Re: [Beowulf] Re: the comparison between OpenMP and MPI

2007-05-22 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 06:12:11PM +0100, Tim Cutts wrote: > When I looked at the code, I wasn't > surprised. At first glance, my initial reaction was the same as the > compiler's; "Oh, that's dead code, we can eliminate that". Wrong! > It was possible for the code to have an effect, but

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Peter St. John
A hypercube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube) also gets you exponential space; the max hops is the dimension (3 for a 3-dimensional cube) and the number of nodes is exp(base 2) of the dimension (8 vertices on a cube). To do a tesseract (4-cube), which looks like two cubes nested, you'd need

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Larry Stewart
Robert G. Brown wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007, Larry Stewart wrote: What would the advantages of a diamond lattice be? In terms of bisection and diameter? Ease of wiring? Four ports per system, probably, in a 3d lattice. 3d is good because the volume (number of hosts) scales like the maximu

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Larry Stewart wrote: What would the advantages of a diamond lattice be? In terms of bisection and diameter? Ease of wiring? Four ports per system, probably, in a 3d lattice. 3d is good because the volume (number of hosts) scales like the maximum number of hops between h

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 09:02:38AM -0400, Larry Stewart wrote: >I haven't heard of anyone using a diamond lattice to wire a cluster. >We're >using a Kautz graph, which already makes my brain hurt. >What would the advantages of a diamond lattice be? In terms of 4 is the smallest n

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Larry Stewart
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 12:38:13AM -0400, Mark Hahn wrote: unless you're suggesting that games use collectives akin to MPI broadcast/reduce/etc? I could see how a low-latency interconnect would help with a Second Life-like virtual reality, where most things happen

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Patrick Geoffray
Hi Jess, Jess Cannata wrote: By too expensive, I mean much more expensive than Gig-E which is "free" on the NIC side and quite cheap on the switch side. Everything is very expensive when compared to GigE :-) What I should have said is that the NetEffect card is competitive as the number of n

[Beowulf] fwd : Casablanca Summer school on computational physics :first announcement

2007-05-22 Thread Florent Calvayrac
Dear Professors, Dear colleagues and friends, I have pleasure to inform you that the first announcement of the first PNMP2007 school that will be organised by departement of physics in University Hassan II Ain Chock Casablanca on july 2007 in Casablanca Morocco is now launched through both the

Re: [Beowulf] Network considerations for new generation cheap beowulfcluster

2007-05-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 12:38:13AM -0400, Mark Hahn wrote: > unless you're suggesting that games use collectives akin to MPI > broadcast/reduce/etc? I could see how a low-latency interconnect would help with a Second Life-like virtual reality, where most things happen server-side. On the other h