Work-needing packages report for Aug 5, 2005

2005-08-04 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 176 (new: 20) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 104 (new: 2) Total number of packages reques

Re: RFC: allow new upstream into stable when it's the only way to fix security issues.

2005-08-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:37:11 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >On Aug 01, "W. Borgert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 10:07:10PM +, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: >> > But how do you push the users to remove the package from their >> > systems? In reality they will

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Henrique de Moraes Holschuh] > > I will probably drop arts support on the floor to be able to be > > happy once again (also known as not needing to care about a > > dependency hell the size of a small mountain to add almost no useful > > functional

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Miles Bader
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy >> >> prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: > >> > In that case, the description needs to be fixed. > >> Why? > > Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. "Spam", as I understa

Re: Usability: Technical details in package descriptions?

2005-08-04 Thread John Hasler
Peter Samuelson writes: > There is no need for dumbing down descriptions for things non-technical > users aren't going to be selecting anyway. One can be a highly technical user of a package without knowing (or caring) squat about the language it is implemented in. Descriptions should focus on th

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Goswin" == Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> One can't even claim that using 'kernel-image*' will confuse > >> the users of the *BSD or Hurd ports, because those packages > >> simply won't be in their Package files, wi

Re: Usability: Technical details in package descriptions?

2005-08-04 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Dustin Harriman] > 1) Package descriptions should tend towards readers like grandma by > default (ie. are as general as possible by default), and What about the majority of packages in Debian? You know, the ones your hypothetical ancestor would never wish to install explicitly, under any circum

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Thomas Bushnell: > >> You are confusing "unwelcome" with "unsolicited." It's not solicited. > > Few messages which begin new threads on Debian mailing lists are > solicited. That's right. Few are commercial either, though Bruce's certainly was th

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Brian May
> "Goswin" == Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> One can't even claim that using 'kernel-image*' will confuse >> the users of the *BSD or Hurd ports, because those packages >> simply won't be in their Package files, will they? There may be good reasons to install

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... > > [snip] >> I would have suggested using > >> kernel-hurt-image > ^ > Ouch. > > ;-) Pun intended. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a s

Bug#321293: ITP: cl-yacc -- a parser generator for Common Lisp

2005-08-04 Thread Rene van Bevern
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: René van Bevern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: cl-yacc Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/cl-yacc/ * License : MIT/X Description

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20050804T200629+0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 07:47:18PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > > > And yes, I expect that all messages reported will need to be manually > > reviewed to avoid deleting good mails from the archive. > > It would be cool if we could c

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 07:47:18PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > And yes, I expect that all messages reported will need to be manually > reviewed to avoid deleting good mails from the archive. It would be cool if we could create a spam-reporting alias similar to what Spamcop does that would make i

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... [snip] > I would have suggested using > kernel-hurt-image ^ Ouch. ;-) -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | sarge,| youmustbejoking | Northumberland | RISC OS | demon co uk | To

Re: Public service announcement about Policy 10.4

2005-08-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 04, Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I would appreciate it if someone would create the "potash" shell, > >> consisting of posh modified to implement "test -a", "test -o" and > >> "local". Debian would probably run on that well enough for it to > >> be used as /bin/sh, and it

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 04-Aug-05, 05:09 (CDT), Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Steve Greenland wrote: >> > I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd >> > users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting >> > from

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 August 2005 19:07, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > I wonder, what does the web interface do at all? I have reported > lots of spam (I reviewed all of July) but the spam is still there > in the mailing list archives. As you know this is a very new feature. At the moment data

Re: Public service announcement about Policy 10.4

2005-08-04 Thread Andreas Metzler
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 01, Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would appreciate it if someone would create the "potash" shell, >> consisting of posh modified to implement "test -a", "test -o" and >> "local". Debian would probably run on that well enough for it to

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-04 19:08]: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 12:29:57PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > Hi, > > there is the possibility to mark mails via the list archive > > web interface as spam. Is there a possibility to do this via > > a mail gateway with

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Thomas Bushnell: > You are confusing "unwelcome" with "unsolicited." It's not solicited. Few messages which begin new threads on Debian mailing lists are solicited. I don't think Bruce's message qualifies for the $2,000 fee. On the other hand, we shouldn't turn debian-devel into a general pa

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 12:29:57PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > there is the possibility to mark mails via the list archive > web interface as spam. Is there a possibility to do this via > a mail gateway with the message id? > regards nico I wonder, what does the web interface do at all? I hav

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: > * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy >> >> prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: > >> > In that case, the description needs to be fixed. > >> Why? > > Because

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And to boot, an e-mail calling for curriculae for a recruiting party > is on-topic to a DEVELOPERS list, and not Unsolicited by those of us > (like myself) that could use a new, better, job and for those of us > that could use ANY job at all.

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
** Andreas Barth :: > * Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 18:48]: > > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: > > >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing > li

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 18:48]: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: > >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy > >> >> prohibits UBE, n

Re: Bug#321178: ITP: x3270 -- IBM 3270 terminal emulator for the X Window System

2005-08-04 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Lior Kaplan guides.co.il> writes: > > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Lior Kaplan guides.co.il> > > * Package name: x3270 > Version : 3.3.4 > Upstream Author : Paul Mattes > * URL : http://x3270.bgp.nu > * License : other > Description : IBM

Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?

