[gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
I have updated to the latest stable (G)vim 7.2.303 & suddenly can no longer copy+paste from Vim into Open Office: it doesn't work at all with Gvim & unpredictably with Vim in a Konsole. I can copy+paste from Most in a Konsole to Open Office as usual. This is on the Fluxbox desktop with Unicode & a generally reliable system. I've checked Gentoo bugs & forum, but there's no sign of the problem. Has anyone else seen this ? Would anyone care to test it ? Could anyone tell me what other pgms/pkgs are involved in copy+paste between different apps on a desktop ? Might it be Poppler ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
100216 Willie Wong wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 03:45:30PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
>> I have updated to the latest stable (G)vim 7.2.303
>> & suddenly can no longer copy+paste from Vim into Open Office:
>> it doesn't work at all with Gvim & unpredictably with Vim in a Konsole.
>> I can copy+paste from Most in a Konsole to Open Office as usual.
>> This is on the Fluxbox desktop with Unicode & a generally reliable system.
> Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste?
Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work
if I high-light with 'v' & the (left-)arrow key(s).
> Can you copy and paste from (g)vim to another Konsole?
Yes, no problem.
> To any other application?
Yes, to Leafpad, Kwrite, (Xfce) Terminal & Xterm.
> What use-flag did you compile (g)vim with?
root:502 ~> eix gvim
[I] app-editors/gvim
Available versions: 7.0.235 ~7.0.243 7.1.123 ~7.1.330 7.2.182 ~7.2.264
7.2.303 ~7.2.359 {acl aqua bash-completion cscope debug gnome gpm gtk motif
netbeans nextaw nls perl python ruby}
Installed versions: 7.2.303([2010-02-15 16:38:53])(gpm gtk motif perl
python -acl -aqua -bash-completion -cscope -debug -gnome -netbeans -nextaw -nls
-ruby)
OO was compiled with :
root:503 ~> eix openoffice
[I] app-office/openoffice
Installed versions: 3.1.1([2010-02-15 15:12:54])(cups dbus gstreamer gtk
java kde nsplugin opengl -aqua -bash-completion -binfilter -debug -eds
-elibc_FreeBSD -gnome -kdeenablefinal -ldap -linguas_af ... -linguas_zu -mono
-odk -pam -templates)
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Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice
100217 Willie Wong wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:42:40AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >>> Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste? >> Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work >> if I high-light with 'v' & the (left-)arrow key(s). > In Gnome you can high-light with mouse, right click, hit copy > and go to another window, right click, and hit paste. I didn't know that one (smile), but only the 1st half works here; when I R-click in the OO file, there's no 'paste' option & using the 'paste' button on the toolbar gives "Requested clipboard format is not available". > Is visual mode even suppose to work for this purpose? > I don't think hitting 'v' and moving left and right > is supposed to dump the selected sections into the copy-paste buffer. I don't know what it's "supposed" to do, but till last Sunday it had been regularly doing a paste into OO after a copy w mouse or 'v'. I didn't update anything else at the same time which seems relevant: Gzip Java-config Pykde Hplip Gnuconfig Psmisc (that's why I mentioned Poppler, which I updated the previous week). >>> Can you copy and paste from (g)vim to another Konsole? >> Yes, no problem. >>> To any other application? >> Yes, to Leafpad, Kwrite, (Xfce) Terminal & Xterm. > So basically the problem is OO then. No ! -- there was no change to OO last weekend, only to (G)vim ! > Can you copy and paste from other applications to OO? Yes, at least from Konsole Terminal Leafpad: I mentioned the Most+Konsole workaround in my OP. > Perhaps it is a problem with encodings? I haven't changed those for a long time, certainly not last weekend. > HTH I'm certainly v grateful for your suggestions, but they don't get anywhere. I assume you don't use both Gvim & OO (7.2.303 & 3.1.1) or you could test it for yourself: can anyone else test this ? Does anyone else have useful thoughts ? If not, it looks like a bug to report. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with virtual/jdk
100218 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > When I run > emerge --ignore-default-opts --pretend --deep --tree --verbose --update > --with-bdeps=y world > I get ... > !!! The following update has been skipped due to unsatisfied dependencies: > virtual/jdk:1.5 > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=dev-java/sun-jdk-1.5.0*" have been > masked. > I don't see why virtual/jdk-1.5.0 is referenced (it is not installed) ... > # eix virtual/jdk > [I] virtual/jdk > Available versions: > (1.4) [M]1.4.1 [M]1.4.2 > (1.5) 1.5.0 > (1.6) 1.6.0 > Installed versions: 1.6.0(1.6)(23:21:11 04/21/09) I have the same result with Eix, but note Equery : root:503 ~> equery d virtual/jdk [ Searching for packages depending on virtual/jdk... ] app-office/openoffice-3.1.1 (java? =virtual/jdk-1.5*) (java? =virtual/jdk-1.6*) dev-db/hsqldb-1.8.0.10 (!java6? =virtual/jdk-1.5*) (java6? >=virtual/jdk-1.6) ... My 'make.conf' has 'java', but not 'java6', so there mb some obscure problem lurking in OO, which I haven't hit yet (Java in OO is largely for DB & help, isn't it ? ). BTW can anyone advise what the '*' means in the list above ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool 2.x upgrade
100226 bn wrote: > I have a stable x86 system that requires still a bit of updating, > among those libtool and gcc. Since I need the system to be usable *now* > for work reasons, I don't feel like updating gcc and rebuilding it all > with an emerge -e system / emerge -e world, > but more and more packages want to upgrade to libtool 2.x > Is it safe to upgrade libtool without (1)rebuilding gcc too > and (2)rebuilding system/world? FWIW I've been using Libtool 2.2.6b since 091212 & GCC 4.3.4 since 091018 without any problems I can remember; I kept GCC 4.1.2 installed as well & use 'quickpkg' to make back-ups. You shouldn't need to rebuild anything else till it comes up naturally. I never do 'emerge world' without '-Dup', but emerge pkgs individually. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] problems with Kdelibs-4.4.1 & PyQt4-4.7
I've submitted bugs for Kdelibs-4.4.1 (308113) & PyQt4-4.7 (308115): check the bug reports for details. Has anyone else seen anything similar ? Does anyone have suggestions ? I'm sure the devs will be helpful, but users may be able to help them too. Thank the gods for Xterm, Xpdf, Feh & KDE 3 ... (grin) -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
100309 Alex Schuster wrote some time ago: > Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change. & today: > But still they are not well. I see 1 improvement & 2 regressions so far; NB I don't use the desktop (that's Fluxbox), only some apps. Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font). I've switched to Xterm for Mutt & may junk Konsole for user terminal too. Gwenview shows a lot of silly little pictures plastered all over folders & there seems to be no way of telling it not to. Do I want a picture of Conrad Black in my big 'people' collection ? -- Yes. Do I want to look at him every time I open Gwenview ? -- No !! Gwenview has regained F2='rename', which it lost after KDE 3 , a plus. Still no 'removed tiles' display in Kmahjongg, so it's still KDE 3 for that & thank the gods for Gentoo making it easy. Still no port of Ksokoban: apparently they can't decide what to name it. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
100311 Alex Schuster wrote: > Philip Webb writes: >> Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty >> (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font). >> I've switched to Xterm for Mutt & may junk Konsole for user terminal too. > I noticed this when I started KDE 4.4 for the first time. > It looked quite different & a bit ugly, but somehow I got used to it. Further experience showed that Xterm's standard font doesn't do Unicode & mouse-scroll doesn't work in Most etc, so I've gone back to Konsole & settled on a tolerable font in 'fixed misc' at size 13 . > I don't use gwenview much. When I used it browsing many photos > and rotating lots of them, it always crashed after a while, > after it hogged very much of my memory. > Just retried that, problem's gone. Hooray! Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now & the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally. Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) & Feh (thumbnail view) to browse around & Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Udev error and how to fix it.
100316 Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> In *nix, no output means no error, >> so it looks like you've already fixed it :) > Actually, I have two problems. The error > plus this stinking Seamonkey 2 sending blank messages. Have you tried Mutt (smile) ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS and hp OfficeJet Pro
100318 Daniel Pielmeier wrote: >> hpcups > Is the new printer driver which replaces the hpijs driver. >> hpijs > See above. Well, I replaced 'hpijs' with 'hpcups' & my printer wouldn't work, so I restored 'hpijs' & dropped 'hpcups' & all was ok. It's an ancient Deskjet 500C with the b+w '500' driver. Installed versions: Cups-1.3.11-r1 Hplip-3.9.12-r1 (both stable). Any comments or helpful suggestions ? -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Image viewer with brightness/contrast adjustments
100325 Dale wrote: > Does someone here use something that is fast to load, small, > will work with KDE and adjust brightness/contrast 'geeqie' -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Image viewer with brightness/contrast adjustments
100325 Dale wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: >> 100325 Dale wrote: >>> Does someone here use something that is fast to load, small, >>> will work with KDE and adjust brightness/contrast >> 'geeqie' > I installed it but can't find any brightness/contrast controls. > Do I have to do something to enable them or something? > [ebuild N ] media-gfx/geeqie-1.0_beta2-r1 USE="exif -lcms -lirc -xmp" > Is the lcms option needed for this? > It is color management according to 'euse -i'. Sorry, I remembered the color management stuff (I have 'lcms') & assumed it also handled brightness/contrast, but on further inspection, it doesn't. Krita claims to manipulate images, but I don't have it installed. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Printing issue
100326 CJoeB wrote: > I have an HP C4795 All-in-One Printer/Scanner/Copier. > I updated my system and the kernel since I last used it. > I send jobs to the printer and they appear in the queue, > but they just hang and won't print. I had the same experience & it turned out to be the new flag 'hpcups', which doesn't work with my antique printer. I recompiled Hplip with 'hpijs' & all was well. Of course, this may not be your problem, but it's something to try. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.7.
