has mandated that all replies must behave as if Reply-To existed. If this were the case, this would be an easy solution. However, it's not. Debian

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater writes: > You're arguing that a Reply-To header is "harmful" (not that I am > convinced) That field is very useful. What's harmful is mailing-list software munging that field, which is for the author to set and for nothing else to fiddle with. -- \ “Saying that Java is nice b

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Those MUAs already *do* the right thing when a user presses “reply to > author” (sometimes just called “reply”): they reply to the author or, > if the author sets a ‘Reply-To’ field, to the author's chosen reply > address from that field

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:53:12AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > No, the point of a ‘reply to list’ command is you *don't* have to > remember when to use it. Just use it every time you reply to any list, > and it will DTRT because it uses the standard fields which are in just > about every mailing lis

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Frank Lin PIAT writes: > This thread will come over again and again until: […] > 4. The following MUA are fixed to behave "properly" when a user >press "reply": Those MUAs already *do* the right thing when a user presses “reply to author” (sometimes just called “reply”): they reply to the a

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Holger Levsen writes: > Dear lazylist, > > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: > > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, > > does someone know why? In brief: because that field is for the *sender* to set, if they want; and the mailing list software has no business touc

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:34:49AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: > /me had to use 'L' on Debians default MUA for the reply-to-list. It's all very well having a feature like this, but if that feature is easy to forget because Debian's lists are the only ones that want me use it, it's hardly of any real

Re: debconf templates: Choices displayed different to values

2009-04-27 Thread Lucas Brasilino
Hi Frans: >> Template: foo/bar >> Type: select >> Choices: left, right, center >> Display-Choices: "Wanna go left ?", "Wanna go right ?", "Wanna go straight?" > > "Choices-C" does exactly what you want (supported in Etch and later): > > Template: foo/bar > Type: select > Choices-C: left, right, ce

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater writes: > Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument > is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian > lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very often. No, the point of a ‘reply to list’ command is you *don't* have to remember w

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Karl Goetz
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:23:33 +0200 Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:48 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: > > Hi > > > > Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 > > Noah Slater napsal(a): > > > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, meaning that > > > by default my email clien

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:16:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > C. Only supported by a handful of clients A number of clients won't automatically generate the header, but may still support it for group replies. I think this might include Evolution and Thunderbid (although it was a while s

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-27 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> Hal checks the drive capabilities and shouldn't be polling drives that > >> support async notifications. Is that code not working for you? > > > > It is working fine,

Bug#525937: ITP: refdbg -- GObject Refcount Debugger

2009-04-27 Thread Jonny Lamb
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonny Lamb X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: refdbg Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Josh Green * URL : http://refdbg.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPLv2 Description : GObject Refcount Debug

Re: debconf templates: Choices displayed different to values

2009-04-27 Thread Frans Pop
Lucas Brasilino wrote: > Template: foo/bar > Type: select > Choices: left, right, center > Display-Choices: "Wanna go left ?", "Wanna go right ?", "Wanna go straight?" "Choices-C" does exactly what you want (supported in Etch and later): Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices-C: left, right, cent

Thoughts on keeping a 3.0 (quilt) package in RCS

2009-04-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, I recently converted a few quilt using local packages to the new 3.0 (quilt) format. Additionaly those packages are kept in an RCS (mercurial here). Now the problem is: How to version control them? The new format allows one to just edit the source and build it. No creation of patches neccessa

Re: Should we still purge GConf schemas from the old directory?

2009-04-27 Thread Marius Vollmer
Josselin Mouette writes: > I’m considering asking for the removal of this snippet, since it is only > useful for those having upgraded a pre-woody system all along. While I’m > one of those doing that, I’m not sure there are as many people like > that, and I guess they could live with some file l

debconf templates: Choices displayed different to values

2009-04-27 Thread Lucas Brasilino
Hi Hope be posting at the right list. I've been googling around and couldn't find a way to make debconf when using type 'select' template to display strings different that goes to backend. For example, some thing like: Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices: left, right, center Display-Choices:

