Re: Darwin: Replace environment runpath with embedded [PR88590]

2023-10-08 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I hope a global maintainer can step up. I've been on hiatus from GCC work for some years, and this was never my part of the build system anyway -- and I don't use Darwin -- so I'm not qualified to review it. It looks fine but it should be reviewed by someone who knows what they're doing. On W

Re: [PATCH RESEND] libatomic: drop redundant all-multi command

2023-08-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode via Gcc-patches
I'm afraid I don't understand this part of the code well, and I've really been away from GCC work for years, and I'm not sure what tests should be run to verify that this is working, so I don't feel comfortable approving it by myself. It looks right though. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, at 1:55 AM, Jan

[Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#1036586: pipewire-pulse: Music garbled, faint, and generally unusable when switching from pulseaudio to pipewire-pulse

2023-05-22 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: pipewire-pulse Severity: important X-Debbugs-Cc: ncn_flos...@fastmail.fm Dear Maintainer, * What led up to the situation? Switching from pulseaudio daemon to pipewire-pulse * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or ineffective)? Switching from pulseaudio dae

Bug#1036586: pipewire-pulse: Music garbled, faint, and generally unusable when switching from pulseaudio to pipewire-pulse

2023-05-22 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: pipewire-pulse Severity: important X-Debbugs-Cc: ncn_flos...@fastmail.fm Dear Maintainer, * What led up to the situation? Switching from pulseaudio daemon to pipewire-pulse * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or ineffective)? Switching from pulseaudio dae

Bug#986318: inform6-compiler: Actually, upon retesting, the benefits come from using -O2

2021-04-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: inform6-compiler Version: 6.33-2+b1 Followup-For: Bug #986318 X-Debbugs-Cc: ncn_flos...@fastmail.fm Dear Maintainer, I retested and realized that most of the benefits come not from -flto, but simply from -O2 (or the nearly-equivalent -Og if you want better debugging information). No o

Bug#986317: inform6-compiler: New upstream available

2021-04-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: inform6-compiler Version: 6.33-2+b1 Severity: normal X-Debbugs-Cc: ncn_flos...@fastmail.fm Dear Maintainer, Inform 6.34 was released in mid-2020. https://github.com/DavidKinder/Inform6/releases/tag/v6.34 There are several reasons to update to this. It fixes several bugs and is usable

Bug#986318: inform6-compiler: inform6 would run twice as fast if compiled with -flto

2021-04-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: inform6-compiler Version: 6.33-2+b1 Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-Cc: ncn_flos...@fastmail.fm Dear Maintainer, I have tested and Inform 6 runs twice as fast if compiled with the -flto option (which is over 10 years old and highly stable) and any level of optimization (-O2, -O1, -Og.) I

Re: lto-plugin: mismatch between ld's architecture and GCC's configure --host

2014-05-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
On 05/22/2014 06:56 AM, Thomas Schwinge wrote: Hi! Now that GCC again is in development stage, and with fresh hope to have someone review this patch submission, after having let the issue rest for several months: I just re-tested the current versions. Still there are no changes for a "regular"

Re: Ping*4: [RFA:] fix bug in configure header-probing for stack protector support in target C library

2012-07-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
On 06/29/2012 09:15 AM, Hans-Peter Nilsson wrote: >> From: "Joseph S. Myers" >> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:42 +0200 > >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Hans-Peter Nilsson wrote: >> >> Fix configure test for "stack protector support in target C library". >> * configure.ac (test_prefix, test_exec

Re: PING: PATCH: Backport x32 support to libtool

2012-05-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
On 05/15/2012 11:32 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Nathanael Nerode (GCC) > wrote: >> On 05/11/2012 12:50 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: >>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: >>&

Re: PING: PATCH: Backport x32 support to libtool

2012-05-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
On 05/11/2012 12:50 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:34 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: > Hi, > > This patch backports x32 supp

Re: PATCH: Add --with-abi= support to x86_64-*-*

2012-04-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
On 03/28/2012 09:06 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathanael Nerode (GCC) > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Can any build maintainers review this patch? >> >> I don't feel comfortable reviewing this, because I don't

Re: PATCH: Add --with-abi= support to x86_64-*-*

2012-03-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
On 03/14/2012 12:22 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This patch adds --with-abi= support to x86_64-*-* to configure GCC with >> >> --with-abi=x32 >> --with-abi=mx32 >> --with-multilib-list=mx32 >> >> to set the default ABI to x32. In i386 backend,

Bug#592719: This is grave.

