[arch-general] ML is being sent to Spam by Gmail

2016-06-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
Recently a (disproportionately) large number of emails from the various Arch Linux mailing lists are getting rerouted to my Spam folder in Gmail. It seems to have started roughly around the time of this change: [arch-devops] Finally fixed DKIM (I hope)[1] dkim header remarks indicate either failed

Re: [arch-general] ML is being sent to Spam by Gmail

2016-06-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 06/08/2016 04:55 AM, Florian Pritz via arch-general wrote: > On 08.06.2016 06:26, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >> dkim header remarks indicate either failed or missing dkim sigs for >> those messages. > > That's weird. For me the signatures very just fine. Cou

Re: [arch-general] DKMS question around removal of kernel modules

2016-06-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 06/08/2016 02:03 PM, Genes Lists via arch-general wrote: > When I install a new kernel, I notice that DKMS removes previous kernel > modules as well as adding them to the new kernel. > > In the real old days these were not removed at all - so removal is a > good thing. > The issue is that the o

Re: [arch-general] ML is being sent to Spam by Gmail

2016-06-15 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 06/08/2016 03:45 PM, Florian Pritz via arch-general wrote: > Now that is something I totally missed when I read their guidelines, but > it certainly sounds like it could be the cause of these problems. I have > just switched the server to deliver mails to gmail.com (only that > domain, no others

Re: [arch-general] Problems after recent pacman update

2016-06-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 06/17/2016 03:37 PM, Florian Pritz via arch-general wrote: > Run pacman -Qkk and reinstall all broken packages or just reinstall > everything. Also run `sync` after upgrading. Sounds like either your > system crashed shortly after the upgrade or you shut down and the shut > down didn't properly

Re: [arch-general] ML is being sent to Spam by Gmail

2016-07-04 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 07/04/2016 01:40 PM, Florian Pritz via arch-general wrote: > Since we didn't have too much traffic on the list in that week, what's > the situation like now? Have you seen any more list traffic go to spam > or is this fixed now? Still good. :) I have yet to see a single email go to spam since y

Re: [arch-general] about mrelendig's, scimmia's, and dreisner's behavior

2016-08-10 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 08/10/2016 11:39 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > I bet your momma told you not to swear and to start each sentence with a > capital letter. So make her happy and start writing like a grown up... Well, perhaps Fnodeuser The Mysterious's mother also said not to use disposable email addresses if one ex

Re: [arch-general] about mrelendig's, scimmia's, and dreisner's behavior

2016-08-11 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 08/11/2016 02:06 AM, fnodeuser wrote: > jason, spare us the bullshit. go back to the forum to ban some more > people. you are not here to make anything better. You aren't here to make anything good, so what can he possibly do to make it better? Nothing... except for laughing at you via some h

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on PowerShell?

2016-08-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 08/18/2016 08:35 PM, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: > I haven't used PowerShell much. But in briefly looking at it, the > commands are very verbose compared to Unix/Linux. E.g. grep is > something like Get-Item. > > My Windows survival kit currently consists of Cygwin, which still kicks

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on PowerShell?

2016-08-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 08/18/2016 09:09 PM, Ido Rosen wrote: > Personal opinions aside, we should treat it like any other package: > if it gets enough votes and is popular, it can move from AUR to > community just like any other free open source software. Um, yeah. That's why I said "But I don't see it being very pop

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on PowerShell?

2016-08-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 08/18/2016 09:28 PM, Hunter Connelly via arch-general wrote: > While I tend to prefer Unix-style shells, there are *some* things that > PowerShell does better. > > Here's an example I found on Reddit in the thread about this on /r/linux. > Both of the following commands find the size and name o

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on PowerShell?

