Re: [arch-general] systemd, running scripts after suspend/hibernate

2012-10-02 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Heiko Baums > wrote: > >> The way I read it is that the sort of problems you would typically > >> workaround with suspend hooks are best solved somewhere else, probably > >> in the kernel driver. > > [...] > >

Re: [arch-general] gnome-shell performance problems

2012-08-31 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Pico Geyer wrote:> > > I thought nouveau-dri was mainly for opengl type acceleration. > > Is there something I can go read to clear this up? > > GNOME Shell uses OpenGL. > Yep, what was probably happening is

Re: [arch-general] Is Nouveau 2D or 3D acceleration driver for nVidia cards?

2012-08-28 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Kelvin wrote: > The description of package xf86-video-nouveau ( > http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-nouveau) is > "Open > Source 2D acceleration driver for nVidia cards", but Arch Wiki( > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau) says

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

2012-08-28 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 08/28/2012 02:43 PM, Jameson wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Neil Perry wrote: > >> It seems to be SNA causing the problem. I have swapped over to UXA for > the > >> time being, been stable for the like 3 hours. > > > > Ye

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-25 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia < archli...@ishpeck.net> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:34:28AM -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote: > > > Can we then agree then that you don't *know* if systemd is stable > >

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-23 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyway we are talking about 2 seconds... > > We are talking about a difference of 100%. > > -- > Felipe Contreras > You are being pedantic. A 2 second difference is negligible, and certainly not the huge iss

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-22 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase > wrote: > > On 22.08.2012 02:48, Felipe Contreras wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 22.08.20

Re: [arch-general] time zone problem with systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Shridhar Daithankar < ghodech...@ghodechhap.net> wrote: > Hello, > > I am having trouble with time on a machine when I boot with systemd. The > clock > is ahead of actual time by the value of time zone offset. > > Funny thing is when I boot with initscripts, time

Re: [arch-general] time zone problem with systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Shridhar Daithankar < ghodech...@ghodechhap.net> wrote: > Hello, > > I am having trouble with time on a machine when I boot with systemd. The > clock > is ahead of actual time by the value of time zone offset. > > Funny thing is when I boot with initscripts, time

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-16 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate > wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200 > > Felipe Contreras wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto > >> wrote: > >> >

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-16 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > > > A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it. > Its > > best to do it soon and get the tee

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-16 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman > wrote: > > On 16 August 2012 01:21, Felipe Contreras > wrote: > >> So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait? > >> What's wrong with

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-15 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:12:58AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > > > On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > > > >> It is a new 'upstream' that we can

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-15 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Rémy Oudompheng > wrote: > > On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler > wrote: > >>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Con

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and > this worries me for several reasons. > > I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and > the boot was *muc

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions"

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Timothy Rice wrote: > > As a rolling release, Arch is usually the leader of adopt new technology. > > But now, Arch is falling behind Debian now. So sad. > > Arch Linux is also about simplicity. For me, this is more important > than the rolling-releaseness and blee

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote: > David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]: > > What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has > > been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I > > think it is possible to like one and not the other. >

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Geoff wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300 > Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > > > You should check arch-dev-public :) > > > > It's a funny thread > > > > > https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html > > Mostly I just re

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 12:20, Brandon Watkins wrote: > >> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against > >> upstart or OpenRC > >> > > Comparison of systemd features vs

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against > upstart or OpenRC > Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from lennart's site... http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault > wrote: > > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful > administrative > > features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been > around in > > our repositori

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes > > > about Lennart Poetterin

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Paul Dann wrote: > > Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to > go through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd > say that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and > Windows so slow

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa >> wrote: >> >> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: >>>

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > > I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is > hard irrespectively of what you're switching to. > Because the devs made systemd being able to use rc.

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > My point is the constant bloat with software today. Theses bloated > packages will not fit/function on hand held devices. > You were quite specific with your point here, and I disagree.

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:24 AM, fredbezies wrote: > 2012/8/11 Andreas Radke : > > I've updated the PKGBUILD.36 files for libreoffice and libreoffice-i18n > > in svn trunk. > > > > Every user should now be able to build the new version. > > > > -Andy > > Thanks. I've tweaked them yesterday, and s

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
I think people are really exaggerating how "bloated" systemd is. I fail to see how systemd would have issues running on mobile devices, if anything its more optimized for embedded devices.

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-11 Thread Brandon Watkins
I'm afraid its going to happen unless you know of a way to make gmail stop top-posting :p On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > > Yeah, it does work. I had a read a few posts earlier saying that > s

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread Brandon Watkins
n Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:29 PM, fredbezies wrote: > 2012/8/10 fredbezies : > > 2012/8/10 Brandon Watkins : > >> Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait > >> until the point release. > > > > Well, if you don't wipe previo

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Brandon Watkins
Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the author is comparing apples to oranges. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:33 +0200 > schrieb Tom Gundersen : > > >

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread Brandon Watkins
Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait until the point release. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Andreas Radke wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 > schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > > > On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I know, arc