Frans Pop, le Wed 29 Mar 2006 02:47:03 +0200, a écrit :
> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 01:50, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > I said "almost works" because it seems like udevd calls the "add" hook
> > for the same USB device several times more during the installation
> > (when probing devices), hence star
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 01:50, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> I said "almost works" because it seems like udevd calls the "add" hook
> for the same USB device several times more during the installation
> (when probing devices), hence starting brltty a few additional times...
> I don't know udev stuff
Hi,
Ok, now that this whole discussion took place, here is something that
(almost) works:
http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini.iso (9ed7c3a112a6d72834f6ffeef19d615a)
I attached the patch that I applied to brltty and bogl for getting that
result (they shouldn't be considered as final of course).
You c
Frans Pop, le Tue 28 Mar 2006 23:45:15 +0200, a écrit :
> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 23:25, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > In debian installer, yes, but the brltty should be the same when
> > booting the real distribution, in which case which we would like to
> > have brltty started possibly before even
[quoted lines by Frans Pop on 2006/03/28 at 23:20 +0200]
>Before init is run? That is where proc is mounted by d-i, right at the
>very beginning of the boot sequence.
That's not generally true of all systems. What is true, however, is that brltty
happily uses /proc/bus/usb if usbfs is already mo
Dave Mielke, le Tue 28 Mar 2006 16:52:17 -0500, a écrit :
> [quoted lines by Frans Pop on 2006/03/28 at 23:20 +0200]
>
> >Before init is run? That is where proc is mounted by d-i, right at the
> >very beginning of the boot sequence.
>
> That's not generally true of all systems. What is true, how
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 22:08, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> « I don't think that's a good idea. It requires that /proc be already
> mounted. If we don't also mount /proc then we can't mount usbfs in the
> standard palce, and, as a result, brltty still can't see USB devices.
> If we do mount /proc then
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 23:25, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> In debian installer, yes, but the brltty should be the same when
> booting the real distribution, in which case which we would like to
> have brltty started possibly before even the root partition fsck, hence
> before /proc is mounted.
Hmm.
Frans Pop, le Tue 28 Mar 2006 23:20:49 +0200, a écrit :
> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 22:08, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > « I don't think that's a good idea. It requires that /proc be already
> > mounted. If we don't also mount /proc then we can't mount usbfs in the
> > standard palce, and, as a result,
Here is answer from Dave:
Frans Pop, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 23:52:49 +0200, a écrit :
> On Tuesday 21 March 2006 03:03, Frans Pop wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:12, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > > BTW, is /etc/brltty/usbfs really a good location for that?
> > >
> > > Yes, because the brltty-ude
[quoted lines by Samuel Thibault on 2006/03/28 at 15:57 +0200]
Hi:
>for some reason it fails here... Maybe udev, while still
>booting, prevents brltty from being able to create anything in /dev?
In my opinion, it's more important to give the blind person his screen as
quickly as possible rather
Dave Mielke, le Tue 28 Mar 2006 06:59:56 -0500, a écrit :
> [quoted lines by Samuel Thibault on 2006/03/28 at 11:41 +0200]
>
> >However, although it works well when hotplugging the device after
> >bootup, it does not when booting with the device already plugged,
> >because USB seems to be discover
[quoted lines by Samuel Thibault on 2006/03/28 at 11:41 +0200]
Hi:
>However, although it works well when hotplugging the device after
>bootup, it does not when booting with the device already plugged,
>because USB seems to be discovered before vcsa nodes are available,
>hence brltty fails.
brltt
Samuel Thibault, le Tue 28 Mar 2006 01:06:55 +0200, a écrit :
> Joey Hess, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 16:51:45 -0500, a écrit :
> > if there is a way for udev to discover braille devices
> > that would be an excellent way to go.
>
> Here is a .rules file that should work fine
Mmm, sorry, here is one that
Joey Hess, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 16:51:45 -0500, a écrit :
> if there is a way for udev to discover braille devices
> that would be an excellent way to go.
Here is a .rules file that should work fine (provided that brltty is not
running in autodetect mode already). Mario, you may want to install it
i
Joey Hess, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 16:51:45 -0500, a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Well, maybe this could be fixed somehow. Mario, maybe we could rather
> > use hotplug rules for only starting brltty when
> >
> > - either hotplug discovered braille USB devices,
>
> We use udev now,
Yes, sorry,
Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Well, maybe this could be fixed somehow. Mario, maybe we could rather
> use hotplug rules for only starting brltty when
>
> - either hotplug discovered braille USB devices,
We use udev now, if there is a way for udev to discover braille devices
that would be an excellent
Hi,
Frans Pop, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 23:52:49 +0200, a écrit :
> I sent the mail below to you and the bug report just under a week ago.
> Did you give this any thought?
Well, I do agree with you, but it's rather to the maintainers (Mario for
Debian and Dave for upstream) who should give their though
Samuel Thibault, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 22:59:15 +0200, a écrit :
> - or the user added brltty= parameter on the command line.
on the kernel command line I mean.
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Hi,
Joey Hess, le Mon 27 Mar 2006 15:50:36 -0500, a écrit :
> As far as I can see, brltty-udeb unconditionally starts up brltty on
> debian-installer startup.
