Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Jim Lux
Quoting Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Tue 27 May 2008 05:52:56 PM PDT: Jim Lux wrote: The value of a supercomputer under the desk is primarily to the end user (faster whatever to free up an expensive engineer's time). They don't see much difference between buying the software for

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Joe Landman
Jim Lux wrote: The value of a supercomputer under the desk is primarily to the end user (faster whatever to free up an expensive engineer's time). They don't see much difference between buying the software for a single processor or multiprocessor. The ISV won't get many incremental sales from

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Jim Lux
Quoting "Lombard, David N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Tue 27 May 2008 05:02:30 PM PDT: I wasn't implying that ISVs were the cause of their demise. I was implying that they couldn't build a convincing case for them to get on board. To put a finer point on this, ISVs ask: How do I get increme

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Lombard, David N
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:52:31PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote: > Greg Lindahl wrote: > >On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:12:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote: > > > >Orion had poor price/performance. ISVs were a symptom, not a cause. > > I agree they had poor price performance. ISVs always (have to) ask the

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Lawrence Stewart
I guess I am the token SiCortex person who posts here sometimes. There are probably other lurkers as well. Hopefully this is generic enough to not trigger a commercial allergic response from the moderator... The philosophical idea was something like noticing that HPC codes tend to miss i

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think you're looking through the lens of your customer base. A large > > Quite possibly. > >> number of clusters never run commercial codes, and some commercial > > True. They tend to be low margin commodity clusters that are very > hard to support "va

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Joe Landman
Greg Lindahl wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:12:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote: For them to be successful, they need customers to buy machines, which usually means getting commercial codes onto them. I think you're looking through the lens of your customer base. A large Quite possibly. n

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:12:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote: > For them to be successful, they need customers to buy machines, which > usually means getting commercial codes onto them. I think you're looking through the lens of your customer base. A large number of clusters never run commercial

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Joe Landman
Gerry Creager wrote: SiCortex is not too far from the Beowulf concept but is possibly closer to a packaged single DM entity. I'd thought of it as a low-power, low heat (DM) HPC system without ever considering the beowulfness of it. It uses Linux and MPI, so it meets my needs in that regard.

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Gerry Creager
Steve Cousins wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008, Mark Hahn wrote: Does anyone have any experience with SiCortex machines? Any thoughts? They look cool and they don't use much power but I wonder how they compare to blade type systems. eh? blade systems are just tweaks for packaging and cable-ma

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Gerry Creager
Mark Hahn wrote: Does anyone have any experience with SiCortex machines? Any thoughts? They look cool and they don't use much power but I wonder how they compare to blade type systems. eh? blade systems are just tweaks for packaging and cable-management. I don't believe they have much if any

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Steve Cousins
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Mark Hahn wrote: Does anyone have any experience with SiCortex machines? Any thoughts? They look cool and they don't use much power but I wonder how they compare to blade type systems. eh? blade systems are just tweaks for packaging and cable-management. I don't believ

Re: [Beowulf] Re: ECC support on motherboards?

2008-05-27 Thread Peter St. John
The ISO for the ubuntu (server, AMD64) install was 550MB (the other day). So 1GB seems like alot to me. Of course, as I've mentioned in the past, I first booted System V with 512K (on a 286). No room for applications, "vi temp" hung (decades later, it occurs to me it may have thrashed to virtual m

Re: [Beowulf] SiCortex experience anyone?

2008-05-27 Thread Mark Hahn
Does anyone have any experience with SiCortex machines? Any thoughts? They look cool and they don't use much power but I wonder how they compare to blade type systems. eh? blade systems are just tweaks for packaging and cable-management. I don't believe they have much if any advantage over wel