upgrading the pacman version, resulting in some files that could
not be deleted due to not existing, but were not part of the new package
and therefore did not exist afterward either.
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- use git+https:// based sources, since git *can* (and does) figure out
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desired revision. makepkg -sri for git-based source code does indeed
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website and some unverified source told me the key totally got lost but
it's fine. So let's blindly click accept".
It doesn't matter if other distros are okay with that. Arch Linux is not.
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On 10/1/20 3:28 PM, Hauke Fath wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:57:09 -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> From the glibc 2.32 release notes:
>>
>> Deprecated and removed features, and other changes affecting compatibility:
>> [...]
>> * The deprecated arra
have been removed from . They are exported solely as
compatibility symbols to support old binaries. All programs should use
strsignal instead.
https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1ccfc061feee9ce616444ded8e1cd5acf9fa97f
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On 9/24/20 6:09 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 9/24/20 1:55 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> Mirroring a really old copy of the wiki is kind of unethical because
>> they're spreading ancient out of date knowledge pretending to be modern,
>> but I don&#x
n a ":" in it,
e.g. "Special:Random" or "Help:Style" or "ArchWiki:About".)
Mirroring a really old copy of the wiki is kind of unethical because
they're spreading ancient out of date knowledge pretending to be modern,
but I don't see how it's a
t; https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/openpgp-thunderbird-howto-and-faq
>
> Only for private key operations, so not the GPG keyring for public
> keys. [...]
Yes, that is why my message literally said "for your private key material".
My point was that this might be good enough
orts it).
Note that Thunderbird still does support the GPG keyring for your
private key material via a config option.
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allation is broken and you need to tell
pacman that pacman is wrong about your files. By stepping off the beaten
path, you incur the possibility of being wrong and making things a lot
worse.
Do NOT use --overwrite unless you know what you're doing.
DO what the original poster did, and
aults to "sbin" and on Arch must be "bin". This failed to happen;
it's a bug in the package.
Under no circumstances should the filesystem layout be deleted and
replaced by this package as it would break everything...
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/67861 is the cor
On 8/27/20 3:37 PM, Geert Hendrickx wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 15:27:19 -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> On 8/27/20 3:17 PM, Geert Hendrickx wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 14:34:41 -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>>>> Why is it ba
On 8/27/20 3:17 PM, Geert Hendrickx wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 14:34:41 -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> Why is it bad if you have it installed but not running?
>
>
> FS#41834 as an example. Or FS#28819. There is just no good reason to keep
> dragging
.php/User:Allan/Alternatives and then
you could install your own preferred hostname implementation without
conflicts. It would not be unreasonable at that time to make packages
depend on a virtual provides for "hostname".
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On 8/17/20 5:56 PM, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> Couldn't there also be a post install that does a reenable for each netctl
>> profile found in /etc/systemd/system as another option to avoid this SNAFU?
>
> That might have been an interesting precautionary measure for netc
age advising people to reenable the
service.
I'm not sure it makes sense to do that automatically, since disabling a
profile removes customizations and the netctl manpage explicitly warns
you to be careful about doing so.
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it entirely, and fold it
into "systemd". It's required by "base" anyway, lol.
I don't believe the intention is to provide runtime generation of
systemd units, and I think the pkgdesc is misleadingly simple in that
regard.
...
Anyway, if you want to have dialogue about whether
On 8/16/20 3:24 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
> On 2020-08-16 3:20 pm, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> Reread the Arch commit. It wasn't removed.
>>
>> Arch used to move the symlink from the "systemd" package to the
>> "systemd-sysvcompat&q
ckage. As
Andreas Bosch pointed out, the upstream install layout no longer
includes these, and thus, arch doesn't move them into another package.
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On 8/10/20 11:25 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 8/10/20 10:10 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> After that many errors, why did you try rebooting without fixing things
>> first? The obvious first step is to try rerunning all of those hooks
>> using a modern pacma
; Aug 10 17:13:20 seidr systemd[500]: kde-systemd-start-condition not found: No
> such file or directory
> Aug 10 17:13:20 seidr systemd[495]: Queued start job for default target Main
> User Target.
> Aug 10 17:13:20 seidr systemd[495]: Reached target Paths.
> Aug 10 17:13:20 seidr systemd[495]: Reached target Timers.
>
> But tty1 is still hung -- no display manager is loaded and I'm stuck on
> tty2. I'm not sure what is stuck or what to kill to try and fix it. Before the
> update sddm was fine and I loaded fluxbox to do the update rather than doing
> it from within KDE. What do I check to try and bring the system back to a
> working state? What to check?
>
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ython package with an
elaborate hack to make "sudo pip install" be officially supported and
not touch dpkg-managed files.
