Many ports open by default

2001-04-29 Thread Dwayne C. Litzenberger
I suspect it's already been discussed before, so I'll ask instead of flaming. (See! I can learn!) Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed? For instance, portmap is installed by default whether you're using NFS or not, and bnetd runs even if I just installed the packag

libdb3.so and libdb-3.so

2001-04-29 Thread GOTO Masanori
Hi, I wonder why libdb3 package includes /usr/lib/libdb3.so.3.0.2 , /usr/lib/libdb-3.so , however libdb3-dev package includes /usr/lib/libdb3.so . Which (libdb3/libdb-3) is the more appropriate name to link libdb3, when I use libdb3 with my package ? IMHO, 2 link name o

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Re: RFC: English translation list

2001-04-29 Thread Henrique M Holschuh
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Joey Hess wrote: > What I am proposing is a new list, similar in scope to the other l10n > lists, where developers can bring text they need a clean English version > of (be the original in some other language, or their best try in > English), and get a good English translation

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Herbert Xu wrote: > With properly constructed dependencies, finding matching packages shouldn't > be an issue. Please also consider that if the user were to compile his own > kernel, he would face the problem of having to recompile the modules > packages if they're needed. Please explain how prop

Re: analysis of package dependencies

2001-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I believe it is debfoster that works the way you described, while deborphan > merely finds installed library packages that do not satisfy any dependencies. You're right of course. -- see shy jo

FWD: Popularity-contest submission doesn't go through to apenwarr-survey@klecker.debain.org

2001-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Anyone have a clue? - Forwarded message from Jimmy Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Jimmy Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:24:53 -0600 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Popularity-contest submission doesn't go through to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All,

RFC: English translation list

2001-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
English is Debian's de-facto language -- all of our developers have at least some proficiency it it, and all are required to create English documents, such as package descriptions, man pages, debconf templates, README.Debian files, and so on. But we're not all native English speakers, and sometimes

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-29 Thread Daniel Schepler
Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:00:07AM -0500, BugScan reporter wrote: > > > > Package: cvs (debian/main) > > Maintainer: Eric Gillespie, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 95263 missing build dependency > > The policy says: > > A source package may dec

Re: Conflict: libgb

2001-04-29 Thread Ben Burton
> As the sgb maintainer, it would probably have been wise to email me as > well ([EMAIL PROTECTED] would do). I just happened to see the > email Hi.. sorry, I completely didn't think of it (as with so many other things this last week, which has been a complete disaster but anyway..). > Anyw

Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

2001-04-29 Thread Brian May
> "Russell" == Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Russell> That sounds like a really bad idea to me. Russell> In a regular setup the IDE controller and the drive get Russell> power from the same source. So if the signals on the Russell> cable have more current going on

Re: Conflict: libgb

2001-04-29 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 02:24:15AM -0500, Ben Burton wrote: > > Hi. I am currently packaging Gnome Basic (ITP: #94328) which wishes to > install /usr/lib/libgb.* and /usr/lib/libgbrun.*. > > After searching through the debian package directory it appears that package > sgb also installs /usr/lib

Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

2001-04-29 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:14:35AM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > In a regular setup the IDE controller and the drive get power from the same > source. So if the signals on the cable have more current going one way than > the other then the difference will be made up on the 0V line on the PSU. I

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:22:22PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Because it regularly happens that the bug is ignored upstream and then the > BTS gets bloated with upstream bugs, making it more difficult to manage > the bugs that are really Debian related. But upstream or not, those are still bu

Re: configuring ISA PnP devices with kernel 2.4 & isapnptools

2001-04-29 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:28:53PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote: > I would greatly value other's experience with PnP cards. I have just > one, myself, and only just installed a 2.4 kernel on Friday to see > what the new interface is like. It took me most of the evening to > figure out how to re-

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Patrick von der Hagen
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:44:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] > Whereas all bugs may be created equal, all bug reports are not. If an > upstream developer receives a bug report from a Debian developer with whom she > has a good working relationship, she's reasonably assured that the bug re

