Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/28/2010 03:48 AM, Attila wrote: I change the permissions in the install file in this way: /bin/echo "Change Owner, Group and Permission to root.optical (4710) ..." Hi, don't need all root privileges/capabilities. Only cap_sys_admin, cap_sys_rawio for some special SCSI commands and

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] libcap-2.19-1

2010-01-27 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/28/2010 02:22 AM, Allan McRae wrote: On 21/01/10 22:22, Ronald van Haren wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Allan McRae wrote: Upstream update. No changes of note... Signoff both, Allan samba/proftpd still work here. signoff x86_64 Do I hear an i686? no issues with "ls" a

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Ray Rashif
2010/1/28 Xavier Chantry : > Anyway, if it was up to me, I would not replace anything, I would just > provide everything, and give the power to the user. Either all as > packages, or all as pkgbuilds in AUR, to not make anyone jealous. The latter sounds like the more probable solution :) -- GPG/

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Attila
At Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 00:14 Gaurish Sharma wrote: > Anyone, > How can we setup cdrtools to completely replace cdrkit so that other > programs like k3b can use seamlessly ? Any guides, I didn't find > anything on ArchLinux Wiki which is kinda strange. The hard way only for your system: p

[arch-general] [signoff] inetutils 1.7-2

2010-01-27 Thread Eric Bélanger
Hi, inetutils-1.7-2 is in testing. The localstatedir was fixed (FS#17981). Please test and signoff. Users signoff will be appreciated as not a lot of devs use these tools. Eric

Re: [arch-general] how to Map shortcut keys in KDE4.3 to lunch custom Applications?

2010-01-27 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Thursday 28 January 2010 03:42:27 Gaurish Sharma wrote: > I was able to launch Amarok via the extra media key present on my > keyboard. been using the exact same method for speedcrunch, it does > not work :( Pl. follow these steps and tell us if it worked. - Go to system settings -> input acti

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

2010-01-27 Thread Brendan Long
On 01/27/2010 03:47 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:43 -0600, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > >> 2010/1/27 Ng Oon-Ee >> >> >>> [snip] >>> Bad advise, IMHO. yaourt is a helper, not meant to be a pacman >>> replacement. To Andrea, you should learn to download the PKGBUILD and >>>

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:19 +0100, stefan-husm...@t-online.de wrote: >> Hello, >> >> the only reason I did not move cdrtools to community was that license >> reason.  So if that is no showstopper anymore, I can maintain it. >> >> Regards Stef

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

2010-01-27 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
One thing that haven't been mentioned: Have you installed any ttf fonts, or do you only have the font packages in the xorg group? If you haven't installed any extra ttf fonts, then do so, dejavu, bistream, ms fonts and the freefonts are usually good choices.

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Christos Nouskas
Gaurish Sharma wrote: > Hi, > Leaving all the licenses and legal issues aside, > > Q) Which is better out of the two? > > please respond purely on technical basis. A) cdrtools, period. Especially if you try to burn DVDs with long, non- ascii (read 'utf8') filenames, labels and other "weird" stuf

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Andres Perera
Pressing for legal info may be the natural reflex, but associated subjects are best dealt with caution. Maybe he's not in a position were he can divulge this, and is now eating the words he said when publishing details would've been unproblematic. You're getting a first hand response that it's ok

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gaurish Sharma wrote: > One more thing > cdrtools required it to be run as root, isn't that dangerous. any > method by which we give the required permissions to normal user? There are two possible solutions: 1) Look at the turkish Linux distro that delivers a complete uncastrated L

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Damjan Georgievski wrote: > There was a very simple suggestion some message ago, why not > dual-license the CDDL parts of cdrtools and be done with any and all > the FUD (from any side), all the anomisity, and trolling. Or the other way around: put mkisofs under C

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Gaurish Sharma
Hi, Atleast, you have my vote, I building cdrtools from AUR as we speak. there is no point of using unmaintned software. Anyone, How can we setup cdrtools to completely replace cdrkit so that other programs like k3b can use seamlessly ? Any guides, I didn't find anything on ArchLinux Wiki which is

Re: [arch-general] how to Map shortcut keys in KDE4.3 to lunch custom Applications?

