Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:20:00PM -0500, Rahul Nabar wrote: > Now, if I can only get it to display the remote screen! :) SOL = serial over lan. No concept of a screen. If you want to look at what's on the text console, cat /dev/vcs Or use conman (which is available as a package) to record and

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mark Hahn wrote: > sounds like your version of ipmitool is compiled without lanplus > (or misconfigured in some way) It works now (in a rudimentary way!). Thanks guys, for the tips. I found the ipmitool in a CentOS repo. I gave up on comping my own. /usr/bin/ip

[Beowulf] using watchdog timers to reboot a hung system automagically: Good idea or bad?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
I wanted to get some opinions about if watchdog timers are a good idea or not. I came across watchdogs again when reading through my IPMI manual. In principle it sounds neat: If the system hangs then get it to reboot after, say, 5 minutes automatically. But, in practice, maybe it is a terrible idea

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Gregory Matthews wrote: > Rahul Nabar wrote: >> > did you compile ipmitool yourself? it might be the libcrypto linking issue > described not very satisfactorily here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ipmitool-de...@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01104.html > > perhaps yo

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Don Holmgren
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Rahul Nabar wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Rahul Nabar wrote: I did find the "bootdev" option. So I can change the boot seq. but not the other BIOS settings. Any "industry standard" to change BIOS settings unattended. Preferably over LAN? I guess another way to

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Hahn
definitely not in general. a vendor could certainly provide IPMI extensions that manipulate bios settings. but the market doesn't seem to find this kind of HPC-mostly concern worthwhile :( Well, it's not just for HPC anymore, all the warehouse computing guys (cloud) want this, too. sorry, I

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Joe Landman
Rahul Nabar wrote: Why does a workaround to a hardware bug have to be secret? Just curious.Aren't hardware bugs published in errata regularly? [don't shoot the messenger] Because some hardware bugs are scary, and could/would have profound marketing/sales impacts. -- Joseph Landman,

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Greg Lindahl
> > mobo vendors, but it includes licensed stuff, and also secret > > workarounds to hardware bugs in lots of devices. > > Why does a workaround to a hardware bug have to be secret? Just > curious.Aren't hardware bugs published in errata regularly? It's not that it has to be a secret, it's th

[Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: > the first case.  next, business IT support normally has a drone class, > whose existence is predicated on doing this sort of thing.  at least at my > HPC organization, there are no drones (flatter hierarchy - not that we're > just superior ;) C

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Greg Lindahl wrote: > mobo vendors, but it includes licensed stuff, and also secret > workarounds to hardware bugs in lots of devices. Why does a workaround to a hardware bug have to be secret? Just curious.Aren't hardware bugs published in errata regularly?

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:26:43PM -0400, Mark Hahn wrote: > definitely not in general. a vendor could certainly provide IPMI > extensions that manipulate bios settings. but the market doesn't seem to > find this kind of HPC-mostly concern worthwhile :( Well, it's not just for HPC anymore, all

[Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Hahn
there sometime!...shouldn't this be an enterprise-level concern not just HPC? I mean what if you have 200 Windows machines and wanted to turn hyperthreading off in the BIOS. first, you don't really depend solely on the bios for HT. next, those 200 boxes are probably spread out, and possibly not

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Greg Keller wrote: > What server?  If you have Power Control via IPMI SoL is there (at least > anything less than 3 years old.  Hopefully it's just ipmitool recompile as > others suggested... all the prebuilt packages I've ever used had it. I'm trying two servers

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Don Holmgren wrote: > > It sounds like your ipmitool was built without lanplus support.  Try >   ipmitool -h > and it will list under "Interfaces:" all of the protocols that it will > support.  You may need to explicitly enable lanplus when you configure > the bui

[Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: >> #load the required drivers >> modprobe ipmi_devintf >> modprobe ipmi_si >> modprobe ipmi_msghandler > > IMO, you shouldn't: when permanently active, the local ipmi interface seems > to consume noticable cycles (kipmi thread). just modprobe

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Greg Keller
Hi Rahul, [of course, maybe some of my settings are naiive or erronous; feel free to correct me] OK I can pretty much remote monitor logs, stats, remote power reset etc. The only two things I cannot: (1) Can't do a Serial-on-LAN (SOL); My Dell server needs a special card (read more money)

Re: [Beowulf] Nahalem / PCIe I/O write latency?

2009-10-22 Thread Patrick Geoffray
Hey Larry, Larry Stewart wrote: Does anyone know, or know where to find out, how long it takes to do a store to a device register on a Nahelem system with a PCIexpress device? Are you asking for latency or throughput ? For latency, it depends on the distance between the core and the IOH (eac

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Hahn
ipmitool -H 10.0.0.26 -I lanplus -U root sol activate Password: Error loading interface lanplus Any clue what this might be? How can I get the lanplus interface loaded? sounds like your version of ipmitool is compiled without lanplus (or misconfigured in some way) Is this a driver issue or do

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Don Holmgren
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Rahul Nabar wrote: On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Gregory wrote: Rahul Nabar wrote: (1) Can't do a Serial-on-LAN (SOL); My Dell server needs a special card (read more money) for this function. That is unfortunate. are you sure? have you tried using lanplus instead of

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Gregory Matthews
Rahul Nabar wrote: On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Gregory wrote: Rahul Nabar wrote: (1) Can't do a Serial-on-LAN (SOL); My Dell server needs a special card (read more money) for this function. That is unfortunate. are you sure? have you tried using lanplus instead of lan? (e.g. use ipmitool

[Beowulf] Nahalem / PCIe I/O write latency?

2009-10-22 Thread Larry Stewart
Does anyone know, or know where to find out, how long it takes to do a store to a device register on a Nahelem system with a PCIexpress device? Also, does write combining work with such a setup? I recall that the QLogic Infinipath uses such features to get good short message performance, but my m

Re: [Beowulf] Any industry-standards that allow automated BIOS modifications and dumping? IPMI cannot do it, can it?

2009-10-22 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Gregory wrote: > Rahul Nabar wrote: >> >> (1) Can't do a Serial-on-LAN (SOL); My Dell server needs a special >> card (read more money) for this function. That is unfortunate. > > are you sure? have you tried using lanplus instead of lan? (e.g. use > ipmitool -I lanp