>> IMO, one can be good, really good, at just one editor.
>
> Oh, I don't know - I seem to be able to swap vi and emacs bindings in
> and out of my fingers fairly quickly.
I think the rule to be learned is that people always extrapolate from
their personal experiences, instead of asking other pe
On 22 Jul 2008, at 1:05 am, Robert G. Brown wrote:
I just never liked hopping into and out of text insertion mode, and
even
though nethack DOES use the vi cursor movement keys to move around
(this
was one of the original motivations for the game, IIRC) that doesn't
mean that I find them par
Joe Landman wrote:
andrew holway wrote:
you should all be ashamed. Especially after all that talk of paper
tapes and computers that made heavy clunking sounds etc. I have never
even used a 5 1/4 inch floppy in anger.
[must ... resist ... urge...]
5.25 inch floppy? Luxury!
[must ... stop ..
Bob Drzyzgula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This, I find, is a strong dividing line. By and large
> (not with exclusivity, but IME there is certainly a trend)
> systems programmers use vi and applications programmers
> use emacs.
I've seen more than my share of Unix hackers over the years, and I
Matt Lawrence wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Prentice Bisbal wrote:
Douglas Eadline wrote:
A blast from the past. I have a copy of the Yggdrasil "Linux Bible".
A phone book of Linux How-To's and other docs from around 1995.
Quite useful before Google became the help desk.
--
Doug
Translation:
Hi everyone,
I don't know what the language of the 21st century will be like,
> but it will be called FORTRAN.
>-C.A.R Hoare
I know this was made in a somewhat off-topic thread touching on politics,
but I couldn't resist adding my two cents and seeing what other people
There is going to be a match at Go between a human professional and a
computer (a 3000 node cluster in France).
KGS is a free Go server; you can download a java client and watch the game
in progress. KGS is www.goKGS.com, and you can get CGoban from
http://www.gokgs.com/download.xhtml. Drop me a n
My feeling is that some of us like to construct long sentences from a small
vocabulary, while others like short sentences from a huge vocabulary. Or
substitute expressions and alphabets. Long proofs of symbolic logic or short
proofs citing lemmas. Emacs is for one, vi the other. I prefer long chain
all the guys (with long VMS experience) use(d) EDT, but I installed VIM a
week or two into the job. DCL wasn't so bad but your fingers are happy with
their happy editor.
But then we installed perl so DCL was pretty useless too, except for legacy
stuff.
Peter
On 7/21/08, Geoff Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTEC
On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:23 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But... But... Fortran is the one language to rules them all!!!
Libertarian,
Republican, Democrat, Communist, Socialist, Jedi, whatever. Fortran
can
solve all of the world's problems and allow man kind to progress!!!
I don't know wha
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Bob Drzyzgula wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 01:47:02PM -0400, Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
This is the sad truth. I can survive without using emacs, and besides,
I can use it in an emergency. But nobody can manage systems without
know
Peter St. John wrote:
> (re line numbers) Ah, I should have said, that was in VMS. I did get VIM
> for VMS though but I was never a maestro. There are happier VMS
> installations with unix workalike interfaces, not there then though.
> Peter
What was your poison? EDT or TPU?
--
Geoffrey D. Jacob
"Robert G. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mark Hahn wrote:
>
> > I voted Libertarian in college, but grew out of it ;)
>
> There's libertarian, as believing in freedom and so on, there's rabid
> libertarian (betrayed by foaming at the mouth about the wickedness of
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, andrew holway wrote:
Speaking personally, I'd rather burn off my pre-cancerous old-age spots
with a wood-burning kit than use vi for more than two minutes at a time
("... only long enough..." see above) but to each their own, I suppose.
Now come on, I am but an ungainly fa
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 01:47:02PM -0400, Robert G. Brown wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
>
>
> This is the sad truth. I can survive without using emacs, and besides,
> I can use it in an emergency. But nobody can manage systems without
> knowing vi. You may use it only long
On Sunday 20 July 2008 06:20:27 pm Joe Landman wrote:
> Dell DRAC costs
> somewhat more ($250/node ?), IBM/Sun/HP all integrate it for you.
Actually, you don't need a DRAC to use IPMI on modern Dell hardware: all
the recent PowerEdge machines (>=8th generation) come with an
integrated BMC (Baseb
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mark Hahn wrote:
I voted Libertarian in college, but grew out of it ;)
There's libertarian, as believing in freedom and so on, there's rabid
libertarian (betrayed by foaming at the mouth about the wickedness of
having to pay taxes to keep up things like roads and police fo
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Geoff Jacobs wrote:
There isn't anything wrong with a good xterm. By the way, you are
I agree, Geoff, but my younger computer geek friends ("younger" in their
mid to late 30's, god help me:-) tend to mock me gently for using
xterms/jove to code, to write books, to read my
andrew holway wrote:
you should all be ashamed. Especially after all that talk of paper
tapes and computers that made heavy clunking sounds etc. I have never
even used a 5 1/4 inch floppy in anger.