2016-08-19 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 08/19/2016 02:06 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 07:31:03PM +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: >> On 08/19/2016 03:28 AM, Hunter Connelly via arch-general wrote: >>> Bash:ls -l | sed 's/ \+/,/g' | cut -d',' -f 5,9 | sort -g | tail -3 >> >> -->ls -sS | head -4 |

Re: [arch-general] bitcoin-qt out-of-date

2016-09-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/01/2016 12:41 PM, Diego Viola via arch-general wrote: > Sorry, I didn't meant to be rude or be offensive towards the AUR, the > AUR is great, but when using things like bitcoin, how can you be safe > that using bitcoin-qt from the AUR is fine? > > What Emily suggested, actually building it m

Re: [arch-general] bitcoin-qt out-of-date

2016-09-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/01/2016 12:54 PM, Diego Viola wrote: > I actually know that, yes. My point is that there can be bad PKGBUILDs > out there that could fetch the bitcoin-qt binary from somewhere else, > which means I'll need to review the PKGBUILD beforehand or write my > own. > > I admit to not use the AUR a

Re: [arch-general] bitcoin-qt out-of-date

2016-09-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/01/2016 02:20 PM, Diego Viola wrote: > Well, I understand maintainers are busy, but it is your job as a > maintainer to communicate effectively, if I put some package up for > others to use it, it is MY responsibility to tell users I won't be > able to update or respond quickly. > > You can'

Re: [arch-general] bitcoin-qt out-of-date

2016-09-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/01/2016 06:00 PM, Diego Viola wrote: > No, I'm not saying that, please let's not make this personal, it's not. > > I'm also OK compiling my own bitcoin-qt or whatever, I'm just > concerned there are many outdated packages as of late, and what makes > Arch so special to many people is the rol

Re: [arch-general] Package versioning

2016-09-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/01/2016 06:04 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: >> which isn't correct since >> >>0.7 < 0.7.0.1 >>0.4 < 0.4.1 >> >> It seems `pacman` treats underbar like a period, which isn't at all what >> I was hoping for. > > Sounds like .x would make more sense. And similarly, *-git packages usually use

Re: [arch-general] Package versioning

2016-09-02 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/02/2016 05:03 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: > Yes, it looks like it would work better. Is there some description of > what the presence of a letter actually means? IIUC, it separates two individual components of the versioning, everything before it is considered on its own and the component wit

Re: [arch-general] bitcoin-qt out-of-date

2016-09-05 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/05/2016 01:08 PM, Diego Viola wrote: > Seems like 0.13 has finally entered in community-testing. > > https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community-testing/x86_64/bitcoin-qt/ Wow, a whole 14 days. ;) And, of course, that disregards the fact that it was in staging for 10 days along with the e

Re: [arch-general] Arch svntogit/package.git what is Diffstat bargraph displaying? Lines?

2016-09-11 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/11/2016 05:24 PM, Jayesh Badwaik wrote: > On 09/11/2016 05:19 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: >> What is 'this information' on the graph showing? Lines added/deleted? >> Votes for change? > > Total number of line changes. Red is deleted, green is added. ... which is the standard cgit UI, nothin

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016-09-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/22/2016 03:40 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Simon, > > Thank you for your taking the time for your thoughtful, informative > explanation. > > And thank you for your support service in #archlinux on IRC! > > > So - supporting other distributions, or even other installation m

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016-09-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/22/2016 03:10 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Simon. > > Thank you for the link you provided. > > "You say 'tomayto', I say 'tomahto' . . ." > "You say Arch (or Arch Linux, or archlinux), I say GNU/Linux . . .) > > Either way, what does it matter? > > I live in a culture t

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016-09-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/22/2016 08:00 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > I have never said that you have to call it anything. You are free to call > it whatever you want to. > > And so am I. But not on the Arch Linux mailing list -- we don't support other distros here, and whatever "Arch

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016-09-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/22/2016 08:06 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Maurio, > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also > true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016-09-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/22/2016 08:09 PM, aur basica via arch-general wrote: > * Talks about distros that aren't Arch on a Arch mailing list > * Starts calling it Arch GNU/Linux (from here on out I will personally call > it Ubuntu /sarcasm) What is wrong with "tomato"? > * Compares the CoC to slavery (unfortunatel

