Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 25 February 2007 19:39, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Max Hyre wrote:
> >Ladies and gentlemen:
> >
> > 
> >I like a good digression as well as the next person, probably better
> > than most, but this is ridiculous.  I'd love to see this go over to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Could someone set it up, please?
> > 
> >
> >Thank you for your attention.  You may now return to your
> > previously-scheduled demagoguery.
>
> You do know about "ignore thread" right?

Personally I think this thread is a bit sick, and also a bit sad.

I thought this mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org was for for folks 
using debian to get answers to their problems.

This doesn't seem to be the case, but more so that anything goes.

This isn't the only list that has problems. The Fedora list is just as bad. 

What's the matter folks???

Who gives a shit about politics, and what the hell has it it got to do with 
the debian mailing list???

Perhaps we should start a rant about religion as well. That would really get 
the ball rolling.

Perhaps I should just unsubscribe from the debian, and fedora lists. There 
seems to be less of this sort of crap on forums. At least they are moderated.

btw. For those are interested in discussing politics, I'm sure there are 
enough IRC channels to do that on.

Nigel. and really pissed off with all this crap on the list.



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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 25 February 2007 22:30, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > Personally I think this thread is a bit sick, and also a bit sad.
>
> That's ok if we can think that of you.
>
> > I thought this mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org was for for
> > folks using debian to get answers to their problems.
>
> You thought wrong.
>
> > What's the matter folks???
>
> You perception?
>
> > Who gives a shit about politics, and what the hell has it it got to do
> > with the debian mailing list???
>
> It's the Debian *USER* list, not the *DEBIAN* User list.  As has been
> discussed several times every time a long thread comes up the list is for
> the discussion of topics of interest to users of Debian.  Most times this
> means discussing Debian itself.  Sometimes, it doesn't.
>
> I have never seen any piece of information or missive from a moderator
> which disputes that.  Now, given that I've got 3 Debian boxes (2 in 2
> completely different states) and 1 KUbuntu box (A Debian derivative) does
> that qualify me as a user of Debian?  Yup.  So if we, as users of Debian,
> want to venture into or political peccadilloes every now and again, that's
> fine.  What wouldn't be fine is a bunch of, say, Windows users dunno what
> Debian is coming along and discussing something truly inane like Britney's
> latest hair-do or the global impact on where Anna Nicole is buried.
>
> Generally when it doesn't the thread is marked OT (why, I dunno), is
> easily avoided, and dies out of its own accord within 2-3 weeks.  Rarely
> are two large non-Debian threads going on at once.  Trust me, if you think
> the list isn't mostly Debian talk my Trash says otherwise.
>
> > Perhaps we should start a rant about religion as well. That would really
> > get the ball rolling.
>
> Nah.  Though we can expand the political discussion a bit.  How about
> venturing into the area on how France lacks free speech and they're always
> trying to censor stuff?
>
> > Perhaps I should just unsubscribe from the debian, and fedora lists.
> > There seems to be less of this sort of crap on forums. At least they are
> > moderated.
>
> That might just be your best bet.  Or you could understand what the
> list is for and adjust your own perceptions accordingly.  Somehow I think
> you're one of those who will insist the world bend to your faulty view.
>
> > Nigel. and really pissed off with all this crap on the list.
>
> Then stop spewing it.

I just have to wonder at what sort of persons are passing for humans on this 
list.

I subscribed to the list to get help.

Someone on another list had suggested not going the IRC way, because of the 
all the child like bantor. Therefore I've stayed on mailing lists. Sadly they 
are no better. Goodness knows what someone trawling the archives looking for 
answers will think.

To hell with it . In the next 2 hours I'll be off this list, and if anyone 
asks I will not suggest they subscribe to it.

answers to debian questions, yes, but not on this list.

Nigel.



