RE: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-31 Thread graham.mullier
Mark, re 'ITIL': > > It is more the ITIL standards, and Commercial vendor lobbying, our > > accountants are clueless :) > > I have no idea what ITIL means, but would probably prefer to keep > it that way :) > > a standard that forces use of specific and commercial packages > is not a standard

Re: Fwd: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-31 Thread Roland Krause
--- Walid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some of the inconsistencies we see is usually when one of the admin > choses > the easy routes, and does changes manually to a set of nodes, and > does not > update the installation files (our installations are rpm kickstart > based), > others are becuase

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-31 Thread Peter Clapham
On 30 Aug 2007, at 13:10, Tim Cutts wrote: On 29 Aug 2007, at 9:22 am, Walid wrote: What do HPC sites use for configuration/change management, and configuration monitoring other than cfengine, pupet (agent based), are there any agentless monitoring tools available to check for inconsisten

Re: Fwd: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Gerry Creager
Walid wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *Walid* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Date: Aug 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring To: "Robert G. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>&g

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Walid
Hi Mark I have no idea what ITIL means, but would probably prefer to keep > it that way :) actually it is not that bad, the section of ITIL "Information Technology Infrastructure Library" that is related to this thread can be seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configuration_Management_%28ITS

Fwd: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Walid
-- Forwarded message -- From: Walid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring To: "Robert G. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Robert On 8/30/07, Robert G. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Mark Hahn
It is more the ITIL standards, and Commercial vendor lobbying, our accountants are clueless :) I have no idea what ITIL means, but would probably prefer to keep it that way :) a standard that forces use of specific and commercial packages is not a standard at all... HPC clusters are normal

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Walid
Hi Tim, On 8/30/07, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We use cfengine. But it's not agentless. Think about it. How can > you possibly have an agentless program to do what you want to do? We are not against agents as a rule, but what we would like to do is to use the current tools, and u

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Walid
Hi mark On 8/30/07, Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is a big push where i work to use commercial monitoring, and > service > > I'm terribly sorry. this is a sign that accountants have eaten > the brains of your IT heads. It is more the ITIL standards, and Commercial vendor lob

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Mark Hahn wrote: There is a big push where i work to use commercial monitoring, and service I'm terribly sorry. this is a sign that accountants have eaten the brains of your IT heads. What do HPC sites use for configuration/change management, and configuration monitorin

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-30 Thread Tim Cutts
On 29 Aug 2007, at 9:22 am, Walid wrote: What do HPC sites use for configuration/change management, and configuration monitoring other than cfengine, pupet (agent based), are there any agentless monitoring tools available to check for inconsistencies of of a node from other nodes, or devi

Re: [Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-29 Thread Mark Hahn
There is a big push where i work to use commercial monitoring, and service I'm terribly sorry. this is a sign that accountants have eaten the brains of your IT heads. What do HPC sites use for configuration/change management, and configuration monitoring other than cfengine, pupet (agent base

[Beowulf] Configuration change monitoring

2007-08-29 Thread Walid
Hi, There is a big push where i work to use commercial monitoring, and service management products, and i am wondering how does other sites manage their daily administration tasks as most of the commercial products target IT/Telecom type of service, and do not take into consideration the different