100418 dan blum wrote:
> When I try re-emerging the xorg server I got error messages below:
> [ebuild U ] x11-proto/fixesproto-4.1.1 [4.0]
> [ebuild U ] x11-proto/xf86dgaproto-2.1 [2.0.3]
> [ebuild U ] x11-proto/xineramaproto-1.2 [1.1.2]
> [ebuild U ] x11-proto/xf86vidmodeproto-2.3 [2.2.2]
> [ebuild U ] x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.7 [1.6] INPUT_DEVICES="evdev*"
> VIDEO_CARDS="-fbdev* -glint* -mach64* -mga* -neomagic* -nv* -r128* -radeon*
> -savage* -sis* -tdfx* -trident* -vesa* -via* -vmware*"
> [ebuild U ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.6 [1.6.5-r1]
> [blocks B ] (" [blocks B ] (" * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
> * installed at the same time on the same system.
I did this upgrade yesterday without any further problem.
You get around the block by first emerging libXxf86dga libXxf86vm .
As I've reported before to much general derision,
I always emerge pkgs individually & thereby avoid many problems.
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[gentoo-user] weird portage warning
For the past few weeks, I have noticed the following bizarre msg : root:503 ~> emerge -Dup world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies | * Please fix your ebuild to not inherit the deprecated qt3.eclass * Please fix your ebuild to not inherit the deprecated qt3.eclass * Please fix your ebuild to not inherit the deprecated qt3.eclass ... done! Yes, I have the KDE 3 overlay installed, but even so how can a mere user be expected to "fix an ebuild", whatever that may mean anyway. Can anyone enlighten me as to the cause &/or purpose of these repeated msgs ? -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Frozen after Upgrade
100503 Colleen Beamer wrote: > I can't disable my xdm login script. > My computer boots to the login screen > and the keyboard doesn't work so I can'l login to get a terminal session. Yes, it happened to me long ago, after which I decided always to boot to a raw terminal, then do 'startx'. You need to use System Rescue or similar to get into the box, then change your boot procedure to boot to a raw terminal. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote: > I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out Gentoo. Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time & attention, but is not difficult & gives you real control on how you use your machine. > I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo, Not really. > but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images automatically? You can keep your whole Arch & M$ systems in separate partitions, while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside. > I really dont wanna mess up Grub. I use Lilo, which is easier if you don't change things often, but you sb able to find advice re Grub here or on the Gentoo Forum. First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully, then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] replacement for pdftk
100529 Dan Johansson wrote: > After a recent upgrade of Gcc 4.3.4 -> 4.4.3-r2 on an amd64, > Pdftk won't compile anymore. Have you filed a bug ? What is its number ? > Although I like the Pdftk I'm looking for a replacement, > as Pdftk is no more maintained (last release November 28, 2006). I too find Pdftk useful, so please tell us more re your problem. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: XServer hal useflag
100626 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/26/2010 09:24 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: >> I'm a bit confused about the meaning of the hal useflag >> on the x11-base/xorg-server ebuilds nowadays. > Delete everything related to input devices in xorg.conf > and make sure the "udev" USE flag is enabled for xorg-server. I bravely jumped off the cliff, removed 'hal' from 'make.conf' & recompiled Exo Thunar Xorg-server, the only pkgs which used it. Thunar opens ok, but I needed to emerge the testing version of Xorg-server, which has 6 deps + 4 drivers to update too. Everything works even with the refs to mouse + keyboard in 'xorg.conf'; after removing all refs there (incl the 2 AD INIT), it still works ok. Now for 'libpng' ... -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4
100630 Willie Wong wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:52:13PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> unmerge libpng >> delete everything left with libpng in it's name >> emerge -pvuND world just to see what was now busted >> same with revdep-rebuild >> re-emerge libpng and let portage pick the version to merge >> emerge -avuND world >> revdep-rebuild >> repeat till no problems reported >> lafilefixer --justfixit somewhere in the mix just for good measure. > Am I just extremely lucky or something? > libpng was installed, slotted on Tuesday May 11 nothing broke. > Didn't run lafilefixer, but did run revdep-rebuild a few times > and two deep world updates since then. > Should I let my breath out now, or should I not be surprised > if this "problem" hits a few weeks down the road? My experience spread over 2 days was fairly straightforward. (1) Emerged Libpng 1.4.3 ; (2) 'revdep-rebuild' showed 42 rebuilds, some of which wouldn't compile ; (3) 'lafilefixer --justfixit' helped ; (4) 'r-r' showed a much shorter list ; (5) KDE (3 or 4) wouldn't start, so re-merge Qt3 Kdelibs3 & Ksokoban Kmahjongg3 Kworldclock ; (6) re-merged Qt4 (9 pkgs) Kdelibs4 Speedcrunch ; (7) along the way, a few other pkgs needed re-merging, eg Openmotif for Xpdf ; (8) Xulrunner & Openoffice were listed by 'r-r', but seem ok asis ; (9) I deleted the Libpng '12' lib, which is now obsolete. HTH anyone else updating: just allow a few hours for re-merging. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4
100704 Dale wrote: > My KDE wouldn't start either. Actually, kdm wouldn't start. > Sort of have to have one to get to the other. > I didn't like the idea of not having my GUI either. That's why I stopped using a GUI login many years ago (smile). I login to a raw terminal, then 'startx': avoids lots of troubles. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Stable users: libpng-1.4
100705 Grant Edwards wrote: > I had to uninstall a several dozen pkgs before revep-rebuild would work. > After libpng updated, revdep-rebuild choked > because emerge was unable to determine the order to rebuild packages. > After 2-3 hours of unstalling, revdep rebuild finally ran > and then there were several more hours of reinstalling XFCE, gtk etc. > I finally got things going again, but it wasn't fun. I always run 'r-r --pretend', make a list of what it wants to do, then emerge them individually in some hopefully sensible order; 'r-r' is not fully accurate or efficient: eg this time with Libpng 1.4.3 it wanted to rebuild Xulrunner & Openoffice, neither of which was needed. You avoid a lot of hassle when you avoid automating too much. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Stable users: libpng-1.4
100705 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 05 July 2010 09:39:50 Neil Bothwick wrote: >> You must have a lot of X problems to make it worth the hassle of the extra >> steps each you boot up. What's wrong with dropping back to a text login >> on the odd occasions that X or the DE fails to start? > And what about this security risk: > 1. lock screen > 2. go away somewhere > 3. ivan the russian spammer walks by, presses ctrl-alt-f1 > 4. ivan the russian spammer presses ctrl-c > 5. ivan the russian spammer is now *you* > 6. god help you if you ran sudo in the last 5 minutes Only if you're in a cubicle: in your own lockable office or at home, no. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] anyone using Lilo to dual-boot ?
My cousin in England wants to try out Linux & has an Ubuntu Live CD. To help her, I've installed the same on a separate partition in my box. The partition is /dev/sda8 & is formatted ReiserFS. I use Lilo as boot manager & don't want to change to Grub just to offer temporary help to someone, so I refused to let the Ubuntu installer overwrite my MBR, hoping to get Lilo to see Ubuntu via an appropriate 'lilo.conf'. I've managed to get Lilo to add Ubuntu to the boot menu, but only by mounting /dev/sda8 as /z/mount8 & using the line image = /z/mount8/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic However, when I reboot & select that image via its label, I'm getting the hoary old 'VFS: can't open root device "808"'. I've tried adding a dir /z/mount8 in the Ubuntu partition with a symlink of 'boot' to '../../boot' there, but it doesn't help. This does look rather messy, but I just want to be able to boot Ubuntu in order to advise my cousin when she starts using her version. Is anyone successfully dual-booting Linux distros using Lilo ? Might it be ReiserFS ? -- should I re-install Ubuntu with another FS ? -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] anyone using Lilo to dual-boot ?
100712 Mick suggested : > install a separate boot partition with an ext2 fs > and install GRUB2 there instead of the MBR. > Then chainload it from your LILO bootloader menu. Thanks for your very prompt response. I'm not sure if I've got it right, but I can easily re-install Ubuntu with a /boot partition using Ext2 , then tell Lilo to look there for the kernel image. Is that what you mean ? Any other suggestions are also welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] anyone using Lilo to dual-boot ?
100712 Mateusz Arkadiusz Mierzwinski wrote: > Sure thing I use lilo on my lap. You want config for example? Please : that would help a lot ! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] anyone using Lilo to dual-boot ?