2011-06-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This bug is grave (I've adjusted its severity accordingly). It breaks unrelated packages entirely. I have this problem too. The failure mode is quite cryptic. Killing udisks-daemon is the only way to fix it, though I have not tried the patch attached to #592719. Since this is grave, I suggest

Bug#592719: This is grave.

2011-06-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This bug is grave (I've adjusted its severity accordingly). It breaks unrelated packages entirely. I have this problem too. The failure mode is quite cryptic. Killing udisks-daemon is the only way to fix it, though I have not tried the patch attached to #592719. Since this is grave, I suggest

[Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#592719: This is grave.

2011-06-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This bug is grave (I've adjusted its severity accordingly). It breaks unrelated packages entirely. I have this problem too. The failure mode is quite cryptic. Killing udisks-daemon is the only way to fix it, though I have not tried the patch attached to #592719. Since this is grave, I suggest

Re: More toplevel configure.ac pruning

2011-03-29 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
On 03/25/2011 07:33 AM, Joseph S. Myers wrote: > -# Some tools are only suitable for building in a "native" situation. > -# Remove these if host!=target. > -native_only="autoconf automake libtool fileutils find gawk gettext gzip > hello indent m4 rcs recode sed shellutils tar textutils uudecode

Re: Prune empty cases from toplevel configure.ac

2011-03-29 Thread Nathanael Nerode (GCC)
e now, as I guess it's clear now that the top level is only being used by a short, known list of projects. Nathanael Nerode

Bug#585448: This is grave

2011-03-28 Thread Nathanael Nerode
e tracked down, it should be easy to figure out why it's not closing files when it should. -- Nathanael Nerode -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#601432: RM: fkiss -- ROM; Package dead upstream, functional alternatives available

2010-10-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
not clean. Upon looking at it again, and with the development of a working alternative, I do not think it is wise to attempt to maintain it further. Apologies for not doing this earlier. Cc:ed to Amaya as sponsor. --Nathanael Nerode -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ

Bug#578931: dselect: Dselect seems not to parse version numbers correctly

2010-04-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: dselect Version: 1.15.5.6 Severity: important git-all Depends: git (>> 1:1.7.0.5), git (<< 1:1.7.0.5-.) As far as dselect is concerned, this condition is satsified by *no* version of git, and git-all and git can't be installed simultaneously. Unfortunately, dpkg --compare-versions thin

Bug#578931: dselect: Dselect seems not to parse version numbers correctly

2010-04-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: dselect Version: 1.15.5.6 Severity: important git-all Depends: git (>> 1:1.7.0.5), git (<< 1:1.7.0.5-.) As far as dselect is concerned, this condition is satsified by *no* version of git, and git-all and git can't be installed simultaneously. Unfortunately, dpkg --compare-versions thin

Bug#578930: aptitude: Aptitude looks awful if LANG=en_US.UTF-8

2010-04-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: aptitude Version: 0.6.1.5-3 Severity: normal Aptitude appears to have some hardcoded dependencies on the locale. Given this, it really needs to force the locale before starting. I have to start it up with LANG=C aptitude in order to keep the screen readable; otherwise I get lots of nons

Bug#538144: I'm sorry KDE maintainers are not responsible people.

2009-08-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I am sorry that the KDE maintainers are incapable of forwarding bugs upstream. One would assume that they, unlike me, have accounts on KDE's Bugzilla. GNOME has its problems, but its maintainers are actually making some effort to maintain it, so I guess I'll switch to it. Bye-bye now. --

Bug#532883: I'm sorry KDE maintainers are not responsible people.

