Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Dropping bluez4

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Andreas Radke wrote: > I've done some work and research on bluez lately. I can confirm my > adapters to work with bluez 5.10 and gnome-bluetooth (connecting > to headset + smartphone) that has already moved to extra. > > I couldn't make it work with kde+bluedevil th

Re: [arch-general] Issue with systemd --user services

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:45 AM, John Davis wrote: > Can you show us the unitfile for the service as well. ie. mpd.service I > assume. It would be in /lib/systemd/system or /etc/systemd/system sub dirs > or one of the ones beneath these two dirs. As is shown in the 'status' output above, the pa

Re: [arch-general] Quo vadis, systemd user session?

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Tobias Frilling wrote: > So my first questions are: Is this something a sane person would do? Is there > a > more elegant way without installing more 3rd party software? Do I need to i > involve logind in some way? systemd --user is meant to be ran once per user

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] systemd 207 and btrfs

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jameson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Curtis Shimamoto > wrote: >> This is just a shot in the dark, but what if you were to put the necessary >> modules for btrfs in mkinitcpio.conf's MODULES list to have it loaded >> explicitly >> and early? > > Tha

Re: [arch-general] swap not always enabled?

This is a systemd bug (caused by me), the fix is: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=90060fa6605446bef7078867423b691e4effa575 On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:16 PM, phanisvara wrote: > normally conky tells me that i'm using 0% swap. just now i noticed it > showing, "no swap%," whic

Re: [arch-general] tmpfs 100% /tmp - No space left on device

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Notice, though, that if /tmp is getting full and is about the same size as > RAM, > the system will start swapping well before /tmp is filled, so you'll get no > performance gain from building in /tmp because effectively you'll be > compiling

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 01:15:28PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > >> It is correct that systemtl poweroff is synchronous, but using telinit >> or --no-block will avoid that. > > Are you sure about telinit ? It was

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:56:09PM +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: >> >> > ssh -t remote1 "sudo systemctl poweroff && exit" >> > >> > Technically I guess it's a race condition, but t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [FYI] systemd 205, cgroup attribute changes

On Jul 5, 2013 3:40 AM, "Oon-Ee Ng" wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Dave Reisner wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 02:44:12PM -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 12:48:49PM -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: > >> > Hey all, > >> > > >> > systemd 205 was just tagged, and b

Re: [arch-general] bluetooth

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Genes Lists wrote: > 1) Fully updated from testing repo. As of a couple of days ago (around > 3.9.7 kernel) I noticed that bluetooth mouse takes a few seconds to > initialize - it used to be almost instant. Strange, this should not have changed. Could you try dow

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Karol Babioch wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Am 13.05.2013 18:02, schrieb Tom Gundersen: >> I would like to push Bluez 5 to the repos, and rename Bluez 4 to >> 'bluez4'. Some things still require Bluez 4, and the two can not be >>

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [pacman-dev] debug package repositories

comes to having debug packages in a > separate repository. > > On 15 April 2013 15:00, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> Couldn't pacman be fixed to only show debug packages in search results when >> you ask for it with a switch? Maybe something similar could be done for >>

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio: fsck - Does it actually make sense?

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Karol Babioch wrote: > I'm wondering whether it makes actually sense to include the fsck hook > into the initial ramdisk.syt In case your filesystem needs fsck before being mounted (i.e., it is not btrfs), then the sane thing to do is to first fsck it, and then mo

Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch Linux on pure ZFS root

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Stanislav Seletskiy wrote: > In the light of "production ready" ZoL I've tried to install Arch on pure > ZFS root (without additional boot partition) and stuck in problem with > GRUB2. > > Current version of GRUB2 is not detecting ZoL in any way ("grub-probe /" > d

Re: [arch-general] Upgrade finish in a "Kernel Panic - not syncing : no init found"

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dany De Bontridder wrote: > I reinstalled 2 weeks ago arch linux, because a pacman -Syu broke everything. > > Today, everything works fine and I decide to keep my PC up-to-date, > so I run pacman -Syu and I get a message when trying to boot > > *** Kernel Panic

Re: [arch-general] Future of dmraid on nvidia chipsets in Arch?

