Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-21 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 03/21/2010 08:47 PM, Gaurish Sharma wrote: On Wednesday 17 Mar 2010 8:09:47 am Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I would love to jump into pacman-dev team. But I don't know C or C++ whatever pacman is written in. :( :( :( I can contribute in PHP. Hi, Please help in AUR, there is lot of work needed

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-21 Thread Gaurish Sharma
On Wednesday 17 Mar 2010 8:09:47 am Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > I would love to jump into pacman-dev team. But I don't know C or C++ > whatever pacman is written in. :( :( :( > I can contribute in PHP. Hi, Please help in AUR, there is lot of work needed to be done. http://bugs.archlinux.org/index

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Ray Kohler
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > I would love to jump into pacman-dev team. But I don't know C or C++ > whatever pacman is written in. :( :( :( > I can contribute in PHP. You might then want to look into helping out the devs of the AUR webapp, if you care about it. T

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
I would love to jump into pacman-dev team. But I don't know C or C++ whatever pacman is written in. :( :( :( I can contribute in PHP. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Denis Kobozev
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Ananda Samaddar > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team?  I feel > strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm > switching to another distro. Despite the fact that I really like Arch, > it's one deficiency is a pretty gla

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Jared Casper
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > Is this a feature request in the bug tracker? Please add it if you > want this functionality. That's the only way it will ever happen > It's been there for years: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/11091 I just wanted to point out that the "md

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Daenyth Blank wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 13:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >> Let this thread not be just another "Will be nice" one. Pacman devs, >> please start implementing these package verification things. > And you're paying them how much that allows

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Ionut Biru
On 03/16/2010 07:24 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are rele

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Jared Casper wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan >> wrote: >>> I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are >>> released within a week of their updates.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Ray Kohler
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jared Casper wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan >>> wrote: I don't think we need any security team for

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Dienstag, 16. März 2010 18:24:46 schrieb Nilesh Govindarajan: > Let this thread not be just another "Will be nice" one. Pacman devs, > please start implementing these package verification things. You got it wrong. Nothing will change until you start working on this. I have seen those discussio

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 13:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Let this thread not be just another "Will be nice" one. Pacman devs, > please start implementing these package verification things. And you're paying them how much that allows you to tell them what to work on? Seriously, patches welcome.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jared Casper wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan >> wrote: >>> I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are >>> released within a week of their updates.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Jared Casper
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan > wrote: >> I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are >> released within a week of their updates. GPG signing and md5sum >> verification is a must though. > > md

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are > released within a week of their updates. GPG signing and md5sum > verification is a must though. md5sum verification has ALWAYS been done

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 03/16/2010 06:53 PM, Chris Allison wrote: I would have thought that this only makes sense in the context of a "point-in-time release". i.e. you have a server which isn't updated as regularly as your desktop. The onus then is on the user to ensure that the versions of packages they are using a

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Chris Allison
I would have thought that this only makes sense in the context of a "point-in-time release". i.e. you have a server which isn't updated as regularly as your desktop. The onus then is on the user to ensure that the versions of packages they are using are "safe". I don't see this as a problem with

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are released within a week of their updates. GPG signing and md5sum verification is a must though. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 23:03, Xavier Chantry wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: [..] >>> 2) resume and finish the gpg work for pacman & friends >> >> Sure, that is worth doing. Is it really a task for a dedicated security >> team? >> It sounds more like a one-time thing for a

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: >> >> 1) what allan said : >> A group could monitor security issues and file bugs to get the devs to >> fix them. > > Is there any evidence that this is actually needed? > No, Allan asked for some numbers, and I am curious too. > My impres

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/03/10 08:42, Magnus Therning wrote: On 15/03/10 22:34, Xavier Chantry wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: After a quick look at it I don't see much that would apply though. Arch doesn't have releases. Arch follows upstream releases very closes (in some cases

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 22:34, Xavier Chantry wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: >> After a quick look at it I don't see much that would apply though. Arch >> doesn't have releases. Arch follows upstream releases very closes (in some >> cases even too closely ;-) >> >> So, if

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: > After a quick look at it I don't see much that would apply though.  Arch > doesn't have releases.  Arch follows upstream releases very closes (in some > cases even too closely ;-) > > So, if there is no need for backporting to a set of pac

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 22:03, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:32 -0700 > Thayer Williams wrote: >> >> No offence taken and FWIW a lot of people switch distros because of >> one or two fundamental needs that aren't meant. This wouldn't be any >> different. >> >> Look forward to hearing wha

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 21:43, Ananda Samaddar wrote: [..] > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team? I feel > strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm switching > to another distro. Despite the fact that I really like Arch, it's one > deficiency is a pretty glarin

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:32 -0700 Thayer Williams wrote: > > No offence taken and FWIW a lot of people switch distros because of > one or two fundamental needs that aren't meant. This wouldn't be any > different. > > Look forward to hearing what you have to say... I'd like to help get things

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/03/10 07:43, Ananda Samaddar wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:29:45 +1000 Allan McRae wrote: As an aside, I would like to see some numbers on where we could improve in this area. I have been following the CVE announcements and several other distros security releases for the past few months

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Thayer Williams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Thayer Williams wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Ananda Samaddar > wrote: >> Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team?  I feel >> strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm >> switching to another distro. Despite

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Thayer Williams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team?  I feel > strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm > switching to another distro. Despite the fact that I really like Arch, > it's one deficiency is a pre

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Gaurish Sharma
On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 2:59:45 am Allan McRae wrote: > > As an aside, I would like to see some numbers on where we could improve > in this area. I have been following the CVE announcements and several > other distros security releases for the past few months and from what I > see, I believe Arc

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 17:43, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team? This has been proposed multiple times, but oddly enough no one who has proposed it has ever taken any steps to make it happen...

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:29:45 +1000 Allan McRae wrote: > > As an aside, I would like to see some numbers on where we could > improve in this area. I have been following the CVE announcements > and several other distros security releases for the past few months > and from what I see, I believe Arc

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/03/10 06:37, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: Am Montag, 15. März 2010 20:54:03 schrieb Ananda Samaddar: The reason I'm asking is I want to know to whom I address my proposals when they are finished. Simple: File a bug report or feature reques

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > Am Montag, 15. März 2010 20:54:03 schrieb Ananda Samaddar: >> The reason I'm asking is I want to know to whom I address my proposals >> when they are finished. > > Simple: File a bug report or feature request at bugs.archlinux.org. No idea >

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Montag, 15. März 2010 20:54:03 schrieb Ananda Samaddar: > The reason I'm asking is I want to know to whom I address my proposals > when they are finished. Simple: File a bug report or feature request at bugs.archlinux.org. No idea what your "proposals" are about but you should make sure they o

[arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
Further to my previous email a while back I've started work on some proposals that I'd like to pitch to the Arch community and the powers that be. They aren't finished yet but should be soon. The thing is I'm not really aware of the 'chain of command' in Arch. Aaron Griffin, are you the 'benevol