On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 12:50:03AM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
> On 2003-11-05 17:37 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > It has been suggested many times in the past to apply a similar idea to
> > the .debs themselves, rather than their contents.
>
> But isn't rsync supposed to do this? I don't know
> > Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping generalizations
> > > all the time.
"All the time"? ...
--
greg
Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> BTW, no need to Cc: me - or did Gnus not notice the Mail-Followup-To header?
Uhm. What Mail-Followup-To header? I didn't receive one on this message,
perhaps it's stripped by the mail server? Or perhaps you're mistaken about it
being included?
I've atta
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:14, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> I'm in two minds whether or not to ask this, but I've been wondering
> about the naming scheme for linux packages - kernel-*. Why not
> linux-kernel-* or linux-* ? If alternative kernels in debian become
> more popular, is there a potential for
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:14, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
>
> > Before that realization, it seemed like the type of random cruft that
> > sometimes gets pulled in on dist-upgrade; a name change would help
> > alleviate that initial perc
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:21:11AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:37:24PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed
> > > seperate from libc?
> >
> > Ths iss
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
> Before that realization, it seemed like the type of random cruft that
> sometimes gets pulled in on dist-upgrade; a name change would help
> alleviate that initial perception, IMO. Why not libc6-linux-headers?
I'm in two minds wh
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:23:30PM -0500, Andrew Pimlott wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this
> > more clearly (I don't really want to rename it again...)
>
> Add something like this to t
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:56:37AM -0500, Greg Stark wrote:
> Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:53:36AM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote:
> > > It would be helpful if Debian could even be installed on machines newer
> > > than about 2 years old.
> >
> > It would be he
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I demand that Matt Zimmerman may or may not have written...
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:20:18PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
>> I keep some around. I'd prefer better management of this, though: ATM all
>> that I can do (with apt-get/aptitude) is remove all older versions or
>> purge the cache.
> I
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:50, Martin Pitt wrote:
> But isn't rsync supposed to do this? I don't know exactly how
> efficiently it detects and compresses binary differences, but it
> definitely does it and not too bad. With rsync, you get both the easy
> management of complete debs and the bandwidth
I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written...
> Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written...
> What does that mean?
It's (more or less) from The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The bit in
question concerns two philosophers who ar
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:29, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> If the patches would be of general use, I'd try and get them incorporated
> into the Debian package for scintilla, even if upstream won't take them
Good point, I'll look at this.
> (I'd
> try and work out amongst those involved *why* it's not
Hi!
On 2003-11-05 17:37 -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> It has been suggested many times in the past to apply a similar idea to the
> .debs themselves, rather than their contents.
But isn't rsync supposed to do this? I don't know exactly how
efficiently it detects and compresses binary difference
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:54:45AM +1100, Jonathan Oxer wrote:
> I hope to upload the initial package soon, but I've been held up with
> library issues - gPHPEdit requires a patched version of GtkScintilla2,
> and the fixes aren't being incorporated into the main tree for some
> reason. So to uploa
Hello,
It seems that touch(1) is broken on hppa:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp/pike7.2-7.2.546$ ls -l
build/linux-2.4.20-64-parisc64/precompile.sh
-rwxr-xr-x1 grendel Debian 3475 Nov 5 22:47
build/linux-2.4.20-64-parisc64/precompile.sh
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp/pike7.2-7.2.546$ touch 01030
Hi Joe,
> "Gnome2" should be changed to one of:
Good point, changed now locally.
I hope to upload the initial package soon, but I've been held up with
library issues - gPHPEdit requires a patched version of GtkScintilla2,
and the fixes aren't being incorporated into the main tree for some
reason
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this
> more clearly (I don't really want to rename it again...)
Add something like this to the description:
These headers are not used to compile kernel modules,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:52:53PM +, Anthraxz __ wrote:
> When doing a package upgrade, I wondy if it should be possible to
> implement a mecanism for patching binaries instead of replacing the new
> one ? This could be usefull for use on a slow network connection.
This would require calcula
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > non-executable pages on anything else but i386 is a triviality, as the
> > hardware and the kernel supports it. There's virtually nothing that PaX or
> > exec-shield has to add to enable them - they are there.
You are right that the other architect
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:20:18PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
> I keep some around. I'd prefer better management of this, though: ATM all
> that I can do (with apt-get/aptitude) is remove all older versions or
> purge the cache.
