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> That behavior always struck me as fairly evil -- it's never fun when one
> single bit flip can take down a system, and I'd like to see the number
> of bits that can do so be as small as possible. Now that you point out
> the actual code I wish we could do away with that check. Does it really
> bu
Hello,
I was curious to know if anyone would be any interest among the Debian
developers attending OLS (www.linuxsymposium.org) this summer to discuss
the future of the Debian port to AMD64. I will be securing us a space
with the organizers, but if there is only a low volume of interested
bodie
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 10:02:01AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two
> > goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't "change" unintendidly.
> > This could e.g. happen if
Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:15:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Martin Pitt wrote:
> > >Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> > >If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo c
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two
> goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't "change" unintendidly.
> This could e.g. happen if there is a global file called GPL, the
> packages link there copyri
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:39:08PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> example: quorum of 20, two ballots on the measure, plus the default
> option. two major schools of thought: those that support option A, and
> those that support option B.
If the quorum of 20 is significant, neither school of
Hi,
Oh, as a sponsor of the GR, I suppose I should clarify that I
am not going to accept this amendment; I consider it a bad one. This
makes our vote method fail the monoticity criteria
(http://www.electionmethods.org/evaluation.htm). See Scenario 2 below.
I'll present two (pe
Em Mon, 19 May 2003 17:18:19 -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escreveu:
> On 19-May-03, 11:03 (CDT), Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The VMS-style error codes occurred to me as well. Though if one goes
> > that route, I wonder if gettext any longer has advantages over msg
Em 18 May 2003 18:06:40 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
> * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
>
> | On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote:
> |
> | > should always try to stay as close to the original as you can.
> | > Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in
Em Sat, 17 May 2003 20:27:34 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
> 3. If there are two or more authoritative rule sets e.g. for
> British/American/Canadian/Australian English [I don't know
> whether this is true - but it probably is] seek to come
> to an international consens
Aaron M. Ucko (2003-05-20 13:25:47 -0400) :
> Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number
>> of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil,
>> due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to
>> no
On Wed, 21 May 2003 01:45, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
> mounted noexec, then one cannot do
Raul Miller wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:19:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> >The amendment uses the concept of a Quorum requirement to inhibit
> >"stealth decisions" by only a handful of developers. While this is a
> >good thing, the per-option quorum from the amendment
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in
> the third person. I ask again, who on this list actually still feels
> this way?
I do. These days I won't travel to the US even if somebody would
pay me to. I
>As opposed to plowing through your idiotic screed about how people
>shouldn't have high standards, which is clearly not a waste of time
>since it has important implications for how all developers maintain
>their packages, right?
Seems you couldn't resist helping me by extending the thread? But th
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>
> You actually propose two separate amendments. Please don't do that, it
> smells of politics. :-/
the changes are related, if just 2 was changed, then the majority
requirements in 3 have an undesired side-effect.
let me find that message . .
= http://lists.debian.org
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:06:17PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > BTW, why at the time of my first post many DNS weren't neither able to
> > resolve the alioth.debian.org hostname? I think that it should be
> > resolvable even when alioth is down, shouldn't it?
>
> No because alioth has its own
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root and now Mozilla
> Firebird hangs when starting it as user. Does anybody else experience
> this? Any hints on diagnosing?
been there, done that.
there were some files in /usr/lib/moz
Hi,
You actually propose two separate amendments. Please don't do that, it smells
of politics. :-/
John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
- 2. If the ballot has a quorum requirement R any options other
-than the default option which do not receive at least R votes
-ranking that option
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On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:19:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
>The amendment uses the concept of a Quorum requirement to inhibit
>"stealth decisions" by only a handful of developers. While this is a
>good thing, the per-option quorum from the amendment has a tendency to
>fur
I'm pleased to announce that Debian Wiki (http://wiki.debian.net) is
back online, and should stay that way. I've had lots of trouble with
Zope on my not-so-high-memory server, and that's why it sometimes is
down for now reason. I was thinking of moving it to UseMod, but then I
read http://www.per
On ti, 2003-05-20 at 20:25, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
> > non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
> > part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers
Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
>>This is a remeniscent (sp?)
> "remnant", probably. "reminiscent of" means "similar to".
My guess at what he meant was "reminiscence".
- ...
- a remembered experience
...
- something so like another as to be r
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have to go into /var/run/. The program, therefore, is:
1. Wherever possible, state files in /etc/ should be eliminated
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:14:33AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Emile van Bergen wrote:
> > However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from
> > bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are
> > receiving email from.