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:48 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: > Hi > > Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 > Noah Slater napsal(a): > > > * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that > > mandate, or > > even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in my time, >

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread James Vega
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:19:54PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:36:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:05:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from > > > > unstable/amd64) rendered as M

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:36:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:05:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from > > > unstable/amd64) rendered as Markdown using render-dctrl is now > > > available at http://upsilon.cc/~

Re: lxde: Does not support the Debian Menu

2009-04-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 23:51 +0800, Andrew Lee a écrit : > The upstream developer of LXDE told me compared to the fd.o app menu, > debian menu uses more resource, but provide no usability improvement. Yes, the Debian menu sucks, but adding it to a fd.o menu implementation is trivial using menu-x

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:05:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from > > unstable/amd64) rendered as Markdown using render-dctrl is now > > available at http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/longdesc-mdwn/ . It is > > weekly re-generated. Anybody who spots

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> If you ask me things are quite clear: From a Debian point of view the > source includes *.orig.tar.gz, *.dsc and *.diff. The files are connected > via md5sum in *.dsc. So shipping the source of a PDF in the diff should > be acceptable from a Debian point of view (even if it would be nice to >

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:19:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:34:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > If nobody from -policy objects, I'll submit it tomorrow. > > Sounds good. > > Done: #525843. Discussion can continue in that bug log now, I guess. >

Re: autoconf2.13

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Pfaff
Zack Weinberg writes: > Ben Pfaff wrote: >> (Maybe it's time to get rid of the autoconf2.13 package >> altogether, come to think of it.) > > It's still needed for just about everything put out by Mozilla, alas > (iceweasel et al, obviously, but also libnspr and libnss, which are > not just used b

Re: lxde: Does not support the Debian Menu

2009-04-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:51:50PM +0800, Andrew Lee wrote: > debian menu uses more resource, but provide no usability improvement. > And most of the items from Debian menu are already in fd.o app menu. So > that the debian menu would possibly be deprecated. > > Maybe it's time for debian to add p

lxde: Does not support the Debian Menu

2009-04-27 Thread Andrew Lee
Dear Daniel, The upstream developer of LXDE told me compared to the fd.o app menu, debian menu uses more resource, but provide no usability improvement. And most of the items from Debian menu are already in fd.o app menu. So that the debian menu would possibly be deprecated. Maybe it's time for d

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:48:50PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > I fully agree with this. I think having to remember which key one must > use in each context for "r"eply is lame. This is why I do in my ~/.muttrc: [...] > Where l/debian is the folder which contains Debian lists, and it allows > to a

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:09:19PM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: > On 27 Apr 15:41, Noah Slater wrote: > > You're arguing that a Reply-To header is "harmful" (not that I am > > convinced) and > > Think of the occasions when you actually do want to do an offlist reply - it's > not that uncommon - havi

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Noah Slater (Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:10:17 +0100): > Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument > is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian > lists I fully agree with this. I think having to remember which key one must use in each context for "r"

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote: Wow, that's a lot of work! I certainly won't ask you to do it all over again. No, not really. I might replace just the markdown by the reST call. That's probabyl quite cheap and I might try this in the next couple of days even while beeing under s

Bug#525872: ITP: evolution-mapi -- Exchange support for the Evolution groupware suite

2009-04-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Josselin Mouette * Package name: evolution-mapi Version : 0.26.1 Upstream Author : Johnny Jacob * URL : http://www.go-evolution.org/MAPIProvider * License : LGPL 2.1/3 Programming Lang: C Description : Exchange

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Brett Parker
On 27 Apr 15:41, Noah Slater wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:19:08PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > > Noah Slater wrote: > > > Either you avoid Reply-To because it is "harmful" and accept that you > > > will get > > > carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of

Bug#525863: ITP: lxmenu-data -- freedesktop.org menu specification required files for LXDE

2009-04-27 Thread Andrew Lee
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Lee * Package name: lxmenu-data Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Hong Jen Yee (PCMan) * URL : http://lxde.org/ * License : (GPL) Programming Lang: (XML) Description : freedesktop.org menu specification requ

