Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-02-17 Thread Magnus Therning
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 06:25, Thomas S Hatch wrote: [...] > Heh, I like OCaml, but I chose Python for a few reasons, one was so that > more people could hack on it, I want it to be very modular, so for instance > it will be possible to make a variety of modules to watch different SCM > managers,

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-02-16 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 01:10:34PM -0700, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > [..] > > Yes, there sure is, there is a lot of backend code that I am working > > on, but this is coming along! > > > > I am still as much as a few months out from having it

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-02-16 Thread Magnus Therning
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 01:10:34PM -0700, Thomas S Hatch wrote: [..] > Yes, there sure is, there is a lot of backend code that I am working > on, but this is coming along! > > I am still as much as a few months out from having it production > ready, and I am a few weeks away from initial functiona

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-02-16 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > El 27/01/11 10:36, Thomas S Hatch dijo: > > I have mentioned this subject before on aur-general, but I wanted to open > a > > discussion about it in the broader community. > > > > I have spent a great deal of my career working with Red Ha

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-02-16 Thread Nicolás Reynolds
El 27/01/11 10:36, Thomas S Hatch dijo: > I have mentioned this subject before on aur-general, but I wanted to open a > discussion about it in the broader community. > > I have spent a great deal of my career working with Red Hat Linux, as have > many in the professional Linux world, and there is

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Isaac Dupree < > m...@isaac.cedarswampstudios.org> wrote: > >> On 01/28/11 09:32, Jakob Gruber wrote: >> >>> Another aspect of this is security. Right now, any dev / TU could >>> theoretically check in

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Isaac Dupree < m...@isaac.cedarswampstudios.org> wrote: > On 01/28/11 09:32, Jakob Gruber wrote: > >> Another aspect of this is security. Right now, any dev / TU could >> theoretically check in a correct PKGBUILD but upload a binary package >> with *insert malicio

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 01/28/11 09:32, Jakob Gruber wrote: Another aspect of this is security. Right now, any dev / TU could theoretically check in a correct PKGBUILD but upload a binary package with *insert malicious content* in it to the repos with a very low probability of anyone ever noticing. A (mandatory) cent

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:08 AM, C Anthony Risinger >wrote: > > > > But with that said I feel very strongly that my wants as a commercial > user > > of Arch are not on par w

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:08 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > But with that said I feel very strongly that my wants as a commercial user > of Arch are not on par with the needs of the Arch community in the manner, > in fact I would say tha

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:08 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > > > Jakob, YES! You are spot on here, one of the main motivations behind a > > system like this is security. While I don't think that this is a problem > > with our developers

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > > Jakob, YES! You are spot on here, one of the main motivations behind a > system like this is security. While I don't think that this is a problem > with our developers, I do think that it is a potential future problem, Arch > is continuing

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas S Hatch
Thanks Allan, I will look at pacbuild. Jelle, as for AUR interactions, this would not be a primary use by any means, I think that serving the core Arch repos would be top priority. There are a lot of ideas about interacting with the AUR, but I think that resource wise and logistically it should i

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Jakob Gruber
Another aspect of this is security. Right now, any dev / TU could theoretically check in a correct PKGBUILD but upload a binary package with *insert malicious content* in it to the repos with a very low probability of anyone ever noticing. A (mandatory) central build server could guarantee that

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 12:34 -0700, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Thomas S Hatch > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM, C Anthony Risinger > >wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-28 Thread Allan McRae
Just as an FYI, have a look a the old pacbuild project: http://projects.archlinux.org/pacbuild.git/ I have no idea how far along its development was, but it might give you some ideas.

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 28/01/11 03:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > >> I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I >> must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not knowing if the project >> is >> in demand. So here is my question, do

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 28/01/11 03:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not knowing if the project is in demand. So here is my question, do we think that something like this would be a benefit to Arch? Is thi

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM, C Anthony Risinger >wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Thomas S Hatch > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Awesome, I actually have a few

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas Dziedzic
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Thomas S Hatch >> wrote: >> > >> > Awesome, I actually have a few servers I will use, and since it will be >> > distributed, we will be able t

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > > > Awesome, I actually have a few servers I will use, and since it will be > > distributed, we will be able to use a lot of servers as builders all > > reporting to a single

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > > Awesome, I actually have a few servers I will use, and since it will be > distributed, we will be able to use a lot of servers as builders all > reporting to a single master. why all the distributed goodness, then a crippling single maste

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Kaiting Chen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > > We have been discussing this in the TU chat, and there is a lot of > > excitement about it, I am going to post some degign docs on the wiki here > > in > > a few days (give me s

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Kaiting Chen
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > We have been discussing this in the TU chat, and there is a lot of > excitement about it, I am going to post some degign docs on the wiki here > in > a few days (give me some time to put it together :) ) and then we can have > a > free for

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM, C Anthony Risinger >wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Thomas S Hatch > >> wrote: > >> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Ra

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas Dziedzic
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Thomas S Hatch >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Ray Rashif >> wrote: >> > >> >> On 28 January 2011 01:36, Thomas S Hatch wr

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Thomas S Hatch > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Ray Rashif > wrote: > > > >> On 28 January 2011 01:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > >> > I have been passively working on a similar project ca

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > >> On 28 January 2011 01:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: >> > I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I >> > must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 28 January 2011 01:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > > I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I > > must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not knowing if the project > is > > in demand. So here is my quest

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Ray Rashif
On 28 January 2011 01:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I > must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not knowing if the project is > in demand. So here is my question, do we think that something like this > would be a benefit t

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: > On 27/01/11 17:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > [...] > > > I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I > > must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not knowing if the project > is > > in demand. So here is my

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Magnus Therning
On 27/01/11 17:36, Thomas S Hatch wrote: [...] > I have been passively working on a similar project called quarters, but I > must admit that my motivation is somewhat low not knowing if the project is > in demand. So here is my question, do we think that something like this > would be a benefit to

[arch-general] Question about automated builder

2011-01-27 Thread Thomas S Hatch
I have mentioned this subject before on aur-general, but I wanted to open a discussion about it in the broader community. I have spent a great deal of my career working with Red Hat Linux, as have many in the professional Linux world, and there is one project that is amazingly useful for the Red H