Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

Richard Kettlewell dijo [Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:42:01PM +0100]: > I think it doesn't go far enough. > > mv sbin/* bin > rmdir sbin > ln -s bin sbin > > ...and the problem goes away forever. You type too fast. Are you _sure_ no two Debian packages provide overlapping /bin/$that and /sbin/

Re: automated updates of debian/changelog considered harmful

Christian Perrier dijo [Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:13:21PM +0200]: > > Nowadays, the recommended way to update config.sub/guess is transparent, > > Debian-specific (but friendly to any sort of upstream config.sub/guess > > usage pattern), version-control friendly, and also non-.diff-bloating. > > Cou

Re: RFA: A few packages

On 10322 March 1977, Chris Lawrence wrote: >> lsb-release (should probably get included into lsb or at least more >> coordinated (see #135832), CCed lsb maintainer). > I'll pick this one up; I don't see source packages getting integrated > right away, but at least having both lsb and lsb-release w

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:01:17AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Enrico Zini dijo [Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 12:49:39PM +0200]: > > I've been it_IT.UTF-8 for quite a while with no problems. And I also > > get to be able to write the name of my girlfriend, which Latin1 cannot > > encode, together with acc

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > While this argument was indeed tempting, I think we also need to > > > look at how free the resulting package is: Can a derivbative take > > > any packag

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

Enrico Zini dijo [Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 12:49:39PM +0200]: > I've been it_IT.UTF-8 for quite a while with no problems. And I also > get to be able to write the name of my girlfriend, which Latin1 cannot > encode, together with accented Italian words, which BIG5 cannot encode. H... Silly me tho

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

> Please relax. The discussion is not whether we drop Firefox from the > distro. This will not happen, Firefox will still be here for as long Even if I have followed that discussion from very far, I have noted that you do not plan this. But I noted Julien's suggestion to simply drop the thing an

Re: ~ in package versions

> "os" == Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: colin> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 07:04:32PM -0300, Otavio Salvador colin> wrote: >>> > "adam" == Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: adam> Namely, as you told me

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

Andrew Suffield dijo [Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:32:53PM +0100]: > > - Separate runlevels: 2 for multi, no net, 3 for multi no X, 4 for X, 4=5 > > No way. Debian has always avoided mindlessly dictating what runlevels > must be used for. There's no reason to destroy this feature now. And > there's no

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Eric Dorland > > | BTW, any Ubuntu developers care to comment? I'm interested in second > | opinions and how you guys are handling this situation? Did you accept > | an arrangement with MoFo? > > We've been in touch with them and have currently r

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:23:19PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > The MoFo has made no statement that they would grant a trademark > > license to anyone would adhered to the same standards as Debian. If > > this were true (and hopefully in writing), I

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: > If OTOH we drop their trademarks, our (prospective) users won't even > notice, because: > > (1) if they install or use a live-cd, they will see the browser icon > and "Iceweasel Web Browser" caption, and won't notice, and > > (2) if they read about Debian before t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:07:16PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:16:18AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > * Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Like others in this t

Re: ~ in package versions

On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 14:36 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > > I just wanted to confirm my recollection that now that stable has been > > released > > with support for ~ in package versions in dpkg and apt, we can now use ~ in >

Re: ~ in package versions

On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 00:32 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Adam Heath [Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:47:39 -0500]: > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > It was that such package versions could not be used *before* sarge > > > released, > > > not that they would be supported immediately *

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:32:36PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I therefore propose > that we do the following: > > * Don't install any screensaver modules whatsoever, except one that > shows a blank screen and turns off the monitor after a while. This is called 'power management', and is enabl

Re: ~ in package versions

> "roberto" == Roberto C Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: roberto> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:47:39PM -0500, Adam Heath roberto> wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: >> > > I

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Bernardo Arlandis Mañó writes: > Even when a package is free that doesn't mean you can name it using a > trademark name, that would be an illegal use of a trademark. it is not at all clear that that is true. A trademark owner does not have anywhere near the rights of a copyright owner. -- John H

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

Joey Hess dijo [Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:40:59PM -0400]: > Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Ummm... And if instead of asking the user for a disk change, this > > mini-initrd just keeps polling the floppy for a non-erroneous read > > (this means, the drive is not empty) with the correct magic at the > > correc

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

regarding prelink On Thursday 16 June 2005 08:18, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One of the points of the md5sum verification is to ensure that the > > binaries haven't been tampered with. If one can tamper with the binaries > > by modifying some file in /var/cache instead, doesn't