2010-01-27 Thread Christos Nouskas
Gaurish Sharma wrote: > Hi All, > I am using KDE 4.3 Desktop on Archlinux 64bit. I have query regarding > Custom keyboard shortcuts. I have few extra hotkeys on my > keyboard(Microsoft Basic wired Keyboard 500). They keys have already > mapped and few of them work too. "Play" does play/pause in am

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gaurish Sharma wrote: > Hi, > Leaving all the licenses and legal issues aside, > > Q) Which is better out of the two? > > please respond purely on technical basis. Everything has been said, you just need to read it. Users demand working software and thus request cdrtools. It is up to the distr

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

2010-01-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:43 -0600, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > 2010/1/27 Ng Oon-Ee > > > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:55 -0700, Brendan Long wrote: > > > On 01/26/2010 06:37 PM, Carlos Williams wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Fagiani > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> [snip] > > > >>

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

2010-01-27 Thread Burlynn Corlew Jr
2010/1/27 Ng Oon-Ee > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:55 -0700, Brendan Long wrote: > > On 01/26/2010 06:37 PM, Carlos Williams wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Fagiani > wrote: > > > > > >> [snip] > > >> > > > Yeah I will review the Wiki again in more detail. I have never > > > ins

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Gaurish Sharma
Hi, Leaving all the licenses and legal issues aside, Q) Which is better out of the two? please respond purely on technical basis. Regards, Gaurish Sharma www.gaurishsharma.com

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

2010-01-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:55 -0700, Brendan Long wrote: > On 01/26/2010 06:37 PM, Carlos Williams wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Fagiani > > wrote: > > > >> [snip] > >> > > Yeah I will review the Wiki again in more detail. I have never > > installed anything from AUR

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Attila
At Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 22:47 Ray Rashif wrote: > It started off with a simple cautious question: evidence, please? ... Was it right that you answer to my comment? For me the story is over and i wish Joerg the best to get statements from a laywer which he can publish. One of the biggest ad

Re: [arch-general] how to Map shortcut keys in KDE4.3 to lunch custom Applications?

2010-01-27 Thread Gaurish Sharma
Hi, I was able to launch Amarok via the extra media key present on my keyboard. been using the exact same method for speedcrunch, it does not work :( Regards, Gaurish Sharma On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > On Tuesday 26 January 2010 19:57:26 Gaurish Sharma wrote:

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Damjan Georgievski
>> Perhaps he's annoyed because he wrote a big important piece of software and >> everyone refuses to use it because of BS claims that he's going to sue them. >> Wouldn't it make you angry if you went to the trouble to write something >> like this and everyone ditched it over claims by someone who

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Ray Rashif
It started off with a simple cautious question: evidence, please? So then, the cdrtools guy says..well, he ignores the evidence part and says something else, says it doesn't matter because you must first prove to him that he needs to show you evidence. So then, it's recursive. But then, he only

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Attila
At Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 20:59 Joerg Schilling wrote: > I am in contact with several lawyers but if you don't pay a lawyer, you get > help but not the permission to publish the statements. Good luck for it and i hope this story could find his end. And i want to take the opportunity to than

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Robert Howard
Or we could distribute both and hope that the resultant time/anti-time explosion is such that the universe is destroyed and we never have to bother worrying about such pointless, unproductive, made-up bullshit again in our lifetimes On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Jim Pryor > wrote: > Wow,

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Brendan Long
On 01/27/2010 09:43 AM, Johann Peter Dirichlet wrote: cdrkit is a badly maintained software, cdrtools is far well updated and maintained, and both are free softwares. So, dump or AUR cdrkit, and if some day someone would complain with cdrtools, simply put cdrkit back (or create a fork of it again

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Brendan Long wrote: > On 01/27/2010 11:19 AM, Xavier Chantry wrote: >> >> Joerg on the other hand seems to care a lot about the inclusion of his >> software in the official Arch repository. >> Actually, I really wonder like pyther : "What is in this for him?". >> T

