Re: [Tutor] New to programming and Python
Jorge Azedo escreveu: > Hi guys ( and gals ) > > I'm totally new to the whole programming scene (I decided to enter it > for many reasons, one of which is the fact that I *want* to know how to > program my computer) and I decided to start out with Python. I'm reading > lots of tutorials on it, trying to understand how to work with it, but > for some reason or another, it all seems a great mess to me. Am I doing > something wrong? Also, can anyone give me any pointers on how to start > working with Python? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can give me > - Jorge > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > > > Well, I´m also kind of new to the scene, so I still don´t know much. But you can try this book that I´ve been reading: Dive Into Python: http://www.diveintopython.org/ (you can download the PDF from there, which I belive has already a group of exemples to see when using the book). Also I´ve been reading the Python Wikibook that you can download from here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Python (it still has a few parts missing but it can give you a few pointers). (The part below problaby won´t make sense except if you are portuguese) I don´t know what type of Netcabo you have, if you want I can upload the pdf to a national host to count national traffic :) ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New to programming and Python (Jorge Azedo)
I tought that we could only speak English in here :D Also I'm newer to python, about a mounth and a half since I started studing it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: > Parece que ja temos elementos para estabelecer uma comunidade portuguesa de > Python ;-) > > Jorge, > > Sugiro os tutoriais do site www.devshed.com. são simples e explicam bem o > significado do codigo! > > Tb sou novo na programação, tenho ai 6 meses de Python. > > A Caixa Magica promove cursos de Python em Lisboa, este ano houve ja 2 de 3 > dias, penso que em Fevereiro e Junho. > > Força, isto no inicio parece confuso, mas breve faz-se luz! > > Paulino > > > Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > >>>2. New to programming and Python (Jorge Azedo) >>> >>7. Re: New to programming and Python (rolando) >> >> >> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:44:41 +0100 >> From: rolando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Tutor] New to programming and Python >> To: tutor@python.org >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Jorge Azedo escreveu: >> >>> Hi guys ( and gals ) >>> >>> I'm totally new to the whole programming scene (I decided to enter it >>> for many reasons, one of which is the fact that I *want* to know how to >>> program my computer) and I decided to start out with Python. I'm reading >>> lots of tutorials on it, trying to understand how to work with it, but >>> for some reason or another, it all seems a great mess to me. Am I doing >>> something wrong? Also, can anyone give me any pointers on how to start >>> working with Python? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any help you can give me >>> - Jorge >>> ___ >>> Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Well, I?m also kind of new to the scene, so I still don?t know much. >> >> But you can try this book that I?ve been reading: >> Dive Into Python: >> http://www.diveintopython.org/ (you can download the PDF from there, >> which I belive has already a group of exemples to see when using the book). >> >> Also I?ve been reading the Python Wikibook that you can download from here: >> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Python (it still has a few parts missing >> but it can give you a few pointers). >> >> >> (The part below problaby won?t make sense except if you are portuguese) >> >> I don?t know what type of Netcabo you have, if you want I can upload the >> pdf to a national host to count national traffic :) >> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor >> >> >> End of Tutor Digest, Vol 32, Issue 110 >> ** >> >> > > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > > > ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Mailing list question
I just use the reply button in my Thunderbird, and then change the email I want to send to tutor@python.org Jorge Azedo escreveu: > Danny Yoo wrote: > >> Not so much a question about Python, but here goes: How do I reply to a specific thread in the mailing list? If I place "Re:bla bla" in the subject line, I notice that I start a new thread, I don't continue one that already exists. How do I go about doing this? Thanks for any info >>> What e-mail client are you using? Most have a reply-to-all button >>> you can use so that you won't have to start a new message to reply to >>> someone. >>> >> There's a little bit of extra information that Mailman uses to detect >> threads. The archives don't cluster messages based on the subject >> line, but instead use a specific header value whose name I'm >> completely forgetting right now... *grin* (I think it's the >> 'In-Reply-To' header line.) Your email client should be the one >> responsible for maintaining that threading information. >> >> > I'm trying to use the Reply All button on my mail client (I use > Thunderbird, by the way) like you guys suggested. Let's see if it works > :-P > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > > > ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Mailing list question
Oh, ok :D Luke Paireepinart escreveu: > rolando wrote: >> I just use the reply button in my Thunderbird, and then change the >> email I want to send to tutor@python.org > It's better to use reply-all, in my opinion, because then, if > someone's involved in an e-mail thread, they'll get an instant > update on it even if they only get the Tutor Digest and not every > individual mail. > Cheers, > -Luke > > ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] Witch gui to choose for this script?