I use a dead simple cron.daily script which prunes packages with an a
When doing a package upgrade, I wondy if it should be possible to implement
a mecanism for patching binaries instead of replacing the new one ? This
could be usefull for use on a slow network connection.
There exist somes tools for FreeBSD http://www.daemonology.net
_
Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > If apt kept even a single old revision in its cache then rolling back could
> > be as simple as
> > apt-get install -t previous libc6
>
> That would be good. (Similarly for aptitude, of course.)
>
> One question occurs, however: should this also (tr
Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written...
What does that mean?
--
greg
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Peter Busser wrote:
> It is in fact a simulation of a multithreaded application. [...]
The test incorrectly assumes that thread stacks are executable. I suspect
we both agree that it's desirable to have thread stacks non-executable as
well.
> I objected to adding tests that
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:35:55PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> If you're renaming them anyway, why not follow Policy 8.1 and
> s/t1lib/libt1-/ (yielding libt1-1, etc.)?
Yes, I thought about it. But there is no strict rule in Policy, just
recommendation. There are many other packages which do not
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > glibc creates executable thread stacks by default. [...]
> >
> > to the contrary, glibc does this:
> > [snip]
> > $ rpm -q glibc
> > glibc-2.3.2-101
>
> that's what RedHat's glibc does. [...]
yes. The changes are in mainline glibc, everyone
I demand that Greg Stark may or may not have written...
[snip - package rollback?]
> all it would take to make the tools handle this would be to somehow make
> apt aware of more revisions of packages. They're all in the pool after all.
> Short of making some king of humongous mega-Packages file wi
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Peter Busser wrote:
> And after all, if exec-shield is being included in the Debian default kernel
> source, then you are talking about the pride of a 1000 developers that are at
> stake here. That is not something you should take lightly if you ask me. :-)
You mean the single
Hi!
> > this intentionally calls mprotect(PROT_EXEC) for the highest possible
> > address one can think of. This call has no useful purpose at all. In other
> > words, this is a specific, underhand cheat to trigger 'Vulnerable'
> > messages for all items when running paxtest on exec-shield kernels
Shame on me.
I did it two days ago with equivs and kept it on my HD but for some
reason not in my brain.
My only consolation is that I did it because of its FTBFS state.
Christophe
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:49:49PM -0500, christophe barbe wrote:
>
> amiga-fdisk (0.04-7) unstable; urgency=low
>
"Artur R. Czechowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I changed the naming scheme. All binary packages contain version in its
> name, i.e.: t1lib-dev is now named t1lib1-dev. Of course old packages are
If you're renaming them anyway, why not follow Policy 8.1 and
s/t1lib/libt1-/ (yielding libt1-1,
> >first of all, it's multithreaded. [...]
>
> paxtest does not link to libpthread, nor does it create threads, at all.
> How can you claim it's multithreaded?
i did not. if you quote my post like this:
>let me get back to the topic of java as i promised above. java
>is a nice animal
amiga-fdisk (0.04-7) unstable; urgency=low
* First version
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:21:12PM +0100, Marc Dequ??nes wrote:
> GNUsound is a sound editor for Linux. It supports multiple tracks,
> multichannel output, and 8, 16, or 24/32 bit samples. It can read
> a number of audio formats through libaudiofile, and saves them as
> WAV. GNUsound supports a lar
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > i downloaded the new 0.9.5 paxtest package and amongst other changes it
> > has the following oneliner change:
[...]
> > + do_mprotect((unsigned long)argv & ~4095U, 4096,
> > PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC);
>first of all, it's multi
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:05:20AM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
>
> >> So your "substantive reason" is: "The name of the new package is
> >> poorly chosen."? - I don't think so, it describes the contents rather
> >> well, doesn't it?
>
> > Well, the package contains the header files approp
[metanote: as you can see, we're entering the meta-discussion part
and i can very well understand that it's of little if any interest
to most you (that includes me btw), so i'll try not to post more
here except maybe to discuss technical issues]
> > 1. 'It seems that exec-shield does 99% of what P
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:37:24PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed
> > seperate from libc?
>
> Ths issue is not whether it is needed separately from libc-dev, the
> issue is that it c
Scripsit Jorge Bernal (Koke) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Perhaps not "drives", unless the program will actually mount and
> > unmount media if given a device name rather than a directory?