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Brendan Long
On 01/27/2010 08:00 AM, Thomas Jost wrote: Le 27/01/2010 15:56, Joerg Schilling a écrit : Thomas Jost wrote: [snip] Well, someone in this list just told me that the rules for Arch Linux are that someone from Cdrkit would need to prove that there is no legal problem with cdrkit. Co

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Brendan Long
On 01/27/2010 11:19 AM, Xavier Chantry wrote: Joerg on the other hand seems to care a lot about the inclusion of his software in the official Arch repository. Actually, I really wonder like pyther : "What is in this for him?". The software is already in AUR, which every Arch users know and use. A

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Attila wrote: > Sorry ,if i makes you angry because this is NOT my intention. But what i > really > miss during this most useless discussion about a software for linux is that > no > one of both sides hire a laywer and see what happens in reality inf front of > a > court instead of voting.

Re: [arch-general] First Time Arch w/ Gnome Installed

2010-01-27 Thread Brendan Long
On 01/26/2010 06:37 PM, Carlos Williams wrote: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Andrea Fagiani wrote: [snip] Yeah I will review the Wiki again in more detail. I have never installed anything from AUR but assume it's pretty straight forward. I will try your suggested packages... Than

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Xavier Chantry wrote: > Joerg on the other hand seems to care a lot about the inclusion of his > software in the official Arch repository. > Actually, I really wonder like pyther : "What is in this for him?". > The software is already in AUR, which every Arch users know and use. > According to hi

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Attila
At Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 12:51 Allan McRae wrote: > Please provide a report from a single laywer showing that there is not. > This has been repeatedly asked of you I'm with you because it would be very nice to have this report but because in life all have two sides in the most cases i hav

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Attila
At Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 15:59 Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > cd ~ > ln -s /usr/share/themes/QtCurve/gtk-2.0/gtkrc .gtkrc-2.0 I don't think that this is a good idea and if you want a to create a symlink it is more recommend to do this in /etc/gtk-2.0: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desk

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Johann Peter Dirichlet
2010/1/27 Xavier Chantry : > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Aaron Griffin > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Just to make it clear: There is not a single claim from a lawyer that confirms

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> Just to make it clear: >>> >>> There is not a single claim from a lawyer that confirms the claims >>> from >>> the hostile

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Johann Peter Dirichlet wrote: > That is not the case for cdrkit. It has a lower quality than the > original software. In fact, I lost some DVD discs with wodim :( but it > is just with me (many people say that cdrkit is buggy, many people say > that is good). There is a simple reason for this pr

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Johann Peter Dirichlet
2010/1/27 kludge : > On 01/27/2010 09:49 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: >> Am Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:01 -0500 >> schrieb pyther : >> >>> Look at the high-profile case of cdrtools vs cdrkit, though; it is >>> huge. You stated that sun spent 3 months looking into it. If for some >>> odd reason someone decide

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread ludovic coues
By the way, why Joerg ask that Allan do the jobs about legal stuff ? That Joerg that want that cdrkit go to official repo. Not Allan. I'm not right ?

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread pyther
On 01/27/2010 11:18 AM, kludge wrote: On 01/27/2010 09:49 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:01 -0500 schrieb pyther: Look at the high-profile case of cdrtools vs cdrkit, though; it is huge. You stated that sun spent 3 months looking into it. If for some odd reason some

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
Thanks all. Using KDM (inittab, previously GDM) fixed the power problem. Okay is it possible to apply GTK themes to KDE ? I think no cause KDE uses QT. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Adminstrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread kludge
On 01/27/2010 09:49 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:01 -0500 > schrieb pyther : > >> Look at the high-profile case of cdrtools vs cdrkit, though; it is >> huge. You stated that sun spent 3 months looking into it. If for some >> odd reason someone decide to sue the arch project t

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Ray Kohler
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> Just to make it clear: >>> >>> There is not a single claim from a lawyer that confirms the claims >>> from >>> the hostile

