Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > On 25 April 2012 23:25, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > > I strongly believe that should we move away from intscripts it needs > > to be to an event-driven system (such as systemd or upstart) and it > > was not clear from the webpage that Open

Re: [arch-general] RFC: OpenRC as init system for Arch

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Greetings, > > in the last months there have been many discussions about init systems, > especially systemd. The current state seems to make no one really happy > - the current Arch Linux init system is a bit minimal and gets the job > done

Re: [arch-general] how many virtual machines

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote: > On Apr 3, 2012 3:59 PM, "Kaiting Chen" wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nicholas MIller > wrote: > > > > > hello > > > > > > I currently host my personal webpage

Re: [arch-general] how many virtual machines

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote: > hello > > I currently host my personal webpage from a virtual machine at my house. I > am looking to add a mailserver as well as an irc server. however I don't > know if I should be using a separate vmachine for each service. I am more >

Re: [arch-general] htaccess password

You probably want to look into mod_auth_ldap or something by that point. Do you want to generate them randomly? --Kaiting. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM, pete wrote: > > Hi .. > > I need to generate a htaccess file that has 150 username password > pairs does anyone know of a utility that can

Re: [arch-general] Note on Trinity R14 (3.5.14)

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 1:07 AM, David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > Guys, > > There will be an upcoming release of TDE 3.5.14 in the next few months > and I > have worked to update the build system for Arch. All packages below are > building > on current libraries. The onl

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Cleaning up orphaned packages

2012/3/21 Bartłomiej Piotrowski > On 03/20/2012 10:28 PM, Kaiting Chen wrote: > > > > Oh never mind that's taken, I could take bzr, proftpd, openbabel, and > vim. > > Out of these avogadro which is in [extra] depends on openbabel. > > Surprisingly the only non

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Cleaning up orphaned packages

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Kaiting Chen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Lukas Fleischer > wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:40:25PM +0100, Lukas Fleischer wrote: >> > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 01:01:03AM +0100, Pierre Schmitz wrote: >> > >

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Cleaning up orphaned packages

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Lukas Fleischer wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:40:25PM +0100, Lukas Fleischer wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 01:01:03AM +0100, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > > > Am 24.02.2012 17:06, schrieb Lukas Fleischer: > > > > Apart from that, +1 to this idea. I already che

Re: [arch-general] Why are financial contributions not accepted?

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 01/05/11 15:35, Johannes Held wrote: > >> On 01.05.2011 04:13, Ray Kohler wrote: >> >>> I also have donated in the past, and would do so again if it were made >>> possible. >>> >> What about a normal bank transfer to one of Arch's core maint

Re: [arch-general] Why are financial contributions not accepted?

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, David Campbell wrote: > Excerpts from Ray Kohler's message of 2011-04-30 22:13:24 -0400: > > The donations were done via PayPal and those in charge decided PayPal > > wasn't trustworthy for use by non-profit organizations who don't have > > official government non-p

Re: [arch-general] pacman: -Rd remove with no dependency check changed?

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Marek Otahal wrote: > On Sunday 01 of May 2011 00:36:40 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > > Marek Otahal wrote: > > > Oh, thank you very much Jesse! I already started writing a patch to > > > mention the -dd then I read the text carefully.. > > > > Don't bother, its alre

Re: [arch-general] Myths and reality about cronie

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > you know what would be reeaally cool? > A cron daemon that can read user crontabs from $HOME/.config/crontab or > something. I think all user-specific stuff should be in $HOME, > although it would probably require a posix acl to allow the

[arch-general] Myths and reality about cronie

I've compiled a short document describing exactly what cronie is and is not; and if it were to be the default what would and would not happen to base, [core], and the rest of Arch. It is my hope that this will clear up some of the misunderstanding surrounding the current discussion on arch-general.