2009-08-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I am sorry that the KDE maintainers are incapable of forwarding bugs upstream. One would assume that they, unlike me, have accounts on KDE's Bugzilla. GNOME has its problems, but its maintainers are actually making some effort to maintain it, so I guess I'll switch to it. Bye-bye now. --

Bug#532883: dolphin does NOT have an "open folders in new windows" option

2009-07-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
(OK, bug unarchived, now the message should get through...) Just installed KDE 4.2.4. NO, dolphin does NOT have an option to open every folder in a new window automatically when you double-click. (Macintosh c. 1984 style.) The equivalent of Konqueror's "Open folders in separate windows" optio

Bug#538144: Option "Open folders in new windows" is BROKEN, rendering konqueror unsuitable for purpose

2009-07-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: konqueror Version: 4:4.2.4-1 Severity: important Under "Settings"/"Configure Konqueror...", under "File Management", there is an option called "Open folders in separate windows". I have had this option on since day one. It is absolutely essential -- I cannot comfortably browse files wi

Bug#532883: dolphin does NOT have an "open folders in new windows" option

2009-07-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
(OK, bug unarchived, now the message should get through...) Just installed KDE 4.2.4. NO, dolphin does NOT have an option to open every folder in a new window automatically when you double-click. (Macintosh c. 1984 style.) The equivalent of Konqueror's "Open folders in separate windows" optio

Bug#538144: Option "Open folders in new windows" is BROKEN, rendering konqueror unsuitable for purpose

2009-07-23 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: konqueror Version: 4:4.2.4-1 Severity: important Under "Settings"/"Configure Konqueror...", under "File Management", there is an option called "Open folders in separate windows". I have had this option on since day one. It is absolutely essential -- I cannot comfortably browse files wi

Bug#535922: firmware-nonfree: Need to include 'advansys' firmware

2009-07-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: firmware-nonfree Version: 0.17 Severity: important Starting with Linux 2.6.30, the advansys firmware is not built into the kernel, but loaded. This firmware is BSD-licensed so it's safe to put it in non-free (it has no source so it's not free). These are the four files needed: 3550.bin

Bug#535923: udev: Doesn't quite clean up old conffiles right

2009-07-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: udev Version: 0.141-1 Severity: minor After some poking around, I realized that the files /etc/modprobe.d/pnp-hotplug.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/display_class.conf were useless leftovers from an obsolete version of udev. They were probably supposed to be cleaned up in udev.preinst, in

Bug#535922: firmware-nonfree: Need to include 'advansys' firmware

2009-07-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: firmware-nonfree Version: 0.17 Severity: important Starting with Linux 2.6.30, the advansys firmware is not built into the kernel, but loaded. This firmware is BSD-licensed so it's safe to put it in non-free (it has no source so it's not free). These are the four files needed: 3550.bin

Bug#532883: dolphin: seriously needs 'open folders in new windows' option

2009-06-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: dolphin Version: 4:4.2.2-1 Severity: wishlist This is a wishlist. I found dolphin completely unusable because of only one missing option. I prefer to do my file browsing "old MacOS"-style, one window per folder, where opening a folder opens a new window. Konqueror has an configura

Bug#532883: dolphin: seriously needs 'open folders in new windows' option

2009-06-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: dolphin Version: 4:4.2.2-1 Severity: wishlist This is a wishlist. I found dolphin completely unusable because of only one missing option. I prefer to do my file browsing "old MacOS"-style, one window per folder, where opening a folder opens a new window. Konqueror has an configura

Bug#532391: /usr/sbin/rngd: rngd using 80% of CPU ??