100712 Mick wrote: > As was already suggested by John, Thanks to John too. > you can instead copy the kernel image & initrd from the Ubuntu installation > to your existing /boot partition, then point LILO to it. I tried that, Lilo runs ok, but I still get the kernel panic due to the line in lilo.conf 'root=/dev/sda8'. That suggests that it doesn't like the FS on /dev/sda8 , ie ReiserFS, which must be due to something in the Ubuntu set-up, as the Gentoo stanzas have 'root=/dev/sda3", which is also ReiserFS. > I recall clicking on 'advanced' or some such options during Ubuntu install > and it gave me an option where GRUB should go. I chose the /boot partition > and then used the main OS boot manager to chainload Ubuntu's GRUB. > Then you will essentially have a mirror installation to your cousin's. I don't know what you mean by "chainload Ubuntu's GRUB"; I don't remember your specific choice during the Ubuntu install, only "Shall I overwrite the MBR ? ", to which I answer "No ! ". I don't want to learn how to use Grub for this simple test project: Lilo is quite adequate for my normal needs. > PS. I found Ubuntu easier to update/upgrade by having separate /boot, > / and /home partitions. Ordinarily, that's what I would do, but this is only temporary & I'm not even sure she'll go thro' with the project in the end (she's yet another victim of M$ generally & Vista in particular). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] anyone using Lilo to dual-boot ? -- discovery
Further ideas : I tried booting a Gentoo kernel with the Ubuntu / & avoided the kernel panic, but ran into an Ubuntu init error, so there's nothing inherently wrong with /dev/sda8 . Also, I checked the Ubuntu kernel config file, conveniently in /boot , which has ReiserFS configured as a module, whereas Ext2 & Ext3 are 'y'. That suggests that it's running into a road-block: it needs to use ReiserFS to start 'init', but can't load modules till it has already started 'init'. In that case, I need to re-install Ubuntu using Ext2 or Ext3 . In fact, it wb as a bug in Ubuntu's "advanced" install. Does that make sense to anyone else ? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] anyone using Lilo to dual-boot ? -- solved
100712 Mick wrote: > I must have installed at least 3 Ubuntus in the last 6 months, > all of them on reiserfs. No problem booting them. > > image=/boot/your_Ubuntu_image > label=Ubuntu > append="ramdisk_size=290" > vga=normal > initrd=/boot/your_ubuntu_initrd.gz > read-only > root=/dev/sda8 > > I don't use LILO so check the above to make sure there are no errors > and adjust it to your circumstances. Thanks, that solved the problem, given that I had identified it as arising from Ubuntu not recognising ReiserFS. I added the 'initrd=...' line & booted into Ubuntu successfully; Gentoo doesn't require that line, perhaps because I use no kernel modules. BTW the Ubuntu ramdisk needs 7,9 MB & Lilo issues a warning (I didn't use your 'append/vga' lines). >From my bit of experience so far, Ubuntu does look good for a beginner. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] checksum failure
On many emerge downloads I'm getting "checksum failure". Portage goes off somewhere else & finds the needed file, but it also writes the failed version into 'distfiles', which fills it up & sooner (on my old box) or later (on the regular box) needs to be rm'd. Is there any way to prevent this ? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Rooted/compromised Gentoo, seeking advice
100809 Robert Bridge wrote: > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Mick wrote: >> There have been discussions on this list why sudo is a bad idea >> and sudo on *any* command is an even worse idea. >> You might as well be running everything as root, right? > sudo normally logs the command executed and the account which executes it, > so while not relevant for single user systems, > it STILL has benefits over running as root. I follow 2 simple rules: (1) never start X as root -- I open in a raw terminal, then 'startx', so it's ok to login there as root to get some system fixes done, but of course logout again before starting X as user -- & (2) do all system stuff in a virtual root terminal on its own desktop, where the prompt says 'root' in red letters & the background is black (my user terminal has a white background): that's down in the basement, where all the pipes & wires are & you need a hard hat & safety boots & you need to unlock the basement door, whose key is the root password. also, my user terminal says : 524: gx> which sudo which: no sudo in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin::/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin) -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] How often -uD world?
090909 Maxim Wexler wrote:
> My netbook has only (4+8)G of sketchy SSD + SDHC RAM for everything
> and I am determined not to emerge anything I don't really need.
> But now that I'm mobile I have the capability of doing a -uD world
> whenever it's required without having to take days of dialup time.
> Question is, when's that? I assume with fewer packages,
> updating is not as urgent as on a big desktop
> with lots of HD space and lots of apps.
I recently successfully updated my stand-by desktop machine after 10 months.
I never do 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag,
but 'emerge -Dup world' shows an ordered list of what needs doing
& you can work thro' the list 1 lineful of pkgs at a time.
I update my working machine once/week ('eix-sync' & 'emerge -Dup world').
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev and init.d. Should it be running now?
090910 Dale wrote: > I noticed I now have a udev in /etc/init.d/. > I checked, it is not running but udevd is not running either: > r...@smoker / # /etc/init.d/udev status > * status: stopped >r...@smoker / # ps aux | grep udev > root 30451 0.0 0.0 1888 504 pts/0 R+ 16:04 0:00 grep --colour=auto udev Using Baselayout 1.12.11.1 & Udev 141 , I get : root:508 default> ps aux | grep udev root 659 0.0 0.0 12524 936 ? S
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > for a long time I used IceWM as my windowmanager > since I dont want ... session management. a must-have of windowmanagers > is to control nearly completly with the keyboard > Since IceWM seems to be in hibernation I am looking for a replacement > -- widely configurable via ascii files > -- as far as possible controllable by keyboard > -- also useable with the mouse > -- no eye-candy > -- not ugly > -- NOT tiling > -- FAST! Fluxbox is your WM ! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Philip Webb [09-09-12 16:50]: >> Fluxbox is your WM ! > Yes! > In IceWM I can type ALT-TAB, which pops up the application menu > Or in other words: Starting applications does not involve the mouse. > In/With fluxbox I again have to dive into submenus with the mouse You can navigate the menu via the arrow keys (up/down/right) or Return. I have the menu assigned to Alt-Space to be available anywhere. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 Lars Gustäbel wrote: > I've been using fvwm2 for years now ... > I have a graphical system monitor on my third desktop ... Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? I couldn't find anything about it in the manual & dropped further investigation of Fvwm as a result. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090912 pk wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: >> Can you have multiple desktops with Fvwm ? > Virtual desktops are part of the X window manager specification: > http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2505816 > The application that handles the desktops are called a pager: > http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2504750 > http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/stable/FvwmPager.php Thanks, I'll keep a note & have another look sometime. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] lzma-utils vs xz-utils
Planning to 'emerge -pv eix' for the latest 0.17.1 in testing,
I was surprised by
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N] app-arch/xz-utils-4.999.9_beta 1,014 kB
[uninstall] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 USE="-nocxx"
[blocks b ] app-arch/lzma-utils ("app-arch/lzma-utils" is blocking
app-arch/xz-utils-4.999.9_beta)
[blocks b ] app-arch/xz-utils ("app-arch/xz-utils" is blocking
app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7)
[ebuild U ] app-portage/eix-0.17.1 [0.17.0] USE="bzip2%* -deprecated -doc
-nls sqlite -tools" 470 kB
I understand the "blocks" lines, but am uneasy about uninstalling Lzma-utils,
which seems to have many important dependencies:
root:503 ~> equery d lzma-utils
[ Searching for packages depending on lzma-utils... ]
app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0.0.3g (app-arch/lzma-utils)
app-portage/eix-0.17.0 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
dev-libs/mpfr-2.4.1_p1 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
media-libs/libpng-1.2.38 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
media-libs/netpbm-10.46.00 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
net-misc/netkit-rsh-0.17-r9 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-apps/coreutils-7.4 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-apps/man-1.6f-r3 (lzma? app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20071202044231-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-apps/sandbox-2.0 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-apps/texinfo-4.13 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-devel/m4-1.4.12 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.27-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
sys-libs/gpm-1.20.5 (app-arch/lzma-utils)
Can anyone explain what's going on ?
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[gentoo-user] Gentoo on an Asus netbook
I'm planning to buy a netbook sometime in the next few weeks. The most likely choice is an Asus 1005HA : http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025389&cid=NBK.862.656 It has a 1600 MHz processor, 1 GB memory & a 160 GB hard drive. Asus is a very reliable manufacturer in my experience & this version is the cheapest & looks as if it would meet my needs. Hopefully, the price will drop a bit more in the near future. My intended use is simply to be able to read, edit & make notes on texts, esp books I have downloaded (eg Jane Austen, Gibbon), while lying back in my chair or on my bed, not sitting up at my desk; It may also be useful to take to my office at the UoT to work on my transit archives there occasionally & might help at public meetings, making notes or checking documents. My desktop manager wb Fluxbox, my typical app Gvim, other regulars Terminal (Xfce), Xpdf, Feh: no KDE or Gnome; I might install the binary OO for a spreadsheet; I don't see myself using it for wireless Internet, video or sound. Most of the time, I sb able to run it plugged in, not from the battery. It comes with M$ XP installed in the factory (with Firefox), which I may keep in case there's a hardware failure under warranty (I can demonstrate it's not Linux which is causing the problem), but of course I shall use Linux for all my activities above. I thought re other distros to avoid a lot of slow compiling, but the advantage is a mirage: Slackware & Arch users have to compile kernels & I would have to learn how to do things their way to get anywhere; Mandriva has a version for EEE, but it's likely to default to KDE 4 (ugh!). I see myself using System Rescue to get started, reducing the XP partition, installing the Gentoo system + Kernel 2.6.31 + X , then a sparse set of apps; I might try compiling on my desktop machine, then copying the binary across. There are howto's on the Gentoo Wiki & elsewhere, eg http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:installgentoo http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC_901 http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC_1000HA Does anyone have warnings, suggestions or advice ? -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] In search of a "good" windowmanager
090916 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> Currently I am playing around with fluxbox.
