Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
Aha, I see where you found this in my original note (although you didn't
quote it). In that paragraph, "thousands of dollars" was just an
example for illustration, although I chose the magnitude of the cost
from one of the links Bruce posted (I recall seeing a $5400 fabric
Hi list,
I need some help with debconf, especially for the config and postinst
scripts.
I tried to craft my own ones for my font package and when I try to
install the package the postinst script exits with status 10. What does
this mean?
Further more, the dialog I have created in config gets ne
Anthony Towns writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Anthony Towns writes:
>>>That'd mean REJECTing uploads whose versions match
>>>"[^0-9]+[a-z][0-9]+$" presumably.
> ^ ^
> First + is literal, second + is "one or more". One should be
> escaped. Which one? Depends whether it
Joey Hess wrote (on debian-devel):
> My experience as a developer who's tried to write
> an app to use the LSB (only the init script interface)
> is that it's poorly enough specified and/or implemented
> divergently within the spec to the point that I had to
> test my implementation on every LSB
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: quodlibet
Version : 0.7
Upstream Author : Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.sacredchao.net/~piman/software/quodlibet.shtml
* License : GNU GPL
Description : audio library manager and playe
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The other problem with aptitude is touted as a design feature: it tends
> to be all-or-nothing. Either you use it always or you don't (automatic
> removal thingie). This becomes a problem when multiple persons use
> different interfaces for
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: libifp
Version : 0.1.0.11
Upstream Author : Geoff Oakham
* URL : http://ifp-driver.sourceforge.net/libifp/
* License : GNU GPL
Description : library for communicating with iRiver iFP audio devices
libifp al
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Anthony Towns writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:>>
1.rc << 1.rc2 << 1.rc+b1
1.2-1~beta << 1.2-1~beta2 << 1.2-1~beta+b1
1.2~beta-1 << 1.2~beta-1+b1 << 1.2~beta2-1
Adding the implicit '0' that dpkg assumes on versions ending in alpha
chars would solve both cases:
That is
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:49:55PM +, David Pye wrote:
>
> Ah. So that's what I did wrong, maybe.
>
> The two packages build from the same source. Does that mean a single ITP is
> necessary? I have not raised ITPs before, so was not sure exactly.
That's it. With a few rare exceptions (th
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 23:35, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Why do you need to make it a separate source package?
No, no, ignore my last email.
I 'get it' now. It for some reason escaped my notice that the ITP needed only
to be raised against the source package, and not the multiple binary pa
Hi,
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 23:35, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> First, please don't send mails to the BTS with a local address.
>
> Le mardi 14 décembre 2004 à 20:06 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
Yes, how I cursed that one, once I realised it had got out.
I sent three ITPs, and one made it out wro
First, please don't send mails to the BTS with a local address.
Le mardi 14 décembre 2004 à 20:06 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit :
> Package: wnpp
> Version: N/A; reported 2004-12-14
> Severity: wishlist
>
> * Package name: libxbox-dev
> Version : 0.1.0
> Upstream Author : Davi
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 14:42 -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > The *price* of product has *nothing* to do with how much it *cost*
> > to create.
> >
> In a purely competitive market the price of goods would approach their
> cost. The system of "intellectual property" is a barrie
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Ron Johnson wrote:
The *price* of product has *nothing* to do with how much it *cost*
to create.
In a purely competitive market the price of goods would
approach their cost. The system of "intellectual property" is a barrier
that prevents certain goods from becoming commodities. There
ar
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:34:17AM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 00:44 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > Besides that the LCC sounds like an extraordinarily bad idea, passing
> > around binaries only makes sense if you can't easily reproduce them from
> > the source (which I d
[Goswin von Brederlow]
> Actually that is forbidden by policy. A package may not change
> another packages conffiles.
Actually, the policy forbids the _maintainer scripts_ of a package to
change another packages conffiles. It does not forbid a script in a
package to change another packages conffi
Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello
>
> I assume that my answer is a bit late as you wrote this in october.
> I have written a package, dysyco that do similar things to what you
> want.
>
> Take a look. I may have misunderstood you.
>
> // Ola
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 03:37:27PM -
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:55:59 +0100, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's so private in these log files that they should not world
> readable?
A local user can look at usage patterns and formulate a plan of
attack. A badly written CGI can leak server data across the public
Internet.