2009-06-08 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: rng-tools Version: 2-unofficial-mt.12-1 Severity: minor File: /usr/sbin/rngd According to 'top' anyway. What's going on here? Does it deliberately eat all spare CPU time? If so, it seems unlikely that my chip will ever go into sleep state -- System Information: Debian Release:

Bug#524382: firmware-linux: Package description written in broken English

2009-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: firmware-linux Version: 0.16 Severity: minor The package description for firmware-linux currently reads: "This package contains the binary firmware for all firmwares which was formally shipped in the Linux image." Note subject-verb agreement problem ("firmwares was") and sound-alike wor

Bug#524382: firmware-linux: Package description written in broken English

2009-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: firmware-linux Version: 0.16 Severity: minor The package description for firmware-linux currently reads: "This package contains the binary firmware for all firmwares which was formally shipped in the Linux image." Note subject-verb agreement problem ("firmwares was") and sound-alike wor

Bug#406849: This one is a policy violation -- and trivial to fix

2008-11-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
ements ten years from now, with my message to the BTS being the only remaining reference! -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bush admitted to violating FISA and said he was proud of it. So why isn't he in prison yet?... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a su

Bug#389430: Commenting on the add-on debs issues...

2008-10-21 Thread Nathanael Nerode
parallel in structure to runs of floppy-retriever, which can check for a new floppy every time. If nobody is willing to actually take a look at my patches, perhaps you'd at least consider the analysis I put into it. My approach works better than dann's because it was designed properly.

Bug#389430: Commenting on the add-on debs issues...

2008-10-21 Thread Nathanael Nerode
parallel in structure to runs of floppy-retriever, which can check for a new floppy every time. If nobody is willing to actually take a look at my patches, perhaps you'd at least consider the analysis I put into it. My approach works better than dann's because it was designed properly.

Bug#498948: fontconfig: Proposal for single run of fc-cache per apt-get run

2008-09-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
uilds when it's dealing with a font in /usr/share/fonts. (All such fonts should be handled by dpkg, and therefore we can rely on the trigger to rebuild the cache.) -- Nathanael Nerode (neroden at gcc dot gnu dot org) Versions of packages fontconfig depends on: ii fontconfig-config 2.6.0

Bug#473052: Missing dependency: hal needs to depend on dbus-x11?

2008-03-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: hal Severity: important On an attempt to upgrade from etch to lenny, the upgrade hanged configure hal. But *before* that it announced that it was unable to connect to dbus, complaining specifically about dbus-launch. Now, the crucial point is that dbus-x11 was not installed on the mac

[Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#473052: Missing dependency: hal needs to depend on dbus-x11?

2008-03-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: hal Severity: important On an attempt to upgrade from etch to lenny, the upgrade hanged configure hal. But *before* that it announced that it was unable to connect to dbus, complaining specifically about dbus-launch. Now, the crucial point is that dbus-x11 was not installed on the mac

Bug#448982: boinc-client: BOINC still ignoring user activity

2008-02-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: boinc-client Version: 5.10.30-5 Followup-For: Bug #448982 Sorry but this bug is not fixed in this version of boinc. The child client process (hadcm3 or some such in my case) continues to run and eat up CPU cycles (as shown by 'top') no matter how much activity is going on with keyboard

Bug#457858: lirc-modules-source does not build, ever

2007-12-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: lirc-modules-source Version: 0.8.0-13 Severity: grave Justification: renders package unusable This has now been true for months. Please stop producing the lirc-modules-source package if you cannot make it compile properly. This bug IS grave. I'm sorry. -- System Information: Debian R

Bug#457858: lirc-modules-source does not build, ever

2007-12-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: lirc-modules-source Version: 0.8.0-13 Severity: grave Justification: renders package unusable This has now been true for months. Please stop producing the lirc-modules-source package if you cannot make it compile properly. This bug IS grave. I'm sorry. -- System Information: Debian R

Bug#448982: This is hitting me too; it's important.

2007-12-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
severity 448982 important thanks Subject: boinc-client: This is hitting me too Followup-For: Bug #448982 Package: boinc-client Version: 5.10.30-2 *** Please type your report below this line *** I've had to disable BOINC permanently because this has been going on so many months; I use my computer

Bug#450053: fkiss: Upstream basically dead

2007-11-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
For the information of anyone looking at this bug, the watch file was only there in case upstream came back to life. I'll delete it (or at least that webpage, I think it checks several) next time I make an upload. Probably not worth an upload just for this, though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

I guess upstream listened

2007-11-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Forget most of my previous message! Googling again, it looks like someone upstream at Linux picked up the dgrs removal after several weeks (and I simply didn't notice)! I guess the system works. :-) Hooray! -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will