Re: TODO for etch ?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 01:26:04PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > Jesus Climent wrote: > >On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:39:16PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > > > >- get rid of hotplug in its actual incarnation. Is hell of slow and > > painful. > I agree that it is a bit slow :) But again, th

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That there is such a hue and cry over rebranding Firefox in Debian > indicates to me that it *is* a significant burden we would be (and are > now) asking of our downstream users. Well, one, *we're* not asking our downstream users to do that. The Mozi

Re: ~ in package versions

[Roberto C. Sanchez] > Doesn't that also make backporting packages to Sarge (if they have ~ > in the version) a bit more dicey? Since apt in sarge supports this syntax, it shouldn't be a problem for clients. If your backports repository is using existing DAK code, or other software that doesn't

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

[Steve Langasek] > DFSG#8 has regularly been interpreted as meaning that if a software > license isn't free, it can't be made free just by giving Debian > additional rights. This keeps us honest, by eliminating any > incentive proprietary software authors might have to create a market > for thems

Re: ~ in package versions

> "colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: colin> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 07:04:32PM -0300, Otavio Salvador colin> wrote: >> > "adam" == Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: adam> Namely, as you told me on irc, that dak uses ~ internally as adam> a separato

Re: ~ in package versions

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:47:39PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > > > I just wanted to confirm my recollection that now that stable has been > > > released > > > with support for ~ i

Re: RFA: A few packages

On 6/15/05, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lsb-release (should probably get included into lsb or at least more > coordinated (see #135832), CCed lsb maintainer). I'll pick this one up; I don't see source packages getting integrated right away, but at least having both lsb and lsb-relea

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Ummm... And if instead of asking the user for a disk change, this > mini-initrd just keeps polling the floppy for a non-erroneous read > (this means, the drive is not empty) with the correct magic at the > correct place? This assumes that the kernel works better than it really

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While this argument was indeed tempting, I think we also need to > > look at how free the resulting package is: Can a derivbative take > > any package in main, modify it, and further redistribute it? If

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

Goswin von Brederlow dijo [Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 08:46:47AM +0200]: > Intermittendly we had a multi floppy setup. > > The first floppy contains the kernel and a minimal initrd. That > prompts for the second floppy and the user to press return and then > adds the contents of the 2nd floppy to tmpfs.

Re: Help with the c2man to doxygen migration

> In http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2003/10/msg00019.html Manoj > Srivastava pointed out that, "c2man has been dead upstream for years > (which was, so far, not a problem), and does not work with modern > C/C++ programs -- which _is_ a problem. The functionality has been > superseded with p

Re: ~ in package versions

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Well and then what is pending for it? > > - DAK support for it; > - APT support? apt already supports it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Alexander Sack wrote: I think, what some (or a certain amount of) project members complain about, is the absense of objective, written criteria. Those criteria should somehow define which criteria X has to satisfy in order to get judged competent. Such criteria are very hard to define. To show

Re: ~ in package versions

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 07:04:32PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > "adam" == Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > adam> Namely, as you told me on irc, that dak uses ~ internally as > adam> a separator; this obviously conflicts with dpkg's use of it > adam> in versions. > >

Re: Help with the c2man to doxygen migration

* Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-16 08:20]: > > Srivastava pointed out that, "c2man has been dead upstream for years > > (which was, so far, not a problem), and does not work with modern > > C/C++ programs -- which _is_ a problem. The functionality has been > > superseded with packages

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If we accept it, we've made a Debian-specific deal to distribute that > > software. Is that acceptable? I don't believe it is. > > What I've heard from the Mozilla folks is that it isn't specific to Debian

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:48:55AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Where possible, sure. But "principles" doesn't mean "the rules should be > > > exactly the same". > > > > Please stop putting words in

Re: ~ in package versions

On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:32:35AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Adam Heath [Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:47:39 -0500]: > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > It was that such package versions could not be used *before* sarge > > > released, > > > not that they would be supported immediate

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:50:44PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 11:20:57AM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: > > > > Does the opposite make it worse? I think so. > > > IMHO it makes no difference at all. The "normal", "r

Re: SElinux and GNU/kFreeBSD or GNU/Hurd

Le mercredi 15 juin 2005 à 16:19 +0200, Aurelien Jarno a écrit : I switch list though believe if an agreement is reached it should go to d-d-a again. > While I find it is a real improvement, it causes some problems with the > GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd ports as SElinux is Linux specific. The aim o

Re: ~ in package versions

> "adam" == Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: adam> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson >> wrote: > I just wanted to confirm my recollection that now that >> stable has been released > with support for

