On 09/27/2012 11:34 AM, Tobias Frilling wrote:
The -discussion mailing list could serve as an outlet for this need,
rendering the other list more productive via being moderated; The rule
wouldn't be "shut up or be banned", which shouldn't really be
necessary for rational folks like us, but "shu
Very eloquently put brethren "+1"
On Sep 27, 2012 9:33 PM, "Martín Cigorraga" wrote:
> While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also
> agree with all the following emails.
> Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about
> http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, than
"G. Schlisio" wrote:
>>> -remove initscripts from the repos
>>> -no more developement in git and on arch-project ML
>> I don't see the benefit of doing that quickly, but if that's what you
>> guys want, it is fine with me. I would be in favor of initscripts
>> dying a natural death.
>>
>
>some pe
-remove initscripts from the repos
-no more developement in git and on arch-project ML
I don't see the benefit of doing that quickly, but if that's what you
guys want, it is fine with me. I would be in favor of initscripts
dying a natural death.
some people are stuck with initscripts for a whi
One thing I like about the current arch install methodology is that it's
incremental. If you don't have time to finish the install in one sitting
all you need do is remember which step last completed then start up the
computer and carry on from there at some later time. Since alternatives
exi
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 09:23:04PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:24:21PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote:
>
> > There seems to be quite a lot of fuss about the installer - however I
> > have installed arch on a laptop two days ago that was running a
> > non-arch distro until
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> A question about this: apart from changes such as those required
> to accomodate systemd or the /lib to /usr/lib migration, _what_ is
> actually involved in the day-to-day maintenance of initscripts ?
> In other words, what sort of events
On 09/27/2012 11:23 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Having done a few installs with the new system I can confirm this, and
I must say do like it and prefer it over the previous 'automatic'
installer. It's much more open and you know exactly what's happening.
It may scare off some novices, but otoh i
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:24:21PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote:
> There seems to be quite a lot of fuss about the installer - however I
> have installed arch on a laptop two days ago that was running a
> non-arch distro until then - I have to say that once I had done the
> necessary reading so that
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:32:08PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote:
> We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who:
> [1 ... 6]
A as user I can subscribe to this 100%, also to your conclusions.
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 03:48:06PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> I intend to maintain initscripts in the official repos as long as this
> makes sense. However, for this to be viable, I think we would need at
> least one capable and active initscripts developer who is interested
> in helping out a
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:54:21 +0530, mike cloaked
wrote:
...
So all in all this seems to me very much in the spirit of "The Arch
Way" and was not too much of a learning curve. Yes for someone
inexperienced in using linux this would take a whole lot longer.
However I believe that it was useful
> My laptop will automatically shut down when it overheats (it's a good
> way of telling me that I just blocked the air vent), so I'm guessing
> that's what you're seeing. Don't test it too much if you're on a
> Macbook, I hear they can melt when overheating with a closed lid!
>
> - Bryan
>
>
Oh,
@mike +1, you described an Arch install as it's actually is, well done!
While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also
agree with all the following emails.
Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about
http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that.
I only want to add an observation to what was already said:
Tipically all this fl
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Martín Cigorraga wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Bigby James wrote:
>
>> Please, please /please/ don't recommend spin-offs as "Arch Lite" or "Arch
>> Made Easy" or anything like that. Neither Manjaro nor Chakra are closely
>> related to Arch, and giving
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Martín Cigorraga wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, 大熊 wrote:
>
>> I have a fresh installed laptop, DE is lxde. It is a clean system, no more
>> tweak.
>>
>> Recently I found a strange problem: after I close the lid about 5 minutes,
>> laptop will shutdown
hi guys, I'm sorry for necrobumping this thread but I have an idea that may
work for Michael to debug his issue:
Michael: how do you suspend your system? If you use pm-utils please do a
man to learn about the special settings pm-utils provide to deal with some
of the glitches you may found while de
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, 大熊 wrote:
> I have a fresh installed laptop, DE is lxde. It is a clean system, no more
> tweak.
>
> Recently I found a strange problem: after I close the lid about 5 minutes,
> laptop will shutdown itself!
>
> I donot remeber I have do some setting about power ma
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Bigby James wrote:
> Please, please /please/ don't recommend spin-offs as "Arch Lite" or "Arch
> Made Easy" or anything like that. Neither Manjaro nor Chakra are closely
> related to Arch, and giving folks the impression that they are just leads
> them to ask for
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100
> mike cloaked wrote:
>
>> For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there
>
> Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet?