Getting upstream to listen (was Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-11-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
ule clears in a few years, if it's still there I'll try again). Perhaps they might actually listen to you if *you* requested the removal of dgrs? Since they aren't listening to me. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A thousand reasons. http://www.thousandreas

[PATCH 1/2] dgrs: remove from build, config, and maintainer list

2007-09-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
From: Nathanael Nerode Stop building and configuring driver for Digi RightSwitch, which was never actually sold to anyone, and remove it from MAINTAINERS. In response to an investigation into the firmware of the "Digi Rightswitch" driver, Andres Salomon discovered: > > Dear A

[PATCH 1/2] dgrs: remove from build, config, and maintainer list

2007-09-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
From: Nathanael Nerode Stop building and configuring driver for Digi RightSwitch, which was never actually sold to anyone, and remove it from MAINTAINERS. In response to an investigation into the firmware of the "Digi Rightswitch" driver, Andres Salomon discovered: > > Dear A

Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
g to separate out any non-free material. There have been severe regressions from sarge and no attempt is being made to fix them. I guess the Social Contract really is a joke. I don't know why new applicants are supposed to agree to it. Old members apparently violate it at will for ye

Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
g to separate out any non-free material. There have been severe regressions from sarge and no attempt is being made to fix them. I guess the Social Contract really is a joke. I don't know why new applicants are supposed to agree to it. Old members apparently violate it at will for ye

"Outside udebs" capability: what are we waiting for?

2007-09-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
on-free parts of the kernel to non-free where they belong. If this was true, integration of this should help unblock five "serious" bugs some of which are more than three years old. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "It's just a goddamned piece of paper."

Bug#429249: lirc-modules-source: Badly documented, doesn't work

2007-06-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: lirc-modules-source Severity: grave Justification: renders package unusable This package is pretty much completely worthless on etch. If I follow the instructions from dpkg-reconfigure-source, or the instructions in the README, it builds some modules (with the wrong extension -- .o inst

Bug#429249: lirc-modules-source: Badly documented, doesn't work

2007-06-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Package: lirc-modules-source Severity: grave Justification: renders package unusable This package is pretty much completely worthless on etch. If I follow the instructions from dpkg-reconfigure-source, or the instructions in the README, it builds some modules (with the wrong extension -- .o inst

Re: (C) vs. whatever

2007-05-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony W. Youngman - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Finney ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Ben Finney wrote: >> [the (C) sequence is] possibly not a valid copyright >> indicator. The ©

Re: (C) vs. ©

2007-05-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Shriramana Sharma wrote: >Hello. > >I have heard that in copyright declarations like: > >--- >Copyright (C) 2007, Company X, Country Y. All rights reserved. >--- > > >it is incorrect to use (C) in place of the symbol © which is the strict >copyright symbol. Is this so? This is not

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licenses

2007-05-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thanks for all your feedback, but the GPL also has some clauses that are >not applicable to documentation as pointed out at: > >http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyNotGPLForManuals Debian does not agree with the FSF opinion on this. The FSF's

Re: Bug #383316: Derivative works for songs

2007-05-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Francesco Poli wrote: >We must determine what is the preferred form for making modifications to >the song. I'm not sure an Ogg Vorbis + MIDI form qualifies... What sort of modifications? ...Actually, a concept from copyright law may help here. There are *two* copyrights on any given recording.

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: >To underline, the following clauses in the CDDL are problematic: > > 9. MISCELLANEOUS > > [...] > This License shall be governed by the law of the jurisdiction > specified in a notice contained within the Original Software > (except to the extent applicable law, if

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: >To underline, the following clauses in the CDDL are problematic: > > 9. MISCELLANEOUS > > [...] > This License shall be governed by the law of the jurisdiction > specified in a notice contained within the Original Software > (except to the extent applicable law, if

Bug#2297: Tested, verified in xterm, konsole

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
You can run "trickle" on a single machine by ssh'ing to localhost. :-) I can reproduce this behavior with xterm, getting the paste to come through after the return key even though the return key was hit first. konsole shows different, but very similar behavior: the fast konsole drops the paste