Well, maybe this could be fixed somehow. Mario, maybe we could rather
use hotplug rules for only starting brltty when
- either hotplug di
As far as I can see, brltty-udeb unconditionally starts up brltty on
debian-installer startup. As noted in #359062, it won't work if the
framebuffer display and bterm are being used.
I wonder what the effect of startg in brltty is on systems that don't
have a braille display? Does the daemon remai
Hi,
Martin Michlmayr, le Tue 21 Mar 2006 01:44:52 +, a écrit :
> * Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-21 02:41]:
> > -usb option to qemu, usbcore correctly gets autoloaded, and brltty hence
> > can mount usbfs as expected.
>
> Excellent!
So here is an updated patch (the difference
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:12, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > BTW, is /etc/brltty/usbfs really a good location for that?
>
> Yes, because the brltty-udeb package contains that directory, so we are
> sure that it will exist.
Note that kbd-chooser also uses usbfs and contains this code (slightly
rewri
(Note: we rather say "a USB braille device")
Martin Michlmayr, le Tue 21 Mar 2006 01:21:03 +, a écrit :
> Okay, so I guess the _real_ problem (really this time ;) is this: if
> you have a USB brltty device, why does plugging it in not load the USB
> modules?
Because no kernel modules are used
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-21 02:41]:
> -usb option to qemu, usbcore correctly gets autoloaded, and brltty hence
> can mount usbfs as expected.
Excellent!
Thanks for working on this.
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Martin Michlmayr, le Tue 21 Mar 2006 00:56:03 +, a écrit :
> * Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-21 01:00]:
> > It just mounts usbdevfs itself by hand on /etc/brltty/usbfs:
> >
> > mount("usbfs", "/etc/brltty/usbfs", "usbfs", 0, NULL)
>
> I think your problem is something completel
Martin Michlmayr, le Tue 21 Mar 2006 00:59:10 +, a écrit :
> * Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-08 10:49]:
> > Index: build/pkg-lists/netboot-apus/common
>
> IMHO, the patch generally looks good. Thanks for working on this.
> However, I think the udeb shouldn't be put on all image
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-21 01:00]:
> It just mounts usbdevfs itself by hand on /etc/brltty/usbfs:
>
> mount("usbfs", "/etc/brltty/usbfs", "usbfs", 0, NULL)
I think your problem is something completely different: The directory
/etc/brltty/usbfs does not exist, and therefor t
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-08 10:49]:
> Index: build/pkg-lists/netboot-apus/common
IMHO, the patch generally looks good. Thanks for working on this.
However, I think the udeb shouldn't be put on all images.
> --- build/pkg-lists/floppy/common (révision 35325)
> +++ build
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-21 02:14]:
> > > cdebconf-newt-udeb
> > > +cdebconf-text-udeb
> > > +brltty-udeb
> >
> > How big are these udebs?
>
> The latest (3.7.2-2) is ~130Ko.
Right, definitely too big for floppies.
> Well, with the recent update of brltty to 3.7.2, people
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-21 02:12]:
> > I think your problem is something completely different: The directory
> > /etc/brltty/usbfs does not exist, and therefor the mount fails.
> It does exist. Just modprobing usbcore makes brltty happy.
Ah, okay. I was using the standard p
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-20 10:36]:
> > Sounds like a bug in brltty. Why doesn't it load it if it needs it?
>
> This would mean calling system("modprobe usbdevfs"), or even
> system("`cat /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe` usbdevfs"). Looks weird to
> be (I'm used to see modules aut
Martin Michlmayr, le Mon 20 Mar 2006 23:47:13 +, a écrit :
> * Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-20 10:36]:
> > > Sounds like a bug in brltty. Why doesn't it load it if it needs it?
> >
> > This would mean calling system("modprobe usbdevfs"), or even
> > system("`cat /proc/sys/kern
Martin Michlmayr, le Mon 20 Mar 2006 01:44:41 +, a écrit :
> * Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-20 01:10]:
> > Samuel Thibault, le Mon 20 Mar 2006 00:54:25 +0100, a écrit :
> > > Could usbfs be please added to installer kernels?
> > Ah, sorry, it is already available, but as a modul
* Samuel Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-20 01:10]:
> Samuel Thibault, le Mon 20 Mar 2006 00:54:25 +0100, a écrit :
> > Could usbfs be please added to installer kernels?
> Ah, sorry, it is already available, but as a module that doesn't get
> auto-loaded. Is there a proper way of doing this?
Hi,
I tested the latest (3.7.2-2) brltty package, USB doesn't seem to work,
because the usbfs filesystem is not available: syslog is filled with
brltty[2918]: USBFS not mounted.
brltty[2918]: Mounting USBFS: /etc/brltty/usbfs
brltty[2918]: USBFS mount error: /etc/brltty/usbfs: No such device
And
Samuel Thibault, le Mon 20 Mar 2006 00:54:25 +0100, a écrit :
> Could usbfs be please added to installer kernels?
Ah, sorry, it is already available, but as a module that doesn't get
auto-loaded. Is there a proper way of doing this?
Regards,
Samuel
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Hi,
Here is a patch that makes debian-installer better accessible to
visually impaired people, by just including brltty-udeb. I tried it,
brltty starts fine and detects devices. The patch also adds the text
debconf interfa
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