Re: courier IMAP, removing "Unmarked" messages
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 05:59:59PM -0500, Paul Miller wrote: > I only want to move messages marked for deletion to the trash, then 30 > days later, delete old messages in the trash. Read/unread messages, etc > that are not marked for deletion should be kept indefinitely. The default courier config (/etc/courier/imapd) looks like it'll do what you want. Check out IMAP_MOVE_EXPUNGE_TO_TRASH and IMAP_EMPTYTRASH. They're well-commented. I don't think there's a way to get around the issue that deletion is a two-step process in imap: mark as deleted; purge. So the functionality is there, but you'll have to hypnotize and re-educate your outlook lusers a bit. tyler
Re: Problem installing Intel 810 video under debian
> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:01:0 > > (EE) No devices detected. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found I don't know about your mouse problem, but what kernel are you running? If you happen to be running the debian dist 2.2.20, you probably don't have the i810 driver in your kernel. This module was enabled in the debian 2.2.19, but mysteriously disappeared in 2.2.20 (and it appears i forgot to submit this as a formal bug report...). I haven't followed this thread very closely, so maybe i'm on crack. But i had this i810 problem. tyler
how to detect laptop hardware/drive problems?
Hi, I have noticed that my laptop is starting to slow down quite noticeably, although irregularly so. Basic tasks like opening xterm in fluxbox sometimes take a few seconds or more, and there's even a noticeable delay with command line stuff like ls. Not always, usually after I've been running for awhile (hours). I also notice that sometimes my harddrive seems to 'rev' (spin for a second, pause, spin for a second, pause, repeated continuously over a minute or more), even when I'm not doing anything (just reading documents in xpdf or a browser window. Maybe this is just normal for a laptop, but I don't know. Is there some way to check to see if I'm having any non-trivial hardware issues? I'm running etch, fluxbox, 2.6.17-2, Thinkpad R60. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs without documentation nonsense
I don't know that it's enough reason to go on living, but you will find those docs (in)conveniently stored in the package emacs21-common-non-dfsg, in the non-free repos. At some point I wonder if the devs will realize that they undermine their efforts to encourage users to use a dfsg-free system by all but forcing us into the non-free repos for basic documentation? Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs without documentation nonsense
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which devs are the ones responsible here: the Debian devs who put it there, or the upstream ones that presumably put non-free constraints on the documentatin license? Or is it all a big misunderstanding? -- hendrik Honestly, I think both sides are suffering from a bad case of pig-headedness. The fact is that both Debian and FSF have as a goal the provision of freely modifiable documentation to accompany free software. And both the DFSG and the GFDL provide this capability. Clearly, the GFDL is not completely free. That's unfortunate, and it would be better if GNU could find another way to spread their message. On the other hand, the use of invariant sections does not in any significant way limit the usefulness of the documentation. You can still modify GPL code and you can still document those changes with GFDL documents. If we were distributing those docs in paper-copy then maybe the forced inclusion of the GNU manifesto would represent a real impediment to further distribution, but when it just means a few more 1's and 0's sent down the line it is a trivial requirement to meet. And, has been mentioned above, the impact on new Debian users of putting basic documentation in the non-free repository is something to consider for long term advocacy. Either they hunt down the documentation themselves, which is a hassle, or they enable the non-free repositories (in for a penny, in for a pound...), or they just go to another distro entirely. How does forcing users to sneak around the DFSG serve the purpose of the DFSG? my two cents, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to detect laptop hardware/drive problems?
That the slow down happens after a while suggests that its a temperature thing. I'll keep an eye on that and see... The drive reving I would guess is swapping happening re the browser needing to page memory in or out. Does it happen if you're not using X but only console? Its spin and pause is to save your battery. If you're on AC there is probably a way to have it not spin-down (uses more juice but easier on the drive motor). I'll look into this. Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jre not found?
Liam O'Toole wrote: How are you invoking the application? Is there a launch script of some sort? If so, modify it so that occurrences of "jre" are replaced with "java". Alternatively, you could create a symbolic link as follows (as root): ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/local/bin/jre That might be enough to coax the application into running. Ok, so I added the ln, and now I've made some progress. Now when I run the script I get: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: arlequin/ArlequinApp The entire contents of the script that is supposed to start everything is: jre -cp arlequin.jar -cp swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp [...] I have now learned that the most recent version of this program is written in C++, but has yet to be ported to Linux. Eventually it will be, they say, so that Java won't be a requirement. I'd still like to get the previous version working on Etch, just for the satisfaction of 'beating' it, but I'm beginning to suspect that the problem is with Arlequin, and not my JAVA install. Thanks everyone for your help, and let me know if you have any other suggestions. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jre not found?
Liam O'Toole wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:18:02 GMT Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Liam O'Toole wrote: How are you invoking the application? Is there a launch script of some sort? If so, modify it so that occurrences of "jre" are replaced with "java". Alternatively, you could create a symbolic link as follows (as root): ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/local/bin/jre That might be enough to coax the application into running. Ok, so I added the ln, and now I've made some progress. Now when I run the script I get: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: arlequin/ArlequinApp The entire contents of the script that is supposed to start everything is: jre -cp arlequin.jar -cp swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp [...] Try this instead: java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp If this fails, check that the class arlequin.ArlequinApp is present in the first JAR file: jar -tf arlequin.jar | grep ArlequinApp Here's what I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/Arlequin$ java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.Arlequin.App Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: arlequin/Arlequin/App [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/Arlequin$ jar -tf arlequin.jar | grep ArlequinApp arlequin/ArlequinApp.class [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/Arlequin$ Am I correct in assuming now that this problem is not with me but with the upstream maintainers of Arlequin? Thanks again for your help, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jre not found?
Liam O'Toole wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:11:09 GMT Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] Try this instead: java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp If this fails, check that the class arlequin.ArlequinApp is present in the first JAR file: jar -tf arlequin.jar | grep ArlequinApp Here's what I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/Arlequin$ java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.Arlequin.App Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: arlequin/Arlequin/App [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/Arlequin$ jar -tf arlequin.jar | grep ArlequinApp arlequin/ArlequinApp.class [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/Arlequin$ Am I correct in assuming now that this problem is not with me but with the upstream maintainers of Arlequin? Not necessarily. Based on the above you put an extra '.' in the main class name. Try this command exactly: java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp instead of java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.Arlequin.App [...] When I try it from $HOME: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: arlequin/ArlequinApp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ and just for fun, from the location of the files: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/ArlequinFolder$ java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp Exception in thread "main" java.lang.VerifyError: (class: arlequin/ArlequinApp, method: main signature: ([Ljava/lang/String;)V) Incompatible argument to function [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/bin/ArlequinFolder$ Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
google earth and graphics drivers
Hi, I'm trying to use Google Earth. Every time I run it I get the following message: You are currently running Google Earth in 'OpenGL' with software emulation. In this mode, Google Earth will work but it will run very slowly. If you want to run Google Earth more quickly we suggest that you upgrade your graphics card driver. We only recommend this if you are comfortable doing software upgrades... I have a Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset. I checked on the intel website and found this page: http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html I don't understand all that's involved here, so I'm a bit reluctant to move forward without any advice. Questions: How do I find out what drivers are currently on my system? (Debian Etch) Is it possible to upgrade my drivers with aptitude? Can I get newer ones from Sid? If I can't upgrade from the reps, which driver do I need from Intel? The Mesa 3D GL? The Intel site mentions a quick-start kit, which apparently includes pre-built drivers for Debian, but it requires you fill out a survey before you can download them. I filled out the survey, but the "Finish" button doesn't respond so I can't proceed with the download. Any advice on how to proceed would be great! Thanks, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian and graphics drivers [was google earth and graphics drivers]
Ok, it looks like I've sort of figured out my problem. I was using the "vesa" driver instead of the "i810" driver. So I changed that field in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, gave and updated the identifier appropriately(?). The modified lines in xorg.conf are: Section "Device" Identifier "Intel 8xx" Driver "i810" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Intel 8xx" Then I got a few more errors, and an unusable Google Earth, until I ran: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true (google brought me this, I don't know what it means). Now Google Earth is almost as peppy as it is when I run XP on the same laptop, only without the excitement of crashing the entire system every few minutes like XP does. The question now is, have I fixed the problem, or just bumbled into something that will cause me problems later on? There are lots of odd messages in my Xorg.log that look like problems, but I don't know: (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so (II) I810(0): initializing int10 (WW) I810(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum (II) I810(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS detected (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2e (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2f (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x30 (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x31 (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x32 Thanks for your patience! Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian and graphics drivers [was google earth and graphics drivers]
This sounds like hardware acceleration is turned off for Google Earth, but you don't experience it as slow? Not at all. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's faster than when I use XP with the latest intel drivers on the same machine. Plus it doesn't crash, so... Anyway, first of all, make sure hardware acceleration is on and working correctly for other applications. Do "glxinfo | grep direct" from a terminal. direct rendering: YES Thanks, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem with emacs in testing?
Hi, I just upgraded my emacs21, among many other things, from the testing repository. I get a long series of error messages, pasted below. Is this something I've done wrong, or is there a problem in the repositories?? Emacs appears to open and work properly, but with a warning "cannot open load file: slime". Auctex and reftex mode appear to work fine (thank god, as I'm in the late stages of writing my dissertation!). If this is just a normal hiccup in the repository I can go a few days without slime, but if i've mucked something up please point me in the right direction! Thanks, Tyler blackbart:/var/log# aptitude Setting up emacs21 (21.4a+1-3) ... emacs-install emacs21 install/auctex: Setting up for emacs21... done. update-auctex-elisp[25526]: Further output will appear in: /tmp/update-auctex-el isp.Ng16575. install/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs21 Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/debian-ispell.elc Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/ispell.elc Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/flyspell.elc Done emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs21 emacsen-common: byte-compiling for emacs21 Loading 00debian-vars (source)... Loading 50a2ps (source)... Error while loading 50a2ps Loading 50auctex (source)... Loading auctex.el (source)... Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.4/i486-linux-gnu/fns-21.4.1-x.el (source)... Loading preview-latex.el (source)... Loading 50dictionaries-common (source)... Loading debian-ispell... Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-default.el (source)... Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)... Loading 50ess (source)... Error while loading 50ess Loading 50ilisp (source)... Loading /etc/ilisp/ilisp.el (source)... Error while loading 50ilisp Loading 50nethack (source)... Loading 50slime (source)... Loading 60cltl (source)... Cannot open load file: slime emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common emacs21 f ailed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, line 7. dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 Errors were encountered while processing: emacs21 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up emacs21 (21.4a+1-3) ... emacs-install emacs21 install/auctex: Setting up for emacs21... done. update-auctex-elisp[26942]: Further output will appear in: /tmp/update-auctex-el isp.Ng16575. install/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs21 Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/debian-ispell.elc Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/ispell.elc Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/flyspell.elc Done emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs21 emacsen-common: byte-compiling for emacs21 Loading 00debian-vars (source)... Loading 50a2ps (source)... Error while loading 50a2ps Loading 50auctex (source)... Loading auctex.el (source)... Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.4/i486-linux-gnu/fns-21.4.1-x.el (source)... Loading preview-latex.el (source)... Loading 50dictionaries-common (source)... Loading debian-ispell... Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-default.el (source)... Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)... Loading 50ess (source)... Error while loading 50ess Loading 50ilisp (source)... Loading /etc/ilisp/ilisp.el (source)... Error while loading 50ilisp Loading 50nethack (source)... Loading 50slime (source)... Loading 60cltl (source)... Cannot open load file: slime emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common emacs21 f ailed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, line 7. dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 Errors were encountered while processing: emacs21 Press return to continue -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with emacs in testing?