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Is there planned support for existing nvidia based dmraid arrays in Arch, I can only speak for myself, but to the best of my knowledge no Arch devs use dmraid, and upstream appears to be dead. Based on that I'd say the best choice would

Re: [arch-general] UEFI madness

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Mika Fischer wrote: > itself. Arch would still need to > change where the kernels are installed to prevent clobbering the root > of the ESP, for instance by installing somewhere in /usr and then > calling this tool in post_install() to install the kernel to the > pr

Re: [arch-general] mysqld (MySQL and MariaDB) polling

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Christian Hesse wrote: > based on the thread "[RFC] Migration to MariaDB" in arch-dev-public by > Bartłomiej Piotrowski I started playing with MySQL and MariaDB. I noticed > both were polling every second: > > <... futex resumed> ) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection

Re: [arch-general] A question about handling a system with two wired network interfaces?

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote: >> I will try to fiddle with the service files and get it to work - but >> clearly at the moment it is non-ideal as this is a server and a remote >> reboot would currently leave it without a working network connection! >> >> > I have finally fou

Re: [arch-general] A question about handling a system with two wired network interfaces?

Hi Mike, Lots of stuff going on, so sorry for not answering inline. * It looks like NetworkManager and dhcpd are stepping on eachother's toes. Maybe you want to disable dhcpd and only use NM? * Any service that cannot deal with network devices appearing or being rename after it is started (is b

Re: [arch-general] A question about handling a system with two wired network interfaces?

Hi Mike, On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote: > I have a system with two ethernet sockets on the motherboard, and I have > until very recently been finding that my network at random failed to come > up during the boot process. Just to be clear: the problem is still occurring (I a

Re: [arch-general] UTC

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > after a reboot there always is an offset of -3600 sec, when running > ntpdate. > > # timedatectl status | grep local >RTC in local TZ: yes > Warning: The RTC is configured to maintain time in the local time zone. > This >RTC in

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add Wayland/Weston

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Martín Cigorraga wrote: > I'm totally missing something here since I haven't found Wayland as a required > dependency for libgdk-3 on the other two distributions I was working with. I guess what you are missing is the fact that wayland is optional at compile-time,

Re: [arch-general] Status of BlueZ update

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 04.02.2013 19:01, schrieb Karol Babioch: >> Hi, >> >> by now BlueZ 5.2 has already been released. I'm wondering what the >> current status for the package on Archlinux is. I've found this (see >> [1]) status report over on "arch-dev-publi

Re: [arch-general] Encryption passphrase has to be entered twice

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Karol Babioch wrote: > Has anyone experienced something like this already? What might be the > problem here? I have noticed that it sometimes takes some time (~1 second) before the keyboard starts working in the initramfs (on my MacBook Air at least, so this _mig

Re: [arch-general] SeaMonkey outdated. Critical security holes in the current version!

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Manuel Reimer wrote: > The only alternative would be to > drop the package at all. It has only been marked out-of-date for one week, so don't despair yet :-) Notice that the package was recently dropped from [extra] to [community]. Cheers, Tom [0]:

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio/fsck.btrfs

Hi Arno, On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Arno Gaboury wrote: > HOOKS="base udev autodetect block lvm2 filesystems fsck usr usbinput > shutdown modconf" > > When # mkinitcpio, I get this error: > -> Running build hook: [fsck] > ==> ERROR: file not found: `fsck.btrfs' > ==> WARNING: No fsck hel

Re: [arch-general] powernow-k8 fails to load with linux 3.7.2

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > I just installed linux 3.7.2 from [testing] on an AMD system and > noticed that powernow-k8 is not loaded. Probably due to this: . > M

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] network interface naming with systemd 197

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Hi Tom, what about netcfg users. I assume we'd need to change > INTERFACE in all our netcfg profiles, but would simply renaming the > /etc/network.d/interfaces/{eth,wlan}0 files to the unique names work? I know that netcfg users will have to mak

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] network interface naming with systemd 197

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Sander Jansen wrote: > uessing for users of NetworkManager there shouldn't be any change. Yeah, NM won't care at all. > And people using 'systemctl enable dhcpcd@eth0' will have to change the > device name? Correct. > Can this be done before the reboot (for head

Re: [arch-general] UEFI experience - recommendations needed.