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Patrick, On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Patrick von der Hagen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:09:51PM +0800, zhaoway wrote: > [...] > > upstream issue? I agree that if you're a noname random clueless mere > > user then the package maintainer shouldn't just close this usibility > > bug blindly. > Wel

postgresql and libssl - Bug#95146

2001-04-29 Thread Oliver Elphick
I have to reiterate a query about what to do with postgresql in view of its now being linked with libssl. Since this question is currently being referred to legal advice, do you want me to move postgresql into non-us, which will force any packages depending on it into non-us too, or should I leave

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-29 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rahul Jain) writes: > maybe there should be meta-packages for packages that have embedded version > numbers like that. In the general case, yes. In this case, there is no need for one, since the package in question is build-essential, and so need not be listed in a build depen

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-29 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:34:03AM +0800, zhaoway wrote: > > i vote for alot of binary kernels. but i'd rather see someone comes > out will better ideas. if we are voting here, i'd vote for the very minimul number of stock kernels. if someone wants something more tuned, then roll your own, or the

Re: configuring ISA PnP devices with kernel 2.4 & isapnptools

2001-04-29 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:27:59AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 07:52:38PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote: > > > > What is already handled by modutils? Loading the isa-pnp module? > > Configuring the PnP cards? > > Sorry, I wasn't talking about the same thing as you. But,

searching for Bill Geddes [Mailer-Daemon@master.debian.org: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]

2001-04-29 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Looks like another one of those Maintainer fields broken by hp/agilent split or whatever it was... - Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivery-date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:05:26 +0200 X-Failed-Recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mail Delivery System <[EM

Re: debbugs can now send bug mails to someone different than the maintainer

2001-04-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:31:19PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > It would be great to have an automated system where one could subscribe to > bugs for a particular package without having all the hassles of filling a > bug and waiting an answer. And having something automated would allow me > to

Re: Intent to package intel-rng-tools.

2001-04-29 Thread David Schleef
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:32:59AM +0530, Viral wrote: > > As long as it isn't too bothersome for you, would you mind explaining why > > the kernel doesn't activate it by default? Or why it isn't a `make config' > > option? And why is a daemon needed for it? > > No, its not bothersome to explain.

Re: Keysigning request in New York City

2001-04-29 Thread mdanish
I will be back in the NYC area on May 16th, if no one else has signed your key by then, I will do it. On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 12:33:39PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi, I have recently started maintaining a Debian package for Althea, an IMAP > email client for GTK+. That package, thanks to the

Keysigning request in New York City

2001-04-29 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi, I have recently started maintaining a Debian package for Althea, an IMAP email client for GTK+. That package, thanks to the sponsorship of current Debian developer Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, is now in unstable. I would like to become a Debian developer so that I can upload that package

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Patrick von der Hagen
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:09:51PM +0800, zhaoway wrote: [...] > upstream issue? I agree that if you're a noname random clueless mere > user then the package maintainer shouldn't just close this usibility > bug blindly. Well, actually I am a noname random clueless mere user. But I don't seen, why

[Mailer-Daemon@master.debian.org: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]

2001-04-29 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, The [EMAIL PROTECTED] address causes occasional bounces every now and then, and it seems to be due to connectivity problems (connection timing out, every time). Incidentally, this particular message was _from_ the same address, but that isn't so every time, bug reports get lost. Please don't

Re: ITP: darj - arj archive unpacking tool

2001-04-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 01:10:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > (I filed this as bug#95252, but used X-Debian-CC instead of X-Debbugs-CC. > Strange... I remember it being X-Debian-CC once.) It was, a couple of years ago. :) It was renamed in debbugs because other people started using it and it

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:09:51PM +0800, zhaoway wrote: > You guys are getting more and more bureaucratic. That's sad. > > That said, why don't you report the bug directly to the upstream, instead > of insisting on this (bureaucratic) procedure of reporting bugs to > [upstream] There is (should

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 09:20:59PM -0700, Alexander Hvostov écrivait: > > You guys are getting more and more bureaucratic. That's sad. > > Bureaucracy is integral to an organization such as Debian. you're going to > have to learn to live with it. Certainly not. We have rules to follow, but that's