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Tom
> - the anti-cdrtools people state that CDDL and GPL are incompatible, > some have lawyers who back that statement > - the pro-cdrtools guy states that the lawyers are wrong, backed by > other statements from other lawyers Hmm...lawyers, self-serving bunch if you ask me ;) But seriously, this who

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Byron Clark
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 04:39:13PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > 4. In the package > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/cdrtools-2.01.tar.gz I can't find > anything about the CDDL. I can only find the GPLv2 and a file with some > - sorry Jörg - childish (the comment about the config path) or > unneces

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:39 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > 2. Jörg as the author and seeming copyright holder of both software > cdrecord and mkisofs has already stated that he has no problem with > the release of cdrtools (linking cdrecord against mkisofs) and won't > sue you. If he would be the fu

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 01/25/2010 02:46 PM, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote: Hello, My question is: this is relevant in Arch Linux? I guess that in general there are no strong rules about license issues under Arch Linux. I remember well, that some time ago, I asked some things about some packages readline (GPL) an

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Just to make it clear: >> >> There is not a single claim from a lawyer that confirms the claims >> from >> the hostile downstram packager. > > Looking through the thread on the fedor

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:15:14 +0700 schrieb Emmanuel Benisty : > If this is true, can't Joerg just issue an official statement that he > will not sue Arch and we can close this case. or can any other party > sue you when violating the GPL ? Jörg already did this in this thread. Greetings, Heiko

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:17:01 -0500 schrieb pyther : > Look at the high-profile case of cdrtools vs cdrkit, though; it is > huge. You stated that sun spent 3 months looking into it. If for some > odd reason someone decide to sue the arch project there is a big risk > for Aaron and the maintainer of

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:43:27 +1000 schrieb Allan McRae : > Yes you can... and equally so can we and not package cdrtools unless > you can prove yours. Even if you can prove your claim, we still can > relax and do nothing. Although, as I said before, the technical > merits of your project warr

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Jim Pryor
Wow, this thread got very hot very fast. I composed this about an hour ago, when things were much cooler. But the questions still seem worth raising. I understand Joerg's frustration about the burden of proof issue here, and I also understand Allan's and Phrakture's reluctance, in the light of our

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:20 +0100, Alberto Bonacina wrote: > 2010/1/27 Jan de Groot : > > 1) Power group? Damn, that's old. Does KDE still use that? > > I don't know if it's old but the beginners guide [1] tolds that when > you want to create a new users you should "put" him in the power group > t

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Alberto Bonacina
2010/1/27 Jan de Groot : > 1) Power group? Damn, that's old. Does KDE still use that? I don't know if it's old but the beginners guide [1] tolds that when you want to create a new users you should "put" him in the power group to e.g.: shutdown with power button. [1] http://wiki.archlinux.org/ind

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread pyther
On 01/27/2010 04:31 AM, Allan McRae wrote: Joerg, The only thing that will definitely change our minds with regards to this is actually seeing a copy of the report saying the linking performed with cdrtools is not an issue due to license restrictions. Until that time, this discussion is going

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:10 +0100, Alberto Bonacina wrote: > 2010/1/27 Nilesh Govindarajan : > > I recently installed KDE 4.3.4 > > > > The Leave section in the menu doesn't have power functions like shutdown and > > restart. > > > > How to solve this ? > > There are two answer: > > 1) Are your u

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Alberto Bonacina
2010/1/27 Nilesh Govindarajan : > I recently installed KDE 4.3.4 > > The Leave section in the menu doesn't have power functions like shutdown and > restart. > > How to solve this ? There are two answer: 1) Are your user in the power group? 2) You start KDE with a login manager like GDM/KDM/slim o

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thomas Jost wrote: > You said earlier that "_you_ would first need to prove that there is a > legal problem with the original software". > > You are telling cdrkit is illegal. > > Follow your own rule. Prove cdrkit to be illegal. > > If you can't, there's no point in continuing this discussion.