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016-09-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 09/22/2016 08:19 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation > queue (which no-one checks). I took this to mean that this thread got "locked" so to speak, and any replies to this thread would require manual approval (which isn't going to happe

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-10-02 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/02/2016 10:51 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > I've been here since '09, and I've never seen a complaint such as you > describe. The reality is the Beginner's Guide was a very thorough and helpful > collection of information for new users that was made more necessary by the > removal of the arch

Re: [arch-general] Implement sql/sqlite database for pacman local database

2016-10-21 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/21/2016 01:20 PM, Alive 4ever wrote: > I was curious why does 'pacman -Q' operations took longer than 'apt' > counterparts. It seems that the local pacman databases are just > subdirectories with text files (desc, files) and gzipped text (mtree). > No wonder why local pacman databases tend t

Re: [arch-general] Implement sql/sqlite database for pacman local database

2016-10-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/22/2016 02:28 AM, Alive 4ever wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 11:06:04PM -0500, Doug Newgard wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 03:53:20 + >> Alive 4ever wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 08:03:53PM +0200, Tinu Weber wrote: >>> Currently, pacman package includes a ``pacman-optimize`` scr

Re: [arch-general] Implement sql/sqlite database for pacman local database

2016-10-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/23/2016 01:41 AM, Alive 4ever wrote: >> Also consider the fact that your pacman database is one of the least >> likely pieces of data to target for the sake of noticeably improving >> your computer's overall performance. >> > > Yeah, I am aware of it. Hardware components tend to degrade over

Re: [arch-general] ensuring integrity of sources (was: [arch-dev-public] todo list for moving http -> https sources)

2016-10-31 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/31/2016 05:50 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > As a side question... is there a significant difference in signing PKGBUILD vs > the compiled package. Do you realize, when you ask if there is a difference between signing a PKGBUILD vs. a built package, it sounds an awful lot like asking if there is

Re: [arch-general] ensuring integrity of sources (was: [arch-dev-public] todo list for moving http -> https sources)

2016-10-31 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/31/2016 07:35 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Regarding checksums, how did a dev know that upstream sources are authentic? Personally, I check the upstream sources of stuff I publish to the AUR. I maintain an additional *-git package for anything that makes sense that way, so it is easy to diff/lo

Re: [arch-general] readline 7.0 rebuild for self-maintained packages

2016-11-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/07/2016 06:59 PM, Bastian Beischer wrote: > Dear all, > > I will need to rebuild some of my packages which I maintain myself for > readline 7.0. > > Is there a reliable way to find out which packages need a rebuild? How was > the rebuild list for the official repos made? > > Thanks > Basti

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Favorite/best desktop in archlinux

2016-11-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/07/2016 07:39 PM, Christian Klaue wrote: > Back to the 3 major players: > . KDE looks close to Windows and fancy. QT is closed sw. In my personal > opinion KDE offers too many configurations (early plasma) and is been > laggy (KDE 4). Um, what??? Qt is dual-licensed under the GPL3 (with a

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Favorite/best desktop in archlinux

2016-11-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/08/2016 08:03 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: > Um, the Qt licensing is rather more complicated than that nowadays: > https://www.qt.io/licensing-comparison/ > > I think it went something like (vastly simplified and not weighed down > by any sort of actual knowledge) > > 1. Trolltech used GPL o

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Favorite/best desktop in archlinux

2016-11-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/08/2016 08:04 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Eli, > > it's not worth to contribute anything to such a naive request, > with that much questionable replies. Well, really, I just felt the need to rebut some silly points made by one of those questionable replies. Although maybe I shouldn't have tri

Re: [arch-general] howto remove old package version

2016-11-12 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/12/2016 02:59 PM, Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote: >> pacman -Syu >> :: Starting full system upgrade... >> >> warning: mesa: local (13.0.0rc2-2) is newer than extra (12.0.3-3.1) >> warning: mesa-libgl: local (13.0.0rc2-2) is newer than extra (12.0.3-3.1) >> >> how do i remove old ve

Re: [arch-general] howto remove old package version

2016-11-12 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/12/2016 07:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:43:14 -0500, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >> On 11/12/2016 02:59 PM, Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote: >>>> pacman -Syu >>>> :: Starting full system upgrade... >>>&g

Re: [arch-general] espeak ng and keeping packages in the aur up todate.