> selection of applications in the application ("root"-) menu via keyboard.
> Only the first application can be selected via its first character.
As I said in an earlier msg, you can navigate the menu with the arrow keys.
> It is a little annoying, that menu structures, which were unfolded,
> did not collapse as usual but need to be actively "clicked away"
That seems to be part of the 'do it yourself' philosophy of Fluxbox.
You can add a line '[hidemenus]' to the menu to close it.
> I like the tabbing feature, the look of fluxbox, its speed
> and the possibility to steer much of its features via keyboard.
> The configuration files are clean, simple and easy to understand.
> The time from installing to a working environment was very short.
I'm very satisfied with it since I started using it last April.
> (sorry, I am no native English speaker).
'application' corrected above (smile: you should see my German).
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[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling & shuddering ever closer, I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, only the apps themselves & whatever deps they require: Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; result: back to 3.5.10 & be prepared to use Xterm & Xfce's Terminal. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, but they are easily copied from ~/.kde3.5 , as are style sheets; not explored in any depth, but an impression of dumbing down too (this is for the I/net, not local file management); I don't use it much, prefering Firefox for everyday browsing. Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- my quick relax with my own layout & personal rules (grin); no problem with my layout (simply copy it over), but they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! no, when i'm relaxing between more important things, I don't want to exercise my memory on such trivia; result: back to 3.5.10 . Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... Does anyone know how to preset Konsole 4 window sizes for different uses ? -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 16 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > > Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling & shuddering ever closer, > > I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. > > I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, > > only the apps themselves & whatever deps they require: > > Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. > fluxbox is not a manager. It is merely a window manager. It manages my desktop much better than KDE 4.2.1 did ... > KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. How can "KDE use WM" ? -- your words make no sense in English. >> Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; >> big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; >> result: back to 3.5.10 & be prepared to use Xterm & Xfce's Terminal. > strange, every konsole window I open has the same size. Exactly: I want different sizes for different uses. Xterm does it, Terminal does it, Konsole 3.5.10 did it via command flags, but these have disappeared in Konsole 4.3.1 (try 'konsole --help'). > Also, do you have tried the geometry setting? right click on title, > window specific settings, create profil, put size into profile done. When I right-click on the titlebar, I get a Fluxbox list of options, none of which is "window-specific" nor relates to profil(e)s. Of course, I've tried editing profiles, but it has no effect on size; I also checked Google for 'resizing konsole' & similar. >> Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . > that is a joke, right? No, it's very serious: KDE 4 is jazzed up visually & dumbed down in options. Okular is as described when compared with Kpdf 3 . >> Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, >> but they are easily copied from ~/.kde3.5 , as are style sheets; > wrong. bookmark editor: 'File' 'import', 'import kde 3 bookmarks'. What is "bookmark editor" ? -- it's not a dependency of Konqueror 4 . My problem -- unlike other people's -- with your responses is that you are typically inaccurate both in content & in English. You are usually amusing, but I suspect that is not your intention. I am genuinely disappointed by KDE 4.3.1 , which I had hoped would be a real step forward given recent KDE PR announcements. Roughly 50 % options in KDE 3 have not been retained in KDE 4 & by now it's not simply that they haven't got around to implementing them: it's clear they don't intend to & are merely concentrating on eye-candy. It's utter madness, but with free software there are alternatives, which I have started to adopt (Fluxbox, Thunar, Terminal). Does anyone have useful comments, even "you can't do that any more" ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Paul Hartman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb wrote: >> Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; > It saves its size properly for me. > For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size), > in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles > for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar > and choosing "Configure window behavior...". > I have no idea about Fluxbox. That doesn't work in Fluxbox. It will accept 'konsole --geometry ... ', but that has no effect on window size; you can set a single size by hand in konsolerc , but there's no apparent way to do that for profiles. The big attraction of Konsole 3 is that it has so many options. For me, it's a show-stopper & if it isn't fixed in 4.4.1 , I'll use Xterm. >> Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . > Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny. > http://okular.kde.org/formats.php Yes, another day's use suggests it renders PDFs better than Kpdf (that's what I use it for) & it does show JPGs properly too. That complaint is withdrawn (tho' there's an ugly wide bar on the left side). >> Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, > Konqueror has more import options than any other browser I've ever seen! > There are extensive "Import" and "Export" menus in the bookmarks editor. It appears you have to install another pkg to get this -- it's not a Gentoo dependency -- , but manually copying them works too. I rarely use Konqueror, but it's useful occasionally. >> Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! > According to a single google search for "kmahjongg removed tiles", > the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006. No, it's present in 3.5.10 , which I'm using (I just played a game with it). It's another feature which has been dropped in KDE 4 , like setting the size of a Konsole window when you open it (above). Another show-stopper, but perhaps the gods want me to get out more (smile). >> Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, >> esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. > I don't use it, but it seems to do its job. > I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation. Gwenview 4 is a noticeable improvement. >> Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. > I've never tried it. It's very powerful. The new version seems to be the same but for KDE 4 . I'm happy to use the CLI for everyday file management. >> I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... > It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time. > KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it. Like another respondent (and many others), I prefer "plain & old-fashioned". We have street cars (trams) running by the end of my street, as they have since 1892, which is why we have healthy neighbourhoods here, but go-ahead modern cities like NY & London wiped them out long ago (grin). Thanks for the various responses, incl the inadvertently amusing ones. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Philip Webb wrote: >> Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; >> It accepts 'konsole --geometry ... ', but has no effect on window size > Looks like it may be a problem with more than just Konsole: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355 Indeed ! -- so there's hope it wb fixed in a future KDE release. >> Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, >> It appears you have to install another pkg to get this > It is a dependency unless you specifically disabled the bookmarks USE flag Well, my USE list is USE="-* accessibility apm bitmap-fonts bonobo bzip2 cdr crypt cups curl dbus foomaticdb gcj gdbm gif gnutls gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal handbook imagemagick imlib java javascript jpeg kde lcms libwww lm_sensors mime motif mpeg multilib ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin nvidia opengl pcre pdf perl plotutils png pop python qt3 qt3support qt4 readline scanner session slang sqlite ssl svg threads tiff tk toolbar truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb vim-syntax win32codecs X xcb xml xorg xv zlib" so yes, anything not explicitly listed is disabled, as I prefer. So that is fixable, but not worth my time in this particular case. BTW the presence of 'gstreamer' in the list is not my choosing: the Gentoo KDE devs -- who are badly overworked -- have not fixed the bug which requires installation of sound pkgs to get KDE 4 to install (Gentoo bug 265864). > in KDE4 there are still the KDE3-style window decorations I used the KDE 3 desktop from early 2005 till early 2009 , but confronted with 4.2.1 checked out alternatives & found Fluxbox 1.1.1 slightly better for what I do than KDE 3.5.10 : Fluxbox is flexible enough, very fast & very easy to configure. My computing is based on desktops with apps running full-screen mostly, so I have no need for plasmoids, widgets, dancing cubes & the rest of it. -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: runlevels and service list
090920 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Dbus doesn't need to be put in any runlevel, > it will be started when hald needs it. I was wondering why Htop shows it, but it isn't in the default runlevel. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
More progress/problems with KDE 4.3.1 . Gwenview is refusing to show thumbnails of images, which showed in 3.5.10 . They seem to be small images: has anyone else experienced this ? Krusader can no longer connect to a remote site via 'fish://'; in fact Krusader 1.80.0 (with KDE 3.5.10) won't do it anymore either. I can connect to the site via 'ssh' from the CLI. Does anyone have suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
090921 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Montag 21 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: >> Gwenview is refusing to show thumbnails of images, which showed in 3.5.10 . >> They seem to be small images: has anyone else experienced this ? > it does show little images, > but you are missing thumbnails which are little images? The thumbnails are missing for some images, for which thumbnails appear properly in Gwenview (for) 3.5.10 . I've found the cause: 'properties' says they are 'jpeg', but that their content is 'gif', so changing the extension to '.gif' cures the disorder. I'm not sure this is progress: the Unix way is to use extensions as a guide, but process files according to their identified content; Gwenview 4.3.1 seems to be following the M$ approach of obeying extensions. Anyway, it's solvable with some renaming: more fun with Thunar (grin) ! -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
090921 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:13:37 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> Krusader can no longer connect to a remote site via 'fish://'; >> in fact Krusader 1.80.0 (with KDE 3.5.10) won't do it anymore either. >> I can connect to the site via 'ssh' from the CLI. > I can connect with Krusader on KDE 4.3.1 > but fish:// has been broken in KDE 3.5 for quite some time. No problem with 3.5.10 a week ago, before I installed 4.3.1 , but since then neither will connect. > You can use sftp:// instead of fish, > the functionality is similar and STFP has continued working. In Krusader, it fails with an error box saying 'Unknown error, unexpected SFTP error: 8'. >From CLI it also fails with 501: ~> sftp Connecting to ... Protocol major versions differ: 2 vs. 1 Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer I can do what I need (uploading files) via 'ssh' + 'scp' as easily, but it's a good thing to track down the causes of errors & report bugs. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: upgrade of xfce4 degrades terminal
On 09/21/2009 04:16 PM, Maxim Wexler wrote: > Before I did 'emerge -uvDN world' a couple of days ago > the terminal that came with xfce4 was quite configurable with tabs. > Now the terminal app really sucks. Yet another problem when people do 'emerge ... world' (groan, not at you). My own practice is to do 'emerge -Dup world' after 'eix-sync', then choose which apps to actually emerge individually; I keep a careful record of everything I installed & have updated. 090921 Maxim Wexler wrote: > This is the terminal I want, the one I used to have: > http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/terminal > This is the terminal I have now: > http://www.xfce.org/projects/terminal The link on the 2nd site to 'homepage' sends you to the 1st site. I don't use the Xfce desktop, but I do use 'Terminal', ie 'x11-terms/terminal-0.4.0', which has tabs & looks like the 1st site. I notice there's a new dependency, if I were to remerge it : root:566 ~> emerge -pv x11-terms/terminal These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] dev-util/xfce4-dev-tools-4.6.0 61 kB [ebuild R ] x11-terms/terminal-0.4.0 USE="dbus -debug -doc (-nls%)" You could try doing that emerge & see if it helps at all; you could also try running 'terminal' from the CLI & see what happens. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
