On 3 Apr 2009, at 11:11 pm, Mark Hahn wrote:
involved with Linux, and open source things such as XFS we would not
have the enterprise-level features that we see now.
unclear in several ways. for instance, linux has hotplug cpu
and memory support, but I really think this is dubious, since
t
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Greg Lindahl wrote:
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:14:37AM -0400, Robert G. Brown wrote:
b) The idea is to get the heat production OFF the motherboard. One
really interesting thing about the google design is that they hang the
stock OTC power supply off the back, altogether
Not every cluster FS we see is Lustre.
so what are the non-lustre scalable options for cluster FS?
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On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 02:10:28PM -0300, ariel sabiguero yawelak wrote:
>
>I was wondering if the battery supplies energy for the whole system or
>just the mainboard. If you check the cables, the hard-drives are still
>12V+5V powered. Do you think that they just run without swap and i
Greg Lindahl wrote:
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:15:06PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
It has been, realistically, the only serious choice for big/fast
data systems on Linux for quite some time.
Most big/fast data systems don't have big filesystems. In HPC, the
biggest use something like Lustre; i
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:15:06PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
> It has been, realistically, the only serious choice for big/fast
> data systems on Linux for quite some time.
Most big/fast data systems don't have big filesystems. In HPC, the
biggest use something like Lustre; in business, the big
Glen Beane wrote:
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:47:42AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:34:26AM +0800, Stuart Midgley wrote:
> In 2019 when Intel releases their 1024core chip, still at 2.5GHz with
> 256GB dimm memory, a lot of people will be surprised that linux works
Ai
Robert G. Brown wrote:
You mean a Linux/BSD home where somebody put a knife through the heart
of aimk so it could die die die?
I hope so.
mm (looks for his wooden stake and mallet)
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Mark Hahn wrote:
from my position, XFS was a semi-fringe option for people who distrusted
ext3 for some reason. (and there were a few solid ones, mainly just
>8TB.) going forward, I expect to use ext4
H... rather odd view. xfs has been around quite a bit longer than
ext3. It has bee
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:14:37AM -0400, Robert G. Brown wrote:
> b) The idea is to get the heat production OFF the motherboard. One
> really interesting thing about the google design is that they hang the
> stock OTC power supply off the back, altogether outside of the case
It looks to me li
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:20:32PM -0400, Glen Beane wrote:
> memory bandwidth? The number of cores on a single CPU is growing
> much faster than the memory bandwidth to that CPU, right?
The same thing has happened in the past. For example, "shared bus"
multiprocessors.
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On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:47:42AM +0200, Eugen
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Jon Forrest wrote:
John Hearns wrote:
Taking up my contrary position of today, lets ask what would happen if
there was NO vendor input - specifically to the Linux kernel.
I know I am not answering like with like, as you ask about SGE, but I
hope my point is clear.
It i
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 06:11:43PM -0400, Mark Hahn wrote:
> unclear in several ways. for instance, linux has hotplug cpu
> and memory support, but I really think this is dubious, since there's
> damn little hardware that supports it, _anywhere_.
> it's more of a "bank" feature rather than merel
involved with Linux, and open source things such as XFS we would not
have the enterprise-level features that we see now.
unclear in several ways. for instance, linux has hotplug cpu
and memory support, but I really think this is dubious, since
there's damn little hardware that supports it, _an
Greg Lindahl
> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:14:24AM -0700, David Mathog wrote:
>
> > In the picture on the OP's link the external PS does not look any bigger
> > than a standard unit, which leaves very little room in it for the UPS
> > battery.
>
> The picture shows 2 things sticking out. One is th
Hi Ellis,
First of all most big clusters are really expensive forms of computing.
Hardware outdates really rapidly.
Most companies sell products, they hardly do research.
Research is exclusively government domain, at least in most European
states.
If a company is carrying out research, it usu
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:05:26PM -0700, Ellis Wilson wrote:
> Though entertainingly put, it would be an error to say "ECC is a
> requirement" for everyone in a "cluster group". I can think of more
> than just a few purposes for clusters that truly do not require the
> accuracy guaranteed by
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:14:24AM -0700, David Mathog wrote:
> In the picture on the OP's link the external PS does not look any bigger
> than a standard unit, which leaves very little room in it for the UPS
> battery.
The picture shows 2 things sticking out. One is the PS, the one on the
other
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:47:42AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:34:26AM +0800, Stuart Midgley wrote:
>
> > In 2019 when Intel releases their 1024core chip, still at 2.5GHz with
> > 256GB dimm memory, a lot of people will be surprised that linux works
>
> Ain't going
I was wondering if the battery supplies energy for the whole system or
just the mainboard. If you check the cables, the hard-drives are still
12V+5V powered. Do you think that they just run without swap and if
power fails they just announce that nodes is going down and dies? Do you
prefer thinking
John Hearns wrote:
Taking up my contrary position of today, lets ask what would happen if
there was NO vendor input - specifically to the Linux kernel.