I'm not positive what guidance to give you beyond "I don't think this
violates the packaging guidelines in the slightest, so have no fear on
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rovide the library in /usr/bin, but a usable
workaround would be to symlink the binary in /usr/bin but install it in
/opt/transcribe/. Check to see if it correctly picks up the right
location, though. ;) You might need to create a wrapper script instead,
which invokes it without a symlink.
Yo
chive that builds two
things in one "./configure && make && make install", it per default
makes sense to ship them together. Saving the vast majority of users
100+ MiB of things they don't need is sufficient grounds to split them out.
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ight to that opinion. However, if you intend to convince
anyone *else* that this is indeed the case, you will need to do more
than merely state your point of view. Specifically, you will need to
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e. The arguments you're using
aren't arguments which arch typically values.
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eply
> etiquette)
Generally people tend to delete the sections they are not replying to,
but reply inline, rather than including everytyhing the bottom as a
second copy of the sections you quoted and replied to inline. Still,
replying inline is the main thing, and you did that. :)
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ble to provide them all in
the glibc package itself. (e.g. try uncommenting all 487 locales in
/etc/locale.gen and it is a 500MB locale-archive, "only" 100MB if you
stick to UTF-8 locales)
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t even get the benefits of bash, and never
> have, if you used /bin/sh as your shebang.
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On 6/18/20 6:06 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 18/06/2020 18.22, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>>> And nearly everybody who has to write this quickly will do it wrong.
>>
>> And yet, some do not. Some write elegant, simple POSIX sh scripts which
>> do it ri
On 6/18/20 6:00 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote:
> On 18/06/2020 06.33, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> You pulled this assertion out of thin air, do you have any proof that it
>> "breaks more than a decade of setups"?
>
> OP is the one making an assertion, so
ng.
And yet, some do not. Some write elegant, simple POSIX sh scripts which
do it right. For example, people often forget that pipelines and
functions are an option, and sometimes a much faster and better option
than global state variables.
And most people who are writing /bin/bash scripts are *also*
nfigured Oxygen selection. Does
anything else actually hardcode this? This dependency IMO should have
been a post_upgrade message or a noto-fonts replaces=() or something.
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ve fontconfig configuration) for many websites, and looks
> quite bad *for me* (on a 14" FHD display).
> It's also a 90MB package I don't need.
Hmm, I wonder why it is a hard dependency instead of being used via
ttf-font?
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o keep
> or to truncate.
Among other things, it serves as a handy way to tell when you first
installed the system. :)
I have so many better places to save 5mb of disk space, this doesn't
even register in the top 400.
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sheer numbers, as well as most non-Linux
forms of Unix.
It's actually in practice very unlikely that this will break anyone's setup.
Also if you really think Arch Linux is afraid to break people's setups,
I suggest you reread https://www.archlinux.org/news/python-is-now-python-3/
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So any script assuming /bin/sh is bash, is broken on lots of systems.
...
This is not actually a problem, I've used dash as my /bin/sh for years
and haven't once encountered a broken script.
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s in doing this
>
> Pretty much this, to be honest. I don't really see the point of
> changing everyone's /bin/sh for one person's personal preference when
> there isn't really any point in doing so to begin with.
Completely free, no cost speed improvements have
and it worked
> flawlessly.
It would be extremely safe because it wouldn't do anything, not even
what the original poster wanted. It's completely unrelated to anything
whatsoever.
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again. Could
>> dash be made the default shell in Arch?
>
>
> Couldn't you just set it as the default for your user using chsh?
This isn't about using it as a login shell. Describing this as "my
default shell" is a very bad description.
This is actually about sett
ools/wesnoth/wmltools3.py
usr/share/wesnoth/data/tools/wmlunits
usr/share/wesnoth/data/tools/wmllint-1.4
usr/share/wesnoth/data/tools/wmlscope
usr/share/wesnoth/data/tools/wmlxgettext
usr/share/wesnoth/data/tools/wmllint
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lling pacman is an adequate recovery method, though
as the disaster manifested by wiping pacman from your system, you'll
need to extract the *.pkg.tar.zst using bsdtar, or use the static
recovery binaries listed here:
https://www.archlinux.org/news/now-using-zstandard-instead-of-xz-for-packag
he naming conventions of those
> packages to use one common scheme that's easy to remember instead of
> having multiple coexisting ones?
These are the upstream names of the relevant projects. So the "why" of
things is not hard to understand.
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dreaded "like"/"upvoting" methodology of community
interaction. Need I say more?)
Problem solved. Let's dance to celebrate.
^('-')^ ^('-')^ v('-')v v('-')v <('-'<) (>'-')> <('-'<) (>'-')> B A
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ory. And those didn't cause the standard type of user
accounts to stop working, now did they?