090922 Neil Bothwick wrote: > It sounds like you may have STFP disabled in your sshd_config. >From that file : # override default of no subsystems Subsystem sftp/usr/lib64/misc/sftp-server -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
090922 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:06:27 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >>> It sounds like you may have STFP disabled in your sshd_config. >> From that file : >> # override default of no subsystems >> Subsystem sftp/usr/lib64/misc/sftp-server > What do the logs on the server show when you try to connect? I'm logging into one of my accounts on a university system, so AFAIK I have no access to their logs. I don't see anything in my own /var/log , but perhaps it's somewhere else: any suggestions ? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
090922 Willie Wong wrote: > Try running sftp with the -vv flag the make it extra verbose. > It should tell you in more detail what the error is. Thanks. This is what it says : 516: ~> sftp -vv Connecting to ... OpenSSH_5.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to [nnn.nnn.nnn.n] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/purslow/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/purslow/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 1.5, remote software version 1.2.17 debug1: no match: 1.2.17 Protocol major versions differ: 2 vs. 1 Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer It looks as if the U server has an earlier version of the software. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries
Thanks for the advice so far. Here are some more obstacles encountered. Kworldview : no longer an independent app (as in 3.5.10), but seems to have been incorporated into Marble (no problem with that). I have a file '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-kworldclock.desktop', which belongs to Marble, but I can't find a way to use it in Marble. Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10 & also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 . Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ? -- eg I really don't like the wider toolbars in 4.3.1 & would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions. The version for 3.5.10 doesn't work on the Fluxbox desktop: it opens but lacks the list of options on the left side. Would I have more success with 4.3.1 (there are 8 dependencies) ? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : Gwenview & Krusader problems
090923 Willie Wong wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:41:52PM -0400, Penguin Lover Philip Webb squawked: >> It looks as if the U server has an earlier version of the software. > Egads, this is U Toronto? Still using ssh-1? It's IRIX 5.3 & seems to be left with minimal maintenance (it works). > SSH-1 does not have the concept of subsystems, > so while your version of ssh and scp can communicate with the ssh server > at the other end, you cannot 'pass to subsystem sftp'... > Assuming it is using a version of ssh that bundles with an sftp-server, > but NOT ssh-2, you need to 1. ssh into the server in question; > 2. track down the path to the sftp server binary: > in Gentoo with openssh it is /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server; There's no dir 'misc' in /usr/lib on the remote machine nor a 'ssh'. > 3. Try running sftp with the flag '-s path-to-sftp-server-binary' > ie the absolute path on the remote machine. In reply to Stroller, all I have in ~/.ssh is 'known_hosts', which does allow successful connection to the remote machine. That's just to respond to both your kind helps (big smiles). I checked the CHASS WWW site & it contained an Ssh access link; when I logged in, the system was IRIX64 6.5 & the hostname different. Armed with that knowledge, I tried again with the new hostname & succeeded with Sftp from CLI & from Krusader & with Fish from Krusader ! So something did change from Krusader 1.80.0 -> 2.0.0 -- perhaps no longer guessing a hostname if it's not found at once -- , but if I enter the (now known) correct hostname everything works as of old. Thanks again for your advice. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 : further queries
090924 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: >> Gwenview : can one view hidden files ? -- it's under 'view' in 3.5.10 >> & also assigned to Control-H , but nowhere to be seen in 4.3.1 . > it is a bug. If you search for it you'll find it. I plan to add to the Konsole bug re 'geometry' & look up other bugs, when I've finished basic exploration & testing. >> Kcontrol : might this help with configuring KDE 4.3.1 apps ? > no. kcontrol is just a couple of kcm*.so. > You need systemsettings if you want to change anything the easy way. > There is always the hard one - edit config files Actually, that's what I might look into: Kcontrol is its dependency. >> & would like to have smaller icons & no accompanying descriptions. > you can change it to do that ;) So how (smile) ? -- ie without running the KDE 4 desktop. Thanks for your clear & helpful advice. PS does anyone have advice re the 3rd issue, Kworldclock vs Marble ? -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.1 : further queries
090925 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > If you find that KDE 4 doesn't really suit you, > it might be best to switch to another desktop environment. As I've mentioned several times in earlier msg/threads, I started using Fluxbox as desktop manager 0904xx (previously KDE 3). I don't like the KDE 4 desktop & prefer not to install apps I don't use. Anyway, thanks to all for the clarification re 'Systemsettings': I may try installing it + dependencies & see whether it helps. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.1 : further queries
090924 Philip Webb wrote: > Thanks to all for the clarification re 'Systemsettings': > I may try installing it + dependencies & see whether it helps. Yes, it's installed & works & doesn't seem to do any damage. Moreover, it does allow modification of the toolbar eg in Okular, which is a definite improvement (icon size 22). -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
I've added to a number of KDE bugs relating to problems with 4.3.1 . KDE bug 165355 : Konsole doesn't respect the '--geometry' parameter. KDE bug 190843 (also 194716) : Gwenview has no option to show hidden files. KDE bug 190216 : Gwenview has no option 'rename'; 'move' is inadequate. KDE bug 182361 : Gwenview refuses to display a thumbnail when the extension doesn't match the image type; the problem is in Qt, but still no action from them. KDE bug 196858 : Kmahjongg doesn't show grid of removed tiles. KDE bug 167910 : Ksokoban hasn't been ported to KDE 4 . KDE bug 184088 : 'worldclock' plasmoid doesn't work in Marble. It is suggested this is a Gentoo failure: before I submit a Gentoo bug, does anyone have info ? -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090929 Alex Schuster wrote: > I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2 > and I hope at least some of them have been fixed already. > But I will wait with the update until I have some time, > because normally I need my PC with KDE running > and I fear something will go wrong while updating. KDE 4.3.1 is an enormous improvement over 4.2.1 : the apps are stable & basic functions are available. Responses in KDE Bugzilla suggest their devs want to satisfy users: they tend to be "We haven't got there yet but are working on it" rather than "Forget it, get used to it, it's been dropped". The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , so that I've adopted Xterm & the Xfce Terminal for some jobs. NB I am not using the desktop, which I haven't installed, but such apps as Gwenview, Okular, Konqueror, games; I found Fluxbox even better for my needs that the KDE 3.5.10 desktop. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090929 Paul Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb wrote: >> The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , > According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added : Quick reactions, further advice welcome : > automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial > split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs > performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it > better profile set-up dialogs -- yes, but they still don't work properly > runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ? > can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it > easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it > much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10) > real transparency -- don't need it > new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) > open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial > mouse-wheel scrolls pgms that don't naturally support it (eg Less) -- yes So yes, a couple of small items I mt use occasionally. > What's missing from the 3.x series ? A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above), set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list). I am hopeful the KDE devs will restore more with 4.4.1 & 4.5.1 , but it hasn't happened yet. -- ========,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090930 Neil Bothwick wrote: > 090930 Philip Webb wrote: >> split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs > I can't see the point of this: it just shows the same output twice. > If it were two terminals side by side, > so you could run a command in one while tailing a log file in the other, > it would be extremely handy, especially with SSH > Or am I doing something stupid? You will get what you want, if you have 2 tabs open; you can see multiple tabs by splitting the window more than once. So I will add this feature to my 'yes' column, making 3 in all (smile). However, the "help" -- hiding away at the far R of the menubar (ugh!) -- doesn't explain it correctly : Splits all the tabs into left and right views Any output on one view is duplicated in the other view. Yet another gripe re KDE 4 is the very scanty help available. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090929 Roy Wright wrote: > On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb wrote: >> What's missing from the 3.x series ? >> ... start root console ... > Starting a root (or any other) console is easy. > Use Manage Profiles to create the profile ... But it's already there waiting for you in Konsole 3.5.10 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090930 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: >> easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it > log in via ssh, click on 'bookmarks' click on 'add bookmarks'. Yes indeed ! -- add another 'yes', making 4 . >> new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) > Konsole themes, not window manager themes. How do I find them ? > opening the webbrower when right click 'open' on a web address Yes again ! -- it opens Konqueror: is there any way to change that ? So that makes 5 useful features added (with others dropped for now). Thanks for your helpful response. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090930 Sebastian Beßler commented on Konsole split view + tabs : > It is a nice feature with a little annoying bug sticked to it. > I have the "open new tab" and "close tab" buttons active in the tabbar. > I open two tabs in split-mode then only the left side has the buttons. > If I now close the left side again the buttons are gone for good. > I have to open the profile-settings, toggle the option off and on > to get them back. If that can be confirmed I open a bug for it. Yes, I noticed that too. Also when you exit split mode, it leaves a tab & there's no way to hide the tab bar again. They need bug reports & do seem to react sensibly, if slowly, to them. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Kworldclock & KDE 4.3.1
I asked this before without any response (smile). Kworldclock 3.5.10 is a useful little app, but is absent from 4.3.1 . I've found 2 versions of the problem : KDE bug 184088 , which suggests the problem is Gentoo packaging ; Gentoo forum http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-787140-highlight-kworldclock.html?sid=bc3747cb7a2906acb862ce70e686a936 which refers to Gentoo bug 280834 . A bug search of Gentoo for 'kworldclock' yields 'zarro'. Bug 280834 solves the poster's problem (how to add it to the KDE desktop), but implies that that is how you have to use it in KDE 4 , ie there is no equivalent of running 'kworldclock' in KDE 3 . As I don't (want to) use the KDE 4 desktop (I use Fluxbox instead), this suggests I'm stuck with keeping the KDE 3 version around, if I want a quick + simple way of seeing how the planet is lit up & -- much more important -- finding local time for major cities (I used it recently when needing to phone someone in New Zealand). Is it possible to get Marble to show the effects of Kworldclock ? Is there any other similar app from outside KDE ? -- Xearth shows light/dark, but not current local times AFAIK. I plan to file bugs with KDE + Gentoo, but want to be sure of the situation before doing so. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] And I thought I understood blocks...