2016-11-16 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/16/2016 07:50 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: > On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:24:58 -0500 (EST) > Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> Did you ever download a package from aur before? If not you can get and >> set up yaourt on archlinux but some edits have to be done to >> /etc/pacman.conf and then you need to ru

Re: [arch-general] espeak ng and keeping packages in the aur up todate.

2016-11-16 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/17/2016 12:41 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > That message I sent was not intended for arch-general at all, sorry > about the basic stuff coming up on this list. We aren't upset about you posting it to [arch-general] per se. We are upset that you yourself think it a good idea, and furthermore, t

Re: [arch-general] espeak ng and keeping packages in the aur uptodate.

2016-11-17 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/17/2016 10:18 AM, Matthew dyer via arch-general wrote: > Hi, > > I ran the talking arch script which Kial has been working and when > doing so, I got the aur helper running. The simple thing is this. I > want to switch to espeak NG and yes I am aware of espeakup git. I > know that I can i

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/18/2016 12:46 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: > On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:34:08 +0900 > Ken OKABE via arch-general wrote: > >> What kind of scenario in the real world to be problematic to maintain >> KDE Plasma LTS line as separated packages from non-LTS? > > A whole lot more work for litte/no gain.

Re: [arch-general] snapcraft.io IMO gets across the message that snaps are appropriate for Arch Linux

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/24/2016 08:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > An excerpt from > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2016-October/287739.html > > o...@ubuntu.com is deeply involved in working on snappy. > ^^ > ^^ > > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2016 14:40:32 +0200 > Subject: Re: Que

Re: [arch-general] snapcraft.io IMO gets across the message that snaps are appropriate for Arch Linux

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/24/2016 09:50 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I didn't use their mailing list, to spread hate about snaps. It's > also my mailing list, since I'm a subscriber of this and several Ubuntu > falvour mailing lists to help Linux novices and btw. my help usually is > much appreciated on those mailing lis

Re: [arch-general] snapcraft.io IMO gets across the message that snaps are appropriate for Arch Linux

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/24/2016 10:33 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:13:30 -0500, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >> You are using Ubuntu resources to spread an anti-snapcraft message >> along the lines of Arch-style philosophy. > > That is off-top for this list and a

Re: [arch-general] snapcraft.io IMO gets across the message that snaps are appropriate for Arch Linux

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/24/2016 03:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:10:49 -0500, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >>> For your very information, Ubuntu for servers and desktop computers >>> is based upon apt, not snaps. >> >> And that is apparently c

Re: [arch-general] snapcraft.io IMO gets across the message that snaps are appropriate for Arch Linux

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/24/2016 04:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:46:52 -0500, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >> I said that according to Ubuntu devs, Snaps are apparently the way of >> the future > > Do you have any evidence for this claim, apart of the claim of so

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/27/2016 07:58 AM, Hauke Fath wrote: > Hi, > > what are Arch's conventions for the numeric ranges of system (package) > user and grop IDs? And can the range be limited? > > I am working up to switching a few dozen Debian clients to Arch. They > have user homes on NFS, and authenticate thro

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/27/2016 12:27 PM, Hauke Fath wrote: >> And, just to mention it for completness, there is >> /etc/login.defs where you can theoretically adjust those numbers. > > This > > > # Min/max values for automatic uid selection in useradd > # > UID_MIN 1000 > UID_MAX

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/27/2016 08:52 AM, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: > Yes, arch system users are numbered automatically, but the groups and > users you listed are a bit of special snowflakes for systemd. I'm not > sure whether remapping them would be possible. AFAIK those systemd users/groups are generat

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/27/2016 04:04 PM, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 11/27/2016 08:52 AM, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: >> Yes, arch system users are numbered automatically, but the groups >> and users you listed are a bit of special snowflakes for systemd. >> I'm not sure whether remapping them would be possib