2005-08-04 Thread Maykel Moya
Is somebody working on porting/packaging FDS to Debian? Regards, maykel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy >> >> prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: > >> > In that case, the description needs to be fixed

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Paul Brossier
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 11:34:16AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 04, Paul Brossier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would also like to understand. 2.6.12 being available doesn't help. > > The package remains un-upgradable from sarge or etch. > Sarge or etch do not have newer versions of ud

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Paul Brossier
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 04:28:44AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > This one still depends on an untransitioned C++ library: > linuxsampler (libgig) libgig is in NEW. cheers, piem -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 04-Aug-05, 05:09 (CDT), Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote: > > I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd > > users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting > > from scratch, I'd be all for it. But at this point, it'

Bug#321252: ITP: cl-lw-compat -- LispWorks Compatibility Library

2005-08-04 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Van Eynde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: cl-lw-compat Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Pascal Costanza * URL : http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/ * License : MIT-style Description : LispWorks Compatibil

Bug#321253: ITP: cl-closer-mop -- Cross implementation AMOP library

2005-08-04 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Van Eynde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: cl-closer-mop Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Pascal Costanza * URL : http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/ * License : MIT-style Description : Cross implementatio

Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

2005-08-04 Thread Max Vozeler
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:46:20PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Max Vozeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cdtool The debconf question will be dropped in next upload. It asks about the /dev/cdrom symlink that is created elsewhere nowadays. cheers, Max -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy > >> prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: > > In that case, the description needs to be fixed. > Why? Because the intent is obviously to for

Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

2005-08-04 Thread Julien BLACHE
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, you don't need the dependency even in that case. You can just make >> the code only to run if there is debconf installed. > > Good call. I thought Julien meant removing the "purge old stuff from the > database", and not just the depend

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Miles Bader
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy >> prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: > > In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? -miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a su

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:11:47 -0300]: > On Thu, 04 Aug 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > timidity > FTBFS with gcc 4.0, I am on it. I will probably drop arts support on the > floor to be able to be happy once again (also known as not needing to > care about a dependenc

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh] > I will probably drop arts support on the floor to be able to be > happy once again (also known as not needing to care about a > dependency hell the size of a small mountain to add almost no useful > functionality whatsoever to timidity), if KDE does not transition >

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > timidity FTBFS with gcc 4.0, I am on it. I will probably drop arts support on the floor to be able to be happy once again (also known as not needing to care about a dependency hell the size of a small mountain to add almost no useful functionality wh

Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

2005-08-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050803 12:51]: > > On Wed, 03 Aug 2005, Julien BLACHE wrote: > > > I'll drop the dependency on debconf on these two packages, as it's > > > only used to purge some old debconf questions from the database.

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Michelle, * Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-04 12:48]: > Am 2005-08-04 12:29:57, schrieb Nico Golde: > > Hi, > > there is the possibility to mark mails via the list archive > > web interface as spam. Is there a possibility to do this via > > a mail gateway with the message id?

Re: controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
I do not know, wheter it is possibel for Debian, but I am using fetchmail on my FileServer where I have courier-imap to read the mesages. I have made a mutt-macro and a little BASH script which send the message back to my FileServer whose rescan the message automaticly as SPAM. I think, there is

controlling spam via mail interface?

2005-08-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, there is the possibility to mark mails via the list archive web interface as spam. Is there a possibility to do this via a mail gateway with the message id? regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VI

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Thomas Hood
Steve Greenland wrote: > I know what the rationale is: to avoid offending the *BSD and Hurd > users, because, ya know, they have kernels too. And if we were starting > from scratch, I'd be all for it. But at this point, it's just a stupid > annoying change that makes it hard for people to find upd

Re: building own package

2005-08-04 Thread Shrikant Gangoda
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 08:12 PM, Tomas Davidek wrote: Yes, this is exactly the problem - the *.orig.tar.gz should be unpacked, but apparently it is not. When I have in my makefile: . install: cp -a usr $(DESTDIR)/usr . it fails with the error message: -- # Add

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 11:45:48AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Nathanael Nerode [Thu, 04 Aug 2005 04:28:44 -0400]: > > Ugh. Isn't there some other way? > Having britney do partial library upgrades (i.e, not remove the old > package/soname from testing when letting the new version in; but

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Anthony DeRobertis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 11:55]: > Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > It was an advertisement for a recruiting party. That's commercial by > > any definition. > > Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy > prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: > http://www

Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night

2005-08-04 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > It was an advertisement for a recruiting party. That's commercial by > any definition. Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#ads "The sending of any kind of unsolicited *bu

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Nathanael Nerode [Thu, 04 Aug 2005 04:28:44 -0400]: > Ugh. Isn't there some other way? Having britney do partial library upgrades (i.e, not remove the old package/soname from testing when letting the new version in; but make sure the old one gets removed before release). Don't ask m

Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

2005-08-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050803 12:51]: > On Wed, 03 Aug 2005, Julien BLACHE wrote: > > I'll drop the dependency on debconf on these two packages, as it's > > only used to purge some old debconf questions from the database. > You can do that only if those old debconf que

Re: What is going on with udev?

2005-08-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 04, Paul Brossier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would also like to understand. 2.6.12 being available doesn't help. > The package remains un-upgradable from sarge or etch. Sarge or etch do not have newer versions of udev to upgrade to. > As Manoj and Blars said, solutions would be to have

Re: jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Loïc Minier
Hi, On Thu, Aug 04, 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > gstreamer0.8-jack gst-plugins0.8 is waiting for arts. Bye, -- Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

jack transition status notes

2005-08-04 Thread Nathanael Nerode
The following packages have not gone through the JACK transition yet, and appear ready to (c++ dependencies all transitioned): amsynth brutefir freqtweak galan gstreamer0.8-jack horgand liballegro4.1-plugin-jack libwine-jack rezound tapiir timidity This one still depends on an untransitioned C++

Re: [Debtags-devel] Re: Usability: Technical details in package descriptions?

2005-08-04 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello, > If the debtags also get searched when she does a simple search, then > great. This will depend on how seamlessly debtags get integrated into > package managers (like Synaptic's) search facilities (for example, a > simple search by default, then an "Advanced" button to expand the searc