Package: wnpp
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* Package name: wrapperfactory.app
Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : Raffael Herzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : ftp://ftp.raffael.ch/software/GNUstepWrapper/
* License : GNU GPL
Description : Application wrappers configurat
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2004-12-14
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: libxbox-dev
Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : David Pye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.xbox-linux.org
* License : GPL
Description : Libxbox-dev provides the headers
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2004-12-14
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: xbox-blink
Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : David Pye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.xbox-linux.org
* License : GPL
Description : Tool to manipulate the front-panel
Hello
I assume that my answer is a bit late as you wrote this in october.
I have written a package, dysyco that do similar things to what you
want.
Take a look. I may have misunderstood you.
// Ola
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 03:37:27PM -0400, Mark Roach wrote:
> I am working on creating a package
Hello
I may write exactly the same thing as Steve Langasek but I just have
to tell why I would like to keep testing.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:56:36PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
>
> > > Some improvements have already been proposed by Eduard Bloch and
> > > Adrian Bunk: freezing unst
[Followups set to debian-x.]
Hi folks,
I just wanted to bring the following information to the attention of those
who may be frustrated by problems with the latest xdm and xfs packages.
[...]
[14 December] XFree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-9 sneaked out with a couple of
small but annoying bugs in it. S
also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1955 +0100]:
> > be a commonly accepted guideline, proggies like aptitude,
> > scrollkeeper, X, xdm, fontconfig, and many others basically just
> > dump their files world-readable into there.
>
> What's so private in these log files that t
martin f krafft wrote:
> On all my Debian systems, /var/log seems like a big pile of dumps
> without much consistency. Especially, while 0640:root:adm seems to
> be a commonly accepted guideline, proggies like aptitude,
> scrollkeeper, X, xdm, fontconfig, and many others basically just
> dump their
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:33:31PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> You must have had horrible experiences with your computer. I am
> sorry.
Not at all. I've just never been a fan of having a thousand
windows open. I keep 4 terminals tiled on 1 desktop, use screen
to background things, and use a
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> also sprach Christian Surchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1643 +0100]:
> also sprach Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1651 +0100]:
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/
>
> quote:
> "Admit it, Mac OS X has you spoiled. Youâve be
Ian Murdock dijo [Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:53:54AM -0500]:
(snip)
> The ISVs have spoken. They want to support as few ports as possible,
> because those ports cost money. They also want to support as much
> of the market as possible, and the current reality is that many of
> those markets are out of
[Yes, replying to myself.]
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:05:44AM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:17:24AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > * Kenneth Pronovici
> >
> > | I think what you're forgetting (or at least ignoring) is that designing
> > | hardware is not exactly
also sprach William Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1825 +0100]:
> > Damn, and I run about 60 applications simultaneously and never
> > lose overview with fluxbox or ion. I must be doing something
> > wrong.
>
> This seems to me to be a sloppy way to work. If all these apps
> are doing si
Anthony Towns writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> 1.rc << 1.rc2 << 1.rc+b1
>> 1.2-1~beta << 1.2-1~beta2 << 1.2-1~beta+b1
>
> 1.2~beta-1 << 1.2~beta-1+b1 << 1.2~beta2-1
>
> Keeping the Debian revision simple is a Good Thing.
>
>> Adding the implicit '0' that dpkg assumes on versions ending in
* Ian Murdock
| On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:07 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
| > If this is what's going to happen, then the first time a security fix
| > comes along in one of those binaries the system suddenly isn't
| > LCC-compiant anymore (due to the fact that different distributions
| > handle
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:51:43PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 08:57:20PM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
> > And no, I can't confirm or refute the numbers, which is why *I* didn't
> > comment on whether they were realistic. You might want to try that
> > sometime.
>
>
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:10:08PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> Damn, and I run about 60 applications simultaneously and never lose
> overview with fluxbox or ion. I must be doing something wrong.
This seems to me to be a sloppy way to work. If all these apps are
doing significant amounts of w
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 17:43 +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> On 14/12/2004 Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote:
> > Personally I'm not buying it. Hardware costs what it does for the
> > same reasons as software -- to advance the state of the art and to
> > create better hardware (or software as the case may
also sprach Isaac Clerencia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1610 +0100]:
> Similar to Kompose:
> http://kompose.berlios.de/kompose_0.4.jpg
I fail to see the innovative component. What am I looking for?
also sprach Christian Surchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1643 +0100]:
also sprach Steve K
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:17:24AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Kenneth Pronovici
>
> | I think what you're forgetting (or at least ignoring) is that designing
> | hardware is not exactly like designing software. The process is
> | similar, yes, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 06:16 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:07:12PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 03:49 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > Well, my first question is why, irrespective of how valuable the LSB
> > > itself
> > > is to them, any ISV wo
On 14/12/2004 Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote:
> Personally I'm not buying it. Hardware costs what it does for the
> same reasons as software -- to advance the state of the art and to
> create better hardware (or software as the case may be.)
