Re: Multiarch and idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-06 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Neil Williams (Please respect my Mail-Followup-To and my Mail-Copies-To: never) | On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 08:33 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | | > How would you then handle libraries that go in /lib? (Apart from the | > fact that I think just using a subdirectory of /usr/lib is much neater | >

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:41:30 -0400 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > > fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the > > matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper > > subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk app

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-06 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Bernd Eckenfels | In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: | > Why are all of you talking as though sending SIGTERM were not the | > standard way to tell a process to save its state and exit gracefully? | | Thats not the point. It is a quesion of sequence. When you get the killall5 | sigterm,

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 18:52:35 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: >> fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the >> matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper >> subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk application

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 05:14:44PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:39:37AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > You don't seem to request ipv4 addresses, you request AF_UNSPEC, which > > should get you both ipv4 and ipv6. You get 127.0.0.1 twice, and ::1 one > > time. > > Yo

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Steve Langasek a écrit : > Hi folks, > > I've run across an ipv4/ipv6 configuration issue which I think needs to have > light cast on it so we can try to resolve this in time for lenny (whatever > the right resolution actually is), in order to avoid a pile-up of > /etc/hosts-related kludges as has

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Just for example, I recently orphaned xgalaga, so its new maintainers > decided to do something about #432398, which I had been sitting on for > some time as this issue was not resolved. Now I check my gnome machine > and it h

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-06 Thread William Pitcock
On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 17:14 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > As for DNS, at least in the case of bind I find that duplicate records > are > weeded out by the server. If you can suggest a DNS server that would > not > condense the duplicate records, I'd be happy to test to see what the > behavior

Re: Bug#431066: install network/ip-up.d script to check for IP duplicates

2008-07-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 08:03:13PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 29, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Note that duplicate IPs can be very harmful and even cause loss of data. > > For > Come on, how often this happens? And it's disabled by default anyway. > The major effect of

Re: tarball in tarball: opinions

2008-07-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 08:17:21PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Jay Berkenbilt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080705 18:22]: > > * I like to have an exact copy of the downloaded source tarball with > >the same md5 checksum, gpg detached signature, etc. Using the > >rules/tarball.mk from cdbs

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:39:37AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > You don't seem to request ipv4 addresses, you request AF_UNSPEC, which > should get you both ipv4 and ipv6. You get 127.0.0.1 twice, and ::1 one > time. You'll find that the duplication of 127.0.0.1 is still there if you specify AF_I

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 03:09:09PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've run across an ipv4/ipv6 configuration issue which I think needs to have > light cast on it so we can try to resolve this in time for lenny (whatever > the right resolution actually is), in order to avoid a pile-up

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:13:30 +0700 Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did > gyre and gimble: > > JH> So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random > JH> assortment of the menu items that also appear in

Bug#489587: ITP: python-scriptutil -- Python module which provides the functionality of find and grep

2008-07-06 Thread Matthew Johnson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Source package: python-scriptutil Binary package(s): python-scriptutil Version: 1 Licence: BSD Author: Muharem Hrnjadovic

correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-06 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi folks, I've run across an ipv4/ipv6 configuration issue which I think needs to have light cast on it so we can try to resolve this in time for lenny (whatever the right resolution actually is), in order to avoid a pile-up of /etc/hosts-related kludges as has been known to happen before... In r

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-07-06, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of >> > the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE >> > menu and Qt/KDE - in Gnome one). >> >> The users should have equal access to good progra

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2008-07-06, Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter > > of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of > > the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gt

Re: Strange file problem

2008-07-06 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Andrea Ferraresi wrote: > Hello folks, > i have some trouble about a strange file problem experienced after > a filesystem [ReiserFS] crash. > In the /var/run directory I have 3 files (sshd.pid, sudo, motd) that cannot > be accessed in any way. I try to remove it but rm -f returns a > "permission d