091002 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Er, what the heck is this one: > emerge -av1 x11-libs/libXScrnSaver > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild N] x11-proto/scrnsaverproto-1.2.0 49 kB > [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.1.3 USE="-debug" 0 kB > [blocks B ]
Re: [gentoo-user] And I thought I understood blocks...
091002 Philip Webb wrote in too much haste: > Faced with that, I would do > emerge -Cp libXScrnSaver > emerge -C libXScrnSaver > emerge -pv libXScrnSaver > emerge -1 libXScrnSaver Sorry, I thought the new version was 1.3 , but of course it's 1.1.3 , so the block is a bit bizarre. Someone else has offered better advice. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] No news today?
091004 Florian Philipp wrote: > meino.cra...@gmx.de schrieb: >> solfire:/tmp>eselect news >> solfire:/tmp>eselect news all >> !!! Error: Action all unknown >> solfire:/tmp>eselect read new >> !!! Error: Can't load module read >> What did I wrong here? > How about `eselect news read new` ;) I just tried it: root:500 ~> eselect news read new No news is good news. Have a nice day everyone ... (grin) -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kworldclock & KDE 4.3.1
091002 Philip Webb wrote: > Is it possible to get Marble to show the effects of Kworldclock ? > Is there any other similar app from outside KDE ? > -- Xearth shows light/dark, but not current local times AFAIK. I have submitted KDE bug 209458 to request current local times in Marble. BTW you can get day/night shading in Marble via 'satellite view -> view -> sun control -> sun shading'. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] What is a "packet"? Was: Checksum error
091011 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Paket = packet ; Paket = package Oh dear ! -- English calls such words 'false friends' ! My German-English dictionary (Langenscheidt) suggests E 'package' = G 'Pack', while E 'packet' = G 'kleines Pack' or 'Päckchen'. In English, a 'packet' calls to mind something in an envelope, eg a letter; 'package' brings a picture of something tied up with string, ie a parcel. In computer English, a 'package' is eg Gentoo's 'app-arch/bzip2-1.0.5-r1'; a 'packet' is a fragment of a file sent through the Internet, different packets possibly taking different routes to their destination, where they are reassembled into the complete file. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] What is a "packet"? Was: Checksum error
091011 Philip Webb wrote: > E 'packet' = G 'kleines Pack' or 'Päckchen'. Sorry, typo : that sb 'kleines Paket' or 'kleine Pack'. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Konqueror 4.3.1 crashed X
Has anyone else seen anything like this ? Using Konqueror 4.3.1 , I entered Ctl-Shift-Rightarrow to move a tab & X vanished ! I don't remember that happening with any app in recent years. There was a report earlier today re something similar with a math pkg & someone was complaining bitterly in comments on LWN recently that something had crashed X when it shouldn't have done. I'm using the stable Xorg-server 1.6.3.901-r2 with all known updates. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] What is a "packet"? Was: Checksum error
091011 Mike Edenfield wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 00:04 +0200, KH wrote: >> Peter Ruskin schrieb: >>> I'm 71 ... is that old enough? >> To use a trendy idiom: That's cool. > I believe the current trendy idiom (with the identical meaning) > is "That's hot". Thus portraying exactly the problem with our language. The word 'cool' dates from the 1960s -- yes, I'm old enough to remember -- , but since the invention of Global Warming, 'hot' has taken over ... -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone have experience with Acer netbooks ?
091019 waltd...@waltdnes.org requested comments re : > the 11.6" screen Acer Aspireone AO751h-1505 Netbook at > > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024766&cid=NBK.862.670 > I intend to install Gentoo on it. I bought an ASUS EeePC 1005HA there a couple of weeks ago & have just finished checking out the hardware, which is ok. Your preference costs CAD 50 more, but features various improvements; they seem to have sold out of the ASUS except the pink version (grin). My next task is to look at the BIOS & make a bootable USB stick with System Rescue on it, then decide whether to keep M$ XP around & which version of Linux to install, probably Gentoo, but I'm wary of doing a lot of compiling on the tiny machine (alternatives wb Arch or Slackware). Does anyone know how far it's feasible to compile pkgs on a desktop -- I have a powerful machine with upto-date Gentoo for everyday use -- , then copy the results via USB stick into a netbook ? Sorry not to answer your question directly, but this is related (smile). -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone have experience with Acer netbooks ?
091020 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 20 October 2009 05:59:07 Philip Webb wrote: >> Does anyone know how far it's feasible to compile pkgs on a desktop >> -- I have a powerful machine with upto-date Gentoo for everyday use -- , >> then copy the results via USB stick into a netbook ? > Trawl the archives over the last 60 months > for Neil Bothwick's detailed posts on this very subject Were there netbooks in 2004 ?? Anyway, I have most of them saved. However, others may have experiences to relate for everyone's benefit. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] ASUS EeePC 1000HA : boot query
I've got my new toy to boot from USB with SystemRescue 1.3.1 , which comes up beautifully with Gentoo using 'Altker32' (the 'default' kernel boots into some kind of emergency mode); despite what the intro help says, the desktop manager is Xfce, which is started via 'wizard' & offers basic useful apps, eg Terminal Emelfm Firefox Geany Gparted . There's 1 problem : you hold F2 down to get BIOS, then use Esc for a boot menu (you have to go in/out of BIOS first). However, this doesn't work when I first switch the machine on : M$ XP starts regardless & I have to reboot from there to get BIOS, the boot menu & the USB (I've disabled 'quiet boot' in BIOS, but POST msgs still don't appear). Is this because it takes a few seconds before the USB stick warms up & gets recognised (its light blinks) ? This is important: if that's correct, I can wipe out XP & the machine will still recognise the USB stick & boot, but if the problem is something else (I don't know what it might be), I fear risking an unbootable box without even the M$ option remaining. Can anyone reassure me ? -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] ASUS EeePC 1000HA : boot query
091025 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 25 October 2009 00:30:48 Philip Webb wrote: >> There's 1 problem : you hold F2 down to get BIOS, >> then use Esc for a boot menu (you have to go in/out of BIOS first). >> However, this doesn't work when I first switch the machine on : >> M$ XP starts regardless & I have to reboot from there to get BIOS, >> the boot menu & the USB (I've disabled 'quiet boot' in BIOS, >> but POST msgs still don't appear). Is this because it takes a few seconds >> before the USB stick warms up & gets recognised (its light blinks) ? > There's an accelerated-boot option in the BIOS. > You have to switch that off to be able to boot a USB stick > Took me days to find that one :-( Thanks ! -- it would have taken me days too, if you hadn't told me ! Having disabled 'boot booster' in BIOS, it works straight after power-on : F2 gets the BIOS menus or Esc gets the boot menu with choice of OS. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg slow after upgrade
On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:28:28 Krzysztof Poc wrote: > Xorg redraws the screen very slowly. > "top" shows me that "X" process takes up around 95 % CPU > while I have Intel Core 2 Duo. I have the following installed: > kernel 2.6.30.7 #3 SMP (without PAE) -- i have kernel 2.6.29 > xorg-server-1.6.3.901-r2 -- yes > xorg-x11-7.4-r1 -- yes > xf86-video-intel-2.8.1 -- i have '...-nv-' & '...-vesa-' > libxcb 1.4 -- i have 1.4-r1 I have no problem: I'm using some of your items, but not others. Perhaps that will help you pin down the cause. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] EeePC network problem
I'm stuck in trying to install Gentoo on my new EeePC 1005HA . There seems to be no easily accessible driver for the Ethernet controller, which is 'Atheros AR8132' (shown via 'lspci'). I'm using 'install-x86-minimal-20091020.iso' on a USB stick; it has 2 drivers atl1e/atl1e.ko atlx/atl1.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.30-gentoo-r7/kernel/drivers/net/ , but neither allows me to connect to my ISP, timing out every time. The problem is not the modem, as M$ XP can connect successfully. I've searched for drivers via Google & the Gentoo forum, but I can't compile the one I found, as the Gentoo installer lacks 'make' & the module has to be compiled for the specific kernel there. Also, the pkg -- AR81Family-linux-v1.0.0.10.tar.gz , which is almost the same as l1c-linux-v1.0.0.11-test.tar.gz -- dates from January 2009 , rather a long time ago in computing terms. I also have SystemRescue on a USB, but it doesn't do ADSL. I don't expect to be using the Internet with the netbook, so it's needed only for installing Gentoo. Has anyone managed to do a networkless install ? Advice welcome. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] EeePC network problem
091030 Stroller wrote: > On 30 Oct 2009, at 02:41, Philip Webb wrote: >> I'm stuck in trying to install Gentoo on my new EeePC 1005HA . >> There seems to be no easily accessible driver for the Ethernet controller, >> which is 'Atheros AR8132' (shown via 'lspci'). > A very casual Google suggests > that this card uses the the atl1e kernel driver / module. EG: > http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy-lum.git;a=commit;h=949e7063204f568027fa7783c8562ceb32b95a25 > says: Add support Atheros ... AR8132 ethernet NICs > CONFIG_ATL1E is the wossisname. Have you tried this driver? Yes, as I said in detail in my OP : 'insmod atl1e' works, but as before 'pppoe-start' times out when trying to connect to my ISP; this is using the Gentoo minimal install ISO , which has that driver. As I also said in my OP, I can't compile a driver (or kernel) using the install system, as it doesn't have 'make'. How have others got Gentoo installed on their 1005HA's ? -- did they all use wireless access to the Internet ? Again, does anyone have advice re trying a netless install ? -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.31 + nvidia
Just in case anyone else runs into this problem, which seems solved: Nvidia-drivers 180.60 won't compile with Gentoo Kernel 2.6.31-r4 . The problem is fixed by moving up to N-d 185.18.36-r1 (also "testing"). I've just rebooted & apps seem to start noticeably faster on Fluxbox. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel build - back in the soup.