Re: ~ in package versions

> "steve" == Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: steve> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle steve> Hampson wrote: >> I just wanted to confirm my recollection that now that stable >> has been released with support for ~ in package versions in >> dpkg

RFA: A few packages

Hi I have a few packages to give away to others. But do not go and just upload, please talk with me first. Thanks. doxymacs ecb gkrellm-reminder lsb-release (should probably get included into lsb or at least more coordinated (see #135832), CCed lsb maintainer). -- bye Joerg Siliziumdioxid wird

Re: ~ in package versions

* Adam Heath [Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:47:39 -0500]: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > It was that such package versions could not be used *before* sarge released, > > not that they would be supported immediately *after* the release; the change > > has not yet been made to make this poss

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 01:10:57PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I might be talking out of my arse (99% probability ;-)) but I thought > > I'd heard that it was possible to store the pre-linking information > > separately to the binaries, under /var/cach

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

[ Note: I was unsubscribe to -devel due to a hw problem in my current mail-end so this quoting is suboptimal, had to use the web archives ] Steve said: >Ok, sure. Here are a few one-liners about various things I'm aware of >that one person or another wants to see happen in the etch timeframe, >t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Gervase Markham wrote: > The issue is that it has to be X-specific, where X is people we trust to > make competent releases of software. And we have to judge X on who comes > to us and says "we claim to be competent". I think, what some (or a certain amount of) project members complain about, is t

Re: linking to libssl makes non free?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:04:20PM -0400, sean finney wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:24:44PM -0400, Jiann-Ming Su wrote: > > But, OpenSSL's FAQ seems to address this: > > > > http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 > yes, but debian has taken a slightly more conservative view, beca

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Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Eric Dorland wrote: Using the logo is not possible, as it is not licensed under a free license. Yes, sorry - I'd forgotten. This agreement is not evil, but internally we have to work out whether we can make this sort of agreement under the DFSG. If you came back with something non-Debian spe

Re: ~ in package versions

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > > I just wanted to confirm my recollection that now that stable has been > > released > > with support for ~ in package versions in dpkg and apt, we can now use ~ in > > package vers

Re: ~ in package versions

On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:00:43AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > I just wanted to confirm my recollection that now that stable has been > released > with support for ~ in package versions in dpkg and apt, we can now use ~ in > package versions for upload to the Debian archive. > Is this righ

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

El mar, 14-06-2005 a las 18:07 -0400, Eric Dorland escribió: [...] > > I never claimed the renaming would not be confusing and > painful. Sometimes we have to do painful things because they're the > right thing to do. I think everyone realizes a rename would suck the > big one. That's why I'm appr

Re: SElinux and GNU/kFreeBSD or GNU/Hurd

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:19:42PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > * debian/rules > Add the following lines: > DEB_HOST_GNU_SYSTEM ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture > -qDEB_HOST_GNU_SYSTEM) > ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_GNU_SYSTEM),linux) > selinux := --with-selinux > endif AFAIK with

Re: TODO for etch ?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 01:26:04PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > > >- Early start of X, while some other stuff is still loading on the bg. > > > That's a single package "problem" so not exactly an Etch todo candidate. > But I think the real problems for slow boots is the hardware detection. No, it ne

Re: namespace conflict != package Conflict?

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Anthony Towns wrote: Steve Greenland wrote: On 12-Jun-05, 02:27 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You need to convince either git or GNU Interactive Tools to change its name upstream then. Since git is the newcomer and its name is already taken (by a GNU proj

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

On Jun 15, Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But it leaves the choice of using prelinking to the user instead of > 'forcing' the entire system to use it. There is no need to choose. If prelinking works, all users should use prelinking. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Dig

Re: Squid + QoS + tc

* Forte Systems - Iosif Peterfi wrote: > Hello, I wanted to know if there is possible to add the zero > penality hit patch for squid in the debian package tree. File a wishlist bugreport against the squid package. Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Better brand recognition for new Debian (etch)

First of all, thanks for your answers. > IMHO, there is a series of (serious) problems in such a plan, such > as: > > * we *do* have, after all, "tasks" to install desktops and (some, > specialized?) servers, without having to resort to creating > another 30G of repositories. Well, you have a

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 13:10 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I might be talking out of my arse (99% probability ;-)) but I thought > > I'd heard that it was possible to store the pre-linking information > > separately to the binaries, under /var/cache or

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

On 6/15/05, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I might be talking out of my arse (99% probability ;-)) but I thought > > I'd heard that it was possible to store the pre-linking information > > separately to the binaries, under /var/cache or som