You can subscribe to threads and
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On 09/27/2012 09:44 PM, Øyvind Heggstad wrote:
> I can only see two things that can really help slow down/stop/revert the
> spiral:
>
> 1) Moderation. Get rid of the serial trollers/flamers
> 2) Get more devs and "good" people to join and be active.
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100
mike cloaked wrote:
> For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there
Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet?
--
Joakim
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:13:00 +0200
"Ralf Mardorf" wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:02:15 +0200, Jameson
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
> > wrote:
> >> Model: "ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]"
> >
> > The X1200 series is no longer supported by current Catalyst driver
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:19:31 +0200
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> On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote:
> > And we are back...
>
> Sir, you've got some yarbles.
> IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too,
> well, general.
couraged as you might have
out-of-date dependencies).
What I do is to create an initscripts-git package and install that
instead (obviously this is a lot more bleeding edge than [testing]):
$ git clone git://projects.archlinux.org/initscripts.git
$ cd initscripts
$ makepkg
$ pacman -U initscripts
Hi Tom,
I had no time to read the complete mail, I'll do it ASAP.
Is it possible to configure pacman to upgrade initscripts and related
packages only from testing, but no other packages?
Regards,
Ralf
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Karol Blazewicz
wrote:
>
> As it was mentioned a couple times on the list, the forums have
> moderators. If you don't behave, you get banned, threads get closed
> etc.
OK - it seems to work - when I get frustrated with the mailling list I
go to the forums instead
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there
> seems to be more helpful comments and less trolling than in the
> general list - just an observation - maybe that is because the forums
> are split into a number of topic spec
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote:
>
>> IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well,
>> general.
>
> The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter
> threads. Users are correct to think
> However, I try to get rid of the NVIDIA card. I will remove it and check
> if Linux nowadays is able to enable 3D support for the on-board ATI
> Radeon X1250-based graphics.
Just thought I'd give a heads up that a major overhaul of nouveau
apparently including knowledge gained from the last few
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On 09/27/2012 04:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> Instead of fragmenting more the mailing lists with the hope of putting
> poor contributions out of place for advanced users, let enter the
> technical oriented users into the dev mailing list.
I don't t
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote:
>
> The problem is not at the general mailing list but at the dev mailing
> list side.
archlinux-dev is for contributors and as long somebody is just a user
he should have read-only access. Unless we h
The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote:
> IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well,
> general.
The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter
threads. Users are correct to think such discussion should happen here.
The problem is that maintainers
Hi guys,
As the move to systemd is under way, and we will soon have packages in
our repos that require your system to be booted with systemd, I
thought this would be a good time to summarize the state of
sysvinit/initscripts in Arch and their future.
Abstract: I think the current state is relativ
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:02:15 +0200, Jameson wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Model: "ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]"
The X1200 series is no longer supported by current Catalyst drivers.
You will need to use a legacy driver, or the open source driver.
OK, so I
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> Model: "ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]"
The X1200 series is no longer supported by current Catalyst drivers.
You will need to use a legacy driver, or the open source driver.
=-Jameson
Hi :)
the fglrx driver doesn't work. Perhaps I missed a typo or some settings
are bad or are missing. IIUC RS690 is supported by the current driver.
I added the output of
# grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
# hwinfo --gfxcard
# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
the versions of catalyst-hook, catalyst-utils and
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Full ack, although I have the feeling that critical discussion is
something what (at least some) devs/admins want to avoid within the
community.
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tobias Frilling
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> On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote:
>> And we are back...
>
> Sir, you've got some yarbles.
> IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well,
> general.
> Wh
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On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote:
> And we are back...
Sir, you've got some yarbles.
IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general.
What about if we would split this list up into a list for technical questions
On 26/09/12 21:35, Allan McRae wrote:
> I am invoking the easy way to end flamewars...
>
> This mailing list will be shut down for the next 24 hours. Any messages
> sent to the list will go to /dev/null.
>
> Once the list is reinstated, I will automatically ban any person who
> sends an email th
Thanks everyone for the illuminating responses. IgnorePackage and
IgnoreGroup seem to be what I need, after all.
Cheers,
Manolo
On 09/26/12 at 09:10am, gt wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 02:09:59PM -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've just had a minor hiccup, because one of th
On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 04:32 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I tried that delivery agent and authgen library failed to install and
> later I couldn't get it started. Fortunately procmail posed no similar
> problems on installation. Is courier-maildrop not supported for amd64 k8
> athelon machines
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