091103 Harry Putnam wrote: > building a new kernel has always been a problem for me. > Many people here seem to find it completely easy... not me. I find it doable with a bit of care (smile). > After install of gentoo-sources-2.6.31-r4 > I started with `make oldconfig' > Moved from that to `make menuconfig' I just installed the same kernel with no problems. I did 'make oldconfig', looking at the '?' help for each new item & deciding whether to say Y/N as seemed appropriate. There wasn't anything dramatically new, so I went straight on to 'gvimdiff .config .config-', which allows a careful review of all the differences. There seemed to be nothing outstanding, so I went ahead with 'make', copied it by hand into /boot & updated Lilo; there was a problem, which I reported here, re Nvidia-drivers, but I moved up to a new version & then everything worked as expected. I never compile kernel items as modules if it cb avoided: it's one source of potential pain one can avoid. -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?
091104 waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure ? > The stuff I've found on Google and the Gentoo wiki > references obsolete versions of Gentoo and I don't know if it would work. > I've got an Acer Aspire One with no CD/DVD. I'm in the midst of doing it on an ASUS 1005HA without an I/net connection; I've got as far as booting with a defective kernel from Lilo & should have it working tomorrow (the SCSI configuration is wrong). 'unetbootin' is the best way to write what you need on the USB stick; System Rescue is good, but lacks ADSL support; the Gentoo Minimal Install ISO has worked well for me. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] services on ASUS 1005HA
With the required driver atl1c in the kernel, my toy Horace had no trouble logging in to my ISP & actually downloaded a file for an emerge. Can anyone who uses one of these machine advise me how far the usual services are relevant for a netbook ? -- hald (+dbus) vixie-cron slocate run on my desktop machine, but don't seem necessary for a netbook which I wb using only occasionally; I have installed sysklogd , which seems useful in case of problems. Also, what do people use to monitor the battery ? And what's best for the webcam ? Thanks again for the advice so far: I hope my reports are helpful to others. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced"
In the course of trying to get X to work on my ASUS 1005HA netbook, I had to power the machine off several times. In the course of this, some damage seems to have occurred to the file system. There are files in /var /tmp which I can't remove: the msg is "EXT2-fs error: ext2_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 16388". I got round the problem by creating new dirs, copying everything else & renaming the dirs, but that leaves me with /bad1 , which I can't remove as it contains a reference to an inode which no longer exists. NB this is not the more common problem of a bad file name, which cb dealt with simply by removing the inode (which still exists). Can anyone help ? BTW is Ext2 the best fs for this machine ? Might Ext3 or Ext4 be better ? -- I use Reiserfs on my desktop machines. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] services on ASUS 1005HA
091106 Florian Philipp wrote: > Philip Webb schrieb: >> Can anyone who uses one of these machine advise me >> how far the usual services are relevant for a netbook ? >> -- hald (+dbus) vixie-cron slocate run on my desktop machine, >> but don't seem necessary for a netbook which I wb using only occasionally; >> I have installed sysklogd , which seems useful in case of problems. >> Also, what do people use to monitor the battery ? >> And what's best for the webcam ? > Better replace vixie-cron with fcron. fcron is more suitable for PCs > that don't run 24/7. Alternatively use anacron with vixie-cron. I'll look into them. > I'd trash slocate completely. Especially when your toy has a cheap SSD. No, 'H' stands for 'hard drive', as in a 160 GB HDD. > If not, it all depends on whether you use locate regularly. > If not, trash it. If you use it, replace it with mlocate > which should be a bit faster on updating its DB. I'll look into these. > I wouldn't run any kind of syslog unless you are currently debugging > your system. It will only spin up the disk/wear out the SSD. It's not an SSD. I've been using the X log to get X working. > Have a look at app-laptop/laptop-mode-tools > and sys-power/powertop if you haven't already. No, I haven't, but will. > hald might be useful/necessary for plug'n'play. > It might also help with external displays. > dbus will most certainly be used by some desktop application/environment. Both are required for X , which I found out after sending in my msg. > Hope this helps Yes, it's very useful: thanks as usual. BTW I'm surprised how fast the little machine is compiling stuff: it's faster than my 2003 machine & approaches my 2007 Core 2 Duo. Also, there's a reference in a Gentoo Wiki article to hyperthreading, which advises to configure multiple processing into the kernel. Is this correct ? Is it safe ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced"
091108 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 12:05 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> is Ext2 the best fs for this machine ? Might Ext3 or Ext4 be better ? >> -- I use Reiserfs on my desktop machines. > the journal will wear out an SSD in short order, > so ext2 is indeed the better file system > All conventional filesystems are built to suit rotating disk media. > SSDs are very different, esp the cheap nasty controllers in netbooks. Sensible advice, no doubt, for those using SSDs in their netbooks, but as I said in my OP, my ASUS 1005HA has a 160 GB hard disk (HDD), whence the letter 'H' in its name. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] services on ASUS 1005HA
091108 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 07 November 2009 19:51:10 Philip Webb wrote: >> Also, there's a reference in a Gentoo Wiki article to hyperthreading, >> which advises to configure multiple processing into the kernel. >> Is this correct ? Is it safe ? > Be very careful with hyperthreading. It looked like a good idea at the time > and didn't really work out in practice. > There's a reason why so many CPUs these days are multi-core. Yes, it doesn't seem correct to enable SMP on a 1-core CPU. > The signal-to-noise ratio is gentoo-wiki > is nowhere near as high as some folks think. It can't be as bad as the Forum (grin). -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced" [SOLVED]
091108 William Kenworthy wrote: > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 12:05 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> In the course of trying to get X to work on my ASUS 1005HA netbook, >> I had to power the machine off several times. In the course of this, >> some damage seems to have occurred to the file system. >> There are files in /var /tmp which I can't remove: >> the msg is "EXT2-fs error: ext2_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 16388". >> I got round the problem by creating new dirs, copying everything else >> & renaming the dirs, but that leaves me with /bad1 , which I can't remove >> as it contains a reference to an inode which no longer exists. >> BTW is Ext2 the best fs for this machine ? Might Ext3 or Ext4 be better ? >> -- I use Reiserfs on my desktop machines. > Have you tried fsk on it? - "man e2fsck" Sorry to those who suggested this: I didn't think of it, as I haven't used Ext2 (except for /boot ) since 2003. > My personal experience is > ext2 is only for those occasions you dont value the data at all That's my impression from yesterday's potential disaster (wry smile). > ext3 isnt much better > unless you use "data=journal" to get some basic protection. It seemed behind Reiserfs back in 2003, when I built ANB2, & I kept it for ANB3 in 2007; there's never been a problem with it. > use Reiserfs though this may need a complete reinstall. > Updates are still occuring to the Reiserfs code in the kernel, > so Reiserfs is not abandoned by any means. I haven't updated R-fsprogs since 071222, tho' there's a minor revision. Of course, that doesn't mean the stuff in the kernel is that old. It wb a pity if it's not maintained at least till Btree-fs is reliable. Anyway, I've reformatted my partitions to Reiserfs without re-installing (clever, aren't I ? -- big grin). Besides / + /home , I have a big hangar-openspace partition I call /z ( 60 GB ), which is useful for unpacking stuff & has /z/tmp for Emerge to use. I created a dir /z/store3 , then did 'cp -a bin /z/store3' etc for all the dirs in / ; next I used SystemRescue to reformat /dev/hda3 , which is mounted as / , then 'cp -a' everything back again. And it worked !! Similarly for /home & for /z itself (using /store6 ). NB WARNING : if anyone else wants to do this, 'cp -a' is your friend, but be very careful to proof-read all your commands as you do it & use 'du' etc to check that the data really is being copied; some of the copies take a few minutes, but they do get there. So far, I'm very impressed with the ASUS 1005HA & even more with Gentoo, which is perfectly fit for this kind of job. Try a binary distro, run into any kind of problem & what can you do ? Gentoo makes it work ! Now I have to resume getting X to work properly. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] sensors on ASUS 1005HA