Re: [arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Bram Schoenmakers
2010/1/27 Nilesh Govindarajan : > I recently installed KDE 4.3.4 > > The Leave section in the menu doesn't have power functions like shutdown and > restart. > > How to solve this ? Do you use KDM as display manager? If yes, check in the Login configuration (System Settings->Login screen->Shutdown

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Thomas Jost
Le 27/01/2010 15:56, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > Thomas Jost wrote: > >> Le 27/01/2010 15:12, Joerg Schilling a écrit : >>> Well, it seems that you decided to use a model that is highly vulnerable >>> for >>> FUD and you are even in conflict with your own statements: >> >> Just a (not so) funny

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > On 28/01/10 00:31, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > The GPL claims to be a valid OSS license. > > > > In order to become a valid OSS license, a license must not only follow the > > weak rules from the FSF but also follow the more stringent rules from the > > OpenSource initiative:

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thomas Jost wrote: > Le 27/01/2010 15:12, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > Well, it seems that you decided to use a model that is highly vulnerable > > for > > FUD and you are even in conflict with your own statements: > > Just a (not so) funny thought about "FUD from hostile people" and stuff: >

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 28/01/10 00:31, Joerg Schilling wrote: The GPL claims to be a valid OSS license. In order to become a valid OSS license, a license must not only follow the weak rules from the FSF but also follow the more stringent rules from the OpenSource initiative: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definiti

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jan de Groot wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Just to make it clear: > > > > There is not a single claim from a lawyer that confirms the claims > > from > > the hostile downstram packager. > > Looking through the thread on the fedora list they claim there's

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > >> > >> Nice avoidance yet again of the request to provide some legal backing to > >> your assertion that it is legal to distribute cdrtools. > > > > You still did not prove that it is illegal. I sit back and relax unless you > > can > > prove your claims. > > Yes you can...

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Thomas Jost
Le 27/01/2010 15:12, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > Well, it seems that you decided to use a model that is highly vulnerable for > FUD and you are even in conflict with your own statements: Just a (not so) funny thought about "FUD from hostile people" and stuff: > Did you remove cdrkit from Arch Li

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Just to make it clear: > > There is not a single claim from a lawyer that confirms the claims > from > the hostile downstram packager. Looking through the thread on the fedora list they claim there's lawyers confirmed it, but in the sam

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jan de Groot wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 10:29 -0200, Johann Peter Dirichlet wrote: > > Well, there are some lawyer we can just consult to put a thombstone on > > this discussion? It will going to nowhere if we can't do this single > > "clearing" of legal issues. In fact, this is the only hurd

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 28/01/10 00:12, Joerg Schilling wrote: Allan McRae wrote: On 27/01/10 22:40, Joerg Schilling wrote: Allan McRae wrote: On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please show me a report from a single lawyer that proves that t

[arch-general] KDE 4.3 no power functions ?

2010-01-27 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
I recently installed KDE 4.3.4 The Leave section in the menu doesn't have power functions like shutdown and restart. How to solve this ? Also GTK apps are appearing very ugly, any suggestions ? -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Adminstrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Pierre Schmitz wrote: > The point is that nobody of us can proof for sure if it's legal or not. So > it's quite pointless to continue arguing here. We will not be able to advance in case that a single person insists in applying rules that are in conflict with legal basics. Do you really like

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > On 27/01/10 22:40, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Allan McRae wrote: > > > >> On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: > >>> There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please show > >>> me a > >>> report from a single lawyer that proves that there is a legal

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Johann Peter Dirichlet wrote: > Well, after thinking about it (and talk with some friends, none > lawyer), I just vote for "community cdrtools and dump cdrkit". > > I always think about supporting other operating systems, mainly > FreeBSD and NetBSD, before taking place in disputes like this. > "

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Robert Howard
Let us all remember that Arch Linux is not a for-profit company out to make a dollar on the backs of free software developers. It is likely that anyone making a license claim against Arch Linux would simply ask us to remove the offending package and leave it at that. The real risk is quite minimal

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 10:29 -0200, Johann Peter Dirichlet wrote: > Well, there are some lawyer we can just consult to put a thombstone on > this discussion? It will going to nowhere if we can't do this single > "clearing" of legal issues. In fact, this is the only hurdle to put > cdrtools in [commu