[must ... resist ... urge...]
5.25 inch floppy? Luxury!
[must ... stop ... now]
--
Josep
> Speaking personally, I'd rather burn off my pre-cancerous old-age spots
> with a wood-burning kit than use vi for more than two minutes at a time
> ("... only long enough..." see above) but to each their own, I suppose.
Now come on, I am but an ungainly fawn in the unix wilderness and have
found
(re line numbers) Ah, I should have said, that was in VMS. I did get VIM for
VMS though but I was never a maestro. There are happier VMS installations
with unix workalike interfaces, not there then though.
Peter
On 7/21/08, Perry E. Metzger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> stephen mulcahy <[EMAIL
> A major premise for using either distro is their claim for long term
support
> (LTS).
>
> I'm curious to know how many folks on this list use either distro and what
has
> been your experience (and usefulness) of LTS?
In my UC Berkeley days
Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> This is one instance where I wish the Federal government (and/or the
>>> European Union) would get off its collective duff and set a standard
>> ...
>>> with this software when shipping a broken BIOS would result in fines.
>>
>> As a Libertarian, I will re
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:52:34AM -0700, Lyle Bickley wrote:
> A major premise for using either distro is their claim for long term support
> (LTS).
>
> I'm curious to know how many folks on this list use either distro and what
> has
> been your experience (and usefulness) of LTS?
Is their L
This is one instance where I wish the Federal government (and/or the
European Union) would get off its collective duff and set a standard
...
with this software when shipping a broken BIOS would result in fines.
As a Libertarian, I will respectfully disagree :)
your reasoning, I think, is th
Robert G. Brown wrote:
> Special project number 113 in my list of special projects I'll never get
> to is to actually make xjove work, using gtk widgets, so that it no
> longer needs an xterm to function correctly. And I'd really like to
> tweak its reformatting routines -- it sometimes gets ove
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:58:56AM -0700, David Mathog wrote:
>
> "Lombard, David N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:20:54PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I am wondering whether there is any mechanism to automatically
> > > power down n
"Robert G. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Lux wrote:
>
>> Line numbers are handy when you get that
>>
>> "syntax error in line 34 of file xyz.c"
>
> Well, in jove this is just Ctrl-X-N (next error), but in other languages
> or contexts, Ctrl-Shift-< (top of file) Esc
"Robert G. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Speaking of which, wouldn't it be a kick to design a programming
> language CALLED Rune, one that only can be used on GUI systems, that
> uses elvish runes for all the standard commands and parameters?
> Programming has become too easy;
Given how cr
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
I like line numbers to help me figure out if I have a really long line of
text. Most text editors do a poor job of handling this case, happily
wrapping it, without telling you, so your key navigation across the long
lines looks really funky.
Agreed, b
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Lux wrote:
Line numbers are handy when you get that
"syntax error in line 34 of file xyz.c"
Well, in jove this is just Ctrl-X-N (next error), but in other languages
or contexts, Ctrl-Shift-< (top of file) Esc 3 4 (repeat 34) Ctrl-N (down
one line) is pretty easy, and
It's been several months since RGB and others discussed Fermi Linux
(https://fermilinux.fnal.gov/), and there was some discussion on this list of
Scientific Linux (https://www.scientificlinux.org/) a few months ago.
I just revisited these distro's sites after reading the August issue of "Linux
"Lombard, David N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:20:54PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am wondering whether there is any mechanism to automatically
> > power down nodes (e.g., ACPI S3) when idle for some time, and
> > automatically wake up wh
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > Line numbers are handy when you get that
>> >
>> > "syntax error in line 34 of file xyz.c"
>> >
>> > too..
>>
>>Both emacs and vi will display line numbers if you ask them.
>>
>>Emacs has a really nice compile mode where it will compile in a second
>>window
At 09:50 AM 7/21/2008, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I like line numbers to help me figure out if I have a really long
>> line of text. Most text editors do a poor job of handling this
>> case, happily wrapping it, without telling you, so your key
>> navigation
stephen mulcahy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Peter St. John wrote:
>> Line numbers are super convenient for peer-review, so humans can
>> refer to lines. I've written C programs just to preprend every line
>> with a consequtive integer.
>> Peter
>
> cat -n is your friend.
and if it didn't exist,
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I like line numbers to help me figure out if I have a really long
>> line of text. Most text editors do a poor job of handling this
>> case, happily wrapping it, without telling you, so your key
>> navigation across the long lines looks really funky.