Bug#2297: Tested, verified in xterm, konsole

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
You can run "trickle" on a single machine by ssh'ing to localhost. :-) I can reproduce this behavior with xterm, getting the paste to come through after the return key even though the return key was hit first. konsole shows different, but very similar behavior: the fast konsole drops the paste

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: >I don't believe we need an amendment to the Social Contract to >specifically state this as the case, but a correctly worded one which >specifically amended the social contract and/or the DFSG appropriately >may be worth some thought. > >Unfortunatly, the currently proposed ame

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: >I don't believe we need an amendment to the Social Contract to >specifically state this as the case, but a correctly worded one which >specifically amended the social contract and/or the DFSG appropriately >may be worth some thought. > >Unfortunatly, the currently proposed ame

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ian Jackson wrote: >If this is forced to a GR we should have an option along these >lines: > > We note that many license texts are copyrighted works, licensed only > under meta-licenses which prohibit the creation of derivative > license texts. > > We do not consider this a problem. Although

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ian Jackson wrote: >If this is forced to a GR we should have an option along these >lines: > > We note that many license texts are copyrighted works, licensed only > under meta-licenses which prohibit the creation of derivative > license texts. > > We do not consider this a problem. Although

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-19 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: >Licence documents MUST be invariant. They are legal documents, with >legal force, and you're trying to give the recipient the right to mess >about with them! No, you're wrong. This is a FAQ. There's a difference between changing the license for a work (impossible)

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
or review of all changes including backported security fixes. Debian's Mozilla programs will probably be more up to date than all other distributions' versions, apart from the usual "Debian stable is really old" thing. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Read i

Bug#2297: Able to reproduce, behavior of other terminal emulators, thoughts?

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
ot;best failure mode". This may well be a "wontfix". Thoughts? -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#2297: Able to reproduce, behavior of other terminal emulators, thoughts?

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
ot;best failure mode". This may well be a "wontfix". Thoughts? -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Plans for Lenny's install-info

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
(pinfo for instance) So that should be added to the transition plan. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "It's just a goddamned piece of paper." -- President Bush, referring to the US Constitution http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml --

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
uire the use of a non-free component, without crippling the system." (4) Replace 'We have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our archive for these works.', the following: "The most vital of these works are included in Debian, but we strive to replace

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
uire the use of a non-free component, without crippling the system." (4) Replace 'We have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our archive for these works.', the following: "The most vital of these works are included in Debian, but we strive to replace

Re: Splitting dselect from dpkg -- acceptable plan?

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
more likely, given its contents, multiple libraries), with a single purpose, and a public, exported interface providing well-documented utilities for that purpose. Since this hasn't happened in the long time dpkg has been developed, however, I suspect that there's a fundamental

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
>Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> Without this exception, if the DFSG were followed literally, most >> license texts could not be shipped in Debian and would have to be >> shipped alongside Debian instead, which would be very annoying. > MJ Ray

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
>Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> Without this exception, if the DFSG were followed literally, most >> license texts could not be shipped in Debian and would have to be >> shipped alongside Debian instead, which would be very annoying. > MJ Ray

Splitting dselect from dpkg -- acceptable plan?

2007-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
OK. So I managed to construct a dselect source package which builds independently of dpkg. It required duplicating substantial portions of lib/ . I intend that to be temporary. Until those portions are gone, I will keep an eye on any changes made to lib/ in dpkg. My plan for dselect is to make

Bug#282283: Splitting dselect from dpkg -- acceptable plan?

2007-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
OK. So I managed to construct a dselect source package which builds independently of dpkg. It required duplicating substantial portions of lib/ . I intend that to be temporary. Until those portions are gone, I will keep an eye on any changes made to lib/ in dpkg. My plan for dselect is to make

Bug#282283: Splitting dselect from dpkg -- acceptable plan?

