Re: [Tutor] Python Editor to Start Out WithTutor Digest, Vol 92, Issue 123

[cyclicf...@yahoo.com]

With reference to a beginning editor,  if you want to go heavy-weight go  
vim.  Now I'm not a python expert,  but I will say vim is prolly a little  
harder than emacs,  however scripting in vim has many similarities to  
various types in python.  The python forloop is definitely very similar to  
that of vim.  Plus, vim may be configured for use with ipython(enhanced  
interactive python shell) But those are as previously mentioned very complex  
editors.  There are others that although aren't totally as powerful will  
make things infinitely easier to learn. The thing that's nice about others  
that are ready to roll once installed, the ease in use let's you focus on  
learning the programming. Some of these more user friendly editors are:  
spyder(python editor with lots of features), or geany,  which is probably  
the more widespread.  These will with a click or few clicks provide  
syntax+highlighting+syntax error-checking setup. This can be difficult in  
the traditional text editors vim+ emacs,(I know vim) have to be compiled  
with certain support, as well as then have plugins installed/created,  and  
alot of things configured. But if you wanna go w/a text editor+ python try  
out swaroop's site.  He has two books,  A Byte of Python, and A Byte of Vim.  
They are great for introduction stuff.  But in the end learning one well  
makes it far easier than learning both at the same time.  Good Luck!! 


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I am New To Python.
I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
Can Someone Help Me ?
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Rinu Boney wrote:

I am New To Python.
I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!


If you don't know anything about emacs, and you don't know anything 
about Python, why do you want to make things ten times more difficult by 
learning a new language AND the most heavyweight, complex editor at the 
same time?


I recommend you use a more friendly editor. You haven't mentioned what 
operating system you are using. If you are using Linux with the KDE 
desktop, I recommend you use a good, modern GUI editor like Kate as your 
editor. Other people might prefer different editors, but I've come to 
like Kate the best.


Personally, I recommend against IDEs. I find that they are 
over-complicated and get in the way. I've seen too many people 
struggling because their IDE changes the way their code works. I 
recommend you keep your code open in an editor, an interactive session 
open in a good xterm, and a second xterm tab open for running your 
script. That's my preference.


But, if you still want to use Emacs as a Python IDE, have you tried 
searching for "python emacs ide"?


https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=python%20emacs%20ide



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* Steven D'Aprano  [111030 07:40]:

Rinu Boney wrote:
>I am New To Python.
>I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
>I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!

If you don't know anything about emacs, and you don't know anything 
about Python, why do you want to make things ten times more difficult by

Re: [Tutor] Python Editor

[cyclicf...@yahoo.com]

I agree,  pyscripter if using windows used to be my favorite,  and is in the  
top 3 favorite python editors. Based on your tastes and your editor  
selection I'd say that you might like another batteries-included(not much  
config, autocomplete, ability to test code/etc... ) editor for python native  
to both Windows &  Linux would be that of Aptana Studio(primary focus is  
that of web), customized from eclipse however depending on the distro you  
use is may have to be compiled. But pydev(Aptana's python-based plugin) is  
included with Aptana Studio. If indeed the lack of a pre-configured  
system-ready package/compiling from source is not enticing, then one can use  
the pkg-management conducive to your distro and install eclipse(as most  
distros have that). Then go to the plug-in installation in Eclipse's help  
menu and install pydev,  from I believe http://pydev.org. Its def.  A great  
editor,  and I have used it alot,  and the fact both windows,  and linux use  
it your able to seamlessly resume your work no matter what os your using.   
But Wine most certainly isnt bad and I have gotten if memory serves me  
correctly pyscripter to work on my archlinux install.  Some other editors  
that are more so geared towards python development on linux are cream/pida,  
eric,  &  spyder(probably most similar to pyscripter). My one concern with  
pyscripter I believe is that its not being updated currently(I could be  
wrong, but I think thats what I last saw. ).  Good luck! 

Will 


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However I stumbled upon PyScripter and I find it really amazing.

Pity it is only for Windows.


WINE?

Ramit

I?concur. Pyscripter , though?I've?only installed it a few days ago, seems  
to be one of the better ones. I am?running?it in a virtualbox winXP on top  
of?Linux?Ubuntu, but i love the simply way you can use tkinter from a  
server? No muss no fuss. Just install and go. I understand that the way it  
had been built, it can't be readily ported to Linux. Mores the pity.


Ken



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Tony Pelletier wrote:


Missing a return statement in the case of an exception.


Can you explain this?  Why would I want the return on the exception?


Because if you don't, it will return None.


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Re: [Tutor] How I overcame my problems executing python programs.

[cyclicf...@yahoo.com]

I've just received this e-mail on my android and believe that the above  
advice is good(as always), this list is great for beginners as there are a  
never-ending amt. Of talented/knowledgable ppl. Available. Additionally, I  
love Eclipse's Pydev(Comes incl. 'd) already in  
AptanaStudio(Eclipse-derivative for web-development and best of all python.  
Its very new, and although there is a commercial version, they provide full  
features to the free Aptana version. If you go this route, there is one less  
step, and me starting python a year or so ago, it was a life-saver. The  
other life-saver was the pydoc feature that comes with the std. Python  
Windows installation. Its amazing and if my memory serves correctly in  
Windows IDLE launched from the help menu.  Thats great for quickly  
referencing things. But good luck!! 


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I realized that my computer was running the programs.  The black box was  
flashing off and disappearing immediately, so that I never saw the programs.  
Also, I am using Notepad++, in addition to IDLE.  I am now able to see my  
programs and provide user input, when I use Notepad++.

Also, I still have not fully overcome, I am slowly on my way to success.
I am working vigorously on Python, but only 10% of my time is learning  
Python.  The rest of my time is learning everything related to Python, to  
get my programs to work.
I greatly appreciate everyone's help!  I cannot thank each of you enough.   
Thanks for being there when I need someone!  Have a wonderful day!








		 	   		  
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That's the nature of things I'm afraid. 

I do about half of my development on windows. My recomendation, download  
eclipse and install pydev. IDE choice is always a touchy subject but for  
windows, this should be your choice.


I have notepad++ as well. Its great. But eclipse is better, especially for  
learning. I can't describe how much it helped me.





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I am very appreciative for the many valuable individuals who graciously take  
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