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote: > Does anyone have experience with such a UEFI system on this list? Apart > from the info on the arch wiki and the install wiki info (which I have been > reading), are systems like this reliable once installed? Does the routine > pacman update pr

Re: [arch-general] Install problem

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > * What is the purpose of halt.target ? It stops the system > but leaves power on. AFAICS, it's not possible to restart > without a power cycle... Under sysvinit halt and poweroff were the same. Under systemd 'halt' halts the machine, w

Re: [arch-general] Mounting /var early in systemd

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > Thanks for your suggestions. I added /var to fstab and rebooted, but it was > ordered lower down that specifying "Before=sockets.target": So no socket is After=var.mount. The question is: which one should be? On my system there should be

Re: [arch-general] Mounting /var early in systemd

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > I'm trying a mount > unit here, because I was hoping there might be a bit more magic to it. Yes, it is. > However, it does mean that I had to hardcode the mount path (%H doesn't seem > to work) At the moment %H and friends only work on

Re: [arch-general] Mounting /var early in systemd

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > I'm migrating a diskless cluster from initscripts to systemd. The problem I > have is that the nodes each need to mount their own separate /var (identified > by hostname) from the NFS server when they boot. I have never done something li

Re: [arch-general] On /etc/conf.d deprecation

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote: > Personally I believe all distros that switch to systemd will add their own > twist to it. Distro-independant Unit files sounds like Utopia. In reality I > expect unit files to be patched for various custom needs of different > distros.

Re: [arch-general] On /etc/conf.d deprecation

Hi Dimitrios, On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote: > from a reply I got to a bug report (FS#32817, reply is private) I found out > that configuration files in /etc/conf.d are deprecated and that the > supported way is to replicate and customize service files. [...] > So I'

Re: [arch-general] Unable to contact D-Bus session bus [testing]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > I downgraded immediately due to having some things to finish off. At > that time dbus was at 1.6.8-4, now its 1.6.8-5 (just updated again as > today I have a bit of time to debug). Just to be clear: can you reproduce this bug with 1.6.8-5 (in [co

Re: [arch-general] rootfs remains in ro at boot on fresh install with new December ISO

Hi Olivier, On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM, LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT wrote: > Since I didn't want a tmpfs mounted in /tmp, I did follow directives from the > Beginners guide: > > systemctl mask tmp.mount > > The result of that thing is: > > 1. rootfs is ro. > > 2. My disk partition for /tmp spe

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dbus cleanup

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: > If you merge the two packages, what am I supposed > to do? I can't simply remove /usr/bin/dbus-launch and > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/30-dbus 30-dbus will go away, so that's not an issue. That leaves dbus-launch. I don't see why you wou

Re: [arch-general] rootfs remains in ro at boot on fresh install with new December ISO

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM, LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT wrote: > Hi, > > I hope it is not caused by the shortcut that I have taken to update my usb > install key from november iso to december iso as described in the other > thread. > > The first symptom that I have observed is that dhcpcd isn'

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > And the actual problem are the users that do not want an initramfs - > things booted without one the last few decades, why add some machinery > now that doesn't improve anything? (I mean, we could boot before, so > what's the *feature* we ga

Re: [arch-general] systemd sessions, su -l, and access to /dev/

On Nov 23, 2012 12:21 AM, "MSal" wrote: > I asked about this in the forum. But it looks like this is a better > place to discuss systemd-related issues. > > If I login to user1 or user2 then try to play audio which requires > access to /dev/snd/* , proper access to the logged in user is set by > t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] the future of /media

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > I have udisks 1 and 2 installed but use neither. I have permanent > folders in /media/. Will /media/ changes by pacman simply fail and > everything continue happily or will I simply have to recreate or make > them immutable? As long as eith

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Odd, my take was that the main goal was trying to bring back a > separate /usr. There is nothing to be done in udev for this (just have a look in the eudev git repo; there are no commits "fixing" separate /usr), so that part of the discussi

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Jérôme Bartand wrote: > I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on a udev fork > called eudev Having read through their discussions, it seems that the main two things they would like to change is to be able to build udev without building systemd (

Re: [arch-general] Pulseaudio update - mpd now refuses to play as same user

On Nov 19, 2012 10:27 AM, "Oon-Ee Ng" wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > > > Hi, Pulseaudio from [testing] just updated to 2.99.2-1, now mpd audio > > > output (running mpd as my own user) fails with the follow

Re: [arch-general] Qingy on systemd

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Curtis Shimamoto wrote: > On 11/08/12 at 04:00pm, David Rosenstrauch wrote: >> Looks like it doesn't: >> >> [darose@daroselin ~]$ sudo systemctl enable qingy@tty6 >> ln -s '/usr/lib/systemd/system/qingy@.service' >> '/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/qingy@%I.s

Re: [arch-general] Setting prefered voice for espeakup

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Kyle wrote: > So in the example given by the OP, the ExecStart line should look like > > ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=en-us > > and then the edited file should be saved to /etc/systemd/espeakup.service. Correct. > Did I get this right, or does the