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/27/2016 09:16 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > There is no such think as "arch expects". It is a default setting in > /etc/login.defs that is being used by systemd because it is likely that a devs > don't change login.defs before building systemd... Well, packages can have files that need to have a

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/27/2016 10:03 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: >> Well, packages can have files that need to have a specific system >> user ownership. That is why the UID/GID database exists, right? >> Because the UID baked into the *.pkg.tar.xz has to match >> /etc/passwd, and systemd-sysusers can't inherently do an

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-05 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/05/2016 02:56 PM, sivmu wrote: > Am 04.12.2016 um 05:37 schrieb Maxwell Anselm via arch-general: >>> You mean the source files that you downloaded and then hashed... >> >> Yes. If the source files are being modified via a MITM attack (which is >> trivial if the host uses HTTP) the checksum is

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-05 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/05/2016 05:25 PM, sivmu wrote: > A LOT of packages do not use pgp validation even though upstream > provides signatures. That is the real issue here. > > Let me say this again: everyone who is responsible for arch packages > needs to be clearly advised to use all available methods to effecti

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
Okay, first things first -- what happened to replying in-thread with a message-id linking together replies? Oh right, you are once again using disposable, temporary Mailinator email addresses (via their alternate domains). Admin note: Please, someone add everything here to the invalid email domai

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-15 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/15/2016 08:35 PM, fnodeuser wrote: > hello eli, > > you have misread and misunderstood a few things. No I haven't. But you've broken the response headers again in your reply. Using temporary email addresses on the mailing list is incredibly annoying; if you are that concerned about your pri

Re: [arch-general] Why was wpa_supplicant.conf renamed wpa_supplicant.conf.pacsav??

2016-12-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/18/2016 04:16 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Update messages are hard to see if they scroll past quickly, or when updating > via scripts. On the other hand, pacman.log contains "warning:" lines that show > which files were renamed. And why do you believe that logs are only useful > post-mortem? N

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Settings problem: Why is Thunderbird so silly?

2016-12-22 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/22/2016 06:11 AM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: > I want to select an application for opening an attachment with an > alternative editor (a PDF file with LibreOffice Draw in this case). > > When I want to select the application, I get the list of last opened > files (i.e. text files, which obviou

Re: [arch-general] Getting freeze on early start with linux 4.9-1 kernel.

2016-12-25 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/24/2016 10:33 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general wrote: > What other distros do is recommend a 1GB /boot or changing the > configuration to reduce the number of older kernels installed[1]. People > have complained about small libraries needing to be installed as being > wasteful, at a grand to

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/26/2016 07:35 AM, NicoHood wrote: >>> Yesterday I wanted to install ArchLinux on someone else computer. He >>> used Windows until now and had no gpg handy yet (it is really annoying >>> to install on windows). What is wrong with, say, Gpg4win? Okay, it is difficult to *trust* the software w

Re: [arch-general] Christmas gift?

2016-12-28 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/28/2016 05:25 PM, piequiex wrote: > http://sprunge.us/PIRG I don't know what this is supposed to be, but I really doubt it is a "Christmas gift" which would imply you were trying to do *us* a favor here by sending an anonymous link with no explanation, which turns out to be a uuencoded *.7z

Re: [arch-general] change in hooks recently?

2016-12-30 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/30/2016 04:14 PM, Javier Vasquez via arch-general wrote: > I have this pacman hook: [...] > It used to trigger only when upgrading the "systemd" package, for a > post transaction. However now it's triggering on every system > upgrade, which is not what I was expecting... That is because the

Re: [arch-general] change in hooks recently?

2016-12-31 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/30/2016 04:45 PM, Javier Vasquez via arch-general wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general >> wrote: >> That is because the kernel now comes with its own, better hook. > > I see, you mean this one I'd guess: > >

Re: [arch-general] change in hooks recently?