Hi again, I've now uninstalled all emacs components and reinstalled them. I still get a whole list of problems. I did find that the problem loading "50a2ps" was related to the uninstalled package a2ps. Adding that removed that particular error - does this mean the dependency list for emacs21 is wrong? As you can see below I'm still getting errors relating to ilisp, ess, slime, and now dictionaries-common as well. All these packages are installed. Can anyone confirm that the current emacs21 in testing is in fact installable? If it is I've got a problem on my laptop. If not, there's a problem in the repositories. Thanks, Tyler blackbart:/home/tyler# apt-get --reinstall install emacs21 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 3 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y Setting up emacs21 (21.4a+1-3) ... emacs-install emacs21 install/a2ps: Handling install for emacsen flavor emacs21 Loading 00debian-vars (source)... Loading 50a2ps (source)... Loading a2ps-print (source)... Loading 50auctex (source)... Loading auctex.el (source)... Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.4/i486-linux-gnu/fns-21.4.1-x.el (source)... Loading preview-latex.el (source)... Loading 50dictionaries-common (source)... Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)... Error while loading 50dictionaries-common Loading 50ess (source)... Error while loading 50ess Loading 50ilisp (source)... Loading /etc/ilisp/ilisp.el (source)... Error while loading 50ilisp Loading 50nethack (source)... Loading 50slime (source)... Loading 60cltl (source)... Cannot open load file: slime emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/a2ps emacs21 failed at / usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, line 7. dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of auctex: auctex depends on emacs21 | emacs-snapshot; however: Package emacs21 is not configured yet. Package emacs21-nox which provides emacs21 is not installed. Package emacs-snapshot is not installed. dpkg: error processing auctex (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ess: ess depends on emacs21 | emacsen; however: Package emacs21 is not configured yet. Package emacs21-nox which provides emacs21 is not installed. Package emacsen is not installed. Package emacs21 which provides emacsen is not configured yet. Package emacs21-nox which provides emacsen is not installed. dpkg: error processing ess (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: emacs21 auctex ess E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) blackbart:/home/tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can't configure emacs with aptitude/apt-get!
Hi, I've been having trouble with emacs21 after doing an upgrade from the testing repository. I tried everything I could think of, including uninstalling all emacs components and reinstalling. At first this was only inconvenient, but now I can't reinstall ess -- this is a major part of my daily work! I tried googling the error messages, but I didn't find anything that I could understand. What appears to be the pertinent output from aptitude or apt-get follows. Please help!! Thanks, Tyler E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up emacs21 (21.4a+1-3) ... emacs-install emacs21 install/a2ps: Handling install for emacsen flavor emacs21 Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)... Error while loading 50dictionaries-common Loading 50ess (source)... Error while loading 50ess Loading 50ilisp (source)... Loading /etc/ilisp/ilisp.el (source)... Error while loading 50ilisp Cannot open load file: slime emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/a2ps emacs21 failed at / usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, line 7. dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of auctex: auctex depends on emacs21 | emacs-snapshot; however: Package emacs21 is not configured yet. dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ess: ess depends on emacs21 | emacsen; however: Package emacs21 is not configured yet. dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: emacs21 auctex es -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't configure emacs with aptitude/apt-get!
Romain Francoise wrote: Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Cannot open load file: slime Does it help to run 'dpkg -P slime' as root? No, oddly. I ran dpkg -P slime apt-get --reinstall install emacs21 Same errors, including "Cannot open load file: slime". It shouldn't even be trying to load a package that isn't installed, should it? Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: until a few weeks ago, I was able to view the bash documentation in info format. Where has the information gone and how can I get it back ? It looks like another case of the Debian/GNU policy conflict. The acknowledgements that GNU insists remain attached to the doc are contrary to the letter of the DFSG, so the manual was removed. One hopes that bash-doc will find its way into the non-free repositories soon :( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357260 Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?
John C wrote: Debian is and has been my distribution for many years primarially because it is (was?) the most *GNU* distribution available. Have we changed? The Debian folks decided the GFDL is not a free license, so they are in the process of moving all documents with that license out of main and into non-free. The rationale is found here: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml This has nothing to do with DRM media. Removing ``offensive'' docs from main is a higher priority than reinserting them in non-free. In the case of the emacs manual there was a delay of a week or so between removal and subsequent reinstatement. Once the process is complete I guess it won't be an issue. Everyone who wants to read the manuals will enable the non-free repos, and anyone that finds them unethical will never need to see them again. Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't configure emacs with aptitude/apt-get!
Greg Folkert wrote: Do you have any of the files that use slime? cl-swank, slime, any Steel Bank Common Lisp packages (sbcl), any of the stump Window Manager... etc. If you do, it could be causing the issue. Thanks. I removed everything I could find that had anything to do with lisp, including ilisp, and aptitude still wanted to load ilisp and slime, which caused problems. This made me think something in the failed configuration was 'stuck', so I removed all emacs components again, this time purging the config files. (I remembered to rename my .emacs file first, just in case the purge would remove that too). This seems to have done the trick. I'm only dabbling in lisp, so i'll wait a few weeks before trying to reinstall slime et al. So all's well that ends well. Thanks for your help. Any ideas what might have been the cause of the problem? I noticed that aptitude froze after some of the failed installs, and required 'kill'-ing. Maybe something screwed up there? Thanks again, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is the bash documentation in info format ?
I take it as a kind of community service for newbies. Being a relatively new arrival to GNU/Linux, I missed out on the excitement surrounding emacs vs vi, gcc vs egcs, Xemacs vs emacs, RMS vs Debian round 1 (Debian is not free enough). Heck, even the open source vs Free Software thing has lost alot of it's ferocity by now. So RMS vs Debian round 2 (GNU is not free enough) is a way for us new users to connect to this proud *nix tradition :) Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: memory requirements
Hi, This isn't strictly a debian issue, but if anyone has good advice it will be you folks! I'm working with some fairly large image files on my Thinkpad R60 with 512MB ram, running etch and fluxbox. On occassion the whole system freezes for a minute or more after I zoom in or out. When this happens I can usually get the mouse pointer to move, but often nothing else responds - ie. clicking on anything, fluxbox shortcuts to jump to another desktop, even c-a-F1 to get to a new terminal. When the machine starts responding again I open top and find that xorg and gv (which I'm viewing the image in) use near 100% of my CPU when I resize the image, and xorg is using 70% of my memory. I imagine during freezes more of the memory is being used (all?). My question is, will adding memory improve the situation? I'd been considering adding another 512 or even a gig, as the 512 I have now is the minimum recommended for use with the GRASS gis software that I'm also starting to use, and the manuals recommend more. Any suggestions welcome! Thanks, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: memory requirements
Vibhav Sharma wrote: if you are working with large images ... why don't you use gimp. Thanks. I was definitely using the wrong tool. I can open and zoom the images no problem in gimp. I had tried that before but couldn't get it to read the files at all. I played with the settings again and got a file that could be opened after all. The images are generated with Phylip, and I guess they aren't that big in terms of memory, but I had been plotting using 100cm x 100cm as the paper size so I could get them large enough to read the labels. But gimp won't read those files properly. It will read the illegibly small versions on normal size paper, and then let me zoom them so I can read them. I guess the zoom function in GV is not very efficient. adding more memory will defn. improve the situation but try cheaper solutions first. unless that is you need an excuse to upgrade in which case ... ;). And now I'm still looking for an excuse! Maybe the GRASS images will be truly huge... Thanks, Tyler regards, Vibhav (Robo) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: memory requirements
Ron Johnson wrote: How much swap does your system use when processing the image? If it uses more than a few MB of swap, then you need more RAM. Otherwise, you need a faster CPU. Well, it was using much more than a few MB of swap, so perhaps I will upgrade the RAM. However, my immediate problem was solved by figuring out how to get the files into GIMP instead of GV, from my other reply. Thanks, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: memory requirements
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: is the disk activity during this operation? if so you're probably doing some massive swapping, in which case, yes memory will help. Yes, the disk light is on the whole time. I've also had similar, but unreproducible problems at other times (ie. not consistent wrt a particular application or function), so when I have a moment I'll have to look at your swap hacks or more memory or both. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: memory requirements
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: Is this sarge/Etch/sid? Etch, upgraded a few days ago Just make sure that X is configured properly. Are you using the correct driver? Are there any warnings in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? As far as I can tell everything is fine. I've got the i810 driver as required for my intel graphics (945G I think...) Is dma enabled for the hard drive? How do I check? what is this? Is the problem occuring immediately after you reboot the machine? or is it occuring sometime after you reboot the machine? Sometime afterwards. What is the output of "free -m"? blackbart:/var/log# free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 495476 19 0 24133 -/+ buffers/cache:318177 Swap: 1239 54 1185 This is the result at the moment, when I have two xterms running, gimp, and icedove. What is your processor? intel core solo What kernel are you using? Linux blackbart 2.6.18-3-486 #1 Mon Dec 4 15:59:52 UTC 2006 i686 Thanks, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: memory requirements
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > On Friday 26 January 2007 16:55, Tyler wrote: >> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: >> >>> Is >>> dma enabled for the hard drive? >> How do I check? what is this? >> Ok, checked it out and dma is enabled as required. > ok. Now if you disable X completely, do you experience any random freezes? > Basically I am trying to figure out if your problem is hardware or software > related. > > If the random freezes take place even when you are not using X, I would check > for badblocks, bad ram. I will try this, but I'm not sure how quickly I'll have an answer. The only time I reproducibly get the 'freezing' is when zooming in and out with large images in gv. This I can't do when X is not running. Otherwise, the freezing happens very sporadically, ie. a few times a week at most. I'll let you know if I can induce a text-only freeze. In the meantime, how does one check for bad blocks and bad ram? I have the pre-installed fsck running every 30th boot, and so far no errors have ever been reported. Thanks for your continued help! Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to make work dual monitors with Debian etch on an IBM x60s ThinkPad?
I've been wanting to set up my R60 so that I can use my desktop monitor for a while. However, reading this thread and googling around, checking the thinkwiki, i'm not getting it. I've got the right drivers installed and set up i xorg - i810 I've got tpb installed for using the thinkpad special keys I just now installed i810switch, as suggested above in this thread. The Fn-F7 combo doesn't do anything. i810switch gives the following: PCI id of i810 is not recognized. man tpb and the thinkwiki make it seem like I should do something with that program, but it makes absolutely no sense to me. Google brings me lots of xorg.confs, but I don't know which apply to me, or what modifications are necessary. Do I need to 'install' the monitor somewhere? Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm mainly interested in having the same display on both screens, like for presentations or using my desktop monitor as the only monitor. Having different displays would be nice, but not so important. Thanks, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cd burning not going well
Hi, I'm trying to burn a copy of Xubuntu as a rescue disk. My laptop (Thinkpad R60) is running Lenny, with KB3 installed. I also have access to a variety of machines running Windows. I have tried no less than a dozen times to burn this @#$% CD, and every time has failed. I have tried the following: Different downloaded image files (all pass md5sum checks) Different machines/cd burners/OS (windows/debian) Different CD media - HP, Sony, Memorex, no-name, mostly CD-R but a few CD-RW Different burn speeds - usually the lowest possible for a given CD, but also medium and top speed. Different burning programs (KB3, command line, various MSWindows apps) A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just hangs. As I've said, I've tried multiple computers, OS, media, burning programs, downloaded images (Ubuntu as well as Xubuntu). Does anyone have any other suggestions for burning a CD? This makes no sense to me. Thanks, Tyler -- "Research must be original --- The way to be sure that you're exploring virgin territory is to stake out a piece of ground that no one wants." --Paul Graham http://www.paulgraham.com/hp.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning not going well
"Patrick A. Ouellette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:35:00PM -0300, tyler wrote: >> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but >> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO >> when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they >> get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in >> 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just >> hangs. >> > > Sounds like data corruption somewhere. Have you tried downloading by a > different machine (despite the good MD5sum)? Can you sucessfully burn > a different CD? > I have tried downloading on three different machines. I just now tried to burn the LinuxMint CD, which failed with the same error. Tyler -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning not going well
"Michael Marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:41 PM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have tried downloading on three different machines. I just now tried >> to burn the LinuxMint CD, which failed with the same error. > > Have you tried running isovfy (from genisoimages) on the isos? I have now, no problems detected. > Other things that come to mind are bad CDs I've tried three or four different brands, including some newly purchased and used the same day. > or neglecting to finalize the CDs. How do you finalize a CD? If I use K3B, there's no option anywhere that I can find that refers to finalize, so I've been assuming that it handles this automatically. > The latter seems unlikely, given the number of different > tools you've tried, but could the discs have been left somewhere too > hot at some point? No, most of these are brand new disks. Already five today. I've just tried updating to the latest (testing) version of k3b, 1.0.5, and I burnt another coaster. This is very frustrating. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Tyler -- Saint Mary's - they do science there! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning not going well
Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 15:35:00 -0300, tyler > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but >> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO >> when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they >> get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in >> 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just >> hangs. >> >> As I've said, I've tried multiple computers, OS, media, burning >> programs, downloaded images (Ubuntu as well as Xubuntu). Does anyone >> have any other suggestions for burning a CD? This makes no sense to me. > > Having never tried Xubuntu, I thought I would give it a go and see if I > could reproduce any of the above. I guessed you were using a Canadian > mirror site so I tried downloading xubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso from > http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ > > Using K3b it burnt it ok, but failed verification just as you say. On > the other hand, this is the first time I have ever ticked the > 'verification' box so do not know if this is a frequent problem or a K3b > oddity. > > However the resulting CD worked perfectly; the 'check CD integrity' > test, which you mentioned, passed ok and Xubuntu appears to be running > perfectly, so really none of this is of much use. More useful than you'd think! I grabbed one of the growing pile of CDs that failed k3b's 'verification', and sure enough it passed its own 'integrity check' and now appears to be running just fine. I ran both the k3b verification and the Xubuntu integrity check on each of the first 6 failed burns, and since they all failed both tests I assumed the k3b test was enough to indicate a disk was bad. But apparently not. Now I just have to sift through the next ten disks to see how many of them are usable. At least one is. Does anybody know what the k3b verification is actually verifying? Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd burning not going well
"Michael Marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:21 PM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I ran both the k3b verification and the Xubuntu integrity check on each >> of the first 6 failed burns, and since they all failed both tests I >> assumed the k3b test was enough to indicate a disk was bad. But >> apparently not. Now I just have to sift through the next ten disks to >> see how many of them are usable. At least one is. Does anybody know what >> the k3b verification is actually verifying? > > /bin/false? > Possibly. I'll try again after I've replaced /bin/false with symlink to /bin/true and see if anything improves ;) Tyler -- Watching a recorded television broadcast more than once will be illegal under Bill C-61. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3046/125/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
delete fields, xreferences et al. from oowriter
Hi, I've got an oowriter document generated from latex via mk4ht/tex4ht. It has all kinds of cross-references and fields, and I want to get rid of them all. I vaguely recall MSWord has some method of converting all hypertext-like elements back to regular text. Does such a thing exist for oowriter? Alternatively, does anyone know how to suppress the generation of such things with mk4ht? The documentation makes many references to command-line options, but I couldn't find the right switch to flip. The problem is that when I convert the document to .doc, there is a known bug whereby all the fields are no longer readable by oowriter. Which means I can send the document to my MS using colleagues, but when they return it I can no longer see the bibliography. Thanks, Tyler -- Only YOU can stop forest fires. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
home network problem - router is smarter than me
Hi, What follows is a very naive question regarding home networking. Any tips, even a pointer the most appropriate documentation, would be very helpful. I'd like to setup my desktop as a backup machine for my laptop. However, I don't understand how my router works. I can access the router by browsing to 192.168.2.1, and under the devices I see entries for both computers, but the hostname and domainname for each is 'unknown'. When apache is configured to listen to all addresses, I can browse webpages on the desktop from the laptop by entering the IP address (192.168.2.11), but not the name (etch.mynetwork). On the desktop I can ssh to the desktop (ie., ssh to itself) with ssh etch.mynetwork, but I can't connect from the laptop to the desktop: tyler-> ssh etch.mynetwork ssh: etch.mynetwork: Name or service not known tyler-> ssh 192.168.2.11 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.11 port 22: Connection refused I think I have to have something in the hosts file, but since the IP addresses are dynamically allocated, I don't know what I should do. I also don't know if there's a problem with the way my router is set, or why the desktop refuses to connect to the laptop via ssh. My router is a Siemens Speedstream 6520 and I'm running Lenny on both machines. Access to the internet is fine for both machines. When my wife connects to the same router via wireless from her laptop (running XP) it shows up on the router page, and both the hostname and domainname are correctly identified. Thanks for your time, Tyler -- Recording a pay-per-view broadcast to watch later will be illegal under Bill C-61. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3049/125/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: home network problem - router is smarter than me
"Stackpole, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> -Original Message- >> >> When apache is configured to listen to all addresses, I can browse >> webpages on the desktop from the laptop by entering the IP address >> (192.168.2.11), but not the name (etch.mynetwork). On the desktop I > can >> ssh to the desktop (ie., ssh to itself) with ssh etch.mynetwork, but I >> can't connect from the laptop to the desktop: >> >> tyler-> ssh etch.mynetwork >> ssh: etch.mynetwork: Name or service not known >> tyler-> ssh 192.168.2.11 >> ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.11 port 22: Connection refused >> > > Do you have an ssh server running on your laptop? The connection refused > tells me that either you don't or it is running on a different port. I'm trying to ssh into the desktop though. I have been able to ssh from my laptop to my university computer lab before, with only the ssh client on the laptop. I know there's a ssh server on the desktop, as I just installed openssh-server last night. On the desktop it is running on port 22. Thanks, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: home network problem - router is smarter than me
tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When apache is configured to listen to all addresses, I can browse
> webpages on the desktop from the laptop by entering the IP address
> (192.168.2.11), but not the name (etch.mynetwork). On the desktop I can
> ssh to the desktop (ie., ssh to itself) with ssh etch.mynetwork, but I
> can't connect from the laptop to the desktop:
I think I've nearly got it solved. Thanks to some off-list advice, I've
set the desktop to static IP, and then I found that I had a firewall
blocking inbound ssh on the desktop that needed to be modified (d'oh!).
There was some sketchy certificate stuff, but now I appear to be able to
ssh into the desktop from the laptop.
One more question: how do I configure firestarter to accept inbound ssh
from a range of addresses? My laptop uses dynamic IP addresses, so I'd
like to allow ssh from 192.168.2.{10-20}, or something like that.
Thanks,
Tyler
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Re: home network problem - router is smarter than me
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu,07.Aug.08, 11:13:56, tyler wrote: > > [...] > >> My router is a Siemens Speedstream 6520 and I'm running Lenny on both >> machines. Access to the internet is fine for both machines. When my wife >> connects to the same router via wireless from her laptop (running XP) it >> shows up on the router page, and both the hostname and domainname are >> correctly identified. > > If your router knows DNS then it might be enough to enable the > 'send host-name' directive in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (with the correct > value of course). > Well, that got the router to recognize the hostname, but not the domainname. I'll look into the dhcp documentation and see if I can sort out the rest. Thanks for the pointer! Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Madwifi (atheros drivers) into Debian Etch.
Till Wimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > James Allsopp wrote: >> Just been following the instructions to install the madwifi driver, >> but it doesn't compile on the final step. Does anyone have any >> suggestions? I'm very new to debian, but experienced with Linux. If >> anyone needs more information, please ask! > I use madwifi on my laptop with Etch for a while. I just used > module-assistant for downloading the needed packages and everything > worked fine... Maybe you have the wrong gcc installed? maybe there's a > problem with gcc4 and you should try gcc3.x or the other way round. > I think you have to use gcc4. This is what I did to get madwifi onto my thinkpad: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_Etch_on_a_ThinkPad_R60#Wireless I started with Etch, but I did the exact same thing last week with the latest Lenny kernel, and it worked as expected. Tyler -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Madwifi (atheros drivers) into Debian Etch.
James Allsopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm trying to install the atheros drivers onto a desktop machine, > and I've been told the version in stable has a bug in it. Do you have gcc-4.0? apt-get install gcc-4.0 madwifi-source madwifi-tools madwifi-doc m-a prepare m-a a-i madwifi modprobe ath_pci Tyler -- I'm Tyler Smith and I approve of this email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
swap space and hd partitioning
Hi, I've got a couple of questions regarding hd partitions and swap space. My first, immediate problem is that I've just upgraded my RAM from 1.5GB to 3GB. I'm running some numerical simulations and analysis that require that much space or more. My swap partition is 1.95GB, and I've discovered that when I've got lots of simulation data in memory I don't have enough space to hibernate. Reading the Debian Reference, I see the advice to keep to 2GB or less for each swap partition, but to have at least 1x RAM. In my case, where I'm using a lot of RAM and I want to be able to hibernate, can I just set up a second 2GB swap partition, or should I make a single large swap partition of 3-4GB? I'm not sure how hibernate and swapping work with multiple swap partitions. The other, slightly less pressing question, is that I've been dual booting up to now, and so have quite a fragmented harddrive. In order to make enough space for the extra swap I'm going to have to further cut into my windows partition, to the point that I might as well just blow it away (haven't booted into it in months). Is there a way to reorganize my file system more elegant than simply backing everything up and reinstalling the OS? The current layout, as reported by gparted: /dev/sda1 - 14GB Windows /dev/sda4 - 41GB extended /dev/sda5 - 1.95GB swap /dev/sda8 - 7GB /home/tyler/photos/ /dev/sda6 - 26GB /home /dev/sda7 - 6GB / I'm not sure why the partitions are out of order, but the last alteration I did, increasing the extended and a few contained partitions at the expense of windows and the pre-installed recovery partition, managed to re-order all the partitions, such that fstab and menu.lst couldn't find anything until I reinstalled grub from a live cd. My current fstab and menu.lst are pasted below, just for completeness. Thanks for any suggestions! Tyler # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/sda7 / ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/sda6 /home ext3defaults0 2 /dev/sda8 /home/tyler/photos ext3defaults0 2 /dev/sda5 noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hda/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /home/tyler/jumpdrive vfat noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windowsntfs noauto,ro,users,noexec,umask=000 0 0 timeout 5 color cyan/blue white/blue foreground ff background 0639a1 title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.24-1-686 root(hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/sda7 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-686 title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.24-1-686 (single-user mode) root(hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/sda7 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-686 title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-3-686 root(hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 root=/dev/sda7 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-3-686 savedefault title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-3-686 (single-user mode) root(hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 root=/dev/sda7 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-3-686 savedefault title Microsoft Windows XP Professional at sda1 rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 title MEMTEST kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs ## ## Start Default Options ## ## default kernel options ## default kernel options for automagic boot options ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro # kopt=root=/dev/sda7 ro ## default grub root device ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) # groot=(hd0,6) ## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. alternative=true ## alternative=false # alternative=true ## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. lockalternative=true ## lockalternative=false # lockalternative=false ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the ## alternatives ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5 # defoptions= ## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options ## e.g. lockold=false ## lockold=true # lockold=false ## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenhopt= ## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option # xenkopt=console=tty0 ## altop
printing setup
Hi, I'm just starting to set up my printer, and all is well except for one thing. The page prints too close to the top of the paper, so that I lose the top cm or so off the top of the paper. I'm not sure if this is a CUPS issue, a printer issue, a driver issue? I looked around the CUPS webpage, and did some googling, but I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. Any pointers? Details: Thinkpad R60 running testing SAMSUNG ML-2010 laserjet printer Installed everything I found in aptitude under tasks->servers->print servers, including all recommends and most suggests. (i.e., cupssys, printconf, foomatic and friends) Installed and configured the printer using http://localhost:631 Printing via GtkLP, at least until I figure out the command-line Printing pdf is fine, except for the problem described above Thanks, Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: printing setup
tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm just starting to set up my printer, and all is well except for one > thing. The page prints too close to the top of the paper, so that I lose > the top cm or so off the top of the paper. I'm not sure if this is a > CUPS issue, a printer issue, a driver issue? I looked around the CUPS > webpage, and did some googling, but I'm not really sure what I'm looking > for. Any pointers? > > Details: > Thinkpad R60 running testing > SAMSUNG ML-2010 laserjet printer > Installed everything I found in aptitude under tasks->servers->print > servers, including all recommends and most suggests. (i.e., cupssys, > printconf, foomatic and friends) > Installed and configured the printer using http://localhost:631 > Printing via GtkLP, at least until I figure out the command-line > Printing pdf is fine, except for the problem described above > Further to my first message, using the fitplot flag from the command line: lp -o fitplot -d ml-2010 my.pdf appears to correct the problem, so I at least have a temporary fix. Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: printing setup
"Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080517 13:49]: >> tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> I'm just starting to set up my printer, and all is well except for one >>> thing. The page prints too close to the top of the paper, so that I lose >>> the top cm or so off the top of the paper. I'm not sure if this is a >>> CUPS issue, a printer issue, a driver issue? I looked around the CUPS >>> webpage, and did some googling, but I'm not really sure what I'm looking >>> for. Any pointers? > > Check the default papersize (typically A4 or letter). > > $ apropos paper > > See the man pages for: papersize, paperconf, paperconfig, texconfig. > > Thanks! I checked through the man pages, and as far as I can tell my default paper size is correctly set to letter, 8.5" x 11". paperconfig isn't installed, and I don't know what package it's part of, so that may be a problem? Also, when printing from Firefox/Iceweasel I found that I needed to reduce the page by 70% to get it to fit onto the page. The option to scale the page to paper size didn't work on its own. Anything else I should look at? Cheers, Tyler -- Friends don't let friends send Word documents http://www.nothingisreal.com/dfki/no-word -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
keep hidden files hidden in gui apps (iceweasel, xpdf)
Hi, How can I configure iceweasel and xpdf so that they will *not* show hidden directories in their file-pickers? I'm sure it's a simple fix, but I haven't been able to find it myself. Thanks, Tyler -- There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live. http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keep hidden files hidden in xpdf/lesstif (iceweasel SOLVED)
Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2008/5/23 tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > How can I configure iceweasel and xpdf so that they will *not* show > hidden directories in their file-pickers? I'm sure it's a simple fix, > but I haven't been able to find it myself. > > Iceweasel or any other that uses GTK2 : Right click anywhere on the > name column/pane. > Excellent, thanks. Iceweasel now behaves, but I tried with xpdf, and it doesn't work there. I think xpdf uses lesstif - does anyone know how that one works? I tried google, but my search terms are too common ... Cheers, Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thinkpad R60
Hi, I just got my new ThinkPad, and it easily lives up to the high praise you folks gave it. I spent the morning getting it up and running, and it was a relatively painless process. The results of my labours are now posted at the ThinkWiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_Etch_on_a_ThinkPad_R60 It's obviously not written by a guru, but perhaps it will be helpful to other new users. Feel free to add to or correct anything there. Thanks all! Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
keyboard doesn't work under X, but works fine in console
spent like 4 hours banging my head against this today. this happened today after i accidentally unplugged my mouse during an X session. i have done this many times, and my mouse is dead until i pop into a virtual terminal (C-A-F1) then back. except today i did it and my mouse *and* keyboard stopped working. nothing worked (inc. C-A-Bkspc and C-A-Del), so i assumed i had some kind of hard kernel lock and rebooted. keyboard still doesn't respond at all in X, still works fine in console. i did a dist-upgrade. i removed and purged all X configs and reinstalled. i unplugged my mouse and removed all references to it in xorg.conf. i've tried two different keyboards, which both work fine on console. i've googled and groups.googled, which suggests some things that don't help me. thoughts on what to look for next? output from dpkg -l and my xorg.conf are below. thanks, tyler ii xkb-data 0.8-15 X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration dat ii xlibs6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System client libraries metapackage ii xlibs-data 7.1.0-1 transitional package for X11 client data ii xlibs-dev6.8.2.dfsg.1-10 X Window System client library development f ii xlibs-static-dev 7.1.0-1 transitional metapackage rc xserver-common 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5 files and utilities common to all X servers ii xserver-xorg 7.1.0-1 the X.Org X server ii xserver-xorg-core1.1.1-9 X.Org X server -- core server ii xserver-xorg-input-kbd 1.1.0-3 X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver ii xserver-xorg-input-mouse 1.1.1-3 X.Org X server -- mouse input driver ii xserver-xorg-input-wacom 0.7.4.1-4X.Org X server -- wacom input driver ii xserver-xorg-video-all 7.1.0-1 the X.Org X server -- output driver metapack ii xserver-xorg-video-apm 1.1.1-3 X.Org X server -- APM display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-ark 0.6.0-3 X.Org X server -- ark display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.6.2-2 X.Org X server -- ATI display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-chips 1.1.1-4 X.Org X server -- Chips display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-cirrus1.1.0-3 X.Org X server -- Cirrus display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-cyrix 1.1.0-4 X.Org X server -- Cyrix display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-dummy 0.2.0-3 X.Org X server -- dummy display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-fbdev 0.3.0-3 X.Org X server -- fbdev display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-glint 1.1.1-3 X.Org X server -- Glint display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-i128 1.2.0-3 X.Org X server -- i128 display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-i740 1.1.0-3 X.Org X server -- i740 display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-i810 1.6.5-3 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d ii xserver-xorg-video-imstt 1.1.0-3 X.Org X server -- IMSTT display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-mga 1.4.1.dfsg.1-4 X.Org X server -- MGA display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-neomagic 1.1.1-4 X.Org X server -- Neomagic display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-newport 0.2.0-3 X.Org X server -- Newport display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-nsc 2.8.1-3 X.Org X server -- NSC display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-nv1.2.0-3 X.Org X server -- NV display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-rendition 4.1.0.dfsg.1-4 X.Org X server -- Rendition display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-s30.4.1-3 X.Org X server -- legacy S3 display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-s3virge 1.9.1-3 X.Org X server -- S3 ViRGE display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-savage2.1.1-4 X.Org X server -- Savage display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion 1.4.1-4 X.Org X server -- SiliconMotion display driv ii xserver-xorg-video-sis 0.9.1-3 X.Org X server -- SiS display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-sisusb0.8.1-3 X.Org X server -- SiS USB display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-tdfx 1.2.1-4 X.Org X server -- tdfx display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-tga 1.1.0-3
Re: azx_get_response -- please help!
Sven Arvidsson wrote: > > What kind of hardware are we talking about? What version of linux are > you using? > I'm running testing with the 2.6.16-2-486, with the madwifi package, on a Thinkpad R60 with an intel Core Solo processor. > I did find a few interesting things using Google. According to this > thread this problem could be fixed in linux 2.6.17. > http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic.php?p=545150 I saw that, but I misunderstood and thought I was already using the 2.6.17 kernel. It turns out I only have the 2.6.17 headers installed, the actual kernel is as listed above. Can I install the next kernel from sid? Will this cause problems as a mixed system? Thanks! Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petition about the Firefox trademark problem
Michael M. wrote: In other words, the Firefox logo indicates that the browser *is* Firefox; the Debian Official Logo indicates that the project using the logo *uses* Debian. This is not how I understand it. From the www.debian.org/logos page, regarding the official Debian Logo: "This logo may only be used if: * the product it is used for is made using a documented procedure as published on www.debian.org (for example official CD-creation) * official approval is given by Debian for its use in this purpose " I'm not sure if the bullets imply "AND" or "OR". Judging from the response to the DebianPure derivative (now called GenieOS), I'd guess it's "AND". In that case, IIRC, There was an objection to the use of the Debian name, (and logo) in a product that was not officially sanctioned, even though the whole point of DebianPure was to provide a vanilla Debian installation via a simplified installer. So I think that simply 'using' official parts of Debian is not enough to qualify for use of the official logo. Which, in turn, suggests to me that the policies of Debian and Mozilla are really not that different. I would be happy to be corrected; I find these licensing issues more than a little confusing. Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: azx_get_response -- please help!
Chris Bannister wrote: No need. Testing has 2.6.17-2-486 For others, 'apt-cache search linux-image' Success! It turns out I actually had both 2.6.16 AND 2.6.17 installed, but GRUB was only pointing to 2.6.16. I added an entry for the 2.6.17-2 kernel, add now it boots up with hardly a hesitation. I did have to reinstall the madwifi modules, but everything now seems to be running properly. Thanks!! Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petition about the Firefox trademark problem
Michael M. wrote: I don't think Debian does the same thing with its "Official Use Logo." The logo indicates that the project officially has been approved by Debian, but it doesn't imply any sort of control over the project by Debian. But how does Debian decide to approve a project? Do I just ask them nicely, and then modify the code to my hearts content? Debian doesn't require a formal code review, but could still revoke their trademark if they don't like the code, or for any other reason. I could be way off here, though -- are there any actual examples of non-Debian projects that have permission to use the official logo? Excluding selling official installation CDs... Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: azx_get_response -- please help!
Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 02:08:33PM +, Tyler wrote: Success! It turns out I actually had both 2.6.16 AND 2.6.17 installed, but GRUB was only pointing to 2.6.16. I added an entry for the 2.6.17-2 kernel, add now it boots up with hardly a hesitation. I did have to reinstall the madwifi modules, but everything now seems to be running properly. run 'update-grub' as root. You shouldn't have to manually add your own entries. Oh, that's better. I figured I must have missed something simple. I'm not sure how I ended up with multiple kernels installed (15, 16, and 17), but they're all setup now. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exim4 and Mutt for beginners?
Hi, I really want to try Mutt. However, I'm more than a little overwhelmed by the documentation. I understand that Mutt requires a properly configured MTA, and that Exim4 is the recommended, default MTA for Debian. However, Exim4 seems like a very big hammer for a very small nail -- I just want to send and receive mail via my pop-mail account on my laptop. Two questions: Should I wade into the Exim4 docs and try and figure that out, or is there a simpler option for someone with minimal experience with such matters? If Exim4 is indeed the best option, is there a recommended point of entry? The Debian Reference is very terse, and assumes a fair bit of knowledge that I don't have (I need a little more hand-holding than "configure these files to make it work"). The Exim4 Specification is very detailed, but aimed at people who already know something. Do I really need to sit down and work through a full-length book before I even start with Mutt? Currently I'm using Thunderbird, but I'm finding all the point-and-clickies are more distracting than enabling. Thanks for any suggestions! Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exim4 and Mutt for beginners?
Thanks all! I now have Mutt running with all my mail in it. I don't know if it's set up properly, or how to use it, but now at least it's just one program to learn instead of 3 or 4. I was directed off-list to the following link which may be helpful to others: http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt/ I guess I'd have found it by searching the archives more thoroughly. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emacs and mutt
Hi, I've got mutt up and running (although I'm still using thunderbird for mailing lists/newsgroups, hopefully not much longer). One problem I've run into is that I can't convince it to open emacs in text-mode. I've got text-mode set-up for auto-fill, which I like using for sending mail. However, I have not been able to get it to open automatically in the mode. I've googled here and elsewhere and found numerous options that should work, but none do. Specifically, what I've tried in my .muttrc: set editor="emacs -f text-mode" set editor="emacs --eval '(text-mode)'" set editor="emacs --eval '(turn-on-auto-fill)'" All of these work from the command line. None of them work in .muttrc. Curiously, set editor="emacs -nw" does in fact work from the command line and from mutt. Any help would be appreciated! Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs and mutt
Thanks! I don't understand it, but it works. I'm only just starting to learn lisp, so I will have to do some reading before I understand everything your code does, but in the meantime I have word-wrapping (and probably a few other things as well). Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emacs manual and other missing info
Hi, I just realised that I don't have the emacs manual installed on my laptop. I've got a desktop and an older laptop, and all three machines run etch with emacs installed. The other two have lots of info entries for emacs, including the main emacs manual. The new laptop, which was installed in late September, has a very limited selection of emacs info options: Emacs * Dired-X: (emacs-21/dired-x). Dired Extra Features. * Elisp: (elisp). Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. * Emacs FAQ: (emacs-21/efaq). Frequently Asked Questions about Emacs. * Emacs-lisp-intro: (emacs-lisp-intro). A simple introduction to Emacs Lisp programming. * Ispell: (ispell). Using ISPELL, an interactive spelling corrector, inside Emacs. Emacs * ESS: (ess). Emacs Speaks Statistics (S/S+/R, SAS, I can't find any packages to install to give me back my emacs manual, or any of the other obscure mode manuals and other bits that appeared automatically. I've searched through the /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/info directories, and as far as I can tell the files just aren't there. Where do I get them?? Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs manual and other missing info
Russell L. Harris wrote: (1) Go to the Debian web site, find the package search page, search for "emacs21", "xemacs21-gnome-nomule", etc., I already tried this, and found nothing. I just tried again, and while there are no info files included with etch or sarge, there are a whole bunch in the old-stable repository. (2) From Google search on the string "emacs manual": http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html I should have been clearer. I know the manuals are available directly from gnu. I was hoping there was a debian way to get them installed. There no longer is, as I have now discovered. Kevin Mark wrote: > it maybe that some of the manuals were reclassified as non-dfsg free >and >were moved out of the main repositories. Many GFDL documents were >reclassified for etch. That appears to be the case, as confirmed in /usr/share/doc/emacs21-common/copyright: So, now i'm going to download and install the manual myself. I guess it won't really be that helpful, seeing as it does include that distracting invariant section on copying, and it's not like emacs really needs a manual, it's so intuitive. At least it won't be for the same version I'm actually running. Seriously, is there a list somewhere of all the GNU docs that Debian has expunged, or is it just a matter of stumbling on missing pieces and then installing them as you find them? Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs manual and other missing info
Max Hyre wrote: Tyler, you might want to try emacs-snapshot. I've been following it (and unstable) for months now, and have had no problems Thanks, that's very interesting. Having already manually installed the manual directly from gnu.org I'm ok for now, but I will investigate this for future installs. I'm still a little hesitant, since using the debian repositories leaves me vulnerable to the GFDL policy of the moment. Does anyone know if the policy is actually different for unstable, or is it just a matter of the developers not having had time yet to remove the docs in question? On the other hand, having gone through apt-get source -t stable gnus to install the (old) gnus info manual into my etch system, I'm becoming much more self-sufficient with respect to using info. Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs manual and other missing info
Aha! After enabling the unstable repositories I found the new emacs21-non-dfsg package. So all my problems would have gone away if I'd waited a few weeks for the docs to make their way down into testing. Sorry for the bother, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: annoying beeping speaker
Tom Allison wrote: xset -b Thanks. Is there some way I can incorporate this into X? Like /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ Try putting it in /home/tom_allison/.xsession Cheers, Tyle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacement for Dillo web browser
Cousin Stanley writes: >>> $ apt-cache policy dillo >>> dillo: >>> Installed: 0.8.6-3 >>> Candidate: 0.8.6-3 >>> Version table: >>> *** 0.8.6-3 0 >>> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > >> Which indicates that dillo is *not* in Lenny. > > I don't recall doing anything special to install dillo > from any other source, but my lack of recall may also > be indicative of personal wetware memory problems :-) > > It's possible that this particular installation of Lenny > actually started out as Etch that already had Dillo installed > and then later Etch was upgraded to Lenny Dillo was in Lenny, but was pulled due to what some considered a serious security flaw. As I understand it, once Lenny was frozen, the bug was found and deemed too serious to fix before the release, so the package was pulled instead: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510348 Tyler -- What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. --Bertrand Russell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel blocking pop-ups
Dennis Wicks writes: > Greetings; > > I turned off the popup blocker in IW but it seems to still be blocking > them. > > I tried it in Iceweasel 3.0.6-1 and it doesn't work at all, even with > the popup blocker turned off. No messages or anything. It shows the > URL when I hold the cursor on the icon but nothing changes when I > click. > > Any ideas? > Are you running any plugins: noscript, adblock, flashblock etc.? -- What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. --Bertrand Russell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Lenny Based SimplyMEPIS 8.0 is Released
Jimmy Johnson writes: > H.S. wrote: >> Jimmy Johnson wrote: >>> Neil Ellwood wrote: >>> >>>> Personally I haven't found anything easier than Debian and it is more >>> reliable than anything else I have tried. Why use a derivative when >>> the original is marvellous? >>> >>> >>> Hi Neil, I'm along time Debian user (7 years) and if there was >>> something wrong with Mepis I would not suggest you trying it, saying >>> that, Mepis has one click tools that Debian don't have, like it will >>> repair grub for you with a click or reinstall a working >>> x-configuration for you with a > >> Wonderful! Repairing grub and X with a click seems to be very useful >> to desktop users. Can't Mepis give back to Debian by providing these >> packages to Debian repos? Other such GUI conveniences too. > > > Mepis (Warren Woodford) has given plenty to the community Mepis was the first non-Windows distro that I used, and it is indeed a fine product. However, I eventually moved on to Debian, in part because Mepis was a (wonderful) one-man show, and not a community project, and the unique software elements that distinguished it from other distros (the one-click config tools you refer too) were subject to proprietary licensing. Has Warren since changed his position on licensing his own programs? If he has, all Debian needs is someone to package them up, and I'm not sure why the failure of one individual Debian maintainer to do so is a show-stopper here. If the tools are good (which I suspect they are) and are available as Free Software, there is no barrier to any debian maintainer picking them up. But I think you need to dig into your documentation and see if you can find the licenses that apply to the tools you're talking about. I couldn't find anything on the Mepis website. Last I looked, they were not Free Software. If Warren still hasn't released his tools under a Free license, I would question the statement that Warren has given plenty to the community. But the idea of community seems to mean two very different things in this context. In the Debian system, the community includes hundreds of developers who collaborate to produce the distro, and thousands of users who collaborate to provide support in various fora. In Mepis, the community appears to be only the latter: the very supportive user community. Development is still pretty much restricted to Warren and a small team of helpers. As I said, it's been years since I used Mepis, so I'm admittedly out of touch. But at the time I left, there were barriers on the Mepis side that would prevent the adoption of any of the great tools developed there for inclusion in Debian. I would be happy to be corrected on these points, though. Cheers, Tyler -- Only YOU can stop forest fires. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Lenny Based SimplyMEPIS 8.0 is Released
tyler writes: > Has Warren since changed his position on licensing his own programs? Apologies for replying to my own post, but I did some more digging, and apparently the Mepis tools have indeed been released under a Free Software license: http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17736&highlight=license+apache So now the Mepis-specific tools are available to Debian users as well, potentially. That's good news! Cheers, Tyler -- Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. --Edward Tufte http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
restarting a locked X server
Hi, My xserver crashed this morning, due apparently to some known bugs in the intel video drivers. However, after the crash I couldn't restart X from the command line, and had to reboot to get everything back working again. There must be someway to clean up after X crashes without rebooting? I've pasted the output of one of my failed attempts to invoke startx without rebooting, any suggestions on how I can force a clean start of X would be welcome! Thanks, Tyler X.Org X Server 1.4.2 Release Date: 11 June 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.4.2-10) Current Operating System: Linux blackbart 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 09 January 2009 02:57:16AM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 3 10:05:30 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found (II) Module "ddc" already built-in (II) Module "i2c" already built-in (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds pgetbl_ctl: 0xbffc0001 getbl_err: 0x ipeir: 0x iphdr: 0x0211 LP ring tail: 0x0001e930 head: 0x0001e93c len: 0x0001f001 start 0x eir: 0x esr: 0x emr: 0x instdone: 0xfa41 instpm: 0x memmode: 0x0306 instps: 0x800f04c4 hwstam: 0xfffe ier: 0x0002 imr: 0x iir: 0x00a0 Ring at virtual 0xa789 head 0x1e93c tail 0x1e930 count 32765 0001e8bc: 00400100 0001e8c0: 0080 0001e8c4: [snipped] 0001e938: 0720 0001e93c: Ring end space: 4 wanted 32 Fatal server error: lockup waiting for X server to begin accepting connections giving up. xinit: Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. -- Philosophy of science is about as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds. --Richard Feynman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: any software for 3D surfaces visualization in debian sid?
Star Liu writes: > I'm looking for a free software which can draw 3D picture if I setup > mathmetical equations and specify its scope, it's an important part of > my current project. thanks! gnuplot might do what you need. Tyler -- When in doubt, use brute force. --Ken Thompson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
firmware-linux
Hi, I have a naive question about binary firmware in Debian. I appreciate your patience with me! I just noticed a new package in squeeze, firmware-linux, which contains the binary firmware that was formerly included in Debian kernels. I'm glad to see that it has been pulled out, so that we can decide for ourselves if we need or want it on our systems, at least when the next kernel update makes it's way into testing. What I want to know is what kinds of problems I might experience when I move to a 'free' kernel? Are these problems easily discoverable when I switch? I'm most concerned about two possibilities - my system becomes inoperable due to some dependency on binary firmware; or the absence of the firmware introduces some subtle change that may cause headaches without providing a clear indication that the lack of firmware is the source of the problem. Any explanations would be welcome, Thanks, Tyler ps. I'm running Squeeze on a Thinkpad R60, but I'm interested in the general case as well. -- I have no "intellectual property," and I think that all claimants to such property are thieves. --Wendell Berry http://home.btconnect.com/tipiglen/resist.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: firmware-linux
Andrei Popescu writes: > On Tue,31.Mar.09, 11:19:37, tyler wrote: >> >> What I want to know is what kinds of problems I might experience when I >> move to a 'free' kernel? > > I'm guessing that the devices which need that firmware will just stop > working. If that particular device is your HDD interface than yes, your > computer might stop working. > > Did you look at the package description carefully? AFAICT it contains > a full list of removed firmwares. If you don't recognize them then you > could just keep an older kernel around. I don't know enough about what the listed firmware does, or how it might relate to my hardware, to interpret the list. If the problems are all of the 'hardware doesn't work' variety that's easily managed by keeping a old kernel installed as a backup. I'm more curious/concerned if it could also lead to the more insidious 'X crashes without warning, no obvious reason' type problem. Cheers, Tyler -- The purpose of models is not to fit the data but to sharpen the questions. --Samuel Karlin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: firmware-linux
Andrei Popescu writes: > > But if it breaks you still get to keep both parts. > Well, when you put it that way, it sounds like fun! Cheers, Tyler -- The purpose of models is not to fit the data but to sharpen the questions. --Samuel Karlin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: firmware-linux
Thorny writes: >> [...] >> What I want to know is what kinds of problems I might experience when I >> move to a 'free' kernel? Are these problems easily discoverable when I >> switch? I'm most concerned about two possibilities - my system becomes >> inoperable due to some dependency on binary firmware; or the absence of >> the firmware introduces some subtle change that may cause headaches >> without providing a clear indication that the lack of firmware is the >> source of the problem. > > By "free" are you meaning a kernel you have compiled for yourself from > source? In that case, you would include any needed modules and add > the firmware for your hardware. No, sorry, I thought that would be clear from the context. Since Debian now has firmware packages separated from the kernel, I'm referring to the newer Debian kernels that will not have the binary firmware included. At the moment I'm using the standard kernel packages provided in testing. I'm assuming that the next kernel upgrade to make its way into testing will be a 'free' kernel, i.e., one without the binary firmware. I'm trying to be proactive and sort out what, if anything, I need to do/know to accommodate this change. > You don't mean a pre-compiled kernel from some other distro do you, there > might/could be important differences with that and which could potentially > cause you problems. No. >> ps. I'm running Squeeze on a Thinkpad R60, but I'm interested in the >> general case as well. > > People running testing are supposed to be more advanced than needing to > ask this question. No offence meant but I think that is especially true > this soon after a stable release, when "testing" isn't close to a release > candidate. Testing is pretty darn manageable, even for those of us who aren't compiling our own kernels. No offence meant, but you might want to recalibrate your ideas about the expertise required to run it. Tyler -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: bank web page problem in iceweasel/iceape
"H.S." writes: > H.S. wrote: > > I tried the same web page on a Debian Sid machine and tried to add a > payee. Here it works, when I type a string in payee search field, the > field drops down and shows a list of possible matches. > > Difference in systems? This was on Debian Sid, Iceweasel, adblock > installed, but no noscript installed. > > So looks like noscript is the culprit on my friend's Debian system? I have no problems using the TD Canada trust website with iceweasel in Squeeze. Noscript does provide an option to whitelist a site, and when I was still using no script I had TD whitelisted. Cheers, Tyler -- What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. --Bertrand Russell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it possible to prevent emacs auto saving the filename~?
明覺 writes: > I know that emacs auto save a file named filename~ when I modified the > file filename, but I do not like the autosaved copy, could i stop this > function? thanks Set auto-save-default to nil, as explained in the Emacs manual: (info "(emacs)Auto Save Control") Adding (setq auto-save-default nil) to your .emacs will do this automatically. Cheers, Tyler -- What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. --Bertrand Russell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it possible to prevent emacs auto saving the filename~?
tyler writes: > 明覺 writes: > >> I know that emacs auto save a file named filename~ when I modified the >> file filename, but I do not like the autosaved copy, could i stop this >> function? thanks > > Set auto-save-default to nil, as explained in the Emacs manual: > > (info "(emacs)Auto Save Control") > > Adding > > (setq auto-save-default nil) > > to your .emacs will do this automatically. > Oops! My mistake - this will turn off the auto-save feature, but what you were asking about was the backup feature, which is something different. It's controlled the same way though: (setq make-backup-files nil) Details here: (info "(emacs)Backup") Cheers, Tyler -- The contents of this email have been carefully examined by skilled artisans to ensure that only the purest, archival-quality, virus-free bits have been used in its construction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
evince printer dialog
Hi, I'm trying to configure Evince, but the description in the help files doesn't seem to match what I see on the screen. In the `usage' section of the manual, it says the print dialog has three tabs, "printer", "job" and "paper". In the "printer" tab I should find the "printer", "settings" and "location" drop-downs to let me choose the printer and commands to use to send it print jobs. This is not what I see. The print dialog I have has two tabs, General and Page Setup. After I select a printer in the General tab, Job, Image Quality, and Advanced tabs also appear, but I can't find anywhere to set the configuration options for the printer in any of these tabs. I want to set the print command to 'lp -o fitplot -d ml-2010', which is what I use in xpdf What am I missing? Thanks, Tyler Squeeze, Evince 2.24.2, Fluxbox -- I have no "intellectual property," and I think that all claimants to such property are thieves. --Wendell Berry http://home.btconnect.com/tipiglen/resist.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Using terminal output as input
Dotan Cohen writes: > I am using a Debian-based distro (Ubuntu). Often I need to use the > output of one terminal command as the input for another. A classic > example is the which command: > $ which firefox > /usr/bin/firefox > $ This may be a stupid question, but what's the difference between firefox and $(which firefox)? They both run the first executable named firefox in your path, don't they? Tyler -- What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. --Bertrand Russell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iceweasel 3.5?
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." writes: > In <4a4b690e.5060...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >>If you really need/want iceweasel 3.5 you could either hope for a >>backport [1] (I don't know if and when this will happen) or upgrade your >>whole system to unstable. > > Or, run a mixed system. In my experience, running a mixed system is trickier than getting the program you need directly from the source (especially in cases where the desired program isn't even in unstable yet!). At least for projects like Firefox and OpenOffice, which are generally pretty straightforward to install. In the case of Firefox 3.5, it's pretty simple: download it from getfirefox.com extract it: tar -xvjf firefox-3.5.tar.bz2 run firefox with: ~./firefox/firefox You can put a symlink to ~/firefox/firefox in ~/bin/ or wherever is convenient, or if you use a desktop with icons, add one that points to ~/firefox/firefox, and you're all done. I just did that this morning. When Iceweasel 3.5 is ready for my testing system, I'll install that as usual and delete ~/firefox/ Cheers, Tyler -- Friends don't let friends send Word documents http://www.nothingisreal.com/dfki/no-word -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iceweasel puzzle
Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > I use iceweasel to visit the site http://www.strictlysudoku.com. > In the left-hand column there are ĺogin' and 'register' links. If > I click one of those, a window pops up, but it is completely blank. > > On my wife's computer, which uses the same gateway/firewall, and > which is also more or less Debian (well, ubuntu), clicking the > links produces proper 'login' and 'register' forms. > > Any idea of what could be the matter on my computer? > These things are often the result of the website being confused by your user agent string. I guess Ubuntu uses standard firefox, while Debian uses iceweasel. Firefox is common enough that most websites support it (or, at least don't intentionally block it), while some will break if you use iceweasel. You might try the useragent switcher plugin, or manually change all instances of 'iceweasel' in about:config to 'firefox'. HTH, Tyler -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
customizing Debian's info files
Hi, Is there anyway to customize info files in a way that will be respected by future package updates? For example, the info entries for the R-doc package get filed under "Programming", but I'd prefer they were under "R". I can change the entry in /usr/share/info/dir, but it gets overwritten the next time any info files get updated. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tyler -- I'm Tyler Smith and I approve of this email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: customizing Debian's info files
Teemu Likonen writes: > On 2009-07-14 21:28 (-0300), tyler wrote: > >> Is there anyway to customize info files in a way that will be >> respected by future package updates? For example, the info entries for >> the R-doc package get filed under "Programming", but I'd prefer they >> were under "R". I can change the entry in /usr/share/info/dir, but it >> gets overwritten the next time any info files get updated. Any >> suggestions? > > As far as I know there are no any simple solutions. You need to edit the > R-doc package's info documents themselves and change the section. It's > the "INFO-DIR-SECTION" keyword. "install-info" command will update the > "dir" file. The problem is that next version of R-doc package will > overwrite your changes. > > Perhaps you can make a script which edits the info files automatically > (using "sed" or something). Ok, thanks. I'll try writing a script of my own. Is there some way to trigger the script to run following every package update, or even better anytime the dir has changed? Cheers, Tyler -- Saint Mary's - they do science there! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
rsync over lan
Hi, With some help from the good people on this list, I got a simple home network setup, and I'm now using it to backup my laptop to my desktop using rsync. I have one question though - I'm backing up /etc, /home, /opt, and parts of /usr and /var. I want to preserve ownership, but if I do the backup from my user account as: rsync -av --include-from=/home/tyler/rsync_includes / etch.mynetwork:/home/tyler/laptop Then the ownerships all get set to tyler tyler, even when they are originally root root. In order to preserve the ownerships, I have to run the above command as root, which requires that I configure sshd on the desktop to accept root logins. Even behind a NAT router, that doesn't seem like a good idea. Am I missing something? Thanks, Tyler -- Support standardized open formats and control your own data - Reject Microsoft OOXML http://noooxml.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync over lan
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > tyler wrote: > > [I use my lan to] >> do the backup from my user account as: >> >> rsync -av --include-from=/home/tyler/rsync_includes / >> etch.mynetwork:/home/tyler/laptop >> >> Then the ownerships all get set to tyler tyler, even when they are >> originally root root. In order to preserve the ownerships, I have to run >> the above command as root, which requires that I configure sshd on the >> desktop to accept root logins. Even behind a NAT router, that doesn't >> seem like a good idea. Am I missing something? > > Often, rsync is used like this only with dedicated LAN ports, not > through a bridge. In that case, you simply use fixed IP addresses > with the dedicated ports, and use hosts.allow and hosts.deny to > set up security. In that way, unless you have an actual breach > of one of the host machines itself (as opposed to simply compromise > of the bridge) you don't get a problem. You use a different domain > for the dedicated local connections, e.g. 192 on the NAT LAN, and > 172 for the dedicated ports. Then make sure that the LAN domain > is denied for the dedicated ports. The dedicated ports may > then be connected via a crossover cable, or if you want a few > machines, then via an ethernet hub. It is key not to connect > the bridge and the hub together. Then only allow root login > from the dedicated ports. I'm not expert on these matters, so > I don't know the details of how to set that up. Perhaps it's > as simple as where you permit an NFS mount to come from. > Thanks. This seems a little involved given my LAN is composed of exactly three computers, my laptop, my desktop, and my wife's laptop, which never leaves the house. Given what Celejar reported wrt root logins for sshd, I'm thinking I may just leave the root login set to yes, but set it to accept only key authentication, rather than actual password logins. Thanks, Tyler -- Recording a pay-per-view broadcast to watch later will be illegal under Bill C-61. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3049/125/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keeping more up to date than Lenny, safely?
"Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I dont really want to go "unstable"--the name alone scares me--but at > the same time i read the release notes for the new Ubuntu beta, and > its really nice. I *want* Gnome 2.24 (the auto XRandR thing is > especially nice, ive always wanted multi-head but am skeered to mess > with my xorg.conf). I _want_ the new version of Network Manager. > Etcetera. > > Is there any way to get this, but without the risk of the system > breaking every other day? I dont want my life to be about managing the > system, but im willing to have a little inconvenience in return for > more up to date features. > As I understand it, if there's something you really want, you've got four options: You can temporarily enable unstable, install the package you're after, and then remove unstable again. I do this on very rare occasions, and only for packages that are pretty much self contained. If I see the package is pulling in a lot of new dependencies, or updating anything on my existing system, I cancel the operation and move on to other options. This is really not recommended. You can download the sources and compile yourself. Again, this is best only for things that don't require updating dependencies. Since it's a bit more work, it's not worth doing for anything that you don't both need and understand well enough to trouble shoot compilation problems. You can upgrade to unstable, with all that that entails. (lots of people seem to run unstable without too much trouble, but I don't) You can wait ;) Cheers, Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
iptables script - where to put it?
Hi, I'm trying to learn how to firewall my laptop. I think I've got an appropriate, simple iptables script, but I can't figure out where to put it. Google provides lots of conflicting advice. I think it's supposed to go in /etc/init.d/? What do I need to do with this file to get it to run every time I boot? The actual content is copied below. Thanks, Tyler # start ### Clear the iptables iptables -F iptables -X iptables -Z iptables -t nat -F iptables -t nat -X iptables -t nat -Z iptables -t mangle -F iptables -t mangle -X iptables -t mangle -Z Set default policy to drop all inbound and forwarded packets, accept all outbound iptables -P INPUT DROP iptables -P FORWARD DROP iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT Allow input from established connections iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT Allow input from localhost iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT Allow icmp error messages iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 3 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 11 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 12 -j ACCEPT REJECT ident requests iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 113 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset # end # -- When in doubt, use brute force. --Ken Thompson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iptables script - where to put it?
Thanks everyone for your help! I started with Jeff's suggestion, below, which seems to work fine. I don't actually boot very often, usually just hibernating. But after modifying /etc/network/interfaces, shutting down and rebooting, my iptables are intact, so that's a start. Cheers, Tyler "Jeff Soules" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> go in /etc/init.d/? What do I need to do with this file to get it to run >> every time I boot? The actual content is copied below. > > Actually, the easiest way to make sure the firewall rules are always > on is to add this to your /etc/network/interfaces : > # Bring up firewall > pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules > > # And save fw state on shutdown > post-down iptables-save -c > /etc/iptables.rules > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to learn how to firewall my laptop. I think I've got an >> appropriate, simple iptables script, but I can't figure out where to put >> it. Google provides lots of conflicting advice. I think it's supposed to >> go in /etc/init.d/? What do I need to do with this file to get it to run >> every time I boot? The actual content is copied below. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tyler >> >> # start ### >> Clear the iptables >> iptables -F >> iptables -X >> iptables -Z >> iptables -t nat -F >> iptables -t nat -X >> iptables -t nat -Z >> iptables -t mangle -F >> iptables -t mangle -X >> iptables -t mangle -Z >> >> Set default policy to drop all inbound and forwarded >> packets, accept all outbound >> iptables -P INPUT DROP >> iptables -P FORWARD DROP >> iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT >> >> Allow input from established connections >> iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >> >> Allow input from localhost >> iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT >> >> Allow icmp error messages >> iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 3 -j ACCEPT >> iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 11 -j ACCEPT >> iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 12 -j ACCEPT >> >> REJECT ident requests >> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 113 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset >> >> # end # > > -- Breaking a digital lock to access your own property will be illegal under Bill C-61. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3046/125/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hunting a Math Application
"Wu, Kejia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there some open source application with functions as Matlab on linux? > Octave is the closest you'll get, but R (a dialect of S) and maxima (similar to Mathematica) might also be useful. Cheers, Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When stability is pointless
"Sam Kuper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > A number of comments missed my main point, which was: > > When 'stable' packages don't work, or are inadequately documented, > it's a pain because the upstream developers (who are otherwise often > the first port of call for help and documentation) may no longer > support the version of the software that the stable package installs. > I'm still missing your point here. The example you gave was _not_ of a stable package not working, it was a stable package that didn't conform to documentation for a *different* more recent version of the package. What you appear to want is for upstream developers or package maintainers to make sure that all the features of the latest release of a package are fully documented not only for that release, but also for previous releases. You seem to be overlooking the fact that _new_ features are _new_ exactly because they aren't present in _old_ versions of a program. So, unless there's some detail I've missed here, there already exist individual and community solutions to your problem - install it yourself from source, or make and share a backported .deb. Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
crash recovery
Hi, I just experienced a complete freeze of my laptop - amarok was stuck looping through the same second of music from an online stream, and the keyboard and mouse stopped responding completely. The screen appeared fixed, viewing an xpdf window. I couldn't even switch to a terminal to poke around there, as C-A-F1 etc. didn't respond. I'm running Lenny with fluxbox, and had just done an aptitude update. I don't recall anything heavy, about 40 packages including iceweasel. I had also just plugged in to the wall socket after running on battery power for several hours. I have checked /var/log/Xorg0.log.old, and the only EE messages are: (EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0) (EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap These show up periodically in this file, but not in /var/log/Xorg0.log, which I take it is the log for my current session. I use a USB keyboard and USB mouse sometimes, so maybe the error is when the keyboard is first plugged in or removed? I don't know where to begin trouble shooting - what's the first step? Is there something I can do to make it easier to find the problem if it happens again? I had similar problems in the past that I think were associated with doing some image manipulation in Inkscape or Gimp that were taking all of my RAM and CPU, but I wasn't doing anything like that today. Thanks, Tyler -- I never loan my books, for people never return them. The only books remaining in my library are those I’ve borrowed from others. --unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: crash recovery
Michael Iatrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When the date was Wednesday 12 November 2008, tyler wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just experienced a complete freeze of my laptop - amarok was stuck
>> looping through the same second of music from an online stream, and the
>> keyboard and mouse stopped responding completely. The screen appeared
>> fixed, viewing an xpdf window. I couldn't even switch to a terminal to
>> poke around there, as C-A-F1 etc. didn't respond.
>>
>> I'm running Lenny with fluxbox, and had just done an aptitude update. I
>> don't recall anything heavy, about 40 packages including iceweasel. I
>> had also just plugged in to the wall socket after running on battery
>> power for several hours.
>>
>> I have checked /var/log/Xorg0.log.old, and the only EE messages are:
>
> You should also check the other important log files
> (/var/log/{messages,syslog} etc)
Well, it happened again, almost identical circumstances - reading a pdf
using xpdf, listening to amarok, plugging in the power cord, then
freeze. Here's the syslog from the 30 minutes prior to the first crash
yesterday:
Nov 12 13:04:45 blackbart -- MARK --
Nov 12 13:17:01 blackbart /USR/SBIN/CRON[25921]: (root) CMD ( cd / &&
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Nov 12 13:44:45 blackbart -- MARK --
Nov 12 14:04:45 blackbart -- MARK --
Nov 12 14:17:01 blackbart /USR/SBIN/CRON[26166]: (root) CMD ( cd / &&
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Nov 12 14:22:37 blackbart acpid: client connected from 32114[106:107]
Nov 12 14:25:32 blackbart acpid: client has disconnected
Nov 12 14:33:51 blackbart syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart.
And here's what I have immediately prior to today's crash (duplicate
DHCP lines snipped out):
Nov 13 10:01:17 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255
port 67 interval 6
[snip]
Nov 13 10:02:18 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:02:18 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database -
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:09:25 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255
port 67 interval 8
[snip]
Nov 13 10:10:26 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:10:26 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database -
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:17:01 blackbart /USR/SBIN/CRON[24707]: (root) CMD ( cd / &&
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Nov 13 10:17:42 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255
port 67 interval 5
[snip]
Nov 13 10:18:43 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:18:43 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database -
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:21:54 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255
port 67 interval 6
[snip]
Nov 13 10:22:55 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:22:55 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database -
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:25:51 blackbart dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255
port 67 interval 6
[snip]
Nov 13 10:26:52 blackbart dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Nov 13 10:26:52 blackbart dhclient: No working leases in persistent database -
sleeping.
Nov 13 10:34:38 blackbart syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart.
I don't know why dhcp was trying to get a lease on ath0, as I was
connected via eth0. The fact that the crash seems to be related to the
power source suggests either a hardware problem or an acpi problem
though... I'll try and reproduce it. Any more ideas?
Thanks,
Tyler
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Re: crash recovery
Michael Iatrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When the date was Wednesday 12 November 2008, tyler wrote:
>
>>
>> I just experienced a complete freeze of my laptop - amarok was stuck
>> looping through the same second of music from an online stream, and the
>> keyboard and mouse stopped responding completely. The screen appeared
>> fixed, viewing an xpdf window. I couldn't even switch to a terminal to
>> poke around there, as C-A-F1 etc. didn't respond.
>>
>> I'm running Lenny with fluxbox, and had just done an aptitude update. I
>> don't recall anything heavy, about 40 packages including iceweasel. I
>> had also just plugged in to the wall socket after running on battery
>> power for several hours.
>>
>> I have checked /var/log/Xorg0.log.old, and the only EE messages are:
>
> You should also check the other important log files
> (/var/log/{messages,syslog} etc)
I just found this thread, which may or may not be related:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/10/msg01532.html
I'm running Lenny with the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel, and the thread above
suggests these problems might be solved in 2.6.27. Corrections, or
suggestions for fixes until 2.6.27 makes it's way into testing, welcome!
Tyler
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Re: How to uninstall a tar.gz package?
Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have auctex 11.84 installed via tar.gz package, and want now to have the cvs > version. > > Can anybody please suggest all the steps so to completely remove the old one? > Or maybe simply installing the cvs version will override the old installation? > If you build from source, I'm pretty sure both 11.84 and the cvs version will install themselves to the same place under /usr/local/share, with most of the key files ending up in: /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/ That being the case, if you just go ahead and install the cvs version it will overwrite all the old files with the new versions. At least, that's what I did, and everything seems to be working fine. Tyler -- Friends don't let friends send Word documents http://www.nothingisreal.com/dfki/no-word -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to uninstall a tar.gz package?
Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> I have auctex 11.84 installed via tar.gz package, and want now to have the >>> cvs version. >>> >>> Can anybody please suggest all the steps so to completely remove the old >>> one? Or maybe simply installing the cvs version will override the old >>> installation? > > > > tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> If you build from source, I'm pretty sure both 11.84 and the cvs version >> will install themselves to the same place under /usr/local/share, with >> most of the key files ending up in: >> >> /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/ >> >> That being the case, if you just go ahead and install the cvs version it >> will overwrite all the old files with the new versions. At least, that's >> what I did, and everything seems to be working fine. > > > Do you mean that you did what I want to do, i.e. installed the cvs version > *after* the source package, and in your experience all went well? If you > experienced that directly, I can be quite confident and try it myself. Please > let me know. > It's been a while since I changed anything. I seem to recall I had 11.84 installed from source, which I then replaced with 11.85, installed from source. I couldn't find any uninstall info, so I just installed right over top. No problems. To answer Tzafrir's question, I needed a version of Auctex that wasn't yet in the repositories, as it had a few bug fixes. I've since switched to using Emacs compiled from source as well. I'm fussy when it comes to my emacs, so I prefer to work with the latest release and control all the bits and pieces myself. Cheers, Tyler -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to uninstall a tar.gz package?
tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Do you mean that you did what I want to do, i.e. installed the cvs version >> *after* the source package, and in your experience all went well? If you >> experienced that directly, I can be quite confident and try it myself. >> Please >> let me know. >> > > It's been a while since I changed anything. I seem to recall I had 11.84 > installed from source, which I then replaced with 11.85, installed from > source. I couldn't find any uninstall info, so I just installed right > over top. No problems. > I just found this: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.general/2477/match=uninstall which suggests that you should delete the directory /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/ before installing the next version of auctex. I don't know if I did that or not. As long as the file names are the same between versions it shouldn't really matter. Also, you might have to tweak the dir file to get your info files listed properly. Cheers, Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory known only 1G
Lingling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My computer have 2 GB of ram, but why my Debin Etch detect only 1 GB ? > May be somebody have experience like this.. You need a kernel with highmem enabled, probably a 686 instead of a 386. There was some discussion of this a ways back, google gave me this: http://www.nabble.com/Memory-Question-td8943302.html Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which files do what: .bashrc and friends
"Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On a Debian-based system running KDE 3.5.10 I see several files that > are used when logging in / starting a Konsole: > > .profile > .bash_history > .bash_logout > .bash_profile > .bashrc > > Thanks in advance. If there are any good docs that explain this, I'd > love to see them. I have not been able to google anything recent that > is relevant to Debian. man bash answers most of your questions: FILES /bin/bash The bash executable /etc/profile The systemwide initialization file, executed for login shells /etc/bash.bashrc The systemwide per-interactive-shell startup file /etc/bash.logout The systemwide login shell cleanup file, executed when a login shell exits ~/.bash_profile The personal initialization file, executed for login shells ~/.bashrc The individual per-interactive-shell startup file ~/.bash_logout The individual login shell cleanup file, executed when a login shell exits ~/.inputrc Individual readline initialization file I believe .profile and .bash_profile are synonyms, so you'd only use one or the other. .bash_history holds your command line history, and is not used for runtime configuration. I'm not sure what shell scripts run from another application do. I would guess they stuff done in .bashrc would affect them, but not stuff in *profile. Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which files do what: .bashrc and friends
"Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2008/11/19 tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> On a Debian-based system running KDE 3.5.10 I see several files that >>> are used when logging in / starting a Konsole: >>> >>> .profile >>> .bash_history >>> .bash_logout >>> .bash_profile >>> .bashrc >>> >>> Thanks in advance. If there are any good docs that explain this, I'd >>> love to see them. I have not been able to google anything recent that >>> is relevant to Debian. >> >> man bash answers most of your questions: >> >> > > Thanks, Tyler. I had read man bash so long ago that I forgot what was > there, and didn't think to review it. Just to confirm (as in CS so > many things are counter intuitive): > 1) Is a login shell run when the user logs onto KDE (even though he > does not see a konsole window)? Yes. > 2) Is an interactive shell the term used for opening a konsole window? Yes. Cheers, Tyler -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which files do what: .bashrc and friends
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 19 November 2008, "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about > 'Re: Which files do > what: .bashrc and friends': >>1) Is a login shell run when the user logs onto KDE (even though he >>does not see a konsole window)? > > Nope a login shell is when bash is executed with the -l option, or having > an argv[0] starting with '-'. > > If you want things to run when KDE starts up, you can use .kde/env > and .kde/Autostart. All readable files in .kde/env are sourced by > the /usr/bin/startkde script, which is run by /bin/sh. All .desktop files > in .kde/Autostart are "activated" (by kdeinit or somesuch, around the same > time your session is restored; .desktop file are like things in KMenu, they > might open a file, start a program, whatever). > Aha! I assumed since kdm was where KDE users login from, then it must call .*profile in the process. Seems strange that you could be logged in without having actually encountered a login shell. Google gave me this, which helped to explain it: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-350855.html Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Funny characters in doc-central/iceweasel
Hi, I have doc-central installed, and for some reason there are  (that's an A-hat, or A circumflex) characters scattered throughout the documents. For example: Chapter 10. System tips In the Debian Manual. I checked the page source, and the same character appears in the source code. I tried to change the font and encoding, but everything I tried produces the same character. This doesn't seem right, but I'm not sure what I'm missing. Thanks for any suggestions, Tyler -- Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. --Edward Tufte http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: laptop recomendations
Micha Feigin writes: > Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under > charging. If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather > quickly. What I have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop > charging before 100% and that can add quite a bit of like to the > battery. How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how to do this under Debian. Thanks, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT: laptop recomendations
Winfried Tilanus writes: > On 12/12/2008 12:58 PM, tyler wrote: > >> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it >> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it >> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the >> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how >> to do this under Debian. > > Install the tp_smapi modules. See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi > for more information. Great, thanks! Cheers, Tyler -- ``I have no "intellectual property," and I think that all claimants to such property are thieves.'' --Wendell Berry http://home.btconnect.com/tipiglen/resist.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