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

On Apr 21, 2011, at 17:30, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > Ionut Biru wrote: >> On 04/22/2011 12:11 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: >>> Ionut Biru wrote: On 04/21/2011 02:18 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:48:04 +0200 > schrieb Sven-Hendrik Haase: > >> I second thi

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:32 AM, David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > On 04/06/2011 10:34 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > >> Upstream stability makes sense. If redhat is behind cronie, then that >>> > seems like the logical choice. >>> >> Why is this logical? Is it the developer wh

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > In my opinion, SELinux would be better supported in a user provided repo. > Work with the guy (whose name I can not remember...) who has done an > awesome job getting this all done and into the AUR. > Okay I don't know a thing about SELinux b

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:45:29 -0400 > Kaiting Chen wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Dieter Plaetinck > > wrote: > > > > > > On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different way

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > > On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different way > > without any further discussions. There's a need for installing one > > cron daemon, but no need for a default cron daemon. It's pretty the > > same issue as with the boot

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux > because users should have a choice to use any MAC software they want. > That's why AppArmor /Tomoyo are nicer solutions cause they don't require > recompiling of pa

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Why do you need vixie cron syntax? Can't you migrate once to a new > syntax? Btw., most of fcron's syntax is the same as the syntax of every > cron daemon. You can easily take your previous crontabs. You probably > have only to do some changes

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > cronie has anacron features and I think is a good option. > Unfortunately cronie isn't even in [community] yet. I've been trying to get it there for a while. Also, in what way is another crond + anacron inferior to fcron? --Kaiting. -- Ki

Re: [arch-general] Where should system-wide vim files go?

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: > Because the vast majority of vim extensions I've come across are turned on > as soon as they are installed, which means that installing them centrally > turns them on for *all* users on the system. > You could do set noloadplugins and then

Re: [arch-general] Any place I can host the Trinity binary packages for testing?

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:07 PM, David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > Is there a place I can upload and host the finished Trinity packages for > testing? I have less than 500K upstream capability at home, so that makes > hosting the binaries impossible for me. I have both i

Re: [arch-general] Viewing changelogs for packages

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Divan Santana wrote: > I'd like to view the change logs of new packages when new updates are > available. > > I see pacman -Qc would display a changelog of a package installed. > It seems that 95% of the packages(on my system anyway) don't have a > changelog. > >

Re: [arch-general] util-linux 2.19 release

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Dave Reisner wrote: > Other thoughts: If we build this with --enable-libmount-mount, we can do > away with /etc/mtab and make it a symlink to /proc/self/mounts. It is, > however, marked as experimental in the release notes. > Hi, how does the --enable-libmount-mo

Re: [arch-general] who wants to write me a relatively simple webapp?

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > So I would like a web application that gives me "a pretty good idea" of the > quality of current/recent images. > I request someone other then me to make this app for me, I do not have the > time. (I do have time for feedback or making adju

Re: [arch-general] Question about automated builder

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > We have been discussing this in the TU chat, and there is a lot of > excitement about it, I am going to post some degign docs on the wiki here > in > a few days (give me some time to put it together :) ) and then we can have > a > free for

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > I'd like to install GNOME for my freshly installed base system following > instructions provided on this page 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ > GNOME#Base '. As you > can see it

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > Package upstart, create a forum thread, gather some evidence that it > could be implemented easy in the archlinux and then take it too the > devs. (If they would still be interested after all this 16 year old > behaviour :P ) > First of

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > Oh God please never. It would be nice to have it as an option for users who are interested (I'm totally for an officially supported option) but there's no need to complicate

[arch-general] Please settle 'base' in 'depends' for all

Okay everyone, every time I ask I get a different answer. According to Dziedzic and Allan 'glibc' does *not* belong in 'depends'. Also Dziedzic votes that *no* package in 'base' should be in 'depends'. Can we settle once and for all what the correct policy is? And then can we update the wiki page a

Re: [arch-general] why I'd rather use Python over Javascript for web development

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > You reminded me of a comment on reddit: > > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/cf8cv/extjs_to_add_more_confusion_to_developers_changes/c0s6tah > Funny comment, but whoever wrote it is an idiot and needs to RTFM. In terms of epi

Re: [arch-general] why I'd rather use Python over Javascript for web development

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:44 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > ) JS is completely unstructured. powerful, but causes developers to > implement many things that would be a part of the core syntax in other > langs > ) the causes many different impls of the same, and new devs to > misuse the real

Re: [arch-general] We want to help

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > the benefit to the pyjs approach is 100% client side operation, so it > can run without online access. additionally, the python-DOM version > (or the pyjs version if proxying thru a local daemon) could > potentially direct install from

