Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM, jwbirdsong wrote: > On 03/16/2010 10:54 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ty John  wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:08:22 +0530 >>> Nilesh Govindarajan  wrote: >>> >>> > > USB mice have worked without hal for a

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread jwbirdsong
On 03/16/2010 10:54 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ty John wrote: On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:08:22 +0530 Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: USB mice have worked without hal for a long time. It's just hotplugging that won't work. Well, I recently co

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread sand_man
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:24:54 +0530 Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ty John > wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:08:22 +0530 > > Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > > > >> > USB mice have worked without hal for a long time. It's just > >> > hotplugging that won't work. > >

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ty John wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:08:22 +0530 > Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > >> > USB mice have worked without hal for a long time. It's just >> > hotplugging that won't work. >> > >> >> Well, I recently copied /etc/group.pacnew to /etc/group which didn't >

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread sand_man
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:08:22 +0530 Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > > USB mice have worked without hal for a long time. It's just > > hotplugging that won't work. > > > > Well, I recently copied /etc/group.pacnew to /etc/group which didn't > have the hal and gdm groups. > HAL didn't start, and when

Re: [arch-general] Hacking into HAL's mount process

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
So far, after eliminating flush option, I achieved a speed of 3.9 MB/s which was previously 1-2 MB/s. If I could somehow force the async option, I think speed would increase more. Any ideas ? The async option appears true (configured) in hal-device, but doesn't get mounted with that option. --

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Ray Kohler
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > I would love to jump into pacman-dev team. But I don't know C or C++ > whatever pacman is written in. :( :( :( > I can contribute in PHP. You might then want to look into helping out the devs of the AUR webapp, if you care about it. T

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
I would love to jump into pacman-dev team. But I don't know C or C++ whatever pacman is written in. :( :( :( I can contribute in PHP. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Ty John wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:08:42 -0500 > "Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr." wrote: > >> the usb mice don't work without hal, or do they now. They didn't used >> to >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Damjan Georgievski >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know how

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread sand_man
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:08:42 -0500 "Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr." wrote: > the usb mice don't work without hal, or do they now. They didn't used > to > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Damjan Georgievski > wrote: > > > Does anyone know how much of HAL is needed in ArchLinux these days? > > I'm aski

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
the usb mice don't work without hal, or do they now. They didn't used to On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Damjan Georgievski wrote: > Does anyone know how much of HAL is needed in ArchLinux these days? > I'm asking because I've learned that both udev and HAL configure the > keymap of input device

[arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-16 Thread Damjan Georgievski
Does anyone know how much of HAL is needed in ArchLinux these days? I'm asking because I've learned that both udev and HAL configure the keymap of input devices nowdays and I wonder what other former HAL features are already implemented in udev. -- damjan

Re: [arch-general] on rolling release / reinstallation

2010-03-16 Thread Robert Howard
I've done the ill fated -Syu right before a project deadline. Something in the update broke mdraid and my system wouldn't boot until I booted from livecd to redo the -Syu. I think maybe my mirror was syncing when I was updating and my packages were mismatched. Never update when facing a deadline.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Denis Kobozev
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Ananda Samaddar > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team?  I feel > strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm > switching to another distro. Despite the fact that I really like Arch, > it's one deficiency is a pretty gla

Re: [arch-general] Package signing (was: Arch Linux security is still poor)

2010-03-16 Thread Allan McRae
On 17/03/10 10:06, Linas wrote: Do you think this is a good idea? Which solution do you prefer? And most important, what would be needed to reach there? There has been discussions on the pacman-dev mailing list and is even partial implementation for package signing available. You should rese

Re: [arch-general] Package signing (was: Arch Linux security is still poor)

2010-03-16 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 20:06, Linas wrote: > I had already this email draft in my head, but Ananda 'Arch Linux security > is still poor' thread, on which the point was also brought up, moved me to > really write it. There's a bug on the tracker about this, please contribute there. There's no poi

Re: [arch-general] on rolling release / reinstallation

2010-03-16 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 03/16/10 14:12, David Rosenstrauch wrote: On 03/16/2010 01:58 PM, Thayer Williams wrote: Welcome aboard and glad you're getting things sorted out. Once you have used a rolling release distro, everything else just seems silly. Reinstall every six months? No thanks! I enjoyed the 6-month rein

[arch-general] Package signing (was: Arch Linux security is still poor)