2007-04-16 Thread Nathanael Nerode
OK. So I managed to construct a dselect source package which builds independently of dpkg. It required duplicating substantial portions of lib/ . I intend that to be temporary. Until those portions are gone, I will keep an eye on any changes made to lib/ in dpkg. My plan for dselect is to make

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing/freeness issue

2007-04-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I wrote: >> Historically, this exception has been an unwritten assumption; in most >> discussions, this exception has been agreed on by everyone involved. Wouter Verhelst wrote: >If that is the case, then why would it be necessary to write this down >in the DFSG? Personally, I don't think we ne

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing/freeness issue

2007-04-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I wrote: >> Historically, this exception has been an unwritten assumption; in most >> discussions, this exception has been agreed on by everyone involved. Wouter Verhelst wrote: >If that is the case, then why would it be necessary to write this down >in the DFSG? Personally, I don't think we ne

Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This is a proposed text for a GR. I can't actually propose a GR (not a DD), so I request that someone else who cares propose it or a similar proposal. ---begin proposed GR--- Resolved: That the DFSG shall be amended, by inserting at the end of clause 3, in italics: (There is a special exceptio

Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This is a proposed text for a GR. I can't actually propose a GR (not a DD), so I request that someone else who cares propose it or a similar proposal. ---begin proposed GR--- Resolved: That the DFSG shall be amended, by inserting at the end of clause 3, in italics: (There is a special exceptio

I request that my rejection message, if any, be published

2007-04-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have been told by a third party that I was rejected from the NM process. I have never received any message to that effect. My email has admittedly been unreliable. It appears that I was removed from the NM database recently, so I assume that the i

Re: Can we orphan dlocate?

2007-04-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 11:45:58PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The maintainer appears to have lost interest in the package (last upload >> 1999). >> It's also his only package; he is probably

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The trademark holder hereby grants permission to any person to use the >> trademark >> (and derivative marks) in any way except one: you may not use it to falsely >>

Re: Can we orphan dlocate?

2007-04-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Craig Sanders wrote: >>> Debian deliberately.) >> I don't think Craig has left debian. :) > > no, i haven't. i've been a bit pre-occupied with health issues over the last > few years. Sorry. I know what that's like, been doing that myself lately.

Can we orphan dlocate?

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
ocating it, so he may have left Debian deliberately.) Given the various NMUs I suspect that this one would be picked up quite quickly, but I'm sure nobody wants to step on the maintainer's toes Given the presence of bugs as old as seven years, it clearly needs a new maintainer.

Bug#302964: ...and it's also fixed....

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
close 392964 0.99.33-1.3 thanks Luckily this bug was fixed in an NMU. This package could use a maintainer upload to wrap up all those fixed bugs though -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Insert famous quote here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subj

Bug#302964: ...and it's also fixed....

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
close 392964 0.99.33-1.3 thanks Luckily this bug was fixed in an NMU. This package could use a maintainer upload to wrap up all those fixed bugs though -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Insert famous quote here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subj

Bug#302964: This bug is serious

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
severity 302964 serious thanks Failure to list copyright holder in debian/copyright is "serious", since it's a major policy violation. Especially when it's been waiting for TWO YEARS. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A thousand reasons. http://www.thousa

Bug#303146: Closing bug with no response

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
close 303146 thanks This bug was pinged in 2005 and the submitter didn't respond. It appears to be a bug which only happens with misconfiguration. This shouldn't remain open. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoti

Bug#303146: Closing bug with no response

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
close 303146 thanks This bug was pinged in 2005 and the submitter didn't respond. It appears to be a bug which only happens with misconfiguration. This shouldn't remain open. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoti

Bug#232345: Control sequences document now not located anywhere

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Debian's 'xterm' package. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#232345: Control sequences document now not located anywhere

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Debian's 'xterm' package. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Make sure your vote will count. http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: inappropriate use of Debian Official Use Logo

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
approval is given by Debian for its use in this purpose" Which pretty much covers it. Now, whether that's a reasonable license is another matter -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Read it and weep. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Text_of_Gore_speech_0116.html -- T

Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
enting the codebase for the Firefox web browser, and any work closely based on it. --- Thoughts welcome. Also, please feel free to forward this to anyone who's doing something about the 'logo issues'. -- Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Insert famous quote here] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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