> Never said they should refrain. I do think t
Fellow developers,
I propose the following amendment to the Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote
tallying Constitutional amendment. This amendment supersedes the
amendment proposed in Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If the sponsor rejects this change, I request seconds on this amendment,
so that it app
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ED> From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
ED> interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
ED> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:
I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root a
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> I don't see any objection to symlinking if both packages are created of
> the same sourcepackage, the second one depends on =first-package-version
> and (naturally) have the same copyright.
It makes it impossible to extract the chan
Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
> non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
> part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans
> coming into the country.
Two of the peo
* Adrian Bunk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030520 19:20]:
> Several packages in Debian depend on another package and symlink their
> /usr/share/doc/ to the directory of this other package.
>
> Section 13.5. of your policy says:
>
> <-- snip -->
>
> 13.5. Copyright information
> --
Le Tue, May 20, 2003 at 03:07:15PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli écrivait:
> BTW, why at the time of my first post many DNS weren't neither able to
> resolve the alioth.debian.org hostname? I think that it should be
> resolvable even when alioth is down, shouldn't it?
No because alioth has its own DNS
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
> interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:
>
> deb http://people.debian.org/~eric/debi
> Unless someone can convince me that my interpretation of your policy is
> wrong I'll start filing bugs against packages that symlink
> /usr/share/doc/ to the directory of another package.
Policy 13.3 says:
...
`/usr/share/doc/' may be a symbolic link to another
directory in `/usr/sha
Hi,
I've finished work on debconfising the wu-ftpd package. It seems to work
on the couple of test systems I have here. However, I'd like to see the
package have a little bit more testing before I upload it to the
archive.
If anyone is willing to do this, bearing in mind that it MAY not be 100%
p
> For those reasons, I am planning to organise Debconf 4 in Vancouver (or
> maybe somewhere else, if there's a lot of hate for vancouver) sometime
> in the summer of 2004.
Yipee!
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:15:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Martin Pitt wrote:
> >Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> >If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x /lib/ld-linux.so.2
> Pa
Several packages in Debian depend on another package and symlink their
/usr/share/doc/ to the directory of this other package.
Section 13.5. of your policy says:
<-- snip -->
13.5. Copyright information
---
Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hi All,
the debian-multimedia mailing list has been created by the lists
administrators (thank you).
Whoever cold be interested you can subscribe here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
This would also be a fantastic opportunitu, as well,
On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 22:07, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days?
While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the appar
Hi,
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:45:21PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
> moun
Martin Pitt wrote:
>Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
>If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x /lib/ld-linux.so.2
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ ls
bash: /bin/ls: Permission denied
[EMAIL
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:45:21PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
> mounted noexec, th
> > Uhhh, nope, sorry. Close them correctly or don't close them at all.
>
> Note, that a new upload, that correctly closes the bugs, will be incorrect
> as well.
>
> The reason for that is [...]
Although I'm not in any way involved in the actual issue:
Thank you for a good and calm explanation, A
subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Denis Barbier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should
> > be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages.
>
> The general rule is that manpages-$lang conta
Hi,
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:14:33AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Emile van Bergen wrote:
> > However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from
> > bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are
> > receiving email from.
>
> Never said they should refrain. I do
Hi!
Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
mounted noexec, then one cannot do /foo/myprog, but
/lib/ld-linux.so.1 /foo/myprog
I just had to write and say thanks. Now that libfam0c102 is listed as a
libfam0, I can install parts GNOME1 and GNOME2 *together*! I didn't think this
could even be done.
This is FANTASTIC, and yet another reason why Debian is simply the best
distribution ever.
Keep up the great work, guys!
* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-13 12:11]:
> Here is a list of packages in unstable maintained by people on James's
> lists. May not be complete, but I grepped for names and for emails
> seperately so probably found most of them.
Thanks for this list; thoes packages have been orphaned or
Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-21
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: mozilla-bonobo
Version : 0.3.0
Upstream Author : Christian Glodt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.nongnu.org/moz-bonobo/
* License : GPL
Description : GNOME Bo
On Tue, 20 May 2003 07:14:33 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I don't like school boy rules and I thought I'd tell everyone.