Well, I don't know if I can ask this question here, but never mind that :) It´s like this, I created this python script that translates "human language" to Al-bhed language (it's a language from the game Final Fantasy 10, it's basicly a change in the letters for example A becomes W or B become H). Since I like the script, and it's my first "program", I am now trying to create a GUI for it. So what do you recommend? I'm going to attach the script, just in case you want to see it. #!/usr/bin/python #V 0.4 import string contador = "s" # Cria um contador que verifica que deve ou nao executar o script while contador.lower() == "s" or contador.lower() == "sim": # Enquanto o valor for "s" ou "sim" o programa nao sai (converte a palavra em minusculas) print "Escolhe a lingua que queres traduzir. [p]ortugues ou [a]l-bhed" lingua = raw_input() # Escolhe a lingua if lingua.isspace() == True: # Se "lingua" e constituida por espacos em branco print "Tens de escrever alguma coisa ok?" if lingua == "": # Se lingua estiver vazia print "Tens de escrever alguma coisa ok?" if lingua.lower() == "a" or lingua.lower() == "al-bhed": lista = string.maketrans('abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ', 'epstiwknuvgclrybxhmdofzqajEPSTIWKNUVGCLRYBXHMDOFZQAJ') # Cria a lista de palavra e de que maneira vao ser trocadas print "Escreve a palavra que queres traduzir." palavra = raw_input() # Pede por uma palavra print "" + palavra.translate(lista) + "" # Imprime as palavras trocadas if lingua.lower() == "p" or lingua.lower() == "portugues": lista = string.maketrans('abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ', 'ypltavkrezgmshubxncdijfqowYPLTAVkREZGMSHUBXNCDIJFQOW') # Cria a lista de palavra e de que maneira vao ser trocadas print "Escreve a palavra que queres traduzir." palavra = raw_input() # Pede por uma palavra print "" + palavra.translate(lista) + "" # Imprime as palavras trocadas print "Ainda tens mais alguma coisa para traduzir? [S/N]" contador = raw_input() # Modifica o contador que esta inicio do script if contador.lower() == "n" or contador.lower() == "nao": # Se contador igual a "n" ou "nao" minusculos print "Entao adeus." ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Witch gui to choose for this script?
If you're just going for a simple two-textbox, one button, 'type here, hit the button, and the translated text appears in the other box' Yeah, its something like that :D Nothing to much fancy, it just that it can get kind of boring always going to the linux console to run the script. I'm going to try the Boa Contructor. >I'm going to attach the script, just in case you want to see it. Good job on attaching the script! I did want to see it. I can't read the comments, though, but I think I got what it was doing. Yeah, I kind of forgot to translate the comments. Now I have attached the script with the translated comments. Also any comments about the program are welcome. Luke Paireepinart escreveu: rolando wrote: Well, I don't know if I can ask this question here, but never mind that :) It´s like this, I created this python script that translates "human language" to Al-bhed language (it's a language from the game Final Fantasy 10, it's basicly a change in the letters for example A becomes W or B become H). Since I like the script, and it's my first "program", I am now trying to create a GUI for it. So what do you recommend? I don't think something like this lends itself to a particular GUI set, so the question I have to ask you is: Do you feel lucky? Just kidding. It's really up to you on this one. TKInter would probably be easier to learn, since it's your first program. You could go the route of a GUI builder such as Boa Constructor, but I'd recommend that you learn how to use a GUI toolkit before you use a builder, so that you know exactly what the builder is automating for you. However, are you sure you want to jump into a GUI right now? If you're just going for a simple two-textbox, one button, 'type here, hit the button, and the translated text appears in the other box' type thing, and not something fancy, I guess it's about as simple of an introduction to a GUI toolkit as you can get, aside from a label that says "Hello, World" or other such thing. Just remember that it's important that you have a firm understanding of python's built-ins, and I guess Python in general, before you start trying to use a big external package like a GUI toolkit, and a little up-front time learning the basics will help you a great deal in the long run. >I'm going to attach the script, just in case you want to see it. Good job on attaching the script! I did want to see it. I can't read the comments, though, but I think I got what it was doing. Good luck in whatever you choose to do. -Luke #!