I personally don't think that the price of products in a
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 15:33 +0100, Marco Nenciarini wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
>
> * Package name: expocity
> Version : 2.6.2-1
> Upstream Author : Martin Grimme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html
> * License
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 09:20:53PM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
> > > I think what you're forgetting (or at least ignoring) is that designing
> > > hardware is not exactly like designing software. The process is
> > > similar, yes, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. At the
> > > leas
Chasecreek Systemhouse writes:
> On 14 Dec 2004 09:03:20 -0500, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hardware design has very different and higher third-party costs than
> > software design, and the cost to make and test minor revisions can be
> > a significant fraction of the cost to d
On Tuesday, 14 de December de 2004 16:33, martin f krafft wrote:
> enlighten us non-Darwinists: what does Exposà do? How does this
> differ from tabs as provided e.g. by fluxbox.
Similar to Kompose:
http://kompose.berlios.de/kompose_0.4.jpg
pgp40arFgR6uG.pgp
Description: PGP signature
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 08:57:20PM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
> And no, I can't confirm or refute the numbers, which is why *I* didn't
> comment on whether they were realistic. You might want to try that
> sometime.
I cannot figure out what mail you were reading.
--
.''`. ** Debian GNU/
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 04:43:11PM +0100, Christian Surchi wrote:
> > ==
> > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:33:43 +0100
> > From: martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager
> >
* [ 14-12-04 - 15:33 ] Marco Nenciarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Description : An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
s/enanced/enhanced/
> expocity is an effort to integrate an efficient means of switching between
> applications into the window manager metacity, similar to Exp
Yo all!
Seeing this discussion wander in many directions, please consider what is
acutally under discussion here:
Bruce:
> I would not suggest that Debian commit to using LCC packages at this
> time. We should participate for a while and see how many changes we'd
> have to make and whether the
> ==
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:33:43 +0100
> From: martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Bug#285625: ITP: expocity -- An enanced Window Manager
> based on metacity
> ==
>
> enlighten us non-Darwinis
also sprach Marco Nenciarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1533 +0100]:
> expocity is an effort to integrate an efficient means of switching between
> applications into the window manager metacity, similar to Exposé(tm) on
> Apple's OS-X.
enlighten us non-Darwinists: what does Exposé do? How doe
[Please Note that I'm not trying to create a hardware holy war. Of
all the OSes I have used and upon all the architectures I have built -
both commercial and non-commercial -- Debian has consistently
delivered a great wholistic, as well as holistic, system solution.]
On 14 Dec 2004 09:03:20 -050
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: expocity
Version : 2.6.2-1
Upstream Author : Martin Grimme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html
* License : GPL
Description : An enanced Window Manager based on metacity
M
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:07:12PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 03:49 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 03:39:55PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> > > You've just described the way the LSB has done it for years, which thus
> > > far, hasn't worked--while the
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:57 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> On Friday 10 December 2004 06.15, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > John Goerzen dijo [Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 09:40:51PM -0600]:
>
> > > we could participate in this organization even if we didn't take
> > > their packages? That is, perhaps we coul
Another interesting link is Electronic Design Automation (EDA) software on
Linux: http://www.linuxeda.com/
Cheers,
Blue.
Chasecreek Systemhouse writes:
> > To design software, all you need is a fully functional computer.
> >
> > To design hardware, you need to create and test a prototype every once
> > in a while. That'll cost you.
>
>
> Your logic doesnt follow.
> Why, then, isn't Be (BeOS) still around ?
>
>
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 14:33 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Why don't standard ABIs suffice?
Because the LSB bases its certification process on a standard ABI/API
specification alone, and this approach simply hasn't worked.
--
Ian Murdock
317-578-8882 (office)
http://www.progeny.com/
http://ianmurdo
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2004-12-14
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: libxbox0
Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : David Pye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.xbox-linux.org
* License : GPL
Description : Shared library to allow xbox-linux
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:07 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> If this is what's going to happen, then the first time a security fix
> comes along in one of those binaries the system suddenly isn't
> LCC-compiant anymore (due to the fact that different distributions
> handle security updates different
Try to take a look to this http://lists.duskglow.com/open-graphics/
about problems, solutions and ASIC vs FPGA proposed for a real project
to build a open design 2d/3d graphic card.