2016-12-31 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/31/2016 07:32 PM, Javier Vasquez via arch-general wrote: > Jaja, I didn't inspect the files owned by systemd. My bad, :-) Or, if you just care which packages have files there but not what files those are: pacman -Qo /usr/lib/initcpio > I see... So systemd is also covered, and there's no

Re: [arch-general] group install

2017-01-05 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/05/2017 11:07 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > This isn't the point. Subscribers could ban senders by their servers > or MUAs, without even let the sender know that they did. No you can't. You could filter/block them, though. Claiming to "ban" someone is unambiguously false representation as an act

Re: [arch-general] New kernel repo

2017-01-06 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/06/2017 02:12 PM, Mthw Mthw via arch-general wrote: > After using Archlinux for a while I started to miss the ability to > use latest kernels easily as it is on Mint or Ubuntu. I think the > ubuntu kernel ppa is a good way to distribute kernel packages to > users who dont want to build kernel

Re: [arch-general] About linux 4.8 and 4.9...

2017-01-09 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/09/2017 02:07 PM, Bruno Pagani via arch-general wrote: >> Does this mean we will see 4.8.16 being built and pushed out to users? > > This could indeed be done (it’s even 4.8.17 as of today) if 4.9.2 still > doesn’t fix those issues (it has been discussed before that Arch should > continue to

Re: [arch-general] About linux 4.8 and 4.9...

2017-01-10 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/10/2017 08:53 AM, Carsten Mattner via arch-general wrote: > My criticism of the stable patch queue is that they mix fixes > with actual feature patches, making it more risky and not > upholding a important fixes only policy. That would depend on whether you understand "stable" to be "LTS" or

Re: [arch-general] Weird reaction to pull request over at Arch Linux ARM

2017-01-27 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/27/2017 01:27 PM, Christopher Reimer wrote: > I also noticed a few other pull request trying exactly that, which > were instantly closed by Kevin Mihelich without any reasonable > explanation. That's why I expected some resistance and prepared > myself to counterargument a few of his concerns

Re: [arch-general] GUFW start problem

2017-01-28 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/27/2017 10:58 PM, Alonzo Gomez via arch-general wrote: > Hello. > > Using Arch X86-64 up to date. Gnome 3, with GDM. UFW works fine. > > Logging in (GDM) gives 3 choices: > - Gnome > - Gnome classic > - Gnome with xorg > > If I log in as using the option "Gnome with xorg" at GDM, GUFW wo

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Mirror load distribution

2017-01-30 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 01/30/2017 02:39 PM, Florian Pritz via arch-dev-public wrote: > I've just received a report from a mirror admin about some very heavy > traffic. After some investigation it appears that the traffic towards > his mirror started to rise around the beginning of the new year when we > disabled the m

Re: [arch-general] ofono install

2017-02-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 02/02/2017 12:08 AM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: > I'm using pacaur, as it seems to be the easiest way to install AUR packages. And pacaur notices that the maintainer did something wrong, panics, and aborts on you. pacaur actually uses the metadata from the .SRCINFO to track what exists where, and p

Re: [arch-general] user namespaces

2017-02-02 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 02/02/2017 10:29 AM, sivmu wrote: > Am 02.02.2017 um 11:28 schrieb Daniel Micay via arch-general: >> On Thu, 2017-02-02 at 02:40 +0100, sivmu wrote: >>> Am 01.02.2017 um 21:21 schrieb Daniel Micay via arch-general: >> it's a nearly useless feature. > > That's a baseless claim, that

Re: [arch-general] Ardour 5.6 released - status on update

2017-02-11 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 02/11/2017 07:33 PM, Donovan Cameron via arch-general wrote: > Hey Britt, > > We've kind of all experienced delayed package updates and I recommend > the following, it will let it take it's natural course! > > 1.) Flag it out of date, probably is already The maintainer is certainly aware, th

Re: [arch-general] Ardour 5.6 released - status on update

2017-03-03 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/03/2017 08:02 AM, David Runge wrote: > On 2017-03-01 15:16:32 (+0100), David Runge wrote: >> Can we update to 5.8 [1] then? >> We're still at 4.7 in the repos. >> [1] http://community.ardour.org/node/14325 > Oh well in case anyone's interested: There's a PKGBUILD and > ardour.desktop file