Re: debbugs can now send bug mails to someone different than the maintainer

2001-04-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:25:16AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrivait: > This is useful, when the real maintainer is doing the upload, and dinstall > compares the uploader to the real maintainer, but an entire list of people > should actually get the bug reports. It would be great to have an automa

Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

2001-04-29 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:50:26PM +0200, Andreas Bombe wrote: > The IBM SCSI disk I have here has a jumper to delay spin up depending on > SCSI ID so that an array of those would spin up sequentially if they all > had those jumper set (and different IDs, which they need anyway). Sorry I missed th

Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

2001-04-29 Thread Russell Coker
On Sunday 29 April 2001 06:48, Brandon High wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:50:26PM +0200, Andreas Bombe wrote: > > The IBM SCSI disk I have here has a jumper to delay spin up depending on > > SCSI ID so that an array of those would spin up sequentially if they all > > had those jumper set (and

Re: [RP] Re: Lightweight Web browsers

2001-04-29 Thread Martin Samuelsson
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:39:48PM +0800, zhaoway wrote: > Nay, I haven't ever done even once -geometry thingy. Always > maximise. Why not? Those apps can't do it sucks. :) (Though I'd really > hope ratpoison could come over it, maybe a container alike applet for > things such as Gimp etc.? Ie a li

Re: Gnome bug 94684Subject: Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread Rahul Jain
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:39:42PM +0800, zhaoway wrote: > > Bureaucracy is integral to an organization such as Debian. > > I beg to disagree. :) Maybe we need a subcommitte to determine the validity of that statement ;) -- -> -/- - Rahul Jain - -\- <

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-29 Thread Rahul Jain
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:30:44AM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote: > I'd be tempted to agree with you, except... > > I've spent quite a bit of time recently dealing with packages that include an > explicit build dependency on "libstdc++2.10-dev". This is not necessary since > it is a dependency for an

Re: ITP: darj - arj archive unpacking tool

2001-04-29 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 09:36:28PM -0700, Alexander Hvostov wrote: > Why not put the core into a library (libdarj.so or something)? This > sounds like something that could be used by a multitude of programs > (eg, Nautilus). This would also allow you to make one program that > wraps the library and

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-29 Thread zhaoway
> Bureaucracy is integral to an organization such as Debian. I beg to disagree. :) -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/dim .. Debian Chinese Input Method http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdlinux .. Debian running on Live! CDs http://njlug.sourceforge.net NanJing GNU/Linux User Gro

Re: Lightweight Web browsers

2001-04-29 Thread zhaoway
> Oh I know about ratpoison :) Of course one can always do the 'xterm' > style of window managing (ie, extensive use of the -geometry option > :) Nay, I haven't ever done even once -geometry thingy. Always maximise. Why not? Those apps can't do it sucks. :) (Though I'd really hope ratpoison could

Re: Proposing task-debian

2001-04-29 Thread Dr. Guenter Bechly
Hi, On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:38:04AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > Recently I found two packages, debsig-verify and apt-listchanges only by > coincidence because I read in a mailing list about them. Generally, I like the idea of a task-debian metapackage, because I also just discovered some

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-29 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It isn't *quite* that simple. Explicit build dependencies should only be > > for packages that are neither essential nor build-essential. > > But it's entirely harmless to mention them; this is an

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-29 Thread David Starner
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:29:20PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It isn't *quite* that simple. Explicit build dependencies should only be > > for packages that are neither essential nor build-essential. > > But it's entirely harmless to ment

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It isn't *quite* that simple. Explicit build dependencies should only be > for packages that are neither essential nor build-essential. But it's entirely harmless to mention them; this is an area where it's better to err on the side of liberality than

Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

2001-04-29 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya... might be easier/cheaper to use a simple RC delay to deliver power to the IDE disks before the motherboard actually gets the "power up" - remember that the atx powersupply has a "power-ok" signal to tell the motherboard go ahead and power up... ( aka the powe

Re: Intent to package intel-rng-tools.

2001-04-29 Thread Viral
> As long as it isn't too bothersome for you, would you mind explaining why > the kernel doesn't activate it by default? Or why it isn't a `make config' > option? And why is a daemon needed for it? No, its not bothersome to explain. This extract comes from 2.4.4's Documentation/i810_rng.txt. I als