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > Mail-Followup-To is: > A. Useless junk without clear semantics > B. Violating standards Which standards would that be? Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@li

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:19:08PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Noah Slater wrote: > > Either you avoid Reply-To because it is "harmful" and accept that you will > > get > > carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of modern > > mail > > clients, or you include t

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:12:45PM +0200, Andreas Tille was heard to say: > On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote: > >> I would prefer Restructured Text, for the simple reason that it has an >> actual specification with a fairly complete description of its syntax >> and semantics. > > I do n

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Noah Slater wrote: > Either you avoid Reply-To because it is "harmful" and accept that you will get > carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of modern > mail > clients, or you include the "harmful" Reply-To header and avoid it. > > What am I missing? This seems too obvio

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : > If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me about > that > more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set Mail-Followup-To and > hope > for the next poster's mailclient to support that header. Wh

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:33:06 + Clint Adams napsal(a): > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: > > Definitely not the only one which mandates this. > > Please list others so I can mock them. For example Mutt lists I mentioned. I saw the same rule in Frugalware an

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Noah Slater writes: > * I don't know much about mailing list software, so I'm not going to be as > bold as to suggest I know what the solution is. However, on all the other > lists, I never get duplicate copies of email when people reply to me with > an > unnecessary CC. Perhaps th

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: > Definitely not the only one which mandates this. Please list others so I can mock them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:06:01PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:03:10PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: > > > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, > > > does someone know why? > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/re

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:34:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > If nobody from -policy objects, I'll submit it tomorrow. > Sounds good. Done: #525843. Discussion can continue in that bug log now, I guess. Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from unstable/amd64) rendered a

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Holger Levsen writes: > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: >> * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, > > does someone know why? I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Those not wanting redund

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: > > * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that > > mandate, or > > even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in my time, > > and my > > current list of mailing list subscriptions stands

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:03:10PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: > > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, > does someone know why? http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Dear lazylist, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. Dude, chill out. Intere

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:39:15PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, meaning that by default my > email client wants to send replies to individual posters. To get the > mailing > list included in the reply means that I have to reply to all. It'

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Michael Tautschnig
> Hi, > > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: > > Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. > > As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means > to > enforce it (either pure social or aided by technology), it will continue to > h

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 Noah Slater napsal(a): > * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that mandate, > or > even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in my time, and > my > current list of mailing list subscriptions stands at 73.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:05:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: > > Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. > > As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means to > enforce it (either pure

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > >> FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. > > Dude, chill out. > > Interestingly you did it again, igno

Bug#525833: ITP: libcss-blueprint -- Blueprint CSS library

2009-04-27 Thread Thomas Koch
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Koch * Package name: libcss-blueprint Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Olav Bjorkoy? (Question to upstream) * URL : http://www.blueprintcss.org/ * License : MIT (modified) (Question to debian-mentors) Programmin

ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: > Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means to enforce it (either pure social or aided by technology), it will continue to happen. regards,

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> Hal checks the drive capabilities and shouldn't be polling drives that >> support async notifications. Is that code not working for you? > > It is working fine, thanks for the head's up about it disabling the p

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. > Dude, chill out. Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. Kind regards, Philipp Kern -- To UNSUB

Bug#525811: ITP: menu-cache -- an implementation of the freedesktop menu specification for LXDE

2009-04-27 Thread Andrew Lee
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Lee * Package name: menu-cache Version : 0.2.4 Upstream Author : Hong Jen Yee (PCMan) * URL : http://lxde.org/ * License : (GPL) Programming Lang: (C) Description : an implementation of the freedesktop men

Re: Linux-libre for Debian Lenny

2009-04-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:48:27AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:41 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > #494120 and #494122. > [...] > I disagree with these as the tables in question are easily small enough > to be a plausible preferred form for modification. Indeed; this is

[Fwd: RFP: ingex -- tapeless television production software]

2009-04-27 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
reportbug forgot to CC it to d-devel... Original Message Subject: RFP: ingex -- tapeless television production software Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:47:26 +0200 From: Bernd Zeimetz To: Debian Bug Tracking System Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ingex Upstr