> OK, it does not mount anything but it's mainly oriented to index
>
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:29, cobaco wrote:
> > The exec-shield patch applies with the Debian patches and with LSM. I am
> > prepared to maintain it. Unless someone volunteers to maintain PaX
> > support for Debian kernels then the best available option for Debian
> > users will be exec-shield.
>
> h
Hi!
[Courtesy of Sas on the hungarian debian list]
http://www.whatsthatbug.com/potato.html
:)
A levelezőm azt hiszi, hogy Caitlin Riddle a következőeket írta:
> What family is the potato bug in?
> Because I saw one in my back yard.
> It was reaaly freaky.
> Tell me .
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On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:44, Marc DequÃnes wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
>
Ya know, sometimes Quality and not Quantity is better ;-)
Scott
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Have you ever, ever felt like this?
Had strange things happen? Are you going round the twist?
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:17:59PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> I wanted to try Sarge installer for a new box and thus I used jigdo with
>
>
> http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo
>
> Unfortunately one package seems to be removed from the mirrors (s
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Hi,
I wanted to try Sarge installer for a new box and thus I used jigdo with
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo
Unfortunately one package seems to be removed from the mirrors (see the
log below and search for serial-modules-2.4.22-1-386-di_0.9_i38
* Mattia Dongili
| and btw, (I'm still in the NM queue) how do I remove the ITP bug? do I
| just need to close it?
yes, just close it. (To get rid of it, I can't answer for whether the
module is included in XF4.3 or not.)
--
Tollef Fog Heen
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:39:46PM +0100, Peter Busser said
> > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003, Peter Busser wrote:
> > > In fact, anyone can do it Russell, I'm pretty sure even you can do
> > > it:
> > Why not volunteer to make the .deb, get a sponsor and get it uploaded
> > then?
>
> Good idea! Already did
Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed
> seperate from libc?
Ths issue is not whether it is needed separately from libc-dev, the
issue is that it comes from a different upstream source and thus is
best handled in a separa
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:51AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:49:39AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > [...]
> > [...]
>
> Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really
> care about the difference
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:47:41PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (local.debian-devel) you wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
>
> > * Package name: synaptic-touchpad
> > Version : 0.12.0
> > Upstream Author : Peter Österlund <[EMAIL PROTEC
Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
>> Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or
>> > not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen.
>> So yo
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:05:44PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:47:29PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> | Now, what's finally got to me one too many times:
> | * I run firebird then can't run mozilla.
> | * I run mozilla then can't run firebird.
>
> I've also notic
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:42:14PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:17:12PM -0500, Alex Pennace wrote:
> > A well meaning NMU to unstable can be helpful in the interim.
> > Naturally, submit a bug to describe the NMU; a diff is useful. If I
> > notice any problems I'll work with the u
On 05 Nov 2003 03:05:37 +0100
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scripsit Jorge Bernal (Koke) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > CDCat is a graphical, multiplatform media catalog program which scans the
> > directories/drives you specify and makes a list of the filesystem
> > (including
> >
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:47:29PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
| Now, what's finally got to me one too many times:
| * I run firebird then can't run mozilla.
| * I run mozilla then can't run firebird.
I've also noticed this. A quick look at the BTS shows that someone has
already filed a bug on
If this should go to -user, please holler - I'll happily subscribe if I
can get this discussed somewhere.
I use the following commands:
mozilla-firebird => run Mozilla Firebird browser
mozilla -edit => run Mozilla (trad. only?) editor
mozilla => run Mozilla (traditional) browser (though rarely)
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On Tuesday 04 November 2003 22:10, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:20:26PM +0100, Jorge Bernal (Koke) wrote:
> > The cdcat is a graphical (QT based) multiplatform (Linux/Windows)
> > catalog program which scan your directoryes/driv
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or
> > not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen.
>
> So your "substantive reason" is: "The name of the n
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On 2003-11-03 17:20, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Maybe we should solve the debate about grsec and standard kernels by
> > > adding exec-shield to the standard Debian kernel source?
> >
> > Go ahead an
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:51AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote:
| Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really
| care about the differences between PaX and exec-shield. Debian is not,
| and, to the best of my knowledge, will not, choose one for its kernels,
| so there is n
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:49:39AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [...]
> [...]
Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really
care about the differences between PaX and exec-shield. Debian is not,
and, to the best of my knowledg
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