I know I am not answering like with like, as you ask about SGE, but I
hope my point is clear.
It is. I should have been clearer. I wasn't t
2009/4/3 Jon Forrest :
> >
> Which brings up the question of whether SGE, and similar vendor supported
> projects, really need to be vendor supported. There are many consortia,
> foundations, and what-not these days that manage to produce and maintain
> some pretty complicated software. Why couldn'
Robert G. Brown wrote:
There are similar questions associated with IBM. Sun provides support
for some major tools used in Linux these days, notably open office but
also SGE.
Which brings up the question of whether SGE, and similar vendor supported
projects, really need to be vendor supporte
Nifty Tom Mitchell wrote
>
> I suspect that the UPS component is very short. i.e. finish the current
> search, notify the distributed google world that the 'node' is going
> off line and then go off line. I doubt that the specifications for the
> UPS are hours or days the way a national weather
John Hearns wrote:
Would a Sun/SGI merger have been a marriage made in heaven?
No. Wy too much ego (both sides). Wouldn't work. Even worse than
Cray + SGI didn't work (for the same reason).
Don't worry, taxi is ordered and I have my coat.
:)
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Founder and C
On 3 Apr 2009, at 3:17 pm, John Hearns wrote:
2009/4/3 Robert G. Brown :
There are similar questions associated with IBM. Sun provides
support
for some major tools used in Linux these days, notably open office
but
also SGE.
Don't forget MySQL
Who knows what the result of the catfight
2009/4/3 Rayson Ho :
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM, John Hearns wrote:
>>> > There are similar questions associated with IBM. Sun provides support
>>> for some major tools used in Linux these days, notably open office but also
>>> SGE.
>>
>> Don't forget MySQL
>> Who knows what the result of
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM, John Hearns wrote:
>> > There are similar questions associated with IBM. Sun provides support
>> for some major tools used in Linux these days, notably open office but also
>> SGE.
>
> Don't forget MySQL
> Who knows what the result of the catfight between DB2 and
On 01/04/09 18:59 -0700, Ellis Wilson wrote:
>
> Beyond that, building an entire cluster of that size into a large
> shipping container is genius - given access and resources to a crane and
> proper machining expertise. But then again if your building a cluster
> of that size I suppose the cra
2009/4/3 Robert G. Brown :
> > There are similar questions associated with IBM. Sun provides support
> for some major tools used in Linux these days, notably open office but
> also SGE.
Don't forget MySQL
Who knows what the result of the catfight between DB2 and MySQL would be
> Finally I do
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Ian Dillon wrote:
Likewise Joe, watching the demise of SGI has been incredibly hard to fathom.
This was a great company with tons of energy/potential and did right by
their employees back in the day. I think this is why so many of us feel for
the company and its current empl
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Greg Lindahl wrote:
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:11:07AM -0400, Prentice Bisbal wrote:
Or it could be because they make motherboards that convert 12 VDC to 5
VDC on the motherboard.
All Itanium and some other x86 boxes take a single 48V input to the
mobo. I talked to a mobo
On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:14 am, Lux, James P wrote:
But at least the assembler is still source code compatible with your
code for an 8080.
Is it really? Do
mov a,m
or
dad d
exist on X86? I always got the impression that there wasn't real
compatibility between the 8080 and 8086, just that
On 2 Apr 2009, at 10:22 pm, Michael Brown wrote:
On the other side, there's Sun's official "OpenSolaris"
distribution, which is confusingly named the same as the OpenSolaris
project, which is somehow related to Solaris 11, and then there's
Solaris Express, which doesn't exist any more ...
Hallo John,
Freitag, 3. April 2009, meintest Du:
JH> 2009/4/3 Mike Davis :
>> > My experience is the polar opposite. SGI quotes took forever. And that
>> situation goes back to the mid 90's. I can usually have a Sun quote in
>> hours.
JH> This should not turn into a slanging match, but I'll back
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Bill Broadley wrote:
Definitely a nice layout for front -> back airflow. No
perpendicular dimms or heatsinks.
With fans blowing from the top ? And with the only air flow possible
on one side through the fins on the power supply ? And how are the
disks cooled ?
How abou
2009/4/3 Mike Davis :
> > My experience is the polar opposite. SGI quotes took forever. And that
> situation goes back to the mid 90's. I can usually have a Sun quote in
> hours.
This should not turn into a slanging match, but I'll back Stuart up.
SGI can ands have responded in a very timely fashi
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