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

Ian Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I might be talking out of my arse (99% probability ;-)) but I thought > I'd heard that it was possible to store the pre-linking information > separately to the binaries, under /var/cache or something for example. > Am/was I imagining things? One of the

Re: linking to libssl makes non free?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:24:44PM -0400, Jiann-Ming Su wrote: > But, OpenSSL's FAQ seems to address this: > > http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 yes, but debian has taken a slightly more conservative view, because openssl is not considered part of the "Operating System" but just a

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If we accept it, we've made a Debian-specific deal to distribute that > software. Is that acceptable? I don't believe it is. What I've heard from the Mozilla folks is that it isn't specific to Debian in the sense that they like Debian in particular. It'

Re: linking to libssl makes non free?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:24:44PM -0400, Jiann-Ming Su wrote: > I was looking in the squid changelog and noticed the following: > > squid (2.5.5-4) unstable; urgency=low > > * debian/control > - Removed depdendecies on libssl-dev (linking GPL with SSL is not free) > (Closes:

linking to libssl makes non free?

I was looking in the squid changelog and noticed the following: squid (2.5.5-4) unstable; urgency=low * debian/control - Removed depdendecies on libssl-dev (linking GPL with SSL is not free) (Closes: #251988) * debian/rules - Removed --enable-ssl from configure But

Re: Debian menu update and /usr/share/menu transition

Am Mittwoch, den 15.06.2005, 21:25 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Please move the menu files your packages provide from /usr/lib/menu > > to /usr/share/menu to follow the FHS. > Hmmm, I guess most people do not move menu files manually. I's > sugge

Re: Planning a libglade to libglade2 transition

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Will Newton wrote: ISTR updating from the deprecated GtkCList to GtkTreeView is quite involved This exactly is my problem that I'm heavily using GtkCLIst and did not found a nice replacement. But I'll have a look at the link you provided. Kind regards Andreas.

Re: Debian menu update and /usr/share/menu transition

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Bill Allombert wrote: Please move the menu files your packages provide from /usr/lib/menu to /usr/share/menu to follow the FHS. Hmmm, I guess most people do not move menu files manually. I's suggest a wishlist bug report against debhelper which would solve this issue autom

Squid + QoS + tc

Hello, I wanted to know if there is possible to add the zero penality hit patch for squid in the debian package tree.   The patch is located at: http://www.it-academy.bg/zph/squid-2.5.STABLE10-ToS_Hit.patch - for squid (2.5-10)   Thanks -- This message was scanned for spam and v

Re: TODO for etch ?

Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > >> - Change boot system, to one capable of handling dependencies and >> parallell invocation, to speed up the boot process. >> >> > Err.. Why? The current "slow" bootup is caused mostly by hardware > detection from my experi

Re: TODO for etch ?

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 01:15:00PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > > - Change boot system, to one capable of handling dependencies and > > parallell invocation, to speed up the boot process. > > > Err.. Why? The current "slow" bootup is caused mostly by hardware > detection from my experience. Speed

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Hi. I'd like to share my doubts and thoughts about this. I think the problem arises from mixing license and trademark issues where they shouldn't be mixed. It's sure trademark elements are included in the source code inevitably, but they should not be treated as a part of it. Even when a packa

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Le mercredi 15 juin 2005 à 12:50 -0400, Eric Dorland a écrit : > > I don't think it's arcane. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, > > which Debian itself has done in the past (TrustedDebian -> Adamantix) > > > > You're free to make /any/ modifications to firefox, as long as you > > either ren

Re: TODO for etch ?

Jesus Climent wrote: >On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:39:16PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > > >>Hello. >> >>- >> >> > >- Early start of X, while some other stuff is still loading on the bg. > > That's a single package "problem" so not exactly an Etch todo candidate. But I think the rea

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:50:44PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 11:20:57AM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: > > You're free to make /any/ modifications to firefox, as long as you > > either rename it to something else or

Re: TODO for etch ?

Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >>- >> >> > > - Improve hardware detection, make sure excluded kernel modules only > need to be listed one place. > > OK. Something to improve uppon. > - Replace default syslog-daemon to one capable to storing > severity/facility in the log file. > > People

Re: Debian menu update and /usr/share/menu transition

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 05:38:06PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:34:06PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > [snip] > > 3) menu now support automatic translations of menu sections, in 32 > > different languages and this is supported out-of-the-box by a fair > > number of win

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:12:26PM +0100, Sam Morris wrote: > > Perhaps maintainers should publish PICS ratings[0] for each of their > packages, which can be placed in the package control information, or > incorporated into a debtags offensiveness facet? ;) No. I consider offensive some parts

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm asking for guidance regarding this bug: > #313492: xscreensaver/GLSnake has sexually inappropriate imagery It seems to me that it's a wishlist item. It also seems to me that a reasonable course would be to disable it by default, but leave it as

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

15.06.2005 pisze Eric Dorland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > You're free to make /any/ modifications to firefox, as long as you > > either rename it to something else or get permission to call it firefox. > > Doesn't sound non-free to me. > Please explain to me why it's alright to get special permissio

Squid + QoS + tc

Hello, I wanted to know if there is possible to add the zero penality hit patch for squid in the debian package tree.   The patch is located at: http://www.it-academy.bg/zph/squid-2.5.STABLE10-ToS_Hit.patch - for squid (2.5-10)   Thanks -- This message was scanned for spam and v

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Eric Dorland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050615 18:23]: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Anyone who gets firefox from Debian has the same rights under the > > trademark license: either they ask the Mozilla Foundation whether they > > adhere to their standards, or they rename the thing.

Re: Debian menu update and /usr/share/menu transition

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:34:06PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: [snip] > 3) menu now support automatic translations of menu sections, in 32 > different languages and this is supported out-of-the-box by a fair > number of window-manager in Sarge. Crappy snapshots here: >

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 11:20:57AM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: > > > Does the opposite make it worse? I think so. > > > > IMHO it makes no difference at all. The "normal", "regular", > > "I-dont-read-debian-mailing-lists" folk install the "

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

Peter Samuelson writes: > I'm curious to know where you got that impression. I just reread the > DFSG and it makes no mention of copyrights, trademarks or patents. The legislative history of the DFSG makes it quite clear that it was only intended to apply to copyrights. -- John Hasler -- To U

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:07:58AM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães used a > broken MUA that breaks threads and wrote: > > > Not really, because the DFSG is not supposed to apply to trademarks. > > > > This is the center of Wouter's and Marco's argume

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:23:19PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > The MoFo has made no statement that they would grant a trademark > license to anyone would adhered to the same standards as Debian. If > this were true (and hopefully in writing), I think things would be > much less problematic. Well

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:07:16PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:16:18AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > * Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Like others in this thread I disagree with your position. I don't > > thi

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:48:55AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Where possible, sure. But "principles" doesn't mean "the rules should be > > exactly the same". > > Please stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that the rules > should necessari

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 15:27 -0400, Eric Dorland a écrit : > > > > And *then* Debian will be left without a mozilla-compatible web > > > > browser, not without Mozilla itself. > > > > > > There's still Galeon and a couple of others, based on Gecko.

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:26:11PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > People seem to be using DFSG 4 as a justification for keeping the > > name, but I believe that is flawed. DFSG 4 allows for a license to say > > "if you meet conditions X, you can use ou

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 17:41 +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > - What is a "gegl"? I couldn't find it in any dictionary. Genetically Engineered Goat (extra Leg). Part of GNOME folklore, google will tell you more. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 14:42 +0200, Jonas Meurer a écrit : > > > > i think it should. i second the idea that debian should provide > > sources > > to the community which are entirely free. sources which contain the > > Mozilla trademarks and ignore t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:16:18AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I'm here to build the best free OS, not to collect the most liberal > > > trademarks. If a trademark license allows us to ship the software

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Christian Perrier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > >> We drop their products from Debian, they lose market share. We drop > > > Really? Do you actually believe that debian users would switch to > > > Konqueror just because we stopped distributing Firefox in Debian? > > > > What about Galeon and th

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:10:06AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:05:20PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > Come on, that can't possibly be the intention. I could craft a li

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

Hi! * Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050615 12:51]: > I'm asking for guidance regarding this bug: > #313492: xscreensaver/GLSnake has sexually inappropriate imagery Interessting... my I report the wishlist bug, that it should be possible with GLSnake to show a specific - uhm - thing? >

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

This one time, at band camp, Ralf Hildebrandt said: > I'm asking for guidance regarding this bug: > #313492: xscreensaver/GLSnake has sexually inappropriate imagery > > This reminds me all to well of the "hot-babe" controversity, with the > difference that xscreensaver has been in Debian for ages

Re: SElinux and GNU/kFreeBSD or GNU/Hurd

On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 16:19 +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > If you have a package that depends on libselinux1-dev or if you intend > to upload such a package, please find below the correct way(tm) to add > SElinux support: > > * debian/control or debian/control.in (or even debian.control.in.in) >

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