Cheers,
Blue.
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 00:44 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> Besides that the LCC sounds like an extraordinarily bad idea, passing
> around binaries only makes sense if you can't easily reproduce them from
> the source (which I defined very broadly to include all build scripts
> and depencies), an
Hi,
It's fine for software in main to be able to do stuff with non-free
data; that's not the issue. The question is whether there *exists* any free
data that it works with, and if not, whether that's a problem.
I don't believe that is a problem. We don't ship the non-free data, we
just allow its
Op di, 14-12-2004 te 07:48 -0500, schreef Chasecreek Systemhouse:
> > To design software, all you need is a fully functional computer.
> >
> > To design hardware, you need to create and test a prototype every once
> > in a while. That'll cost you.
>
>
> Your logic doesnt follow.
> Why, then, i
> To design software, all you need is a fully functional computer.
>
> To design hardware, you need to create and test a prototype every once
> in a while. That'll cost you.
Your logic doesnt follow.
Why, then, isn't Be (BeOS) still around ?
Plenty of fully functional computers around at the
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> P.S. Shouldn't this be moved to -legal?
No. -legal is useful for determining whether a given piece of code meets
the DFSG or not. It doesn't make policy decisions. -project is a better
place for non-technical discussion of this sort of thing.
--
Matthew
> Any commercial software company will tell you exactly the same thing
> about software: testing is not free.
Testing is not free only in the sense that a *vendor*
might lose clients if said clients "are" the *testers*...
Historically, lots of clients are performed free testng for vendors.
I'm
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 10:58:52AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Simon Richter
>
> | > (If the firmware used by this tool really is Free Software, my
> | > apologies. However, in that case, the firmware still does not appear to
> | > be available in Debian.)
> |
> | The tool is generic, hen
Op di, 14-12-2004 te 02:24 +, schreef Andrew Suffield:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 03:57:19PM -0500, Brendan wrote:
> > On Monday 13 December 2004 14:50, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:21:54AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > > > My surmise is that we'd need an effort like
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:52:05AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Completely and utterly wrong in my case. I'm exactly the sort of
> person that you apparently think should like dselect, but I think
> aptitude is _far_ superior, for both experts and newbies. The
> competition isn't even close.
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
[quoting Josh Triplett]
>> Package: misdn-utils
>> Version: 0.0.0+cvs20041018-4
>> Severity: serious
>
>> misdn-utils contains a utility "loadfirm", for loading firmware onto
>> ISDN devices. Unless this firmware is Free Software with source, whic
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:17:24AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Kenneth Pronovici
>
> | I think what you're forgetting (or at least ignoring) is that designing
> | hardware is not exactly like designing software. The process is
> | similar, yes, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: (and it really was him this time -- sorry about
last time; hand-quoting is tricky stuff):
>Is the pseudo source file enough for BSD or Artistic license?
It's enough for BSD. (Which doesn't actually require source.)
>On the same subject but going in a totally differen
* Kenneth Pronovici
| I think what you're forgetting (or at least ignoring) is that designing
| hardware is not exactly like designing software. The process is
| similar, yes, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. At the
| least, this is because testing your hardware "implementation" is
* Simon Richter
| > (If the firmware used by this tool really is Free Software, my
| > apologies. However, in that case, the firmware still does not appear to
| > be available in Debian.)
|
| The tool is generic, hence I cannot make any assumptions on the
| freeness of any firmware that may be
* Goswin von Brederlow
| I think something like "Failure: firmware not loaded" or "Failure:
| path/firmware: No such file or directory" counts as a dependency.
Nobody's said that the driver has to load the firmware. The firmware
might well be loaded by first booting to some other OS, then into
> > me
> Ian Murdock (quotes out of order)
> > If the LSB only attempts to certify things that haven't forked, then
> > it's a no-op. Well, that's not quite fair; I have found it useful to
> > bootstrap a porting effort using lsb-rpm. But for it to be a software
> > operating environment and not
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:55:35AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just discovered that 4 Debian packages incorrectly use "cz" for the
> language code for Czech: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/cz
>
> (of course, the correct code is "cs")
>
> I reported a bug against ea
Hello,
I just discovered that 4 Debian packages incorrectly use "cz" for the
language code for Czech: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/cz
(of course, the correct code is "cs")
I reported a bug against each of those, but wanted to let you be aware
of that. I think you need to check what
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