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)

2017-03-06 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/06/2017 10:08 PM, YANG Ling via arch-general wrote: > Hi all, > Shall we focus on Lukas's questions? Yes, let's. [skipped - pointlessly quoted and then repeated questions] > My opinions: > > 1. The first question: Are we fine with sharing the user names? >I am fine. But I think some

Re: [arch-general] Arch Nim package

2017-03-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/07/2017 12:01 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos via arch-general wrote: > On 07/03/17, Peter Munch-Ellingsen wrote: >> Hi, >> the Nim package: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/nim/ >> was marked out of date on 2016-10-24 but it's still not edited to reflect >> the new version of 0.1

Re: [arch-general] Firefox 52 Audio broken

2017-03-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/07/2017 05:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 22:18:19 +0100, LoneVVolf wrote: >> On 07-03-17 21:14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 16:00:18 +0100, Carlchristian Eckert wrote: As a workaround, have you tried using apulse? It is a pulseaudio emulation for A

Re: [arch-general] How to "decorate" a package build?

2017-03-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/08/2017 06:04 AM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: > I've found out I could probably use PreTransaction-Hooks, but I cannot > see, when exactly the hook is executed: before download, after download, > or after unpacking. This makes no sense, hooks are part of a transaction and by definition cannot o

Re: [arch-general] How to "decorate" a package build?

2017-03-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/08/2017 03:34 PM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: > Yes, I already wondered about this when looking at the PKGBUIL source > file, because it seemed a decision has been made against it, but the > subject is "How to "decorate" a package build?" - firefox has only been > a package which has been discu

Re: [arch-general] Firefox user data autofill doesn't work as before

2017-03-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/08/2017 04:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:40:37 +0100, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: >> before latest update, firefox filled my login credentials >> automatically into the appropriate fields. Now I've first to select >> the user in a dropdown list - how can I revert this behaviou

Re: [arch-general] Firefox user data autofill doesn't work as before

2017-03-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/08/2017 10:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Ok I understand, https://aur.archlinux.org/login/ is an insecure web > site, since the issue mentioned by the OP happens with this login. > However, for my taste it's not a problem to select the user name, > but this history problem is an issue for me

Re: [arch-general] Which browser to use? [was: Firefox user data autofill doesn't work as before]

2017-03-09 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/09/2017 02:23 AM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: > So, I wonder why Firefox is in a "preferred" registry (extra), while > Opera is in "community" and Vivaldi is in "aur". > > As far as I can see, Vivaldi is an Opera clone. I cannot see, how to > replace Google as a search engine in Opera - what ab

Re: [arch-general] [RFC] Make Archlinux websites mobile friendly

2017-03-17 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/17/2017 11:57 AM, Alif M. A. wrote: > I think it would be nice to have Arch websites mobile friendly, so that > it can be viewed comfortably on any devices with different screen size. > > For starting point, let's make the wiki, which is the main source of > information, mobile friendly. >

Re: [arch-general] RFC: Cross compilers using newlib

2017-03-20 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/20/2017 02:51 PM, Christer Solskogen via arch-general wrote: > Hi! > > Instead of having a separate binutils, gcc and newlib package for every > architecture it is possible to combine them into one. You can even build > them all in one swoop if you want. For instance, in something like thi

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Deprecate ABS?