Good manners are school boy rules? I suppose I would have
liked you better when you were younger, then.
manoj
--
There ain't nothin' in this
Atsuhito Kohda writes:
> From: Agustin Martin Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
>> I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they
>> would also like to know abou
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:42:35PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> ) which did not solved the problem which was couased only on MIPS but
> added new trouble for (probably) all architectures. I'm no automake
> expert and I *really* do not know what to do here.
Looking at the bug report, you say
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 11:03:17AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> It seems to me this would be mitigated by two factors: 1) if they know
> enough to realize they should be emailing you in English, they probably
> realize they need to send the error messages in English too (by running
> e2fsprogs in
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:44:37AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/CVS/alioth/exim/exim> cvs update
> System bootup in progress - please wait
> cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
> cu andreas
What a progress! :-)
BTW, wh
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:05:39PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> >
> > I could use some non-mac m68k boxes to do exactly that :-)
> >
>
> Does that include boxes that are not supported by the kernel yet ?
If it passes by a kern
Hi,
I just tried to follow the advise of Ryan Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (see
http://bugs.debian.org/190231
) which did not solved the problem which was couased only on MIPS but added
new trouble for (probably) all architectures. I'm no automake expert and
I *really* do not know what
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > At http://www.freebsd.org/donations/wantlist.html, the FreeBSD
> > developers have a list of computer-related stuff they could use to
> > improve their work on the FreeBSD operating system. I think this is
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:23:51AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> En r?ponse ? Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl
> > ...
> >
> > Was this expected?
>
> Yes, and no.
>
> No, because it is a connection failure.
> Yes,
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
>
> I could use some non-mac m68k boxes to do exactly that :-)
>
Does that include boxes that are not supported by the kernel yet ? I
have a VME 68030 board with full hardware documentation here...
Frank
Hi,
I'm about to sponsor a program which uses libdb3++. I have to admit that
I do not know anything about libdb3 and just try to foreward a problem which
occures only on my box - not at the box from the maintainer. I just reduced
the problem to a minimum. The configure script generated a C++ fi
Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ...
[...]
There is progress:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/CVS/alioth/exim/exim> cvs update
System bootup in progress - please wait
cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult abo
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:54:59PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> From: Agustin Martin Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
>
> > I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to
> > > be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I rea
En réponse à Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl
> ...
>
> Was this expected?
Yes, and no.
No, because it is a connection failure.
Yes, because the machine is a ia64 ;-)
Cheers,
--
Jérôme Marant
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 07:21:51AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
>
> > [All Cc's removed]
> >
> > On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to
> > be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-
On Mon 19 May 2003, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:17:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > (I'd quote a proverb about how small things lead to big things, but I
> > can't currently think of any of those in English. :)
>
> "Look after the pennies and the pounds will take care of the
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Mike Fedyk wrote:
> > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:24:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > > already fixed there. They should go into a security update repository,
> > > just
> > > as is done for stable, but not on security.debian.o
Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ...
Was this expected?
Cheers.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],debian.org,bononia.it} - http://www.bononia.it/zack/
" I know you believe you understood what you
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:38:47AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > Highly technical packages like zebra, netfilter-related stuff and
> > linux-atm are most likely to be used by people who know English. Not
> > speaking English will make
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:31:41PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Looks good, but why the long binary name? Wouldn't just `firebird'
> be nicer?
$ apt-cache search firebird
Read mozillazine.org for the gossip around that :-)
--
Marcelo
* Gunnar Wolf
| Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sun, May 18, 2003 at 04:21:15PM +0200]:
| > | Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a
| > | laptop ?
| >
| > Hopefully, yes, but if you can bring a laptop: do it. :)
|
| Tollef, I might be able to bring an extra laptop with
Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:24:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > already fixed there. They should go into a security update repository, just
> > as is done for stable, but not on security.debian.org.
>
> Why not? It's already there.
>
> #Security
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to
> be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-200207/msg1.html),
> but haven't heard from him in a week.
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
>> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/.
MB> Looks good, but why the long binary name?
MB> Wouldn't just `firebird' be nicer?
Because it's name is Mozilla Firebird (tm) :)
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Emile van Bergen wrote:
> However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from
> bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are
> receiving email from.
Never said they should refrain. I do think that it's a waste of time though.
> IOW, if everybody just tries to a
On Mon, 19 May 2003, Brian Nelson wrote:
> reopen 193287
> reopen 193286
> thanks
>
> Marco Presi (Zufus) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Format: 1.7
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:30:39 +0200
> > Source: pointless
> > Binary: pointless
> > Architecture: source i386
> > Version: 0.3-3
> > Distrib
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