/usr/bin/python #V 0.4 import string contador = "s" # Creates a counter that checks if it should run the script or not while contador.lower() == "s" or contador.lower() == "sim": # While the counter is a lower s or sim (that's yes in portuguese) the program doesn't quit print "Escolhe a lingua que queres traduzir. [p]ortugues ou [a]l-bhed" lingua = raw_input() # Chosse the language to translate if lingua.isspace() == True: # If "lingua" is only white space print "Tens de escrever alguma coisa ok?" if lingua == "": # If "lingua" is empty print "Tens de escrever alguma coisa ok?" if lingua.lower() == "a" or lingua.lower() == "al-bhed": lista = string.maketrans('abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ', 'epstiwknuvgclrybxhmdofzqajEPSTIWKNUVGCLRYBXHMDOFZQAJ') # Creates the list of letter, and the way they are going to be changed print "Escreve a palavra que queres traduzir." palavra = raw_input() # Ask for a word print "" + palavra.translate(lista) + "" # Print the translated words if lingua.lower() == "p" or lingua.lower() == "portugues": lista = string.maketrans('abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ', 'ypltavkrezgmshubxncdijfqowYPLTAVkREZGMSHUBXNCDIJFQOW') # Creates the list of letter, and the way they are going to be changed print "Escreve a palavra que queres traduzir." palavra = raw_input() # Ask for a word print "" + palavra.translate(lista) + "" # Print the translated words print "Ainda tens mais alguma coisa para traduzir? [S/N]" contador = raw_input() # Possibility of changing the counter in the begging of the script if contador.lower() == "n" or contador.lower() == "nao": # If counter equals lower "n" or "nao" (that portugues for no) the program quits and prints the lower message print "Entao adeus." ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] (no subject)
adam urbas escreveu: Hi,I just started python today and I would like a few pointers, if you don't mind. I tried using a tutorial, but was only able to get the correct results for the most basic problems. # Area calculation programprint “Welcome to the Area calculation program”print “–”print# Print out the menu:print “Please select a shape:”print “1 Rectangle”print “2 Circle”# Get the user’s choice:shape = input(“> “)# Calculate the area:if shape == 1:height = input(“Please enter the height: “)width = input(“Please enter the width: “)area = height*widthprint “The area is”, areaelse:radius = input(“Please enter the radius: “)area = 3.14*(radius**2)print “The area is”, areaI've been trying to get this to work. I was on a forum on Google and they said to put:input("press ENTER to continue")at the end. I did, but it didn't work. It runs the program but just shuts itself off when its done and i don't even get to select any of the option things that i'm s upposed to be able to select. It just turns on then back off and I don't even get to see anything. Could someone help me out.ThanksAdam _ Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor First, welcome to the world of Python. :D Second. please give a title when you start a new thread on a mailing list. Third, format your posts and code. Since Python uses indented code, it's kinda hard to read it when it's all in one line (Don't worry, I'll paste it indented in a file attached to this email :D ) Now for the code. After arranging the code, the first thing I noticed were this characters “ ” I tried running the code, and if gave me a error there, so I just replace then with " ", and voilá, the code worked :D . So the lesson here is always use either " " or ' ' in the code. Oh, also another thing. Don't use input() to get the user input, because that command can run code and it may be evilly used. Always use raw_input() instead :D . Anyway, I hope I helped you, -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ #!/usr/bin/python # Area calculation program print "Welcome to the Area calculation program" print "âââââââââââââ" print # Print out the menu: print "Please select a shape:" print "1 Rectangle" print "2 Circle" # Get the userâs choice: shape = input("> ") # Calculate the area: if shape == 1: height = input("Please enter the height: ") width = input("Please enter the width: ") area = height*width print "The area is", area else: radius = input("Please enter the radius: ") area = 3.14*(radius**2) print "The area is", area ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] two input acceptions