Re: [arch-general] Testing kills shm and pts

Um what? You're going to need to be a little more specific. --Kaiting. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/

Re: [arch-general] Patent protection

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: > > I could be totally wrong here, but as far as I know "Arch Linux" doesn't > > actually exist as a legal entity. I haven't had time to read the linked > > articles, but if this is the case would it even be possible for us to > join > > t

Re: [arch-general] Patent protection

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Armando M. Baratti < ambaratti.lis...@gmail.com> wrote: > What you may not know is that, as Novell was part of OIN (Open Invention > Network), those that join OIN *before* the closing date for the acquisition > (about january 23) will be protected from any harassmen

Re: [arch-general] Changing subject line - Was: Python 3 Rationale?

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > Top posting vs. going off topic without changing subject lines. I'm not > sure which is worse... > Bottom posting in Gmail is a pain in the ass. --Kaiting. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/

Re: [arch-general] MIT Kerberos?

> > Does the current samba (3.x) even build with MIT kerberos? I am fairly > definite that samba4 does not... > I believe Samba 3 does but Samba 4 does not. Apparently Samba 4 includes OpenLDAP and Heimdal internally. Which is kind of stupid when you consider that people are running FedoraDS, Apa

[arch-general] MIT Kerberos?

Does anyone know if MIT kerberos is a drop-in replacement for Heimdal? It seems more actively developed and more featureful than Heimdal these days. I'm pretty sure cryptographic export as munitions is no longer an issue for the US. Perhaps it would even make sense to try to transition to MIT? --Ka

Re: [arch-general] Replace dcron once again?

> > I'd like to go with fcron because it seems to work very well for most > people, has a lot of features while having a small dependency tree. > I think fcron is kind of heavy for most users. I'd rather we switch to cronie, which is the descendent of vixie-cron. It's developed by RedHat, well mai

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

You know what you could do is something like rm /usr/bin/python echo > /usr/bin/python << HERE #! /bin/bash [ -z "$_PYTHON" ] && _PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2 $_PYTHON "$@" HERE chmod 755 /usr/bin/python if the transition is bothering you too much. Then when things calm down a little you just delete

Re: [arch-general] Policy concerning /usr/libexec

Fair enough thank you. Kaiting. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 21/05/10 13:29, Kaiting Chen wrote: > >> Hi I was wondering why the policy was to not use /usr/libexec and move >> what >> should go there to /usr/lib/. While it isn't seri

[arch-general] Policy concerning /usr/libexec

Hi I was wondering why the policy was to not use /usr/libexec and move what should go there to /usr/lib/. While it isn't serious it seems to me that this deviation from the default behavior is unnecessary. One scenario I can think of where this might cause a problem is if a very security conscious

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

I see I've never heard of ifplugd but it looks like the best solution. What I was referring to was that /etc/rc.d/network restart is preferable to ifconfig in that it will start up dhcpcd for you. Kaiting. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, wrote: > Hi > > > Um should he just /etc/rc.d/network r

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

Um should he just /etc/rc.d/network restart? That performs everything that happens when the network interface is brought up on system start. Kaiting. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM, wrote: > On 2010-05-18 20:45, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > >> Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wire

Re: [arch-general] PKGBUILD parser

Interesting I didn't realize that. But then it's not really a 'regular' expression then. They should call it a 'limited-context-free' expression... Kaiting. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:21 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Pierre Chapuis > wrote: > > > > "Andre "Osku

Re: [arch-general] PKGBUILD parser

Just to let you know dude, you can't parse that with a regular expression. A regular expression is modeled / parsed by a finite automaton = a state machine with a finite number of states. Braces allow nesting which creates a source with potentially an infinite number of states consider, a() { echo

Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?

Hey just want to jump in here and say that I don't think it's a problem in communication. We like Linux and especially Arch because it lets us do what we want, and with power comes responsibility. That responsibility means that one should do a kernel of research before asking for help. In this case

[arch-general] Free Arch Linux Shell Account

Hi, I posted this in the forums a couple weeks ago, just thought that I would copy it here in case anyone was still interested. Hi, I've a couple of Linode's with spare resources so I thought that I would offer some free shell accounts. There are three servers in total each running Arch Linux host