Re: [arch-general] Software RAID w/ 4 Drives Fails

2010-01-27 Thread Carlos Williams
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Robert Howard wrote: > Yes, you should be able to do it either way. I have built 6+ drive arrays > from clean install before without any problem. > > IIRC, the command should just be mdadm /dev/md0 -level=5 -raid-devices=4 > /dev/sd[a-d]1 > > You can also add a swi

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Emmanuel Benisty
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > It seems that most of the mkisofs code was actually written > by Jörg himself or written while the package was under Jörg's > maintainership (only a small portion is from the original author, who > has no interest in it anymore), so I would

Re: [arch-general] Software RAID w/ 4 Drives Fails

2010-01-27 Thread Robert Howard
Yes, you should be able to do it either way. I have built 6+ drive arrays from clean install before without any problem. IIRC, the command should just be mdadm /dev/md0 -level=5 -raid-devices=4 /dev/sd[a-d]1 You can also add a switch to force all drives active but you must also add -ff to the com

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 13:40:08 schrieb Joerg Schilling: > Allan McRae wrote: > > On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please > > > show me a report from a single lawyer that proves that there is a > > > legal problem wi

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 27/01/10 22:40, Joerg Schilling wrote: Allan McRae wrote: On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please show me a report from a single lawyer that proves that there is a legal problem with the original software. Please provi

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please show me > > a > > report from a single lawyer that proves that there is a legal problem with > > the > > original software. > > Please provide a report from a s

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Johann Peter Dirichlet
2010/1/27 Allan McRae : > On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >> There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please show >> me a >> report from a single lawyer that proves that there is a legal problem with >> the >> original software. > > Please provide a report from a si

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 27/01/10 20:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: There was nothing but a social attack from a hostile person. Please show me a report from a single lawyer that proves that there is a legal problem with the original software. Please provide a report from a single laywer showing that there is not. Thi

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Johann Peter Dirichlet
Well, after thinking about it (and talk with some friends, none lawyer), I just vote for "community cdrtools and dump cdrkit". I always think about supporting other operating systems, mainly FreeBSD and NetBSD, before taking place in disputes like this. "If the software can be ported to more platf

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thomas Bächler wrote: > I disagree. It seems that most of the mkisofs code was actually written > by Jörg himself or written while the package was under Jörg's > maintainership (only a small portion is from the original author, who > has no interest in it anymore), so I would consider him the def

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Johann Peter Dirichlet wrote: > Just burning the question: > what about other operating systems (yes, FreeBSD and family) about it? > It appears to be the cdrtools VS cdrkit issue doesn't affect them, and > in fact FreeBSD guys keep cdrtools as precompiled package but hold > cdrkit as a source-on

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Allan McRae wrote: > The only thing that will definitely change our minds with regards to > this is actually seeing a copy of the report saying the linking > performed with cdrtools is not an issue due to license restrictions. > Until that time, this discussion is going nowhere and makes you a

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 27.01.2010 10:31, schrieb Allan McRae: > Joerg, > > The only thing that will definitely change our minds with regards to > this is actually seeing a copy of the report saying the linking > performed with cdrtools is not an issue due to license restrictions. > Until that time, this discussion is

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Johann Peter Dirichlet
Just burning the question: what about other operating systems (yes, FreeBSD and family) about it? It appears to be the cdrtools VS cdrkit issue doesn't affect them, and in fact FreeBSD guys keep cdrtools as precompiled package but hold cdrkit as a source-only port. 2010/1/27 Allan McRae : > Joerg,

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Allan McRae
Joerg, The only thing that will definitely change our minds with regards to this is actually seeing a copy of the report saying the linking performed with cdrtools is not an issue due to license restrictions. Until that time, this discussion is going nowhere and makes you appear trollish with

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit

2010-01-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Kitty wrote: > > Well, if nothing else, I've learned a couple of things from this thread: > > > > 1) FUD works, especially if the FUDer is with a notable distro. > > 2) AUR is my friend. > > Well, if nothing else, I've learned that having