adam urbas escreveu: > Thanks for the help. I've made quite some progress since I first posted this > email. I have a question though, what did you mean when you were talking > about the raw_input( )? How can the regular input( ) be used evilly? If you > could explain in depth, I would be very grateful. I have a new question > related to my program area.py., I guess it's the same one as before. When I > run the program and input the rectangle option, it asks me for a radius, > unless I input 1, instead of rectangle. How do I program it to accept both 1 > and rectangle?> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:55:20 +0100> From: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: tutor@python.org> Subject: Re: [Tutor] > (no subject)> > adam urbas escreveu:> > Hi,I just started python today and I > would like a few pointers, if you don't mind. I tried using a tutorial, but > was only able to get the correct results for the most basic problems. # Area > calculation programprint “Welcome to the Area calculation program”print “–– –––”print# Print out the menu:print “Please select a shape:”print “1 Rectangle”print “2 Circle”# Get the user’s choice:shape = input(“> “)# Calculate the area:if shape == 1:height = input(“Please enter the height: “)width = input(“Please enter the width: “)area = height*widthprint “The area is”, areaelse:radius = input(“Please enter the radius: “)area = 3.14*(radius**2)print “The area is”, areaI've been trying to get this to work. I was on a forum on Google and they said to put:input("press ENTER to continue")at the end. I did, but it didn't work. It runs the program but just shuts itself off when its done and i don't even get to select any of the option things that i'm s> upposed to be able to select. It just turns on then back off and I don't even get to see anything. Could someone help me out.ThanksAdam> > _> > Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your cont acts to Windows Live Hotmail.> > www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507> > > > > > > > > > ___> > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor> > First, welcome to the world of Python. :D> Second. please give a title when you start a new thread on a mailing list.> Third, format your posts and code. Since Python uses indented code, it's > kinda hard to read it when it's all in one line (Don't worry, I'll paste > it indented in a file attached to this email :D )> > Now for the code.> > After arranging the code, the first thing I noticed were this characters “ ”> > I tried running the code, and if gave me a error there, so I just > replace then with " ", and voilá, the code worked :D . So the lesson > here is always use either " " or ' ' in the code.> > Oh, a lso another thing. Don't use input() to get the user input, because > that command can run code and it may be evilly used. Always use > raw_input() instead :D .> > Anyway, I hope I helped you,> > > -- > _> ASCII ribbon campaign ( )> - against HTML email X> & vCards / \ > _ > Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live > Hotmail. > www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507 First of all, what email client are you using? Because the text is getting all weird and difficult to read (it's all in one line, with no paragraphs and things like that). Now, the thing about input() and why it's not a good policy to use is that, unlike raw_input(), what type in a input() is executed by Python (in raw_input() is stored as a string). Example: var = raw_input() >> list("LOL") Now we have a variable called var which contains the string that says 'list("LOL")' You can confirm that by typing: print var >> 'list("LOL") There, no harm done. Now let's try the same thing using the input() command: var = input() >> list("LOL") Now let's type "print var" again as we did before. print var >> ['L', 'O'. 'L'] Now what happened? Because you used the input() command, what you type was interpreted by Python, instead of being stored in a string and since the list() command is used to create a list, Python did just that. He created a list. Now, in this example, no harm was done. But image someone typing the command os.system("command to delete some file or run some file"). That would send a delete command to the terminal, or install some file (it could even be a virus). Ok, it's a little harder to explain, but the thing you should is that usually raw_input() = GOOD, input() = BAD. Now, I couldn't quite understand
Re: [Tutor] "#!/usr/bin/env python" vs "#!/usr/local/bin/python"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: > Okay, I guess, people are missing points here. > > When do you > > #!/usr/local/bin/python > You are specifying the location to the python executable in your machine, > that rest of the script needs to be interpreted with. > You are pointing to python is located at /usr/local/bin/python > > Consider the possiblities that in a different machine, python may be > installed at /usr/bin/python or /bin/python in those cases, the above #! will > fail. > For those cases, we get to call the env executable with argument which will > determine the arguments path by searching in the $PATH and use it correctly. > > Thus, > #/usr/bin/env python > Will figure out the correct location of python ( /usr/bin/python or > /bin/python from $PATH) and make that as the interpreter for rest of the > script. > - ( env is almost always located in /usr/bin/ so one need not worry what is > env is not present at /usr/bin) > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor I've always used #!/usr/bin/python... Perhaps I should use the "#!/usr/bin/env python" one. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Hi,every one