Re: Bug#431066: install network/ip-up.d script to check for IP duplicates

2008-07-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 29, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note that duplicate IPs can be very harmful and even cause loss of data. For Come on, how often this happens? And it's disabled by default anyway. The major effect of this patch is to waste time on almost every system every time *any* interfac

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-07-06, Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter > of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of > the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE > menu and Qt/KDE - i

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Joey Hess
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter > of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of > the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE > menu and Qt/KDE - in Gnome one). That might work for

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread James Vega
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:08:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current > > situation is the best: > > * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still > > hunting down entries tha

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: JH> So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random JH> assortment of the menu items that also appear in the debian menu. fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the mat

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current > situation is the best: > * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still > hunting down entries that are useless to make them not show up > by default; >

Re: RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-06 Thread Neil Williams
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > working on dpkg reminded me that I wanted to propose a better > diversion and alternatives handling for debian packages. Currently > they have to be manually added and removed in the maintainer > scripts. This method is prone to errors and can easily leave > diversions

Re: tarball in tarball: opinions

2008-07-06 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Thanks for all the input on tarball within tarball. I will stop using that format for all my packages with the possible exception of ICU which contains its own debian directory. I was aware of the fact that dpkg-source handles the tarball nnot extracting to package-version and have, in fact, adv

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:28:15 +0200, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current situation is the best: * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still hunting down entries that are useless to

Re: Bug#426877: Clarify what "sensible behaviour" is for init scripts

2008-07-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2008/7/6 Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > No those are functions... the main code runs without "set -e" and thus doesn't > fail on the error and the return value of the function is checked: > >do_start >case "$?" in >0|1) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 0

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 02:42 -0400, Daniel Dickinson a écrit : > Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and > cover most users of desktops in debian. > > They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu. The last time this discussion was raised up, the cle

Bug#489507: ITP: icu4j -- unicode and globalization library

2008-07-06 Thread Michael Koch
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: icu4j Version : 3.8.1 Upstream Author : IBM Corp. and ICU Team * URL : http://icu-project.org/ * License : ICU License Programming Lang: Java Description : unicode

Re: Bug#426877: Clarify what "sensible behaviour" is for init scripts

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: > > Note that /etc/init.d/skeleton, on which many init scripts in Debian are > > based, handles this case correctly without using --oknodo. > > Are you sure? These are the "start" and "stop" sections of skeleton > file in a Debian Etch: No those are

Re: Bug#426877: Clarify what "sensible behaviour" is for init scripts

2008-07-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
> Note that /etc/init.d/skeleton, on which many init scripts in Debian are > based, handles this case correctly without using --oknodo. Are you sure? These are the "start" and "stop" sections of skeleton file in a Debian Etch: - do_start() { # Return # 0 if daemon ha

Re: Strange file problem

2008-07-06 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Andrea Ferraresi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello folks, > i have some trouble about a strange file problem experienced after > a filesystem [ReiserFS] crash. > In the /var/run directory I have 3 files (sshd.pid, sudo, motd) that cannot > be accessed in any way. I try to remove it but rm -f returns a

Strange file problem

2008-07-06 Thread Andrea Ferraresi
Hello folks, i have some trouble about a strange file problem experienced after a filesystem [ReiserFS] crash. In the /var/run directory I have 3 files (sshd.pid, sudo, motd) that cannot be accessed in any way. I try to remove it but rm -f returns a "permission denied" message sshd doesn't work but

Re: Bug#426877: dpkg: Option "--oknodo" should be the default behaviour for "start-stop-daemon" (LSB specs)

2008-07-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:13:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 10:58:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> > THanks, I could come up with a transition plan myself if needed. But >> > compare your suggestions with: "so

Re: tarball in tarball: opinions

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(some of the answers/facts have already been given, but I reply anyway to also give my personal opinion) On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > * I like to have an exact copy of the downloaded source tarball with >the same md5 checksum, gpg detached signature, etc. Using the That shou