>
> Lin
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:20:54PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am wondering whether there is any mechanism to automatically
> power down nodes (e.g., ACPI S3) when idle for some time, and
> automatically wake up when requested (e.g., by WOL, some cluster
> scheduler, ssh). I
Peter St. John wrote:
Line numbers are super convenient for peer-review, so humans can refer
to lines. I've written C programs just to preprend every line with a
consequtive integer.
Peter
cat -n is your friend.
-stephen
--
Stephen Mulcahy, Applepie Solutions Ltd., Innovation in Business Ce
Line numbers are super convenient for peer-review, so humans can refer to
lines. I've written C programs just to preprend every line with a
consequtive integer.
Peter
On 7/21/08, Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 07:11 AM 7/21/2008, Joe Landman wrote:
>
>> Robert G. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> On
At 07:11 AM 7/21/2008, Joe Landman wrote:
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
Rumor has it that C-c C-o C-f C-f C-e C-e instructs emacs to make
you a cup of coffee. :^
I personally want an editor without all these fancy things: just
syntax highlighting for C/C++/
Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't see this as a significant advantage - if I want unattended
> jobs to do ssh authentication, I do it with a dedicated, unencrypted
> key (which on the target machine can _only_ perform the desired function
> using the command= syntax, preferably also
Lloyd Brown wrote:
>
> - Add the path (/usr/local/lib) either to /etc/ld.so.conf file, or to a
> file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/, then run "ldconfig" to update the path
> cache, etc. This is the recommended system-wide way of doing things.
>
>
What happens when you have two different library paths
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 15:35 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:56:53PM -0700, Massimiliano Fatica wrote:
> >
> >You can use NAMD.
> >
> >[1]http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/cuda/
>
> Interesting. Any suggestions for a cheap consumer CUDA-suitable
> nVidia card whi
Greg Lindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:31:27PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>
>> So probably you don't want to turn off the nodes automatically, you
>> want to turn them *off*. If your cluster is half idle, why bother
>> turning it on at all?
>
> Some people have c
Joe,
If you go with vim (as I do), your faction with BellLabs/Unix/Berkely/C
Alliance for Salvation will go up, but with Stanford/MIT/LISP Empire of Evil
will go down. Be careful near their gates because the guards will aggro from
a mile away.
Peter
(Embrace the Editor of the Beast, vi vi vi)
On 7
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
Rumor has it that C-c C-o C-f C-f C-e C-e instructs emacs to make you
a cup of coffee. :^
I personally want an editor without all these fancy things: just
syntax highlighting for C/C++/Perl/Bash/Tcsh/Fortran/config files,
that
Hey! I still code fortran. I don't require line numbers, save after
those long weekends when I have trouble remembering where my office is...
It's Basic that liked line numbers, RGB.
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
Rumor has it that C-c C-o C-f C-f C-e C-e ins
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:56:53PM -0700, Massimiliano Fatica wrote:
>
>You can use NAMD.
>
>[1]http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/cuda/
Interesting. Any suggestions for a cheap consumer CUDA-suitable
nVidia card which would fit in a 1U slot (2x PCIe x8 available), and
don't tax the pow
Here is a link for the keychain script I mentioned earlier:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc2/
I've used ssh and ssh-agent for a long time, and don't really see much
value to thsi keychain thing. the main premise seems to be that you
want to leave your ssh-agent running even a
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
Rumor has it that C-c C-o C-f C-f C-e C-e instructs emacs to make you a cup
of coffee. :^
I personally want an editor without all these fancy things: just syntax
highlighting for C/C++/Perl/Bash/Tcsh/Fortran/config files, that has line
numbers, and in
stephen mulcahy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We can reset the WOL flags and re-enable it on individual nodes, but
> unfortunately when the nodes are power-cycled, the WOL flag goes back
> to its default (off) state. Given the typical use case of WOL, it
> seems unfortunate that a power cycle rese
stephen mulcahy wrote:
Joe Landman wrote:
Eeekk... return of the language wars. They all have the same morphology
Person1: "My language is better than yours"
Person2: "Oh yeah? At least I use a real OS, CP/M!"
and its downhill in a cascade of responses from there ...
You probably ed
>>> Mark Kosmowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a small cluster too (ok, had, I'm condensing to one big RAM
>>> workstation at the moment). Mine was a 3 node dual Opteron setup.
>>>
>>> The first trick is to get each node to be able to ssh to every other
>>> node without getting a password prompt. It do
Joe Landman wrote:
Eeekk... return of the language wars. They all have the same morphology
Person1: "My language is better than yours"
Person2: "Oh yeah? At least I use a real OS, CP/M!"
and its downhill in a cascade of responses from there ...
You probably edit your language with a te
Perry E. Metzger wrote:
Here is how you can turn them on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_on_lan
There is even open source software described on that page.
Wake-on-Lan works very well - when it works. We were using it quite
successfully on a small cluster we built for remote power on (aft
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