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it with the repo package on every singe pacman -Syu.
Fragmentation is fun.
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On 3/31/20 1:31 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
> Em março 31, 2020 14:03 Eli Schwartz via arch-general escreveu:
>>
>> See the broadcom-wl PKGBUILD for how to avoid this. Also note the
>> wireguard-{arch,lts} packages have adopted this method.
>>
>> It's up t
s up to Sven-Hendrik Haase if he wants to do this, though.
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kernel crashes!
Note that backporting an upstream fix is not considered "patching
upstream code". In that case, it will just depend on how problematic the
issue is and whether it justifies the effort of a backport.
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forum user whose python/pygtk based plugin no longer worked -- and
in demonstrating how that solution could be achieved in the general case.
The person who uploaded it was not interested in providing long-term
maintenance of that AUR package, therefore, it was immediately orphaned.
Seems pretty clear-cut t
http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-support/2020-March/053535.html
Please have patience and wait for an answer from the LFS community,
rather than asking LFS questions to the Arch Linux community.
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On 3/8/20 12:29 AM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>
> On 3/7/20 11:21 PM, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>> On 3/7/20 11:53 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>>>> Thanks for your reply. If I put this in a bash script, will it reset once
>>>> the script is done running?
>&g
environment
of the *parent process*, only the script itself, and child processes
started by the script.
Have I completely misunderstood the question?
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reaks the default python.
Although, if you're just interested in running additional python
versions other than the /usr/bin/python3.8 binary currently provided by
Arch, then... you really should not be overriding the "python" binary at
all. Just install a python3.7 program or whateve
default python.
You should only be using venvs when manually activated for a given
project, limited to the shell in which you are using the project.
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ike the new version was added to community-testing, then
withdrawn. Any future updates to it *should* increment the pkgrel once
again, so no downgrades ever happen.
As for why they were withdrawn to begin with, this has some context:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/65683
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es in /lib/modules/.../*.ko) then you
can get away with recompiling the plugin completely. This rule likewise
applies universally to any software that makes use of loadable plugins.
block/blk-core.o is not just for loadable modules though...
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On 2/26/20 9:08 PM, Simon Brand wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:57:30 -0500
> Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote:
>
>> This, however, is not. Why do you think that Bruno is "not active
>> anymore"? Why do you think that asking someone else to take over his
>>
nd multiple people
are working on a solution.
In no way is Bruno Pagani (@Archange) "not active anymore".
Please have patience. :)
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ot;spyware".
>
> Those who treat geolocation as critical feature may choose different
> browser but forcing everyone out of they beloved one for this
> particular reason seems like overreaction to me.
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> G. K.
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ends
>
> or
>
> paccheck --opt-depends PACKAGE_NAME
>
> seems to provide the same output as
>
> paccheck --opt-depends --quiet --recursive
Check again.
$ paccheck --opt-depends bash
bash: all optional dependencies satisfied
$
$ paccheck --opt-depends --quiet bash
*webkit2gtk* is missing its
optional dependencies on gst-plugins-good gst-plugins-bad.
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On 2/4/20 11:08 PM, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> Since I'm unfamiliar with apt and other tools, what exactly do they do?
> Given pacman/apt/your-choice-of-package-manager must somehow write to a
> cachedir, e.g. /var/cache/pacman/pkg, it would need a dedicated download
> user,
man is one big binary at the moment, it doesn't fork+exec to run
collections of binaries implementing different parts of the package
manager (which is actually a plus when it comes to speed), so this might
entail major re-architecturing of that part of pacman. Doing it for
external XferCommand
of 74 different authorized individuals.
Hopefully there will be wonderful news soon. In the meantime, I for one
make sure that my personal repository hosted on https://pkgbuild.com
includes database signatures.
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Oooh, that's actually a really interesting idea. I bet we could make
this just consume a foo-debug package, then we could just modify
devtools to add OPTIONS+=('debug') in makepkg.conf, and have commitpkg
upload the debug package separately to the symbol server.
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rovement; but I would like
> to know why are more packages built with included debugging symbols.
> Do you think that, eg., all packages in "core" being built with
> debugging symbols would be OK? Maybe it would be OK if just function
> names were included, without source file
's symbol server can also be used with a trivial gdb script to
let gdb download the debug info on-demand, if you're debugging firefox.)
The Arch maintainer for firefox actually does exactly this -- our
firefox package is stripped, but the symbols are uploaded to Mozilla
right after makepkg completes.
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ides are in use, compare to the
third package: "bumblebee (requires mesa-libgl)" or further down, see
"abuse (requires mesa-libgl) (make)"
So it seems nothing depends on *-dri, not even for make/check depends.
