I've just received this e-mail on my android and believe that the above
advice is good(as always), this list is great for beginners as there are a
never-ending amt. Of talented/knowledgable ppl. Available. Additionally, I
love Eclipse's Pydev(Comes incl. 'd) already in
AptanaStudio(Eclipse-derivative for web-development and best of all python.
Its very new, and although there is a commercial version, they provide full
features to the free Aptana version. If you go this route, there is one less
step, and me starting python a year or so ago, it was a life-saver. The
other life-saver was the pydoc feature that comes with the std. Python
Windows installation. Its amazing and if my memory serves correctly in
Windows IDLE launched from the help menu. Thats great for quickly
referencing things. But good luck!!
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3. more about how I overcame not being able to run my programs
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4. Re: more about how I overcame not being able to run my
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5. Re: how I overcame the problem "I cannot run Python programs"
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:12:37 -0500
From: Tamar Osher <emeraldoff...@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [Tutor] how I overcame the problem "I cannot run Python
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I realized that my computer was running the programs. The black box was
flashing off and disappearing immediately, so that I never saw the programs.
Also, I am using Notepad++, in addition to IDLE. I am now able to see my
programs and provide user input, when I use Notepad++.
Also, I still have not fully overcome, I am slowly on my way to success.
I am working vigorously on Python, but only 10% of my time is learning
Python. The rest of my time is learning everything related to Python, to
get my programs to work.
I greatly appreciate everyone's help! I cannot thank each of you enough.
Thanks for being there when I need someone! Have a wonderful day!
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That's the nature of things I'm afraid.
I do about half of my development on windows. My recomendation, download
eclipse and install pydev. IDE choice is always a touchy subject but for
windows, this should be your choice.
I have notepad++ as well. Its great. But eclipse is better, especially for
learning. I can't describe how much it helped me.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:39:53 -0500
From: Tamar Osher <emeraldoff...@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [Tutor] more about how I overcame not being able to run my
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I am very appreciative for the many valuable individuals who graciously take
their precious time to help others in need. Special thanks to:
Brian van den Broek,Bob Gailer,and Hugo Arts.
I followed all the instructions of Hugo, Bob, and Brian. This is
specifically what I am now doing so that I can see the programs that I run,
and also be able to provide user input:
try: import os # my programfinally: input ('\n\t\t\tPress the enter
key to continue.') os.system ('pause')
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:51:47 +0000
From: Alan Gauld <alan.ga...@btinternet.com>
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On 15/03/12 22:39, Tamar Osher wrote:
try:
import os
# my program
finally:
input ('\n\t\t\tPress the enter key to continue.')
os.system ('pause')
It's more conventional to put the import at the very top, before the
try: line.
But otherwise what you have should be fine. There are other ways of
doing it and eventually you may write programs that don't require the
press enter... line and you can then miss out all of the code above. But
for learning that's fine.
Or just run your programs inside IDLE or, as someone else suggested,
Eclipse and PyDev (although personally that seems like overkill!)
--
Alan G
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:29:37 +0000
From: Mark Lawrence <breamore...@yahoo.co.uk>
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On 15/03/2012 22:30, eire1...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the nature of things I'm afraid.
I do about half of my development on windows. My recomendation, download
eclipse and install pydev. IDE choice is always a touchy subject but for
windows, this should be your choice.
I have notepad++ as well. Its great. But eclipse is better, especially for
learning. I can't describe how much it helped me.
I believe that eclipse is crap. I tried it 10 years ago and gave up
because it was so slow. I tried it a couple of months ago for two weeks
and again gave up for the same reasons. Why not stick with pythonwin,
it's perfectly adequate for my needs?
--
Cheers.
Mark Lawrence.
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:35:35 +1100
From: Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info>
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Alan Gauld wrote:
On 15/03/12 22:39, Tamar Osher wrote:
try:
import os
# my program
finally:
input ('\n\t\t\tPress the enter key to continue.')
os.system ('pause')
It's more conventional to put the import at the very top, before the
try: line.
True, but in this case, if there is an import error, the message will flash
by
without being read. Wrapping the *entire* program, imports and all, ensures
that the program will pause regardless of what happens.
--
Steven
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 01:10:39 +0000
From: Alan Gauld <alan.ga...@btinternet.com>
To: tutor@python.org
Subject: Re: [Tutor] how I overcame the problem "I cannot run Python
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On 16/03/12 00:29, Mark Lawrence wrote:
I have notepad++ as well. Its great. But eclipse is better, especially
for learning. I can't describe how much it helped me.
I believe that eclipse is crap.
No, it's not crap, it's one of the most powerful and extensible
development tools available and used by thousands (millions?) of
professional programmers worldwide. But...
> I tried it 10 years ago and gave up because it was so slow.
It's written in Java and 10 years ago few PCs had the horsepower to run
Java well, and the Java compilers/VM were less efficient too.
I tried it a couple of months ago for two weeks and again gave up
> for the same reasons.
Unless you are still using the same 10 year old PC it shouldn't have
been that bad! I certainly don't find it any slower than most large apps
these days.
Why not stick with pythonwin, it's perfectly adequate for my needs?
For a beginner to python I tend to agree with you. Not because Eclipse
is slow but because it's way over powered for the simple programs
beginners write. If you want to develop a large application with
dozens/hundreds of files and packages on Windows then Eclipse (or
Netbeans etc) is a useful tool to have. And if you need to develop code
in many different languages again, Eclipse will provide consistency. And
if you need to build design models in UML you get a choice of top-end
tools. But, for single-file programs Pythonwin and even IDLE are
perfectly adequate.
--
Alan G
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/
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