Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-23 Thread Norbert Zeh
Felipe Contreras [2012.08.23 2214 +0200]: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > > Felipe--if I may address you by your first name--in case you're > > confused about why no one will listen to your arguments, let me > > try to explain; it may reduce your frustration. You made the

Re: [arch-general] systemd native files in etc

2012-08-23 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Could default templates be provided in the post_install(){} hook for the systemd package? Something like post_install() { if [ ! -e /etc/timezone ] ; then cat > /etc/timezone < /etc/hostname fi } That way, on upgrade, they would not be overwritten, but on install you would at least have working

Re: [arch-general] systemd native files in etc

2012-08-23 Thread Qadri
>> if arch would provide you with defaults every time the defaults get >> updated >> you would get *.pacnew files in your etc. since those files are depending >> on >> your system and are user choice it would not be good to provide those. >> >> By that logic, wouldn't I also not get an rc.conf file

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-23 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/23 Stephen E. Baker : > On 23/08/2012 4:14 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > [snip] >> >> Is systemd ready? Where is the evidence? > > > https://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics shows that about 14% of > arch users who are using pkgstat have systemd installed. It is not default > and no

Re: [arch-general] systemd native files in etc

2012-08-23 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 23/08/2012 4:41 PM, Ike Devolder wrote: Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:14:26 schreef Qadri: Hi all, Given all the hullabaloo about systemd I thought I'd try it out. I went to the wiki and saw that it has listed several "native systemd configuration files" that it looks for, and if they're

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-23 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 23/08/2012 4:14 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: [snip] Is systemd ready? Where is the evidence? https://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics shows that about 14% of arch users who are using pkgstat have systemd installed. It is not default and not depended on by anything, so that means a

Re: [arch-general] systemd native files in etc

2012-08-23 Thread Ike Devolder
Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:14:26 schreef Qadri: > Hi all, > > Given all the hullabaloo about systemd I thought I'd try it out. I went to > the wiki and saw that it has listed several "native systemd configuration > files" that it looks for, and if they're absent, it takes info from > rc.conf

Re: [arch-general] simple trick to make dealing with python 2/3 scripts easier

2012-08-23 Thread Ben Booth
Ben Booth wrote: > In case anyone's still interested in this, I found a pacman.conf option > called NoExtract, which lets you tell pacman not to overwrite certain > files and directories in the filesystem. So you could add the following > line to /etc/pacman.conf: > > NoExtract = /usr/bin/python

Re: [arch-general] simple trick to make dealing with python 2/3 scripts easier

2012-08-23 Thread Ben Booth
In case anyone's still interested in this, I found a pacman.conf option called NoExtract, which lets you tell pacman not to overwrite certain files and directories in the filesystem. So you could add the following line to /etc/pacman.conf: NoExtract = /usr/bin/python which would prevent pacman

[arch-general] systemd native files in etc

2012-08-23 Thread Qadri
Hi all, Given all the hullabaloo about systemd I thought I'd try it out. I went to the wiki and saw that it has listed several "native systemd configuration files" that it looks for, and if they're absent, it takes info from rc.conf. It's "strongly advised" (by the wiki) to use the native files.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-23 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > Felipe--if I may address you by your first name--in case you're > confused about why no one will listen to your arguments, let me > try to explain; it may reduce your frustration. You made the > following two statements without any evidence o

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-23 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyway we are talking about 2 seconds... > > We are talking about a difference of 100%. > > -- > Felipe Contreras > You are being pedantic. A 2 second difference is negligible, and certainly not the huge iss

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-23 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Sebastian Günther wrote: > * Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]: >> Funny that you say "around the same time", when it's clearly less than >> 6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm. >> The first instance st

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-23 Thread Bjoern Franke
> > I don't think we will block the move to core on an isolated hardware > crash that affects only a single user. Sure. > Still, can you give us the link to the kernel bugzilla report for this > crash? > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46381 -- xmpp: b...@schafweide.org bjo.no

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 23.08.2012 18:29, schrieb Geert Hendrickx: > Since upgrading to 3.5.x, my system with mdraid mirror boots with either > a degraded RAID array, or not auto-discovering the RAID at all. > > The disks are fine, confirmed by both SMART selftest and badblocks scan. > Downgraded back to 3.4.9 and the

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-23 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 16:10:26 +0200, Tobias Powalowski wrote: > Hi guys, > > 3.5.x is not yet ready to move to [core], > - ext4 regression is not fixed yet, will be fixed in 3.5.3 > - watchdogs are completely broken > I'm not sure how much of a showstopper the watchdogs are, so please > sho

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 23.08.2012 18:10, schrieb Bjoern Franke: > Am Donnerstag, den 23.08.2012, 16:10 +0200 schrieb Tobias Powalowski: >> Hi guys, >> >> 3.5.x is not yet ready to move to [core], >> - ext4 regression is not fixed yet, will be fixed in 3.5.3 >> - watchdogs are completely broken >> I'm not sure how mu

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-23 Thread Bjoern Franke
Am Donnerstag, den 23.08.2012, 16:10 +0200 schrieb Tobias Powalowski: > Hi guys, > > 3.5.x is not yet ready to move to [core], > - ext4 regression is not fixed yet, will be fixed in 3.5.3 > - watchdogs are completely broken > I'm not sure how much of a showstopper the watchdogs are, so please >

[arch-general] DMX USB support in AUR

2012-08-23 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Hi everyone, I created a package for the Enttec Open DMX USB driver. It is available in the AUR under the name dmx_usb-git. >From Wikipedia: DMX512 is a standard for digital communication networks that are commonly used to control stage lighting and effects. It was originally intended as a standa

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-23 Thread Jakob Herrmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 \begin{quote} While the main approach of Arch is to use vanilla software, as possible; Arch devs have to follow upstream decisions and at some point Arch and other distros fall into software those hide things from end users. I think most of the main up

[arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-23 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Hi guys, 3.5.x is not yet ready to move to [core], - ext4 regression is not fixed yet, will be fixed in 3.5.3 - watchdogs are completely broken I'm not sure how much of a showstopper the watchdogs are, so please shout out if this is a real problem. If you have any other showstopper please let

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-23 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> trying to be corporate software. I've been wondering what the best term for 'corporate' or 'enterprise' software like exchange is where they change your nappies for you but also offer you razor wire to hang yourself with by giving you IE to browse the web on the mail server itself and encouragin

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-23 Thread atilla ontas
I think these discussions will not change the result for Arch. Sooner or later Arch will have to seperate its way from its KISS philosophy. While the main approach of Arch is to use vanilla software, as possible; Arch devs have to follow upstream decisions and at some point Arch and other distros f

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

2012-08-23 Thread Kwpolska
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Sebastian Günther wrote: > * Kwpolska (kwpol...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 10:19]: >> >> Were* and it's not likely. Anyone can happily send you a message like >> that. You just need to POST email=ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net >> login-unsub=Unsubscribe to >> http://mailm

Re: [arch-general] lib -> usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 23.08.2012 05:28, schrieb Jayesh Badwaik: > On Thursday 23 Aug 2012 01:28:58 Thomas Bächler wrote: >> BINARIES="pacman" >> FILES="/etc/pacman.conf /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist" >> >> Then, edit /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset: >> >> Add: >> >> pacman_config="/etc/mkinitcpio-pacman.conf" >> pacman_ima