Yang Yang escreveu: > i am a newman for python world > > i have some word want to ask > > > 1.what is the best book for python study. > I like Dive into Python. ( http://www.diveintopython.org/ ) > 2.what's is the better IDE for python > That depends on what OS you are. > > Thanks for all > > > > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] How to Practice Python?(Linpeiheng)
Alan Gauld wrote: > There are no such things > as standard solutions to programming problems, its not like > doing math! But usually there is "The Right Way". I think... -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The name of the module
János Juhász wrote: > Dear Tutors, > > there was a thread some weeks ago about > how can we find out > what is the name of the current module, > where the function was loaded from, > where the function running from or so, > with some magic. > > I can't find it in the archive. > > May someone help me with some reference about it ? > > Yours sincerely, > __ > János Juhász > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > > I can only find something back in February of this year. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2007-February/052914.html Don't know if that's what you're after though. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] getting filen basename without extension
Timmie wrote: > Hello, > I would like to get the name of a file without it's extension/suffix. > > What is the easiest and fastes way to get the basename > of a file wihout extension? > > What I found is this: > import os > myfile_name_with_path = 'path/to/my/testfile.txt' > basename = os.path.basename(myfile_with_path) > filename = os.path.splitext(basename) > myfile_name_without_suffix = filename[0] > > Can this be done with less code? > > Thanks and kind regards, > Timmie > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > > I did something like this: import os path = 'path/to/file.ext' filename = path.split(".")[0].split("/")[-1] print filename >>> file The only problem I see is if the file has some "." character besides the one before the extention. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Even More Converter!
Kepala Pening wrote: > import re > > num = 123456789 > > print ','.join(re.findall("\d{3}", str(num))) > > output: > 123,456,789 > [snip] The problem with that is that it cuts the digits in the end of the number, if they can't form a 3 digit value. Example: import re n = 1234 print ",".join(re.findall("\d{3}", str(n))) Output: 123, instead of 1,234 I think the use of a function would be better. def convert_num(num): num = map(lambda x: int(x), str(num)) num.reverse() k=0 tmp_number = [] for i in range(len(num)): if k == 2 and i != range(len(num))[-1]: tmp_number.append(num[i]) tmp_number.append(",") k = 0 else: tmp_number.append(num[i]) k += 1 num = map(lambda n: str(n), tmp_number) num.reverse() num = "".join(num) return num First it converts the number into a list in which each digit is a separate member. Then it reverses that list (because when we want to add the commas, we start to count from the right and not from the left, that is, it's 1,234 and not 123,4). Next a few loop variables (k and tmp_number), and we loop through the "num" list, appending it's reversed digits into "tmp_number", except when we have added 2 numbers without adding a comma, so we append the next number AND a comma. When the cycle ends, tmp_number is a list of ints with "," string separating groups of 3 numbers. In the end, it make "num" the same as "tmp_number", with all it's members turned to strings (didn't knew that join() only worked with strings in a list), reverse it (so it returns the same number that was in the beginning, and joins everything into a string. Example: n = 1234 convert_num(n) Output: 1,234 -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Even More Converter!
Alan Gauld wrote: > > If that is important you might need to investigate a locale specific > way of defining the seperator. I know Windows has hooks to get > it from the local settings but I'm not sure about *nix and I don't > know if Python has a generic way. > > This might not matter to you in practice , but I thought I'd > mention it just in case... > There is always the shell command "locale". ___ import subprocess output = subprocess.Popen("locale | grep NUMERIC", shell=True, \ stdout=subprocess.PIPE) print output.communicate()[0] LC_NUMERIC="pt_PT.UTF-8" (In my case) ___ The problem with this is that it assumes the default shell is properly setted up (which may not be the case, for example this output happens in Bash, but in ZSH it gives en_US.UTF-8), which may not be the case. -- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X & vCards / \ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor