Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
Oh,God! I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso". The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which appears at 68%'s progress. Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can install gentoo in Windows? 2007/1/3, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:46:59 +0800 "Chuanwen Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The command line installer is highly recommended, as it is more likely to boot on a given (especially uncommon) computer and is a more trustworthy install method. > Here is the hardware of my machine which I got it from Windows: > CPU: > Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz > Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz（双核） > Disk driver: > HP LOGICAL VOLUME SCSI DISK DEVICE > Ethernet: > HP NC7782 Gigabit server Adapter > Video card: > RAGE XL PCI Family > > 2007/1/1, Rod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Chuanwen Wu wrote: > > > > > 2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu" > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > >> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server': > > >> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my > > >> > first time to install linux in a server.I want to know that > > >> > which *.iso I should download and burn into the CD? > > >> > > >> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server > > >> lines. What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know, > > >> what's the model number? > > > > > > The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core. > > > > > > You will want the Live ISO image for a x86 install. > I have tried to install with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".First > time,my machine can enter gnome,but in the way of the installing the > error occure(when installing grub): > > BootloadError:FATAL:__map_device_to_grub_device:ERROR, > could not map /dev/cciss/c0d0 to anything in the device map > > Then I couldn't enter the livecd anymore.Everytime I boot from the > livecd,my machine would stop at : > coldpluging pci devices > > even after I switched another CD-ROM. > > Now ,what should I do? Burn another liveCD?Or. > > > > > The HPPA won't run on x86, but it will run on he PA8000 cpu > > arch, the same CPU as the HP Visualize C180 I have sitting here. > > > > The Intel 3.0G Dual Core? Hmmm, that would be the 3.0G -D > > processor, as I don't know of any "Duo Core" hitting or exceeding > > 3GHz, I have a E6600 Duo core, and it will run the x86-32 and > > x86-64 arch's > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > Expert your advices! > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- wcw -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
Hi, I was recently giving DirectFB a test evaluation and would like to remove it. My wm of choice - e17 - currently doesn't compile with directfb on the system which changes "like to remove" to "must remove". Should be easy enough, I've done it before: - remove directfb from USE - emerge -avC DirectFB - emerge --depclean - revdep-rebuild But not this time. revdep-rebuild throws out about 100 of these: broken /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/vtemodule.la (requires /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la) broken /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/vtemodule.la (requires /usr/lib/libfusion.la) broken /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/vtemodule.la (requires /usr/lib/libdirect.la) Affected packages are mostly beryl, emerald, gimp, gtk+2 and the e17 supporting libs. I've tried to remerge about 10 of them manually and they ALL fail with this same kind of error: if /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/usr/include/python2.4 -I/usr/include/pygtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I./gtk -I/usr/include/pycairo -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pycairo -O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -Wall -std=c9x -fno-strict-aliasing -MT pangocairo_la-pangocairo.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/pangocairo_la-pangocairo.Tpo" -c -o pangocairo_la-pangocairo.lo `test -f 'pangocairo.c' || echo './'`pangocairo.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/pangocairo_la-pangocairo.Tpo" ".deps/pangocairo_la-pangocairo.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/pangocairo_la-pangocairo.Tpo"; exit 1; fi i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/usr/include/python2.4 -I/usr/include/pygtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I./gtk -I/usr/include/pycairo -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pycairo -O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -Wall -std=c9x -fno-strict-aliasing -MT pangocairo_la-pangocairo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/pangocairo_la-pangocairo.Tpo -c pangocairo.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/pangocairo_la-pangocairo.o /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -Wall -std=c9x -fno-strict-aliasing -o pangocairo.la -rpath /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0 -module -avoid-version -export-symbols-regex initpangocairo pangocairo_la-pangocairomodule.lo pangocairo_la-pangocairo.lo -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 -lcairo grep: /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la: No such file or directory /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la: No such file or directory libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libdirectfb.la' is not a valid libtool archive make[2]: *** [pangocairo.la] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/pygtk-2.10.3/work/pygtk-2.10.3' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/pygtk-2.10.3/work/pygtk-2.10.3' make: *** [all] Error 2 I get the revdep-rebuild output - the .la lists a lib that is not longer there. But why the compile error? pygtk has no directfb USE flag, and I can't figure out why it would want to grep /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la. General info: Unmerging and remerging the package doesn't help, the results are identical. My system is pre-linked and undoing this also doesn't help. USE="qt3 dvdread kde xv unicode jpeg python tcl gd sse mp3 cdr gnutls x264 gdbm pcmcia pango mng xml xvmc aalib samba hal cli tcpd mikmod apache2 tk spell lm_sensors wmf postgres dvdr quicktime libwww bash-completion ssl foomaticdb fam dv X svga bitmap-fonts libcaca nptl dbx aiglx dbus session ppds pmu branding mysql udev bluetooth imap mmx ftp mpeg vcd xine jabber sms posix freetds acpi kdeenablefinal imagemagick x86 javascript iconv truetype-fonts mysqli theora mailwrapper openal netboot acl dri mime xinetd firefox adns libc_glibc tiff sqlite xosd svg lesstif apm cups pcre gpm arts usb xpm opengl type1-fonts startup-notification perl gif a52 cairo encode matroska wxwindows cracklib dlloader curlwrappers maildir sdl ncurses mcal pppd nsplugin jbig ogg vorbis zeroconf png threads ffmpeg aac plotutils truetype jpeg2k zlib slp kdexdeltas doc dts avahi mbox lcms xcomposite motif scanner imlib irda spl tetex curl tcltk gimp bzip2 crypt offensive jce libg++ xvid sqlite3 profile pam alsa odbc dga irmc milter mad xorg pdf readline php sysvipc reflection sse2 dvd wifi dvb win32codecs audiofile howl" ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:45:00 -0500 (EST), Daniel Barkalow wrote: > Perhaps it just needs to be more popular, or maybe it needs to > understand slots better (in order to be popular). I know that all of > the kernels I install tell me that support for devfs was removed long > before the oldest kernel available in portage as of when I installed > the machine. File a bug, the ebuild shouldn't be reporting this if it is unnecessary or confusing. > It also doesn't look like it's something where it would be able to > choose to upgrade postfix 2.2.10 to 2.2.10-r1 instead of to 2.3.5 > because 2.3.5 would require help and 2.2.10-r1 is automatic. This is Gentoo, you are supposed to make those sort of decisions for yourself. Automatic updates go against the "the admin is in control" ethos. -- Neil Bothwick Bang on the LEFT side of your computer to restart Windows signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:21:02 -0500 (EST), Daniel Barkalow wrote: > The issue is that etc-update doesn't have the version of the config > file as installed by the version of the package that's being replaced, > so it can't tell the difference between non-trivial changes to the > config file as shipped by gentoo between the old version and the new > version and non-trivial local modifications that I've made myself to a > config file which has not been changed between package versions. I've > definitely had etc-update ask for confirmation on files I'm sure I > didn't change I haven't use etc-update for a while, but dispatch-conf can do this. # Automerge files that the user hasn't modified # (yes or no) replace-unmodified=no Whether this is a good idea is a completely separate issue. If a service had a config file change between versions and the file was updated to the new format while the old daemon was still running, the results could be "interesting". -- Neil Bothwick Found my .sig, it was in behind the cushion on the settee. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:17:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > - remove directfb from USE > - emerge -avC DirectFB > - emerge --depclean > - revdep-rebuild That should be remove directfb from USE emerge -uavDN world emerge --depclean -p emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild emerge --depclean will remove directfb if it's no longer needed, don't unmerge it until all dependent packages have been updated. -- Neil Bothwick Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Has Linux "jumped the Shark"?
Hi folks, > -Original Message- > From: Uwe Thiem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2006 07:57 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Has Linux "jumped the Shark"? > -- snip -- > The control centre has been problematic since its invention. > Its complexity > reflects a real dilemma. How to present literally thousands > of options? Sane > defaults are fine - still, power users want to tweak > everything, and they > should be able to. I hope the HCI people that have got > involved in KDE a > while back will be able to influence the overhaul of it in > KDE4 to an extent > that it no longer intimidates people. > > That said, you should have seen it in the begin. It has > become much better > over the years. > > Uwe -- snip -- I like the approach taken by the Azureus application - you can choose to see "beginner", "intermediate" or "advanced" options. Perhaps having a section for the basic options (like what theme you want, what you want your windows to do when you double click the top bar etc) and have the advanced options like fine tuned tweaking kept seperate? Alternatively some form of documentation to show where options are might be useful. eg: Q. I want to blah blah A. Look in the foo section, click on the blurp tab and select option zonk. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:55:50 +0300, Chuanwen Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh,God! I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso". The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which appears at 68%'s progress. Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can install gentoo in Windows? You may install Gentoo from any live CD. I installed mine from Knoppix, but it looks like any live CD will do. I also do not see how Windows 2003 or whatever being installed can prevent your system from booting a CD. Much more likely, it is a hardware or BIOS (not likely, but still a better guess than Windows). You may try to remove all PCI devices except the video card and try to boot the CD again. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] When could XGL support my video card ATI Radeon M300??
Ok...thx... Let me have a try on that cart with AIGLX!!! ^_^ On 1/3/07, Jure Varlec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 31 December 2006 06:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was interested in 3D desktop of XGL, but my video has not been supported > till now... This is the info of my card: > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon > Mobility M300] > > So, is there a hope for me to use XGL in future??? My Mobility X700 works quite well with opensource drivers included with xorg and AIGLX (never tried XGL, AIGLX is too simple to set up ;) ). Specifically, I tried it with x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.99.903-r1, media-libs/mesa-6.5.2, x11-libs/libdrm-2.3.0 and x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati-6.6.3. But I still prefer using my i915, even though it's slower and uses shared memory, since x700 tends to have hiccups on heavy disk IO and uses more power (== shorter battery life).
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 11:01, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:17:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > - remove directfb from USE > > - emerge -avC DirectFB > > - emerge --depclean > > - revdep-rebuild > > That should be > > remove directfb from USE > emerge -uavDN world > emerge --depclean -p > emerge --depclean > revdep-rebuild > > emerge --depclean will remove directfb if it's no longer needed, > don't unmerge it until all dependent packages have been updated. Fair enough, BUT DirectFB was in world emerge -uND world is up to date I've also tried the sequence you suggest (but didn't mention it in my post to reduce the info clutter) with the same results. So I'm still stuck alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:55, Chuanwen Wu wrote: > Oh,God! > I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned > another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso". > The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which > appears at 68%'s progress. You have some kind of pci device that is not playing nicely with the LiveCD. Perhaps a kernel module is starting with the wrong parameters, or there is a bug, or whatever. Remove all pci devices except ones you need and try various sensible combinations in a sensible order to narrow down the device that is problematic. When the CD first boots, there is a splash screen where you can select which kernel to use and various options. If I remember correctly it's on the F2 key. Have a look there at stuff that can be disabled - acpi is a common culprit so try that first > Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can > install gentoo in Windows? No. alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 10:44 schrieb ext Alan McKinnon: > DirectFB was in world > emerge -uND world is up to date You should clean your world file, then. emerge udept dep -w # clean world file emerge -a --depclean revdep-rebuild emerge -DNu world HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpCRNVSib7Xw.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
Hi, I have /etc/init.d/net.eth0. I dont want it to be launch at boot, but I dont want to delete it either because it eases some things when I want to bring eth0 up. My problem is although i "del" it from the boot process with rc-update, net.eth0 is attempted to be brought up by some other tool. When no cable is plugged, it slows as hell the boot process. The message is "device initiated services: net.eth0". Then bringing up attempt comes. who the hell is trying to bring it up? The answer is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2520311 /etc/conf.d/rc - RC_PLUG_SERVICES="" + RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] What gives
Original Message- From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2006 03:28 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] What gives >Well, at least it doesn't try to restore fstab back to default anymore. ;-) >Yea, give it time, we all learn how to really screw up something after a >while. Cups is a >good one to start off with. At least it isn't a system >crasher or prevent it from booting. > >Dale There is a very good reason why I keep backups of files such as xorg.conf ;) David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list.
RE: [gentoo-user] desperation question: disklabel, unable to write to disk, etc.
I am maybe "late to the party" here but for specific types of disk failure the
freezer trick can work briefly if you have any data to recover (looks unlikely
in this case but thought I'd mention it). I did this for my friends laptop
drive a few weeks ago so he could back his stuff up to my box via Samba - the
drive was shoved in a plastic sealed bag with as much air squeezed out as
possible and left in a freezer for a few days. It lived for an hour and a half
before dying again.
(Note: the failure in this case involved the drive making a rather horrid
grinding noise)
In a rather cruel case of Murphy's law, one of my hard disks died the following
week, taking his backup with it. Nice.
David
Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success.
I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list.
> -Original Message-
> From: Mick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 December 2006 13:09
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] desperation question: disklabel, unable to
> write to disk, etc.
>
>
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 08:42, PaulNM wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > These type of messages:
> >
> > [17180157.02] hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
> SeekComplete
> > Error }
> > [17180157.02] hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError },
> > LBAsect=5, high=0, low=5, sector=0
> > [17180157.02] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> > [17180157.02] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 0
> >
> >
> > are very bad signs. Nine times out of ten it means the
> drive is dead,
> > or nearly so. The few times it's not a dead/dying drive,
> is usually due
> > to dma not being supported, or a bad cable. Given that dd is not
> > working, and nothing seems able to actually write to the drive, I'm
> > leaning towards a dead drive.
> >
> > As a last ditch attempt, you could try reseating the
> power and ide
> > cable on the drive, as well as the motherboard end of the
> ide cable. If
> > you have another system laying around, you could put the
> problem drive
> > in there to confirm it is a drive problem.
>
> I agree that in all likelihood your HD is toast. However,
> before you start
> searching on Ebay you would better follow the above advice to
> reseat cables
> and, or sockets. I used to have an IBM laptop with a
> problematic floppy
> drive that needed reseating in its socket every now and then
> to cure its boot
> problems.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems...
> -Original Message- > From: Mick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 December 2006 13:25 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Follow-up on the HDD problems... > > I've never heard of such a case before! I can't even begin > to understand why > copy protection will screw up an OS' settings. Have you > complained to the > game's suppliers? Following Sony's screw-up with their copy > protection > trojan it may be time to start asking for compensation from > all game coders > out there who take liberties with your OS (even if half the > problem may well > lie with the particular OS?). > > -- > Regards, > Mick > Unfortunately software developers can do a lot to your system under the guise of "copy protection". I for one think that there should be a written warning on the back of the box of every game that installs software on your PC for the purpose of copy protection. Some such as Starforce can cause havoc with a system. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
Hi, I am emerging X, and xextproto emerging is blocked by a freedesktop server timeout. What could be the solution (except waiting...)? Is there any other way to get it as from a "down" server? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
On Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:06, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Hi, > I am emerging X, and xextproto emerging is blocked by a freedesktop > server timeout. > What could be the solution (except waiting...)? > Is there any other way to get it as from a "down" server? Find another mirror and download it to /usr/portage/distfiles/ -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
Hi folks, Has the idea of distributing custom package.mask files occured? This way you can "mask off" certain versions of software and hence limit updates to minor changes. You can then use these on systems you want to keep as stable as possible, use a test machine to test changes to the package.mask and then roll it out. Might make management of many workstations/servers easier. Alternatively incorporating a custom package.mask into a custom boot CD could provide the basis of a Gentoo-derived custom distro? I use the word "custom" too much. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 21:19 +1030, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck wrote: > On Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:06, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > > Hi, > > I am emerging X, and xextproto emerging is blocked by a freedesktop > > server timeout. > > What could be the solution (except waiting...)? > > Is there any other way to get it as from a "down" server? > > Find another mirror and download it to /usr/portage/distfiles/ > > -- > Raymond Lewis Rebbeck or google for xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2 and download manually to /usr/portage/distfiles Slight security risk (try and choose a source that looks good) which the MD5 summing should mitigate. BillK -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
> -Original Message- > From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 January 2007 10:04 > To: Gentoo mailing list > Subject: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services > > > Hi, > I have /etc/init.d/net.eth0. > I dont want it to be launch at boot, but I dont want to > delete it either > because it eases some things when I want to bring eth0 up. > > My problem is although i "del" it from the boot process with > rc-update, > net.eth0 is attempted to be brought up by some other tool. > > When no cable is plugged, it slows as hell the boot process. > > The message is "device initiated services: net.eth0". > Then bringing up attempt comes. > who the hell is trying to bring it up? > > The answer is here: > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2520311 > > /etc/conf.d/rc > > - RC_PLUG_SERVICES="" > + RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > I tend to set the eth0 dhcpcd timeout at ~5 seconds. The DHCP server I usually use (the gentoo based server under my desk!) always responds within 5 seconds. When I'm out and about and using/"borrowing" a wireless connection it means that it only slows the boot process by 5 seconds and doesnt require me to manually enable or disable eth0. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
Hi, On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:03:34 - "Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has the idea of distributing custom package.mask files > occured? This way you can "mask off" certain versions of software and > hence limit updates to minor changes. You can then use these on > systems you want to keep as stable as possible, use a test machine to > test changes to the package.mask and then roll it out. Might make > management of many workstations/servers easier. Naah, it wouldn't work by itself. You would still have to have a "trusted state" portage tree in order to make sure what's _not_ masked. It's far easier to replicate a known-state portage tree. > Alternatively incorporating a custom package.mask into a custom boot > CD could provide the basis of a Gentoo-derived custom distro? > > I use the word "custom" too much. No, that's the outcome of this thread, I think. It's all about customization. Customization that makes a streamlined distro impossible to use for majority of Gentoo's users. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] desperation question: disklabel, unable to write to disk, etc.
I am still in limbo about this drive. I have gotten a disk scanning utility
from Gateway, and am now trying to get together a floppy to test it that
way.
I have had another HDD issue this week, on a SATA drive. I may post
separately about that. I can see partitions from Ubuntu that I cannot see
from Gentoo. Etc. Back to the laptop. I hope for the best, and suspect
that somehow the disk was corrupted by software, and if so I HOPE it can be
recovered. Otherwise, I guess I can run a live cd and save files to a usb
flash drive! I haven't heard any strange noises, but the freezer trick
would certainly be a last resort.
Alan
On 1/3/07, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am maybe "late to the party" here but for specific types of disk failure
the freezer trick can work briefly if you have any data to recover (looks
unlikely in this case but thought I'd mention it). I did this for my friends
laptop drive a few weeks ago so he could back his stuff up to my box via
Samba - the drive was shoved in a plastic sealed bag with as much air
squeezed out as possible and left in a freezer for a few days. It lived for
an hour and a half before dying again.
(Note: the failure in this case involved the drive making a rather horrid
grinding noise)
In a rather cruel case of Murphy's law, one of my hard disks died the
following week, taking his backup with it. Nice.
David
Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of
success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list.
> -Original Message-
> From: Mick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 December 2006 13:09
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] desperation question: disklabel, unable to
> write to disk, etc.
>
>
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 08:42, PaulNM wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > These type of messages:
> >
> > [17180157.02] hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
> SeekComplete
> > Error }
> > [17180157.02] hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError },
> > LBAsect=5, high=0, low=5, sector=0
> > [17180157.02] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> > [17180157.02] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 0
> >
> >
> > are very bad signs. Nine times out of ten it means the
> drive is dead,
> > or nearly so. The few times it's not a dead/dying drive,
> is usually due
> > to dma not being supported, or a bad cable. Given that dd is not
> > working, and nothing seems able to actually write to the drive, I'm
> > leaning towards a dead drive.
> >
> > As a last ditch attempt, you could try reseating the
> power and ide
> > cable on the drive, as well as the motherboard end of the
> ide cable. If
> > you have another system laying around, you could put the
> problem drive
> > in there to confirm it is a drive problem.
>
> I agree that in all likelihood your HD is toast. However,
> before you start
> searching on Ebay you would better follow the above advice to
> reseat cables
> and, or sockets. I used to have an IBM laptop with a
> problematic floppy
> drive that needed reseating in its socket every now and then
> to cure its boot
> problems.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 13:03, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: > Hi folks, > > Has the idea of distributing custom package.mask files occured? > This way you can "mask off" certain versions of software and hence > limit updates to minor changes. You can then use these on systems you > want to keep as stable as possible, use a test machine to test > changes to the package.mask and then roll it out. Might make > management of many workstations/servers easier. > > Alternatively incorporating a custom package.mask into a custom boot > CD could provide the basis of a Gentoo-derived custom distro? portage already does this, in the profile. It's what defines the 'system' package set. For an example, look in the files in /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.1/ - you can define USE flags, required packages, versions of those packages, and basically everything you mention above alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] seamonkey + updates
> -Original Message- > From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 27 December 2006 14:26 > To: gentoo-user > Subject: [gentoo-user] seamonkey + updates > > > > Hi folks, > > is it possible to build seamonkey without the whole updating > (and check-for-update) stuff ? > > > thx emerge sync && emerge -u seamonkey That's the only way I can think of David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: -Original Message- From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 January 2007 10:04 To: Gentoo mailing list Subject: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services Hi, I have /etc/init.d/net.eth0. I dont want it to be launch at boot, but I dont want to delete it either because it eases some things when I want to bring eth0 up. My problem is although i "del" it from the boot process with rc-update, net.eth0 is attempted to be brought up by some other tool. When no cable is plugged, it slows as hell the boot process. The message is "device initiated services: net.eth0". Then bringing up attempt comes. who the hell is trying to bring it up? The answer is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2520311 /etc/conf.d/rc - RC_PLUG_SERVICES="" + RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I tend to set the eth0 dhcpcd timeout at ~5 seconds. The DHCP server I usually use (the gentoo based server under my desk!) always responds within 5 seconds. When I'm out and about and using/"borrowing" a wireless connection it means that it only slows the boot process by 5 seconds and doesnt require me to manually enable or disable eth0. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. it might be a nice idea to look into how knoppix backgrounds the dhcp process and implement that into Gentoo's init, i think i did get annoyed with the dhcp process taking ages a few years back and just put a '&' at the end of the dhcp line, i cant remember if this worked or not tho. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] seamonkey + updates
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 13:58, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: > > is it possible to build seamonkey without the whole updating > > (and check-for-update) stuff ? > > > > > > thx > > emerge sync && emerge -u seamonkey > > That's the only way I can think of Seamonkey (and Mozilla/Netscape/Firefox) seem to have written so that the update ability is hard coded into them and is not an option. At least that's what the ebuild and USE flags tell me, and I'm way to lazy to investigate the Mozilla build system to get a definite answer. Besides, it's probably a horrific build system. And also besides, the update code portion probably isn't that big. What Enrico needs to do is download SeaMonkey and build it like normal, then deactivate the auto-update stuff in Preferences alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 11:36 +0100, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Hi, > I am emerging X, and xextproto emerging is blocked by a freedesktop > server timeout. > What could be the solution (except waiting...)? ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/individual/ and then mirror "lib/", "doc/",... Example with lftp + zsh (emerge zsh if not yet installed): $ cd $ mkdir xorg; cd xorg $ lftp ftp.x.org > cd pub/individual > mirror lib doc utils xproto xserver [ go an have a cup of coffee ] > quit # su # zsh # for B (**/*.bz2)(cp $B /usr/portage/distfiles/) Then it's OK. But one question. Is not there any way to get portage try another source? Why does portage try only freedesktop.org server? It appears that ftp.x.org is an up mirror: why not use it too? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 January 2007 12:06 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services > -- snip -- > it might be a nice idea to look into how knoppix backgrounds the dhcp > process and implement that into Gentoo's init, > i think i did get annoyed with the dhcp process taking ages a > few years > back and just put a '&' at the end of the dhcp line, i cant > remember if > this worked or not tho. Does this not then delay services depending on net.eth0? Although it would perhaps make sense to do init scripts in the order: 1) Everything needed to get eth0 up 2) net.eth0 3) Non network reliant stuff 4) Network reliant stuff If this makes sense ... ;> David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] desperation question: disklabel, unable to write to disk, etc.
-Original Message- From: Alan E. Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 January 2007 11:50 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] desperation question: disklabel, unable to write to disk, etc. > I am still in limbo about this drive. I have gotten a disk scanning utility > from Gateway, and am now trying to get together a floppy to test it that way. > > > I have had another HDD issue this week, on a SATA drive. I may post > separately about that. I can see partitions from Ubuntu that I > cannot see from Gentoo. Etc. Back to the laptop. I hope for the best, and > suspect that somehow the disk was corrupted by software, > and if so I HOPE it can be recovered. Otherwise, I guess I can run a live > cd and save files to a usb flash drive! I haven't heard any > strange noises, but the freezer trick would certainly be a last resort. Sounds like some sort of driver issue then surely? Or a kernel config issue. I can't say more than that about it I'm afraid - I'm not entirely sure. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list.
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 20:14 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: > or google for xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2 and download manually > to /usr/portage/distfiles It's about downloading _all_ the needed tarballs hosted on freedesktop, man. Manual way is not wise... I created a local mirror using ftp.x.org (see my other post) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:23:28 -, Nelson, David \(ED, PAR&D\) wrote: > I tend to set the eth0 dhcpcd timeout at ~5 seconds. The DHCP server I > usually use (the gentoo based server under my desk!) always responds > within 5 seconds. When I'm out and about and using/"borrowing" a > wireless connection it means that it only slows the boot process by 5 > seconds and doesnt require me to manually enable or disable eth0. Or you could emerge ifplugd, then the startup scripts won't try to initialise eth0 if no cable is detected. -- Neil Bothwick "Bother," said Pooh, as he put his finger in the mains socket. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 12:01, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 10:44 schrieb ext Alan McKinnon: > > DirectFB was in world > > emerge -uND world is up to date > > You should clean your world file, then. > > emerge udept > dep -w # clean world file > emerge -a --depclean > revdep-rebuild > emerge -DNu world That looks like a useful tool, how come I've gone all these years and never heard of it? In desperation I've decided to put DirectFB back then follow yours and Neil's suggestions and see what happens. With luck I'll spot a difference and know what I did wrong first time round. Here goes for yet another long compile session :-) alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] I want my xmms
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Barkalow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 30 December 2006 05:28 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] I want my xmms > > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, maxim wexler wrote: > > > > Will audacious not work for you? > > > > Haven't tried yet. Fellow down the list says it's a > > resource hog like mplayer. > > I don't have xmms any more to compare against, but audacious > seems to be > almost identical to it as far as I can tell. As far as memory > usage, it's > much less than, say, firefox. It is presently at the top of > my CPU usage, > but it's still only taking 1% of the CPU, so it's hard to complain. > > -Daniel > *This .sig left intentionally blank* > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > I moved to amarok, I might give audacious a shot. What about noatun for a smallish player? Not sure on it's RAM usage. Also look at Quod Libet or Banshee which are meant to be similar in features to amarok but lighter in terms of resource usage (or so I hear). David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
> -Original Message- > From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 January 2007 13:06 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services > -- snip -- > Or you could emerge ifplugd, then the startup scripts won't try to > initialise eth0 if no cable is detected. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick Ah, never knew that existed. Thanks :) David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:17, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I was recently giving DirectFB a test evaluation and would like to > remove it. My wm of choice - e17 - currently doesn't compile with > directfb on the system which changes "like to remove" to "must remove". > Should be easy enough, I've done it before: [SNIP] > But not this time. revdep-rebuild throws out about 100 of these: > > broken /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/vtemodule.la > (requires /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la) > broken /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/vtemodule.la > (requires /usr/lib/libfusion.la) > broken /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/vtemodule.la > (requires /usr/lib/libdirect.la) > > Affected packages are mostly beryl, emerald, gimp, gtk+2 and the e17 > supporting libs. It have been better to include the full output of `revdep-rebuild -i -vp` either inline or attached as a compressed file... > I've tried to remerge about 10 of them manually and > they ALL fail with this same kind of error: [SNIP] > /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link > i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -Wall -std=c9x > -fno-strict-aliasing -o pangocairo.la -rpath > /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0 -module -avoid-version > -export-symbols-regex initpangocairo pangocairo_la-pangocairomodule.lo > pangocairo_la-pangocairo.lo -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 > -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 -lcairo grep: /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la: No > such file or directory > /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la: No such file or directory > libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libdirectfb.la' is not a valid libtool archive [SNIP] > I get the revdep-rebuild output - the .la lists a lib that is not longer > there. But why the compile error? pygtk has no directfb USE flag, and I > can't figure out why it would want to grep /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la. [SNIP] Because it links against cairo which is still linked against libdirectfb.la. revdep-rebuild makes no attempt (or fails ;) to figure out in which order the packages should remerged. Cairo, pango and gtk+ are probably on the list from revdep-rebuild and should be remerged first (in that order)... -- Bo Andresen pgpUJv4yi2uYx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:26, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > rattus ~ # emerge system -ep > > > > > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > > > > > Calculating system dependencies ... done! > > > rattus ~ # > > > > > > 3 systems like this, one installed only a few months ago works. > > > > And `emerge --info` ? There's probably a better way to do this but this should output what constitutes your system packages. It should be 61 lines on your profile. # cd /etc && cd $(readlink /etc/make.profile) && \ while [[ true ]]; do if [[ -f packages ]]; then egrep -v "^$|^#" packages; fi if [[ -f parent ]]; then cd $(cat parent); else break; fi; done -- Bo Andresen pgpkDEz2YI7YJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] I want my xmms
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 15:17, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: > I moved to amarok, I might give audacious a shot. > > What about noatun for a smallish player? Not sure on it's RAM usage. > Also look at Quod Libet or Banshee which are meant to be similar in > features to amarok but lighter in terms of resource usage (or so I > hear). > > David David, this reply isn't directed at you. You just happen to be the most recent post and a convenient reply point. Throughout this thread many people have commented on audacious being a resource hog of monumental proportions. Every single one of them is wrong and this myth really needs to be debunked. Here's why: Look at the libs it links against: nazgul ~ # ldd `which audacious` linux-gate.so.1 => (0xe000) libaudacious.so.4 => /usr/lib/libaudacious.so.4 (0x440bf000) libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x43c9d000) libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x4401d000) libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x47ad) libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x47a3e000) libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 (0x4409c000) libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0xb7ed8000) libgthread-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0x480d5000) libpango-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x47b29000) libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x47a0) libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x47a39000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4f44f000) libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x4797) libglade-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglade-2.0.so.0 (0x440a6000) libxml2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 (0x4b9db000) libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x4f56) libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x4f429000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libstdc++.so.6 (0x4f583000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x4f6ef000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0x4f455000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x4f306000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4b8be000) libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x4baee000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4b9aa000) libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x4bb19000) libXi.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x4bb3a000) libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x4bb35000) libXcursor.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0x4bb23000) libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0x4bb2e000) libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x47aeb000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x4f682000) libdirectfb-0.9.so.25 => /usr/lib/libdirectfb-0.9.so.25 (0xb7e61000) libfusion-0.9.so.25 => /usr/lib/libfusion-0.9.so.25 (0xb7e5a000) libdirect-0.9.so.25 => /usr/lib/libdirect-0.9.so.25 (0xb7e4c000) libglitz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libglitz.so.1 (0x48191000) libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0xb7e29000) librt.so.1 => /lib/tls/librt.so.1 (0x4f8a8000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4f2e8000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x4b9a5000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x4f559000) It's those libs that are using the memory, not audacious. Those are shared libs, meaning many other apps on the system use them and the total memory they consume is used by all apps that use the libs. And, every one of those libs (apart from libaudacious) can reasonably be expected to be in use already on any desktop machine running X Here's 'free' before and after I started audacious in another session: nazgul ~ # free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 20769841844696 232288 0 246056 1220848 -/+ buffers/cache: 3777921699192 Swap:0 0 0 nazgul ~ # free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 20769841851528 225456 0 246060 1222324 -/+ buffers/cache: 3831441693840 Swap:0 0 0 So starting audacious consumed an extra 6M of memory - that's nowhere near the 240M other posters are incorrectly stating it uses. Top shows me this for audacious while playing a song: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 9077 alan 15 0 62112 16m 11m R 0.3 0.8 0:01.00 audacious It's using 62M of VIRTUAL memory, shared with every other app that uses the same libs. It uses 16M of resident memory (i.e. stuff in RAM), which is the 6M it used at start up, plus 10M for the song that's playing. It's a 5.5M mp3 which needs to be decompressed so any music player will use that much. Finally audacious is using 11M of s
[gentoo-user] Kopete on Gentoo / Fluxbox (SLIGHT OT)
Hi folks: I would very much like to switch to kopete on my gentoo / fluxbox laptop, it seems to compile correctly, but there are a couple of problems, Im not sure if they are specific to the gentoo version of it or across the board. 1. In the IRC module, I need to be able to set independent sounds for different chans, the settings are there under advanced notifications, but when I set them, if a message arrives in the designated chan, the sound does not play. 2. I cannot seem to turn off Join / part messages in the IRC Module If anyone can help me I'd be very appreciative Feel free to contact me off list or as W8TAH in #gentoo Thanks TIM Tim Holmes IT Manager / Webmaster / Teacher Medina Christian Academy A Higher Standard... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Kopete on Gentoo / Fluxbox (SLIGHT OT)
> -Original Message- > From: Timothy A. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 January 2007 14:25 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-user] Kopete on Gentoo / Fluxbox (SLIGHT OT) > > > Hi folks: > > I would very much like to switch to kopete on my gentoo / fluxbox > laptop, it seems to compile correctly, but there are a couple of > problems, Im not sure if they are specific to the gentoo version of it > or across the board. > > 1. In the IRC module, I need to be able to set independent sounds for > different chans, the settings are there under advanced notifications, > but when I set them, if a message arrives in the designated chan, the > sound does not play. > > 2. I cannot seem to turn off Join / part messages in the IRC Module > > If anyone can help me I'd be very appreciative > > Feel free to contact me off list or as W8TAH in #gentoo > > Thanks > > TIM > > Tim Holmes > IT Manager / Webmaster / Teacher > > Medina Christian Academy > A Higher Standard... > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > Some may disagree, but personally I'd much rather use a dedicated IRC client for IRC. I tend to use irssi although XChat is perhaps "friendlier". The latter would make it easy to see at a glance which channel(s) there was activity in. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't seem to remove DirectFB
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 15:36, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:17, Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] > > Affected packages are mostly beryl, emerald, gimp, gtk+2 and the > > e17 supporting libs. > > It have been better to include the full output of `revdep-rebuild -i > -vp` either inline or attached as a compressed file... I didn't do that as it's very long, and I was actually looking for a deeper understanding of what's going on below the covers. Which I think you might have given below [SNIP] > > I get the revdep-rebuild output - the .la lists a lib that is not > > longer there. But why the compile error? pygtk has no directfb USE > > flag, and I can't figure out why it would want to grep > > /usr/lib/libdirectfb.la. > > [SNIP] > > Because it links against cairo which is still linked against > libdirectfb.la. revdep-rebuild makes no attempt (or fails ;) to > figure out in which order the packages should remerged. Cairo, pango > and gtk+ are probably on the list from revdep-rebuild and should be > remerged first (in that order)... Ah, this makes sense, and I hadn't considered this indirection. emerge world is still running so when it finishes I'll let you know if it fixes things. Thanks, alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB freezes the machine...
Hi, Does it work on other system ? like freebsd (live cd => freebies), or Windows (M$$) ??? yes they are working an a Win machine and on a machine with Debian stable (3.1). Could you give us the model of your material ? I don't remember, it's a hard drive ? yes it's an hard drive. The fact is i'm experiencing freezing with the two external HD i own... they are really different, one is a Lacie HD and the other is a 2.5" HD contained in an external case. This is my lspci -v regarding USB: 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 0051 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 6 I/O ports at 1800 [size=32] 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 0051 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 6 I/O ports at 1820 [size=32] 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 0051 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 6 I/O ports at 1840 [size=32] 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 0051 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 Memory at d000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [58] Debug port Regards, m -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: I want my xmms
On 2007-01-03, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 03 January 2007 15:17, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: > >> I moved to amarok, I might give audacious a shot. >> >> What about noatun for a smallish player? Not sure on it's RAM usage. >> Also look at Quod Libet or Banshee which are meant to be similar in >> features to amarok but lighter in terms of resource usage (or so I >> hear). >> >> David > > David, this reply isn't directed at you. You just happen to be the most > recent post and a convenient reply point. > > Throughout this thread many people have commented on audacious being a > resource hog of monumental proportions. Every single one of them is > wrong and this myth really needs to be debunked. Here's why: > > Look at the libs it links against: [...] > It's those libs that are using the memory, not audacious. Those are > shared libs, meaning many other apps on the system use them That's only relevent if there are other apps running that use those libraries. Even if you assume they _are_ all used by other apps, audacious still uses huge amounts of non-shared memory: Here's my "top" display sorted by memory usage: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 2743 root 15 0 56604 33m 9.9m S 0.0 2.2 10:59.72 X 20384 grante15 0 58696 14m 9696 R 0.0 1.0 0:00.54 audacious 2771 grante15 0 32796 12m 7968 S 0.0 0.8 0:04.56 xfce4-session 2782 grante15 0 31176 9784 6968 S 0.0 0.6 0:04.66 xfce4-panel 7195 root 18 0 20692 9200 4476 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.41 apache2 2784 grante15 0 32304 9096 7076 S 0.0 0.6 0:31.95 gkrellm 2773 grante15 0 30912 8876 5832 S 0.0 0.6 0:03.89 xfce-mcs-manage 2780 grante18 0 13508 8352 6052 S 0.0 0.5 0:09.53 xfdesktop 7696 roundup 18 0 11400 7268 1464 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.41 roundup-server 2778 grante15 0 12488 7148 5740 S 0.0 0.5 0:07.98 xftaskbar4 18057 apache17 0 20692 6672 1924 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.00 apache2 18058 apache20 0 20692 6672 1924 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.00 apache2 18059 apache19 0 20692 6672 1924 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.00 apache2 The X server is using 56M of virtual memory with 33M resident and 10M shared. Audacious is using 58M of with 14M resident and 10M shared. > and the total memory they consume is used by all apps that use > the libs. And, every one of those libs (apart from > libaudacious) can reasonably be expected to be in use already > on any desktop machine running X Nonsense. Audacious is using 44MB of non-shared virtual memory on my system. 44MB out of 58MB is not shared. > Here's 'free' before and after I started audacious in another session: > > nazgul ~ # free > total used free sharedbuffers > cached > Mem: 20769841844696 232288 0 246056 > 1220848 > -/+ buffers/cache: 3777921699192 > Swap:0 0 0 > nazgul ~ # free > total used free sharedbuffers > cached > Mem: 20769841851528 225456 0 246060 > 1222324 > -/+ buffers/cache: 3831441693840 > Swap:0 0 0 > > So starting audacious consumed an extra 6M of memory - that's nowhere > near the 240M other posters are incorrectly stating it uses. I've no idea where the number 240M came from, you didn't hear it from me. It's about 14MB of resident (6MB reduction in "free" memory) on my system, which makes it the second largest memory user (second only to the X server). > So, anyone that says audacious is a resource hog is plain flat > out wrong You don't think that 58M of virtual memory usage isn't a resource hog when the X server only requires 56M and the next largest program is 32M? Virtual memory _is_ a resource, though not an expensive one. > and does not know how the Linux virtual memory system works. > It is complex and almost impossible to know what is going on > at any instant in time, but that's no excuse for people being > wrong by a factor of 500% -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! All this time I've at been VIEWING a RUSSIAN visi.comMIDGET SODOMIZE a HOUSECAT! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: I want my xmms
Hi, On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:27:41 + (UTC) Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The X server is using 56M of virtual memory with 33M resident > and 10M shared. Audacious is using 58M of with 14M resident > and 10M shared. "possibly" shared, to be exact. Whether it actually _is_ shared is not determined by ps. > > and the total memory they consume is used by all apps that use > > the libs. And, every one of those libs (apart from > > libaudacious) can reasonably be expected to be in use already > > on any desktop machine running X > > Nonsense. Audacious is using 44MB of non-shared virtual memory > on my system. 44MB out of 58MB is not shared. And what exactly was the nonsense? > I've no idea where the number 240M came from, you didn't hear > it from me. It's about 14MB of resident (6MB reduction in > "free" memory) on my system, which makes it the second largest > memory user (second only to the X server). Most probably not considering openoffice, Thunderbirg, Firefox/Opera & Co, right? In order to have huge VSZ, you just have to mmap a big fat file. And there you go. And what does that mean for the memory footprint of the program? Can you now call it a "resource hog"? Most likely not. > > So, anyone that says audacious is a resource hog is plain flat > > out wrong > > You don't think that 58M of virtual memory usage isn't a > resource hog when the X server only requires 56M and the next > largest program is 32M? Virtual memory _is_ a resource, > though not an expensive one. Errrm, to get back to my example above: Mmap'ing a file (and increasing your programs VSZ) is often much more elegant than classic procedural fseek'ing and fread'ing. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes that causing the program to become a "resource hog". The VM subsystem will care that exactly those parts of the file will be cached, buffered, accessed and (if needed) copied that are used. On the opposite, if the program was programmed to overcommit absurd amounts of memory, mmap'ing wrong/unneeded files or even doesn't free() correctly, then I would agree that it's likely to be a resource hog. But your points just aren't valid by themselves for that statement here. "Virtual Memory" is _not_ the summed up amount of RAM and Swap. It's an abstracted memory, on kernel code layer. Also, remember that Linux has per process page tables. So VSZ isn't expensive by any means -- up to the point that the process itself reaches the system's limit for virtual memory. And what does that mean for the "memory hog" claim? Nothing, absolutely nothing. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Several arches installed, flag kernel automatically
Hi, I have here two gentoo systems one 32-bit and one 64-bit. To save space on my harddisk the mounts /home and /boot are used from both systems. Now I have the problem with the kernel version. Both systems running kernel 2.6.18-gentoo-r6. If I install now the kernel from the 64-bit system it overwrites the kernel from the 32-bit system. In the kernel config is a variable available LOCALVERSION to append some text to the kernel to prevent the overwrite. Is it possible to global define this variable e.g. in /etc/make.conf? Thx a lot, Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Kopete on Gentoo / Fluxbox (SLIGHT OT)
> Hi folks: > > I would very much like to switch to kopete on my gentoo / fluxbox > laptop, it seems to compile correctly, but there are a couple of > problems, Im not sure if they are specific to the gentoo version of it > or across the board. > > 1. In the IRC module, I need to be able to set independent sounds for > different chans, the settings are there under advanced notifications, > but when I set them, if a message arrives in the designated chan, the > sound does not play. > > 2. I cannot seem to turn off Join / part messages in the IRC Module > > If anyone can help me I'd be very appreciative David: I am currently using Xchat, which I like, but has a few annoyances to it as well, the biggest thing about kopete is having an all in one (and the IRC module in gaim is TERRIBLE!!!) as well as some easier to use interfaes and stuff TIM Tim Holmes IT Manager / Webmaster / Teacher > > Feel free to contact me off list or as W8TAH in #gentoo > > Thanks > > TIM > > Tim Holmes > IT Manager / Webmaster / Teacher > > Medina Christian Academy > A Higher Standard... > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > Some may disagree, but personally I'd much rather use a dedicated IRC client for IRC. I tend to use irssi although XChat is perhaps "friendlier". The latter would make it easy to see at a glance which channel(s) there was activity in. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] using xsane with a network scanner (hp officejet 7310)
xsane was working great with my old hp officejet 7130s (note 7130 not 7310) that were connected to my laptop via usb (one 7130 at each of two sites). The home 7130 died and is replaced by a 7310, which is a network device. It's local IP number is 192.168.1.50 and as a printer it works great from every machine on our network. I need to figure out what name I should must when invoking xsane. If I try just xsane it complains that it can't open an hp1200 (laserprinter), which is not plugged in and if I plug it in I gent [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/.sane/xsane $ xsane *** glibc detected *** xsane: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb7419391 *** === Backtrace: = /lib/libc.so.6[0xb773dbab] /usr/lib/sane/libsane-hpaio.so.1(sane_hpaio_open+0x28d)[0xb740fb09] /usr/lib/libsane.so.1(sane_dll_open+0xde)[0xb7f4ee36] /usr/lib/libsane.so.1(sane_open+0x24)[0xb7f4f4c9] xsane[0x80b5d66] xsane[0x80b8b35] xsane[0x80b9d42] /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc)[0xb76f2864] xsane[0x804ea41] === Memory map: 08048000-080d2000 r-xp 16:03 801781 /usr/bin/xsane 080d2000-080d7000 rw-p 00089000 16:03 801781 /usr/bin/xsane 080d7000-081d2000 rw-p 080d7000 00:00 0 [heap] [[ more lines deleted ]] I have hplip-0.9.7-r3 installed I presume that if I type xsane it would find the scanner, but can't figure out the correct name. Thanks in advance, allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-drivers vs nvidia-legacy-drivers
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>I had that exact problem and removed nvidia-settings - it went away.
>Pete
Same here. Thanks.
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[gentoo-user] Re: I want my xmms
On 2007-01-03, Hans-Werner Hilse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You don't think that 58M of virtual memory usage isn't a >> resource hog when the X server only requires 56M and the next >> largest program is 32M? Virtual memory _is_ a resource, >> though not an expensive one. > > Errrm, to get back to my example above: Mmap'ing a file (and increasing > your programs VSZ) is often much more elegant than classic procedural > fseek'ing and fread'ing. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes that causing > the program to become a "resource hog". The VM subsystem will care that > exactly those parts of the file will be cached, buffered, accessed and > (if needed) copied that are used. You're right. For some reason I was thinking that that virtual memory was taking up swap space, but it's almost certainly just read-only pages that never hit swap at all. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is this TERMINAL fun? at visi.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Several arches installed, flag kernel automatically
On 1/3/07, Matthias Fechner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I have here two gentoo systems one 32-bit and one 64-bit. To save space on my harddisk the mounts /home and /boot are used from both systems. Now I have the problem with the kernel version. Both systems running kernel 2.6.18-gentoo-r6. If I install now the kernel from the 64-bit system it overwrites the kernel from the 32-bit system. I assume you're using "make install" after building your kernel? I usually do a "cp arch/[insert your arch here]/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-[version string]" (and then one for the System.map) Would that do what you want? -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:55:50PM +0800, Chuanwen Wu wrote: > Oh,God! > I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned > another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso". > The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which > appears at 68%'s progress. Try disabling autodetection (one of parameters, see help before it boots). > Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can > install gentoo in Windows? Yes, you can get an amulator and run virtual machine, even under Windows. However, I guess you do not really want to compile it all in emulated machine… -- Michal "vorner" Vaner == This email has been checked by an automatic damage possibility check system. It can contain harmful instructions if read backwards. Internal checker ID: lacol.cr/cte/ << tlah ohce pgpHeSvIBvhef.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] madwifi-ng use flag
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi folk, which is the best for madwifi-ng? amrr or onoe? amrr --> Adaptive Multi Rate Retry bit rate control algorithm onoe --> Atsushi Onoe's bit rate control algorithm i'll use this driver to make an access for my office tnx -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFm+f2pidk8BrvGZARAjC4AJ9/nmNdAR8HwGj8E42G4a3aesXiXQCfXa3/ iczWRwsY0peMrUjnNPgPXew= =MdJm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Several arches installed, flag kernel automatically
Hello Ryan, * Ryan Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-01-07 12:11]: > I assume you're using "make install" after building your kernel? I > usually do a "cp arch/[insert your arch here]/boot/bzImage > /boot/kernel-[version string]" (and then one for the System.map) > Would that do what you want? No :) I want to use make install and the Makefile should not generate a vmlinuz it should generate a vmlinuz-$LOCALVERSION. You know if that is possible? Thx a lot Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:32:08 +0300 "Andrey Gerasimenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: use: nodetect nosmp and noapci noapic set on using the livecd? Perhaps you'd have better luck with a minimal. > On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:55:50 +0300, Chuanwen Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Oh,God! > > I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned > > another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso". > > The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which > > appears at 68%'s progress. > > You may install Gentoo from any live CD. I installed mine from > Knoppix, but it looks like any live CD will do. > I also do not see how Windows 2003 or whatever being installed can > prevent your system from booting a CD. Much more likely, it is a > hardware or BIOS (not likely, but still a better guess than Windows). > You may try to remove all PCI devices except the video card and try > to boot the CD again. > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 13:09:37 +0100 Mihamina Rakotomandimby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ go an have a cup of coffee ] that is a _Very_ good idea... > But one question. Is not there any way to get portage try another > source? Why does portage try only freedesktop.org server? It appears > that ftp.x.org is an up mirror: why not use it too? > if you have a list of gentoo mirrors in make.conf, namely the kind of list generated by mirrorselect, you will get the cascading mirror thing you desire. Be warned though, i have never found it a helpful remedy. Usually, if you don't set a mirror at all, everything works fine. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
you can name the kernels in /boot anything, so long as the name is referenced in /boot/grub/grub.conf correctly. you can decrease the boot time by giving your dhcp client a timeout value in seconds. I use 10 seconds for my desktops, because if my dhcpserver isn't responding by then, it's probably broken. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Alan McKinnon wrote: > The only possible thing etc-update could ever do is look for trivial > changes and ignore them. How would you detect the difference between > non-trivial changes to shipped versions and non-trivial changes made > locally? Keep a copy of the config files for installed packages somewhere in /var, and provide etc-update with "this is the version we shipped that's going away" on package removal. Currently, it only keeps the hash of the config file that goes with a package, so it can only tell whether there was a change in the shipped version, not what that change was. Portage actually has enough information to detect that the user has modified a CONFIG_PROTECTed file (moveme and destmd5 != cfgfiledict.get[myrealdest]), but doesn't test this or communicate it to etc-update. > You can't say that if the config file exists and hasn't > changed since installation then overwrite it with the new shipped > version - that might change the behaviour of an *existing* system > (without notification) if the user likes the old way and does not like > the new way. I didn't say it shouldn't require interaction to get the new shipped version; I said it should require extra confirmation to discard changes made locally. It should also be able to offer 3-way merge instead of 2-way, and automatically retain local changes that don't conflict with shipped changes. > > It's understood that there is a difference between what I'm using now > > and what new package comes with. But there's no information on > > whether that difference came from local modifications. > > And neither should there be. Etc-update knows the files are *different* > and stops right there. Evaluating what that difference means is a > human's job because it's not a monkey-see, monkey-do process. What the difference means is up to the humans, but there's no reason, aside from having carelessly lost information previously, that it doesn't know where the change came from; that part isn't up to human interpretation, and it's valuable information for humans trying to evaluate what the difference means. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg.freedesktop.org server down, xextproto
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 11:57 -0600, Dan wrote: > if you have a list of gentoo mirrors in make.conf, namely the kind of > list generated by mirrorselect, you will get the cascading mirror > thingyou desire. Be warned though, i have never found it a helpful > remedy. But I noticed "X" stuffs related to freedesktop are not downloaded from a gentoo mirror but from the freedesktop's servers. So: How to manage? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-laptop] Re: [gentoo-user] USB freezes the machine...
Hi Devon, Please run lsusb -v on the Debian system with the USB drive installed. this is the relevant result of lsusb -v in the Debian system: Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0402:5642 ALi Corp. Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x0402 ALi Corp. idProduct 0x5642 bcdDevice1.00 iManufacturer 0 iProduct1 USB 2.0 Storage Device iSerial 2 12345678901234567890 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 32 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk (Zip) iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes2 Transfer TypeBulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes2 Transfer TypeBulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 1 Device Qualifier (for other device speed): bLength10 bDescriptorType 6 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize064 bNumConfigurations 1 Device Status: 0x0001 Self Powered Bus 004 Device 001: ID : Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x idProduct 0x bcdDevice2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.17-2-686 ehci_hcd iProduct2 EHCI Host Controller iSerial 1 :00:03.3 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed hub iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes3 Transfer TypeInterrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 1x 2 bytes bInterval 12 Hub Descriptor: bLength 11 bDescriptorType 41 nNbrPorts 8 wHubCharacteristic 0x000a No power switching (usb 1.0) Per-port overcurrent protection TT think time 8 FS bits bPwrOn2PwrGood 10 * 2 milli seconds bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere DeviceRemovable0x00 0x00 PortPwrCtrlMask0xff 0xff Hub Port Status: Port 1: .0100 power Port 2: . Port 3: .0100 power Port 4: .0100 power Port 5: . Port 6: .0100 power Port 7: .0503 highspeed power enable connect Port 8: .0503 highspeed power enable connect Device Status: 0x0003 Self Powered Remote Wakeup Enabled Bus 003 Device 001: ID : Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed hub bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x idProduct 0x bcdDevice2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.17-2-686 ohci_hcd iProduct2 OHCI Host Controller iSerial
[gentoo-user] undefined symbol help?
I'm getting the following when I try to start gnormalize: /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux/auto/Gtk2/Gtk2.so: undefined symbol: gtk_assistant_get_type I tried remerging gtk+ and gnormalize but I still get the error. Any ideas? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:21:02 -0500 (EST), Daniel Barkalow wrote: > > > The issue is that etc-update doesn't have the version of the config > > file as installed by the version of the package that's being replaced, > > so it can't tell the difference between non-trivial changes to the > > config file as shipped by gentoo between the old version and the new > > version and non-trivial local modifications that I've made myself to a > > config file which has not been changed between package versions. I've > > definitely had etc-update ask for confirmation on files I'm sure I > > didn't change > > I haven't use etc-update for a while, but dispatch-conf can do this. > > # Automerge files that the user hasn't modified > # (yes or no) > replace-unmodified=no > > Whether this is a good idea is a completely separate issue. If a service > had a config file change between versions and the file was updated to the > new format while the old daemon was still running, the results could be > "interesting". I actually wanted the opposite feature: have an extra confirmation required for replacing a locally-modified file. And it shouldn't require all of the extra bookkeeping of dispatch-conf to get this, although dispatch-conf is clearly a lot closer. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:45:00 -0500 (EST), Daniel Barkalow wrote:
>
> > Perhaps it just needs to be more popular, or maybe it needs to
> > understand slots better (in order to be popular). I know that all of
> > the kernels I install tell me that support for devfs was removed long
> > before the oldest kernel available in portage as of when I installed
> > the machine.
>
> File a bug, the ebuild shouldn't be reporting this if it is unnecessary or
> confusing.
I think I'll wait a little while for the new bug tracker, but that's
something worth reporting, I guess.
> > It also doesn't look like it's something where it would be able to
> > choose to upgrade postfix 2.2.10 to 2.2.10-r1 instead of to 2.3.5
> > because 2.3.5 would require help and 2.2.10-r1 is automatic.
>
> This is Gentoo, you are supposed to make those sort of decisions for
> yourself. Automatic updates go against the "the admin is in control"
> ethos.
Gentoo makes a lot of the particular version decisions based on your
policy decisions. E.g., it'll currently use 2.2.10 and not either
2.2.10-r1 or 2.3.5 if you don't have ~x86. It would make sense to have
>=2.3 masked ("by user-intervention requirement") if you have <2.3
installed, like 2.2.10-r1 is masked "by keyword". Masking >=2.3 by hand
works, but it would be nice to exactly mask the ebuilds that would call
die in pkg_setup given your status.
(For that matter, it would be nice to have emerge able to tell you about
masked versions that you might find interesting; I was interested in mysql
5 going stable, despite having >=4.1 masked, and didn't find out until a
while later)
-Daniel
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[gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application that could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could alter any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of a project. I also hope to be able to export that info somehow. This attempted project will only be fully useful if I can get the database in some form into my Palm after it is created. Any such packages in portage that anyone can recommend for such a project? Any tips from anyone who has attempted such a project? Also, I am running Gentoo amd64, so the app(s) will need to run on that platform. Thanks in advance Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
On Thursday, 4 January 2007 7:47, Sean wrote: > I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. > It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application that > could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could alter > any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of a project. > > I also hope to be able to export that info somehow. This attempted > project will only be fully useful if I can get the database in some form > into my Palm after it is created. > > Any such packages in portage that anyone can recommend for such a project? > Any tips from anyone who has attempted such a project? > > Also, I am running Gentoo amd64, so the app(s) will need to run on that > platform. > > Thanks in advance > Sean I'm not sure if it's what you're after but Amarok can create a music collection database using either sqlite, mysql or postgresql. I believe it can use musicbrainz for automatic tagging, although I have no experience with it. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
Sean wrote: I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application that could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could alter any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of a project. I also hope to be able to export that info somehow. This attempted project will only be fully useful if I can get the database in some form into my Palm after it is created. Any such packages in portage that anyone can recommend for such a project? Any tips from anyone who has attempted such a project? Also, I am running Gentoo amd64, so the app(s) will need to run on that platform. Thanks in advance Sean I would recommend / try tellico. Steve -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I want my xmms
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:05:18 +0200 Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Throughout this thread many people have commented on audacious being a > resource hog of monumental proportions. Every single one of them is > wrong and this myth really needs to be debunked. Here's why: I agree. I'm still using xmms so I can compare. Here are few lines from top (displaying a Mem window - 'Shift+g 3'). Both players were playing same mp3 file. PID %MEM VIRT SWAP RES CODE DATA SHR nFLT nDRT S PR %CPU COMMAND 8810 10.9 172m 62m 109m 1620 108m 9104 7790 S 15 0.0 X 11170 9.7 308m 210m 97m 80 129m 19m 8970 S 15 0.0 firefox-bin 7750 2.0 164m 143m 20m 480 41m 11m 1170 R 15 0.0 audacious 7810 1.8 49940 30m 17m 1524 9m 5016 720 S 15 0.0 emacs 7739 1.1 149m 138m 11m 984 59m 7816 490 R 15 0.0 xmms Although audacious eats twice more resident memory than xmms, I think it's not that bad to call it 'resource hog'. You can see real resource hogs on the first two lines. :-) Btw, how do you guys get so little virtual memory? :-O Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge ruby-glade fails
hey all, emerge ruby-glade fails with the following error: Install ruby-glib2-0.16.0 into /var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/ruby- glib2-0.16.0/image/ category dev-ruby make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/ruby-glib2-0.16.0 /work/ruby-gnome2-all-0.16.0/glib/src' /bin/install -c -m 0755 glib2.so /var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/ruby-glib2-0.16.0 /image//usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/i686-linux make[1]: /bin/install: Command not found make[1]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/ruby-glib2-0.16.0/image//usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/i686-linux/glib2.so] Error 127 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/ruby-glib2-0.16.0 /work/ruby-gnome2-all-0.16.0/glib/src' make: *** [install] Error 2 then: which install returns: /usr/bin/install how could this be fixed? greets, Karsten
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome Power Management
On 1/2/07, Randy Barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've added apps/gnome-power-manager, and then I made the battery_percentage_low key and set it to 5, and now the problem is gone. But I still wonder if this is a bug I should file, or just leave it be. It seems like this key should have been initialized to *something* for me by the ebuild so that I didn't get an error every time I started gnome after an upgrade, but that might just be my opinion... I had this problem as well a while back - it's an error in the ebuild or the package, I can't exactly remember (didn't have time to document/file a bug when I had the problem and found the solution) - basically, in 2.16.2, the install is missing a step that creates/initializes various gconf settings - To get aroundd it at the time, I installed 2.16.1, which does do the initialization, then upgraded to 2.16.2. 2.16.2 is no longer in the tree, but you should be able to get it from the archives (forget where/how, someone else will speak up who knows). Also, this *is* something you want to do (even though you have already manually fixed the immediate error pop-up) - there's *alot* of settings in addition to the battery_percentage_low setting that should be there for proper fun and happiness with gnome-power-manager. HTH- James Randy Barlow http://www.electronsweatshop.com Jesuit priests are DATING CAREER DIPLOMATS!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] seamonkey + updates
On 1/3/07, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 03 January 2007 13:58, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: > > is it possible to build seamonkey without the whole updating > > (and check-for-update) stuff ? > > > > > > thx > > emerge sync && emerge -u seamonkey > > That's the only way I can think of Seamonkey (and Mozilla/Netscape/Firefox) seem to have written so that the update ability is hard coded into them and is not an option. At least that's what the ebuild and USE flags tell me, and I'm way to lazy to investigate the Mozilla build system to get a definite answer. Besides, it's probably a horrific build system. And also besides, the update code portion probably isn't that big. What Enrico needs to do is download SeaMonkey and build it like normal, then deactivate the auto-update stuff in Preferences alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I can't speak for Seamonkey, but for Firefox, at least the 3.0a version, there is an option to disable automatic checking for updates. Go into preferences, then advanced, then update. -- - Mark Shields
Re: [gentoo-laptop] Re: [gentoo-user] USB freezes the machine...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Could you try to mount device with "sync" option ? It's strange, your lspci show you have uhci usb controller and lspci -v said you have ohci controller ... do you have a usb2 pci card ? if yes, you will need ohci + uhci to support usb and ehci for usb 2 try your device on each one (mothercard usb, and pci usb) try with sync option (slower, but safer :) ) say us the result -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - WinPT 1.0.1 iD8DBQFFnDl1Eg3iyspSWPARApZVAJ9E5mcWtExTwAfC14isC+NLsf3bggCfbva1 YU4GUR+scaqS4QNRsq3b56c= =1XUm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
Sean wrote: > I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. > It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application that > could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could alter > any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of a project. > > I also hope to be able to export that info somehow. This attempted > project will only be fully useful if I can get the database in some form > into my Palm after it is created. > > Any such packages in portage that anyone can recommend for such a project? > Any tips from anyone who has attempted such a project? > > Also, I am running Gentoo amd64, so the app(s) will need to run on that > platform. > > Thanks in advance > Sean As someone else on the list suggested, I recommend Tellico all the way. One of the things I like about Tellico (besides that it's visually pleasing) is that it allows you to record if you have loaned any of your collection to someone else. If you read Linux Journal and are aware of the "Cooking with Linux" column, this article was written about Tellico: http://www.marcelgagne.com/cwl042005.html And you can apparently export to your Palm, according to this article. Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 21:30, Steve Dibb wrote: > Sean wrote: > > I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. > > It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application > > that could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could > > alter any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of > > a project. > > > > I also hope to be able to export that info somehow. This attempted > > project will only be fully useful if I can get the database in some > > form into my Palm after it is created. > > > > Any such packages in portage that anyone can recommend for such a > > project? > > Any tips from anyone who has attempted such a project? > > > > Also, I am running Gentoo amd64, so the app(s) will need to run on > > that platform. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Sean > > I would recommend / try tellico. > I also would recommend tellico. It should suit your needs as it can export the data to pilot-DB which is an open source database for Palms. See http://pilot-db.sourceforge.net/ Steve -- Steve EvansE-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB:http://www.gorbag.com Registered Linux user #217906: http://counter.li.org Public Encryption Key: http://www.gorbag.com/public-key.html 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GNU/Linux 23:41:42 up 4 days, 12:13, 1 user, load average: 0.51, 0.51, 0.37 Stewie Griffin: [thinks] How wonderful it will be to have mother back! Brian Griffin: [thinks] I heard that. Stewie Griffin: [thinks] Damn! pgpP1TEbBJhxY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
Sean wrote: > I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. > It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application > that could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could > alter any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of > a project. > > I also hope to be able to export that info somehow. This attempted > project will only be fully useful if I can get the database in some > form into my Palm after it is created. > > Any such packages in portage that anyone can recommend for such a > project? > Any tips from anyone who has attempted such a project? > > Also, I am running Gentoo amd64, so the app(s) will need to run on > that platform. > > Thanks in advance > Sean My vote goes to media-sound/amarok. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undefined symbol help?
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 12:09 -0800, Grant wrote: > I tried remerging gtk+ and gnormalize but I still get the error. Any ideas? Try to run revdep-rebuild! Randy Barlow http://www.electronsweatshop.com NAPOLEON: What shall we do with this soldier, Giuseppe? Everything he says is wrong. GIUSEPPE: Make him a general, Excellency, and then everything he says will be right. -- G. B. Shaw, "The Man of Destiny" -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ruby-glade fails
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 21:49 +, karlos wrote: > make[1]: /bin/install: Command not found > which install returns: /usr/bin/install > how could this be fixed? Well, it's /bin/install... $ equery b /bin/install [ Searching for file(s) /bin/install in *... ] sys-apps/coreutils-6.4 (/bin/install) Re-emerge coreutils and see if that helps you! Randy Barlow http://www.electronsweatshop.com NAPOLEON: What shall we do with this soldier, Giuseppe? Everything he says is wrong. GIUSEPPE: Make him a general, Excellency, and then everything he says will be right. -- G. B. Shaw, "The Man of Destiny" -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: acpi battery events, Sony FS740
Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 01:27 -0600, »Q« wrote: > > > I have a Sony Vaio FS740 laptop, and I have power management set up > > mostly to my liking, but with one problem. ACPI receives battery > > events when the AC is connect and when it is unconnected, but also > > at other times, and I don't know how to distinguish. > > It could be a number of things - perhaps you have a faulty cable / > connection, which is causing ACPI events because it thinks it's just > been unplugged, and replugged. > > Or perhaps your thinkpad sends ACPI events when the battery has > reached certain charge levels... don't know - someone with the same > laptop will have to comment. > > Do these spontaneous ACPI events only happen when plugged in? or only > when unplugged, or both? . They happen whether or not it's plugged in. Sony won't tell anybody how their ACPI stuff works, and AFAICT from some more googling, no one is sure exactly what is going on with any given model. > To get around it, perhaps you could keep "state" with a file. eg > (untested): [big snip] > HTH! It certainly did; thanks very much! After some tinkering (my understanding of testing syntax in bash scripts is pretty weak), I've got the scheme you suggested working fine. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: acpi battery events, Sony FS740
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 19:46 -0600, »Q« wrote: > Iain Buchanan wrote: > > > To get around it, perhaps you could keep "state" with a file. eg > > (untested): > > [big snip] > > > HTH! > > It certainly did; thanks very much! After some tinkering (my > understanding of testing syntax in bash scripts is pretty weak), I've > got the scheme you suggested working fine. cool, thanks for letting me know! glad I could help. I just had a thought though - the file you use should probably go somewhere more sane, like /var/run or something like that. cya, -- Iain Buchanan I'm sure a mathematician would claim that 0 and 1 are both very interesting numbers. :-) -- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 device initiated services
> Or you could emerge ifplugd, then the startup scripts won't try to > initialise eth0 if no cable is detected. Another alternative is netplug. I don't know how they compare, but I'm using netplug sucessfully. http://www.red-bean.com/~bos/netplug/README Rgs, Adam -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB freezes the machine...
On 1/1/07, Marco Calviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: # uname -a Linux 2.6.18-gentoo-r4 #1 PREEMPT Tue Dec 19 12:25:55 CET 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux and as you can see i'm using gentoo-sources. It looks like this was upgraded recently too, no? Did it work at one point with this kernel? -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] external USB harddrive
Does anyone have one of these? :-) It mounts when I connect it but a user can't unmount it. My USB memory stick and USB card reader work fine. It is only the hard drive that I can't unmount as a user. I don't have or want an /etc/fstab entry for it, I should be able to configure KDE to handle it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Music Database Collection
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 17:49, Daniel Iliev wrote: > Sean wrote: > > I would like to create a database of some sort for my music collection. > > It is large so I thought that somehow I could use some application > > that could pull the info from a freebd server and if I wished I could > > alter any info. Try to entering it all by hand will be just to big of > > a project. > My vote goes to media-sound/amarok. Yeah mine goes to Amarok too. I've got a lot of music. I love the ability to use a proper DB as my backend. I use postgresql and the DB is currently 7.0 gigs. It was much much larger until I enabled autovaccuum... By having your musicDB split off onto a postgres backend you can do whatever you like with it. -- Zac Slade [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:1415282 YM:krakrjak AIM:ttyp99 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] where is PID_MAX_DEFAULT ?
Hi all, I was just trying to compile one of my programs that includes linux/threads.h for the #define PID_MAX_DEFAULT, however, threads.h isn't there anymore! I've just upgraded linux-headers to 2.6.19 - is this the problem? I can't find a replacement for PID_MAX_DEFAULT anywhere in the header files - has the name changed? google was also unhelpful AFAICT. I'd appreciate help! thanks, -- Iain Buchanan Nothing cures insomnia like the realization that it's time to get up. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] where is PID_MAX_DEFAULT ?
I could find thread.h file there! Maybe your tar ball of kernel has been damaged! you could download it again and have a try ! On 1/4/07, Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I was just trying to compile one of my programs that includes linux/threads.h for the #define PID_MAX_DEFAULT, however, threads.h isn't there anymore! I've just upgraded linux-headers to 2.6.19 - is this the problem? I can't find a replacement for PID_MAX_DEFAULT anywhere in the header files - has the name changed? google was also unhelpful AFAICT. I'd appreciate help! thanks, -- Iain Buchanan Nothing cures insomnia like the realization that it's time to get up. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] where is PID_MAX_DEFAULT ?
Iain Buchanan wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just trying to compile one of my programs that includes > linux/threads.h for the #define PID_MAX_DEFAULT, however, threads.h > isn't there anymore! > > I've just upgraded linux-headers to 2.6.19 - is this the problem? I > can't find a replacement for PID_MAX_DEFAULT anywhere in the header > files - has the name changed? > > google was also unhelpful AFAICT. I'd appreciate help! > > thanks, > grep -n PID_MAX_DEFAULT /usr/include/linux/threads.h 28:#define PID_MAX_DEFAULT 0x8000 33:#define PID_MAX_LIMIT (sizeof(long) > 4 ? 4*1024*1024 : PID_MAX_DEFAULT) It comes with "sys-kernel/linux-headers". Since it s a system package you should already have it. There is also another version of "threads.h" which comes with the kernel source: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/threads.h, but AFAIK it is recommended to use the first one. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] where is PID_MAX_DEFAULT ?
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 08:48 +0200, Daniel Iliev wrote: > Iain Buchanan wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I was just trying to compile one of my programs that includes > > linux/threads.h for the #define PID_MAX_DEFAULT, however, threads.h > > isn't there anymore! [snip] > grep -n PID_MAX_DEFAULT /usr/include/linux/threads.h > 28:#define PID_MAX_DEFAULT 0x8000 > 33:#define PID_MAX_LIMIT (sizeof(long) > 4 ? 4*1024*1024 : PID_MAX_DEFAULT) $ ls /usr/include/linux/threads.h ls: cannot access /usr/include/linux/threads.h: No such file or directory $ slocate threads.h /usr/include/X11/Xthreads.h /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/threads.h /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus-threads.h /usr/include/stlport/stl/_threads.h /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/include/g++-v3/bits/stl_threads.h /usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/threads.h /usr/share/doc/libvorbis-1.1.2/txt/doc/vorbisfile/threads.html /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-suspend2/include/linux/threads.h /usr/src/linux-2.6.19-suspend2-r1/include/linux/threads.h but I don't want to -I any of those! > It comes with "sys-kernel/linux-headers". $ equery l linux-headers [ Searching for package 'linux-headers' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ~] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.19 (0) what version do you have? thanks, -- Iain Buchanan The main problem I have with cats is, they're not dogs. -- Kevin Cowherd -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage?
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 20:24, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > The only possible thing etc-update could ever do is look for > > trivial changes and ignore them. How would you detect the > > difference between non-trivial changes to shipped versions and > > non-trivial changes made locally? > > Keep a copy of the config files for installed packages somewhere in > /var, and provide etc-update with "this is the version we shipped > that's going away" on package removal. Currently, it only keeps the > hash of the config file that goes with a package, so it can only tell > whether there was a change in the shipped version, not what that > change was. Portage actually has enough information to detect that > the user has modified a CONFIG_PROTECTed file (moveme and destmd5 != > cfgfiledict.get[myrealdest]), but doesn't test this or communicate it > to etc-update. That doesn't work in real life. The system can detect if files have changed, where they changed, when they changed and even who changed them. It does not know, and never will know, *why* the change happened and what the intention of the user was in making the change. Even if a config file has not been changed and a new different version exists, the system has no way to determine whether the existing unchanged version exactly meets my needs or not and whether an automatic update will cause me (the admin) to flip my lid and flame the dev as a result (or not). The machine does not know, the code does not know and the dev does not know. Only *I* know and *I* am the only person that can make this decision. Unix users tend to use it because (amongst other things) the system does not try and second guess us and pull a "we know better than you" stunt. If I want that behaviour, I'll migrate to Windows thank you very much. I know etc-update is a pain in the ass, especially after emerge -uND world and I have to make decisions on 100 CONFIG_PROTECTed files. But even so it's miles better than the alternative. > > You can't say that if the config file exists and hasn't > > changed since installation then overwrite it with the new shipped > > version - that might change the behaviour of an *existing* system > > (without notification) if the user likes the old way and does not > > like the new way. > > I didn't say it shouldn't require interaction to get the new shipped > version; I said it should require extra confirmation to discard > changes made locally. It should also be able to offer 3-way merge > instead of 2-way, and automatically retain local changes that don't > conflict with shipped changes. Please define exactly what a "change that doesn't conflict with shipped changes" means so that I can design a correct algorithm and implement it in C or Python. Include deprecated options, syntax changes, subtle changes in meaning, redefined syntax commands and new conflicting options in config files with the same name across version changes. make it bullet proof so that any regular dev can list these things easily in confidence of their correctness, where the user will know the impact without resorting to looking it up every time, and where the correct thing (defined by whatever $ARB_USER happens to believe they want) is done in the vast overwhelming majority of cases. I'm not jerking your chain here - that is the real spec of a system like you propose. I'm not being pedantic and nit-picking - these are the kind of detail things that make or break software. Windows Update fails in the real world as Microsoft implements vast sweeping monolithic changes leaving the user with no meaningful way to control the process other than "do not apply SPx". Lets not even put one toe onto that road... The various update tools do the only realistic thing possible - the user said to not touch these files, so it doesn't. Period. > > > It's understood that there is a difference between what I'm using > > > now and what new package comes with. But there's no information > > > on whether that difference came from local modifications. > > > > And neither should there be. Etc-update knows the files are > > *different* and stops right there. Evaluating what that difference > > means is a human's job because it's not a monkey-see, monkey-do > > process. > > What the difference means is up to the humans, but there's no reason, > aside from having carelessly lost information previously, that it > doesn't know where the change came from; that part isn't up to human > interpretation, and it's valuable information for humans trying to > evaluate what the difference means. Now you are changing the goal posts. Previously you said the tools should be doing automated changes. Now you say the tools should highlight (as a diff perhaps) what the changes are. Which is it? alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] cannot boot with xen-sources
Hi all, I want to play a bit with xen on my gentoo box, but I'm not able to push my kernel to boot :-\ I've follow the xen & gentoo guidelines using genkernel compilation, but when I setup my grub and reboot to xen kernel, this message appears: !! Block device /dev/sda5 is not a valid root device... !! The root block device is unspecified or not detected I thaught this can be problem of the missing reiserfs in my kernel (compiled as module), but wasn't. In grub I have simillar configuration as for my suspend2-sources (which warks correctly). The grub line is: title Xen 3.0/Linux 2.6.16.28-xen0 root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=98M module /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-xen0-2.6.16.28-xen0 root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/sda5 udev module /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86-xen0-2.6.16.28-xen0.gz /dev/sda3 == /boot (ext2) /dev/sda5 == / (reiserfs) Could someone point me to solution ??? Thanks a lot. Pat P.S. I've googled, but I have not idea what I have to look for :-( -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I want my xmms
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 23:43, Robert Cernansky wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:05:18 +0200 Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Throughout this thread many people have commented on audacious > > being a resource hog of monumental proportions. Every single one of > > them is wrong and this myth really needs to be debunked. Here's > > why: > > I agree. I'm still using xmms so I can compare. Here are few lines > from top (displaying a Mem window - 'Shift+g 3'). Both players were > playing same mp3 file. > > PID %MEM VIRT SWAP RES CODE DATA SHR nFLT nDRT S PR %CPU > COMMAND 8810 10.9 172m 62m 109m 1620 108m 9104 7790 S 15 0.0 > X 11170 9.7 308m 210m 97m 80 129m 19m 8970 S 15 0.0 > firefox-bin 7750 2.0 164m 143m 20m 480 41m 11m 1170 R 15 > 0.0 audacious 7810 1.8 49940 30m 17m 1524 9m 5016 720 S > 15 0.0 emacs 7739 1.1 149m 138m 11m 984 59m 7816 490 R > 15 0.0 xmms Ah, a real comparison - I don;t have xmms anymore so couldn't do the same in my post. These numbers are interesting, although audacious is using more resident memory, xmms is using way much more for DATA. IMHO audacious is using a perfectly reasonable amount of resources, considering what it's being asked to do - decode and play an mp3 file which is probably about 5M or so. Incidentally, I just did a similar comparison on my machine between audacious and amarok, and found that amarok consistently uses at least 2.2 times the amount of memory that audacious does. And I've never heard anyone call amarok a resource-hog. I think the problem here is that very few folk have any comprehension at all what that VIRT column means and how the kernel has been coded to deal with virtual memory and COW. For an in-depth technical handling of the subject, I recommend the book "Understanding the Linux Virtual memory Manager" as part of the Bruce Perens Open Source Series > > Although audacious eats twice more resident memory than xmms, I think > it's not that bad to call it 'resource hog'. You can see real > resource hogs on the first two lines. :-) Hehe, I see you have a firefox that's probably a) been up for several days and b) is very aggressively caching everything it can lay it's hands on > Btw, how do you guys get so little virtual memory? :-O Dunno :-) Right now it's not so lean anymore, X has caused 173M virtual memory to be used, most of it kde-libs related stuff. The *real* resource hog on this machine strangely enough is kontact - memory usage can jump 60M when I start it up. It's probably because it needs most of konqueror loaded to render this other idiotic thing that corporate users seem to love - I believe it's called "HTML mail" alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