Re: [arch-general] Setting prefered voice for espeakup

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Kyle wrote: > Actually, I don't think you're doing anything wrong at all. I think the > problem is in the systemd service file, and it's all my fault. I see I'm not > even taking arguments from /etc/conf.d/espeakup as I should be doing. The current behaviour is co

Re: [arch-general] Forking daemons and systemd

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Kyle wrote: > a. espeakup is not a dependency of any other service, as it only provides > speech feedback for blind users at boot time, and > b. the daemon supports a pidfile, which I included in the service unit. > I can test this on my local unit file, or I can p

Re: [arch-general] USB Flash drive problems

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:22 PM, P .NIKOLIC wrote: > This is possible ..from what i have been reading not too sure if i > have Systemd running or not the system is fully updated . You will not have been converted over automatically. See the wiki for how to do that. > How do i check to see if i

Re: [arch-general] Forking daemons and systemd

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > I was wondering whether there is a guideline regarding using > Type=forking daemons in systemd units. For instance, if a daemon supports a > cmdline switch to run in foreground isn't it better to use this argument in > ExecStart? If yo

Re: [arch-general] USB Flash drive problems

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Phoenix Nemo wrote: > Can you use any other flash drives or removable devices? Which display > manager do you use, and which file manager? > > I get this error several times due to added 'ck-launch-session' to my > $HOME/.xinitrc because my display manager have alre

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Dropping all packages with missing systemd units

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Sébastien Leduc wrote: > Concerning tinc, a bug report [1] was created with an attached service > file, which has been added to the 1.0.19-2 version of the package [2]. > > It seems that the TODO-list for missing systemd units has just not been > updated for tinc ye

Re: [arch-general] A systemd less Linux alternative to Arch is hard to find but exists

Sorry, I let these messages through in error. I don't think this discussion will go anywhere, so let's just close it here. -t

Re: [arch-general] What is FONT_MAP for?

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:33 AM, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > So what is FONT_MAP for? Check the setfont(8) manpage. -t

Re: [arch-general] PowerDNS systemd script

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01tto...@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a systemd unit for pdns? I just moved it to community, where Alexander Rødseth will adopt it. I expect a unit to appear shortly :-) Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-general] consolekit removal - a question

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01tto...@gmail.com> wrote: > pacman -Rsc consolekit prompts me to remove half KDE. Then you are likely not up-to-date. Make sure your mirror is synced, and that you have done a "pacman -Syu". -t

Re: [arch-general] consolekit removal - a question

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:46 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > For people who have converted to systemd it seems that consolekit is no > longer needed. > > When removing it should one do "pacman -R consolekit" or "pacman -Rs > consolekit" - I was unsure whether the dependencies should also be removed > or

Re: [arch-general] ConsoleKit replaced by logind vs Initsricpts

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I'm using GDM and Xfce. It isn't a surprise that I can't log in anymore. That is not expected. You should still be able to log in. Are you using [testing]? If so, you might be hit by a bug I introduced when updating libtirpc yesterday. It can

Re: [arch-general] libtirpc from testing breaks login

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Just a me too, had to downgrade as my lecture is in a couple of > minutes. Will track the bug report in case any info is needed > (unlikely). The change was reverted (so -4 is the same as -2). -t

Re: [arch-general] [Cups and systemd] duplicated service file

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Brock.Zheng wrote: > I found that the package cups hav duplicated service file, > Here is some cmdline interactivity: One is just an alias (symlink) for the other. I'm working on a patch to make systemctl behave nicer with respect to aliases, but have not

Re: [arch-general] libtirpc from testing breaks login

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Arthur Titeica wrote: > It seems that the upgrade to libtirpc 0.2.2-3 from testing breaks systemd- > logind/pam and logging in to the system is not possible except in rescue mode. Thanks, I'll have a look now. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-general] bootchart confusion

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:09 PM, G. Schlisio wrote: > i am confused about bootchart{,2}. in aur [1] its called bootchart2, in > community we have bootchart [2]. > in the aur there is a comment from tom, that [1] is going to be replaced by > [2]. > now [2] is bootchart version 1.20, so it does no

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Curtis Shimamoto wrote: > One more thing I forgot to ask. Do I need to include the ACTION and > ENV{MAJOR} stuff in my personal rule (71-my-uaccess.rule)? Namely: > > ACTION=="remove", GOTO="uaccess_end" > ENV{MAJOR}=="", GOTO="uaccess_end" > ... > LABEL="uaccess

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, F.Gr. wrote: > Excerpt from Giorgio Lando's message > of 2012-10-28T12:29+0100: > >> > "Note: Adding your user to groups (optical, audio, scanner, ...) >> > is not necessary with systemd. It might even break the wanted >> > functionality if you do so." >> >> While

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > You (Tom) pointed out a way to disable logind modifying device > ACLs recently. It could be a good thing to have that in the > online docs for those users (like me) for whom this sort of > thing is unwanted. The rule that tags device nodes

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs snapshots for upgrade operations

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Yclept Nemo wrote: >> create a new subvolume as a snapshot of / >> mount the new subvolume on /mnt/ >> pacman -Syu --root=/mnt >> mark the new subvolume as the default one > > How much space does a subvolume/snapshot require? It is copy-on-write, so at first it ta

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Giorgio Lando wrote: >> "Note: Adding your user to groups (optical, audio, scanner, ...) is not >> necessary with systemd. It might even break the wanted functionality if >> you do so." > > While I ignore the technical reasons, my scanner does not work if I am not

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

Nice explanation Zeke. Just one comment: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Zeke Sulastin wrote: > Adding a user to a group can cause this process to be subverted - > logind can't manage who is in what group. This means that both the user granted permissons by ACL, and the user granted permission

Re: [arch-general] Filesystem and /etc/shadow

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote: > The update to filesystem-2012.10-2 brings with it a new /etc/shadow. > This is one of the cases in which inspecting the diff between what I > have and the .pacnew doesn't give any insight (to clueless users such as > me). Could anyone provi

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs snapshots for upgrade operations

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote: > Archlinux is supporting btrfs for root filesystem some time now. Have any > work or thoughts been done for supporting snapshots before update packages? > This way you can keep record of what's happening to your system and easily > roll

Re: [arch-general] net-snmp conflict files on upgrade

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote: > When I tried today to upgrade the system with: > pacman -Suyy > I got conflicts on net-snmp package. > > I installed everything except that and tried again with no results, is > it safe to --force it? Anyone had that also? > pacman log

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [PSA] minor filesystem changes

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > So, is it safe to remove /etc/hosts after updating the filesystem, or there > are some applications which still expect it? You probably still want to keep the standard one we ship, as it provides 'localhost' et al. -t

Re: [arch-general] system locale messages readable only on tty1 !

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM, jambov wrote: > I found some kind of ugly workaround, by putting > setfont Cyr_a8x16 -m cp1251 > in ~/.bashrc ; however the question why systemd-vconsole-setup does not > affect the rest of the ttys at startup still remains... Probably what happens is that systemd

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video ***

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM, P .NIKOLIC wrote: > What is the easiest way to stop pacman trying to update all the > xf86-video* drivers for cards i do not have the system uses the > xf86-video-nouveau driver perfectly well but tries to install sis ati > sirrus trident and more Why not just r

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] consolekit dependencies?

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > What are the way for people which ex. use fluxbox via > ck-launch-session and thunar as a filemanager (for > dbus/polkit/udisks things) AND NOT systemd-logind ? > > Will there be a way to use dbus/polkit-releated actions without > systemd?

Re: [arch-general] systemd transition on virtual server - help needed

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 09.10.2012 20:34, schrieb Florian Bruhin: >> At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit. >> I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in >> /etc/pacman.conf and hope. > > Bad idea. initscripts require the s

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [draft] Install medium 2012.10.06 introduces systemd

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Martín Cigorraga wrote: > Can I suggest to add tmux on an upcoming release!? Could you give some more justification? -t

Re: [arch-general] kernel 3.6 feedback

On Oct 4, 2012 5:24 AM, "Genes MailLists" wrote: > For those not following the entire thread - there seems to be some debate about firmware loading in udev vs in kernel space and some recent changes leading to some problems. Arch is not affected as we revert the udev commit. Tom

Re: [arch-general] systemd, running scripts after suspend/hibernate

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: >> The way I read it is that the sort of problems you would typically >> workaround with suspend hooks are best solved somewhere else, probably >> in the kernel driver. [...] > Now the Linux kernel is blamed for the systemd insufficiencies and >

Re: [arch-general] systemd, running scripts after suspend/hibernate

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Mauro Santos wrote: > This seems to imply that a service file should be used, what I can't > figure out from the documentation or google searches is how to implement > the functionality I want with a .service file, or if a service file is > actually needed/recommen