Everything is working on my netbook except Gkrellm, which needs Lm-sensors, which won't compile: "No rule to make target 'asm/bitsperlong.h', needed by prog/dump/i2cbusses.rd'. I can search around, but does anyone have quick advice re what's missing ? -- might it be I2C_PIIX4 in the kernel ? BTW Dale was correct: you do have to re-run Lilo after moving the system files back onto the root partition. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] sensors on ASUS 1005HA
091108 Peter Ruskin wrote: > On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:04:21 Philip Webb wrote: >> Everything is working on my netbook except Gkrellm, >> which needs Lm-sensors, which won't compile: "No rule to make >> target 'asm/bitsperlong.h', needed by prog/dump/i2cbusses.rd'. >> might it be I2C_PIIX4 in the kernel ? > lm_sensors failed to build for me too, > although I just retried and it did work. Was that one of those random failures which happen occasionally or did you change something meanwhile ? > I discovered sys-apps/xmbmon and that works fine with gkrellm. Gkrellm depends on Lm-sensors: does that change if Xmbmon has been emerged ? Anyone else have suggestions ? (Thanks for this one) -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] ASUS 1005HA: some strange bugs going around
I've got my netbook basically set up to do what I need, but there are 3 problems remaining, which seem to be fairly basic bugs. (1) I've already mentioned the problem of compiling Lm_sensors. Dale refered to Bug 282261, whose conclusion seems to be to try the latest testing version 3.1.1 , which I will do tomorrow. (2) Fluxbox is working nicely, as it does on my desktop machine ANB3, but I thought I'ld have a look at Xfce, which looks nice in SystemRescue. Xfce opens as root, but not as user ! -- there have been lengthy debates in the Arch forum, which seems to be a different world from Gentoo (smile), but nothing seems to have been resolved. It ought to be a permissions error, but there's no sign where it might be happening. There's an error msg "Module fbcon not found", but that may not be the real problem. (3) Dillo "can't start dpi daemon" (no such problem on ANB3). I can't find anything sensible & have no idea what that daemon mb. Does anyone have any suggestions ? Otherwise, I've installed Gkrellm (incl a battery monitor), Gvim, Feh, Xpdf, Xcalc, Gnumeric, Mirage, Ristretto & Lynx (from its own source); also Thunar (its site tells how to reduce the size of its font) & Terminal (Xfce, same author), which also cb fine-tuned for the netbook. As I said in another msg, I'm very impressed both with the ASUS netbook & with the power + ease of Gentoo to install a customised Linux there. -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm & Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start & Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. Has anyone else seen this & is there a solution ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm & Xpdf are very slow to open: >> Xterm takes c 6 sec to start & Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. > routes ? Could you expand a little ... (smile) ? > localhost in /etc/hosts ? Sounds weird, but in the XFree86 days > I had not mapped the word localhost to 127 properly > and X behaved very slow. Just a wild guess though. The uncommented lines in that file are 127.0.0.1 localhost ::1 localhost Ok, a wild guess (grin). > Alternatively, reboot to make sure you've unloaded / reloaded modules. I don't have any modules except Nvidia & I reboot at least daily. > What did you upgrade from ? 7.x ? 6.x ? 7.3 IIRC Anyone else see this or have advice ? -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Font recommendations for netbook?
091110 Walter Dnes wrote: > Fluxbox is blowing up on my new machine > because it can't find any fixed fonts. > merely building xorg-server doesn't download any fonts. > Looking at /usr/portage/media-fonts I see a whole bunch of options. > Any experiences good/bad with any of them? > this wb on an 11.6" netbook, currently running 1024x768 > and hopefully 1366x768 one of these days. > the less processor power it requires to render, the better. I've successfully installed Gentoo on my 10" netbook. I simply did 'emerge xorg-x11', which had 91 dependencies, which included lots of fonts. Fluxbox is working well. I prefer Luxi Mono for even-spaced font; size 8 seems best for a netbook. No problems with CPU power (ASUS 1005HA) or memory use. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 18:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: >>> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >>>> Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm & Xpdf are very slow to open: >>>> Xterm takes c 6 sec to start & Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. > the disk / cpu does nothing ? I just tested starting Xterm on the desktop where Gkrellm runs. There is a brief CPU load of 27 % , then 100 % at every start; at the 1st start, there's a spike in disk access; 1st start was c 6 sec , 2nd c 4 sec . Xpdf is very similar. Xclock has the same CPU effect, but starts after c 3 sec . I remerged Xterm & Xclock, ran 'X -configure' & re-installed xorg.conf , but there is no change. > Run lsmod and see if the nvidia driver is actually being used ? > -- I have 48 in the used-by column. Yes, it is: used by '26'. > Is the general refresh rate and glx type apps ok ? There hasn't been any other similar effect which I've noticed. > I don't think you need to rebuild nvidia, but did you anyway ? I last rebuilt Nvidia-drivers after the Xorg-x11 upgrade; I had to use the testing version 185.18.36-r1 , as "stable" 180.60 wouldn't compile with Gentoo-sources 2.6.31-r4 . Someone else mentioned networking, but I have no local network or firewall & none of these apps uses the Internet. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Mick wrote: > xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal > in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. What are you running to support graphics for Fluxbox ?? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] ASUS 1005HA: some strange bugs [solved]
091110 Philip Webb wrote: > I've got my netbook basically set up to do what I need, > but there are 3 problems remaining, which seem to be fairly basic bugs. I've managed to solve all 3 or actually 2 , as it turned out (smile). > (1) I've already mentioned the problem of compiling Lm_sensors. > Dale refered to Bug 282261, whose conclusion seems to be > to try the latest testing version 3.1.1 , which I will do tomorrow. 3.1.1 did compile, but when I ran 'sensors-detect' it couldn't find any & advised "common on laptops, where it's handled by ACPI". So I had another look at Gkrellm & when I clicked the little triangle, it did in fact show a temperatures sensor 'thermalzone/TZ00', which is shown in the display after it has been enabled: '51 C'. So no need for Lm-sensors or Xmbmon: unmerged & the temperature still shows. > (2) Fluxbox is working nicely, as it does on my desktop machine ANB3, > but I thought I'ld have a look at Xfce, which looks nice in SystemRescue. > Xfce opens as root, but not as user ! -- It ought to be a permissions error, > but there's no sign where it might be happening. There's an error msg > "Module fbcon not found", but that may not be the real problem. Indeed, that is not the real problem, even tho' tagged 'FATAL'. I found Gentoo bug 275659, which says "Xfdesktop needs access to Hal's pluggable devices, ie in /etc/group 'plugdev ... '". When I fixed that, it still choked, but now showed a sensible msg: "xfce4-session: can't open ~/.ICEauthority : permission denied". Yes, it was owned by root ! -- 'chown' fixed it & Xfce started normally. It remains possible that ~/.ICEauthority wb wrongly owned at next boot, but at least I can get Xfce started & look into the cause if it happens. > (3) Dillo "can't start dpi daemon" (no such problem on ANB3). > I can't find anything sensible & have no idea what that daemon mb. After fixing Xfce, Dillo also started normally, so it looks as if it was the same problem. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Mick wrote: > On Wednesday 11 November 2009 13:34:49 Philip Webb wrote: >> 09 Mick wrote: >>> xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal >>> in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. >> What are you running to support graphics for Fluxbox ?? > Is this what you mean, or are you talking about the drivers that I use? > == > [I] x11-base/xorg-server > > Installed versions: 1.6.3.901-r2(16:38:59 10/06/09)(hal nptl sdl xorg - > debug -dmx -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal -tslib) > Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ > Description: X.Org X servers > == So you are running Xorg-x11 ! -- sorry for the quibble. There is a problem somewhere & it mb a small fix for my machine & it wb nice to track it down if others are not experiencing it. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Font recommendations for netbook?
09 Walter Dnes wrote:
> I have Fluxbox installed. I've experimented with some fonts.
> regardless of fonts installed, Xterm runs a tiny almost unreadable font.
> I *CANNOT* resize the font. Xterm totally ignores anything I set
> by hitting {CTRL}{RIGHT-CLICK} inside an xterm. Any ideas?
In my Fluxbox menu in my desktop machine, I have
...
[submenu] (Terminals)
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[exec] (Xterm) {xterm -geometry 79x65+0+0 -fn 9x15}
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