There's even only one AUR package which uses one of them:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xf86-video-opentegra-git/
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at all, I'm just curious about
> information related to POSIX vs Linux, IOW I'm interested in learning
> by reading, but it's a broken thread.
>
> Could you please provide a pointer to the start of this thread?
The thread started on arch-dev-public; replies on arch-gene
to actually package it! So I need to decide if I'm
interested in the effort that would take, for an XSI option.
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Which may lead to accidental cases of:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
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s worth of "[repository] is already up to date", which would be a
definite red flag that something is wrong. Now that you used -Syyuu, we
have no idea whether your pacman installation refreshed the databases
because the server said they needed to be refreshed or because you told
pacman to
this case, it would seem that resolving the pacnew file is required
in order to start the updated bind package. :)
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e no in \
> upgrade) ensurepip="--upgrade" ;; \
> install|*) ensurepip="" ;; \
> esac; \
> ./python -E -m ensurepip \
> $ensurepip --root=/ ; \
> fi
> ==
These log lines are useless, your problem has nothing to do with running
ensurepip.
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abuse npmjs.org to install
nom modules that contain no JavaScript, but do contain a bash script. Because
downloading bash scripts into $HOME/bin/ is hard, but npm install mycoolscript
is "easy".
tl;dr
Wherever you saw the advice to pip install cmake was probably misinformed. This
does not provide python bindings to cmake.
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crypto.
coreutils also depends on openssl.
In the unlikely event that openssl was removed from the set of packages
installed in a base installation (which would be an event of note for
linux distributions in general), the ecryptfs-utils PKGBUILD would only
need to explicitly depend on openssl.
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d.com forums) for more info...
Bug reports for python3 regressions will be greatly appreciated, as
there are probably a lot of fun edge cases and I'd like to see this
finished sooner rather than later. ;)
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lso experiment with Gentoo, by
configuring the necessary USE flags to disable any features you do not need.
I hope this helps. :)
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nitcpio plugins for since
September 2013.
It would be wonderful if Arch Linux would, in the spirit of user choice
to which we aspire, provide guidance on opting into the use of a
technology that a significant percentage of our active community says
they would like to use.
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tively, you can use grub to boot an ISO *file* as a loopback
device. Some people do this to create multiboot USBs.
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s surprisingly surprising".
So I *inverted the question*. (I acknowledge I may have gotten a bit
exaggerated in the process... I apologize. OTOH, I didn't quite intend
my statements about kernel-install 100% seriously.)
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[0] Putting somethin
for quite some time it seems that the individual
in question was on... parental leave, IIRC? I'm not sure what the
current status is.
So the jury is still out on whether dracut or mkinitcpio is more work. ;)
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act quite
*that* shocked that no one drank the Fedora kool-aid.
*steps off soapbox*
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separately and specially, you should have no problem
installing or updating any other package, in this case 'base'.
Also note that 'base' does not depend on 'linux'.
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e as a reactive measure due to the lack of clarity with the former
base group feels odd when people are working behind the scenes to try to
figure out what a proper solution in the right place should look like.
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does updated wiki documentation become a giant list of
"here's the things 99.% of people need but you'll have to install
separately after reading some caveat and if you don't, then you will not
even be able to type in 'man' to figure out your mistakes while offline"?
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o let me revise my question: who
is joe, why do I care who he is, and what does his personal editor do
for me? For that matter, if it carefully described as his own editor, am
I allowed to use it? Alternatively, is it designed to be used by other
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te a "minimal" group, and any group of recommendations would need to
be named something like, oh, "base-extras". So, once again, you would
not be able to `pacstrap /mnt base`. Some changes were always inevitable.
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So
we've taken a step forward and a step back, and mostly weren't ready for
it either way.
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bcryptsetup.so and therefore also having a depends+=('cryptsetup')
I do not need mdadm or lvm2, because I don't use RAID or lvm, so why do
you think my system is unusable without it? Note: in practice, both are
required by libblockdev, which means if you use udisks2 you have both
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on't see why you think archlinux should be opinionated and
modify upstream service files. I hear your argument that the package
should have a post_upgrade message.
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watch.timer
I guess it's entirely possible that users were logging without using mail at
all. There are guides for generically forwarding systemd logs via email, though.
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ory/pacutils/issues/32 is a thing. :)
The --mode option has some issues. Perhaps try asking for a status
update there?
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does not have an option to do this. You could try
submitting a feature request for it. :)
You can extract everything between the '' though, which I think should
handle any filenames since packaged filenames can contain spaces or
single quotes but not newlines, and the paccheck output doe
a bit of manual
work yourself, or reinstall the package.
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