2017-03-26 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/25/2017 07:24 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote: > Hi all, > > Allan complained yesterday that ABS is apparently broken. Turns out that > most likely it is broken at least since 2016-07-07. > > The script received no changes since 2012-09-07 and the main advantage > it brings is an easy way t

Re: [arch-general] Suppressing specific pacman warnings

2017-04-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/01/2017 11:14 AM, João Miguel via arch-general wrote: > First of all, why is this a warning? What is the problem of me having a > newer version of a package than the repository? --quiet does not help. I > could do Why would a mismatch between what is expected and what is actually there, *not

Re: [arch-general] Removing gitolite package doesn't remove gitolite user

2017-04-01 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 03/31/2017 10:12 PM, Ricardo Band wrote: > On Fri, 2017-03-31 at 20:37 -0500, Doug Newgard wrote: >> >> Short version here, you deleted the user's home dir manually and left >> the user. >> That's not a packaging problem. > > Yep. But shouldn't the home dir be recreated when I reinstall the > p

Re: [arch-general] Link against system libs

2017-04-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/07/2017 03:35 AM, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Just that asp is from AUR which isn't an official repository. ABS is in >> the official Extra repository, >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System . > > > Except

Re: [arch-general] Link against system libs

2017-04-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/07/2017 04:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 10:07:12 +0200, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: >> You don't appear to follow arch-dev-public [0] very closely, do you. > > This was mentioned a few days back on this mailing list, too. > What's your point? > >> https://lists.a

Re: [arch-general] arch health

2017-04-20 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/20/2017 06:14 AM, Francisco Barbee via arch-general wrote: > It's 2017, security doesn't mean unoptimized. There was attempt to > bring in more optimizations already used in Clearlinux project like > pgo and lto to makepkg but it's still on sidelines due to lack of > time from devs. See > ht

Re: [arch-general] arch health

2017-04-20 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/20/2017 03:51 PM, Francisco Barbee via arch-general wrote: >> Lack of time is not the issue, in fact, Allan has reviewed *lots* >> of pacman/makepkg patches, and merged lots of them, in the time he >> has refused to even consider these. > > That was the beginning but it seems you didn't foll

Re: [arch-general] arch health

2017-04-20 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/20/2017 09:23 PM, Ivy Foster via arch-general wrote: > Francisco Barbee via arch-general wrote: > >> On 20 April 2017 at 10:32:32, Jelle van der Waa wrote: >>> PIE is blocked by upstream because of this bug iirc. [1] >>> [1] https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21090 > >> Plus

Re: [arch-general] sysdig downgraded without adding a new era?

2017-04-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/24/2017 08:06 PM, Neven Sajko via arch-general wrote: > Anybody else got a "warning: sysdig: local (0.15.1-1) is newer than > community (0.15.0-2)" ? File a bugreport, the version in staging/testing (which was part of the openssl 1.1 rebuild) was older than the new version which was pushed t

Re: [arch-general] sysdig downgraded without adding a new era?

2017-04-24 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/24/2017 08:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > downgrades happen from time to time. When they do, it is a bug. Why on earth do you think epoch exists anyway? Note: custom packages are tangential to this thread, please vent elsewhere. -- Eli Schwartz signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [arch-general] Tobias Powalowski and his nonsensical maintenance decisions

2017-04-29 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 04/28/2017 09:21 AM, Florian Pritz via arch-general wrote: > I have put you on moderation. If you continue annoying us like this > there will be further consequences. Consider this your final warning. > There will not be another. Florian, Well, as you can see from https://lists.archlinux.org/p

Re: [arch-general] libx264 changes

2017-05-07 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 05/07/2017 02:28 PM, Carsten Mattner via arch-general wrote: > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: >> And again, the cycle doesn't matter at all if your ffmpeg package is set up >> correctly. > > I don't understand how I can without additionally repacking libx264/x264, > but ho

Re: [arch-general] libx264 changes

2017-05-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 05/08/2017 01:45 PM, Carsten Mattner wrote: > Is the idea that I create a machine local repo that has highest prio > and overrides arch extra/testing? Otherwise, I don't know how to unbreak > the cycle while only building a custom ffmpeg. Granted that it is a moot point anyway since your initia

Re: [arch-general] Can someone update lib32-p11-kit?

2017-05-10 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 05/10/2017 03:33 PM, DR via arch-general wrote: > It's breaking 32bit chrome and other stuffs. It's already flagged as out-of-date, no need to go complaining on the mailing list though. While it may be disappointing that a package actually goes a whole 2 weeks without getting updated, these th

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