2010-03-16 Thread Linas
I had already this email draft in my head, but Ananda 'Arch Linux security is still poor' thread, on which the point was also brought up, moved me to really write it. First off, there's an implicit level of trust on the package software, no matter which OS you use. When using Windows, you trus

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-16 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 15:58 -0300, Guilherme M. Nogueira wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > > > > > 3) "If you were running Arch, you wouldn't be running into so many bugs on > > upgrade ... because you'd never wind up upgrading so many packages all at > > the sa

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-16 Thread Guilherme M. Nogueira
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > > 3) "If you were running Arch, you wouldn't be running into so many bugs on > upgrade ... because you'd never wind up upgrading so many packages all at > the same time." > Except when there's a new KDE release then it's easily 100+

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Jared Casper
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > Is this a feature request in the bug tracker? Please add it if you > want this functionality. That's the only way it will ever happen > It's been there for years: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/11091 I just wanted to point out that the "md

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-16 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 03/16/2010 01:58 PM, Thayer Williams wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: It does look like getting Arch Linux configured the way I need it is going to take a bit more work than I'm used to. But if the "rolling release" part of what I've read about it means I

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-16 Thread Guus Snijders
On 15-03-10 20:01, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Guus Snijders wrote: On 15-03-10 14:07, Jeffrey Parke wrote: [installing XFCE, xorg] [...] Actually, you should /remove/ the '#' from the start of that line... ;) that's exactly what I said, just wanted to

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-16 Thread Thayer Williams
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > It does look like getting Arch Linux configured the way I need it is going > to take a bit more work than I'm used to. But if the "rolling release" part > of what I've read about it means I won't have to recreate my personal user > e

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Daenyth Blank wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 13:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >> Let this thread not be just another "Will be nice" one. Pacman devs, >> please start implementing these package verification things. > And you're paying them how much that allows

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Ionut Biru
On 03/16/2010 07:24 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jared Casper wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are rele

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Jared Casper wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan >> wrote: >>> I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are >>> released within a week of their updates.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Ray Kohler
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jared Casper wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan >>> wrote: I don't think we need any security team for

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Dienstag, 16. März 2010 18:24:46 schrieb Nilesh Govindarajan: > Let this thread not be just another "Will be nice" one. Pacman devs, > please start implementing these package verification things. You got it wrong. Nothing will change until you start working on this. I have seen those discussio

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.33.1-1

2010-03-16 Thread Ignacio Galmarino
On 03/15/2010 01:16 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > No idea if it is time for signoff yet, I have to check that with tpowa. > However, I put 2.6.31.1 in testing with these changes: > > - Added a trivial patch to support my touchpad (selfish, I know, but it > is already accepted upstream for 2.6.34) >

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 13:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Let this thread not be just another "Will be nice" one. Pacman devs, > please start implementing these package verification things. And you're paying them how much that allows you to tell them what to work on? Seriously, patches welcome.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jared Casper wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan >> wrote: >>> I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are >>> released within a week of their updates.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Jared Casper
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan > wrote: >> I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are >> released within a week of their updates. GPG signing and md5sum >> verification is a must though. > > md

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are > released within a week of their updates. GPG signing and md5sum > verification is a must though. md5sum verification has ALWAYS been done

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 03/16/2010 06:53 PM, Chris Allison wrote: I would have thought that this only makes sense in the context of a "point-in-time release". i.e. you have a server which isn't updated as regularly as your desktop. The onus then is on the user to ensure that the versions of packages they are using a

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-16 Thread Chris Allison
I would have thought that this only makes sense in the context of a "point-in-time release". i.e. you have a server which isn't updated as regularly as your desktop. The onus then is on the user to ensure that the versions of packages they are using are "safe". I don't see this as a problem with

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs more than twice as fast compared to ext4

2010-03-16 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Tuesday 16 March 2010 14:41:41 Nathan Wayde wrote: > On 16/03/10 00:48, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > > [...] > > But as far as file system performance goes, the overhead should be > > identical for both the runs, no? > > I'm not too sure about that. I'm guessing there is less seeking going on >

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs more than twice as fast compared to ext4

2010-03-16 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 16/03/10 00:48, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: [...] But as far as file system performance goes, the overhead should be identical for both the runs, no? I'm not too sure about that. I'm guessing there is less seeking going on with Btrfs. Some files systems (reiserfs + reiserfs4 IIRC) are very go

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Mar 15, Damien Churchill did say: > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide is always a good > place to start. Yeah, I guess maybe I woulda if only my brain hadn't run out of steam. Now that I've looked a little closer at it than the quick glance I did pre-in