[arch-general] [projects] Message rejected

Hi Leonidas, On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote: > l'm trying to send a patch over to arch-projects mailing list and it's > rejected from filters. > I added to subject the [archweb] as instructed from irc channel. > > This is my full subject: [archweb] [PATCH] Update Readm

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > (from ): The documentation of logind could indeed be better. Hopefully the manpage systemd-logind(5) will provide more complete information in the future. > An absolute requireme

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

On Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM, "Nicolas Sebrecht" wrote: > > The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > > > We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person > > posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads > > with fear, uncertainty, doubt, and just sheer incom

Re: [arch-general] utmp MIA

On Sep 28, 2012 12:12 PM, "Jorge Almeida" wrote: > > I ran pacman -Syu yesterday, and now on boot the file /run/utmp is not > created. Anyone else with this problem? (Yes, /var/run is a symlink to /run) > > (I also changed from grub2 to syslinux, but I suppose this has nothing to do > with the pro

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > A question about this: apart from changes such as those required > to accomodate systemd or the /lib to /usr/lib migration, _what_ is > actually involved in the day-to-day maintenance of initscripts ? > In other words, what sort of events

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Is it possible to configure pacman to upgrade initscripts and related > packages only from testing, but no other packages? I don't think you can make pacman do that automatically (I think not). What you can do is add [testing] as your last re

[arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

Hi guys, As the move to systemd is under way, and we will soon have packages in our repos that require your system to be booted with systemd, I thought this would be a good time to summarize the state of sysvinit/initscripts in Arch and their future. Abstract: I think the current state is relativ

Re: [arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

Hi Heiko, On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Why am I not surprised? Why should you be? I'm not. I don't think anyone finds it surprising that software has bugs, or that actively developed software has the occasional regression. It will happen from time to time, even with syst

Re: [arch-general] Has arch considered switching x86 to PAE by default

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > I read not too long ago that one of the major distros is switching to > PAE by default but I forget which distro, maybe Ubuntu. > > Has arch considered PAE by default. It has been discussed repeatedly in the past. Consensus seems to be that

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Sending a laptop to the repair shop

On Sep 21, 2012 2:39 AM, "Manolo Martínez" wrote: > > Just a quick question. What do you guys do when you have to leave your > laptop at the repair shop? Do you create a new user for them, you > give them your user and password and hope for the best, ask them to use > a live CD? What? Remove the

Re: [arch-general] Shutdown's SIGTERM [FAIL]

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Martín Cigorraga wrote: > Hi, I noticed I'm getting a [FAIL] message for SIGTERM on system > shutdown[0], how can I debug it? I already checked /var/log but found > nothing :( This means that some process did not terminate before the timeout ended. To find out whi

Re: [arch-general] libsystemd to systemd

On Aug 31, 2012 7:47 PM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > Isn't getting rid of the compat layer going to be more work for some > (not too much to ask) than those who are grumbling simply commenting out > the DAEMONS line? Ah, got it. There is slightly more to it than that. The way it is done now causes

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: libsystemd to systemd

On Aug 31, 2012 7:47 PM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > > > > I will give one example. Lennart says come on who connects to sshd more > > > than once a month. I can't believe he's never seen a sshd log with > > > constant pass attempts even though passwords are disabled. > > > > You are misunderstandin

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: libsystemd to systemd

On Aug 31, 2012 6:59 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-08-31 at 17:30 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > Be honest Tom, do you think it is less or more risky timewise for him to > > switch, right now? > > That's a good question. At the moment everything I really need, does > work as it shou

Re: [arch-general] libsystemd to systemd

On Aug 31, 2012 6:32 PM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2012-08-31 at 13:51 +0200, Damjan Georgievski wrote: > > > > And this is yet another example how initscripts are broken. > > > > I had a friend whose GDM was not coming up because it > > > > was starting too fast after dbus. As a las

Re: [arch-general] libsystemd to systemd

On Aug 31, 2012 6:31 PM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > > > People are grumbling about this compatibility layer, and I might > > change/remove it at some point. The reason I still have not ripped it > > out is that I like the fact that your system will "just work" as > > before if you add init=/bin/sys

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: libsystemd to systemd

On Aug 31, 2012 6:31 PM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > I will give one example. Lennart says come on who connects to sshd more > than once a month. I can't believe he's never seen a sshd log with > constant pass attempts even though passwords are disabled. You are misunderstanding the sshd example.

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