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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 25 February 2007 23:32, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:25:43PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I just have to wonder at what sort of persons are passing for humans on
> > this list.
> >
> > I subscribed to the list to get help.
>
> OK.  What problem do you have then?  I'd like to help out.
>
> > Someone on another list had suggested not going the IRC way, because of
> > the all the child like bantor. Therefore I've stayed on mailing lists.
> > Sadly they are no better. Goodness knows what someone trawling the
> > archives looking for answers will think.
>
> Seriously, who is going to trawl the archives reading every message in a
> list with a subject line like "OT: sponge burning" or "OT: news flash"
> and expect to find anything resembling an answer to a technical Debian
> question.
>
> > To hell with it . In the next 2 hours I'll be off this list, and if
> > anyone asks I will not suggest they subscribe to it.
>
> Too bad.  Especially since OT traffic is such a small proportion of list
> traffic.
>
> > answers to debian questions, yes, but not on this list.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto

Ok.Unsubscribe is going through to the list now. I'm happy with Debian, but 
not with the juveniles that are on the list.

Nigel.


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Re: No Mouse in X

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 28 February 2007 00:28, Dave Walker wrote:
> Hope I am at the right place to ask for help!
>
> I have reached a debian wall - I have been happy with my progress to date
> in getting my sarge built and running, but have run into something that I
> can't overcome.
>
> The Problem:
>
> When I run X (startx) from any user account, it begins, loads Gnome (just
> today downloaded it) but the mouse does not move. I found out that 
>   quits X, thankfully, so I can return to the command line.

> Thanks, much
> Dave Walker

This may have absolutely nothing to do with your problem, but I had to load a 
couple of modules on one of my sarge installs to get the mouse working, which 
is a ps mouse (A4tech scrollball).

The 2 modules are.
psmouse
mousedev

If none of the other suggestions work, it may be worth doing a Ctrl Alt 
Backspace, then type root, (or su, if you are still logged in as user), 
ENTER, followed by your root password, and ENTER again, then type "modprobe 
psmouse" , ENTER, then type "modprobe mousedev", ENTER, both without the 
double quotes. Then type exit. You should now be able  to try startx again as 
user, and see if this fixes the mouse problems.

As I say. My problem may be different to yours, but if it does work, and the 
mouse works ok when you're logged into Gnome, open the CLI (terminal), su to 
root, type gedit, for a text editor, click on "filesystem", then on the 
right, click on etc. In etc, scroll down to the modules file, and click on 
it. Add the 2 modules psmouse, and mousedev on separate lines, then click on 
save, close the editor, and exit the terminal. Each time you boot now, these 
2 modules will be loaded automatically when you bootup.

All the best with your Sarge install.

Nigel.


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Re: where does kmail keep its mail files?

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 28 February 2007 22:22, andy wrote:
> Hi all
> Where does Kmail locate its mail directories? It is evidently in a
> different place than where I am used to it being.
>
> Thanks
>
> /A

You should find them in /home/user/Mail

Nigel.


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Re: where does kmail keep its mail files?

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 28 February 2007 22:37, andy wrote:
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 February 2007 22:22, andy wrote:
> >> Hi all
> >> Where does Kmail locate its mail directories? It is evidently in a
> >> different place than where I am used to it being.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> /A
> >
> > You should find them in /home/user/Mail
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> Thanks Nigel
>
> That is the place I first went to look, because that is where I'd expect
> them to be. Only thing I have in /home/user/Mail/inbox is "1". I was
> wondering if they were kept in /opt or something, because they don't
> seem to be in .kde or any other (obvious) dot directories.
>
> Cheers
>
> /A
The only other suggestion I had from the KDE list when I wanted to move mail, 
was to look in /home/user.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail . That's a bit hit and 
miss, but you might find it there.

Nigel.


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Re: usb audio device & sound card

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 02 March 2007 04:43, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > > Hi.  I have a cheap usb audio device for Skype, and a regular sound
> > > card for the rest of the computer.  I'm using Etch.  I would like to
> > > be able to get sound when browsing the internet, or listening to
> > > music, or watching movies, from the soundcard, while simultaneously
> > > being able to use the usb audio device for Skype.
> >
> > I created a file in my home directory named .asoundrc with the following
> > contents:
> >
> > pcm.!default {
> > type hw
> > card 1
> > }
> >
> > ctl.!default {
> > type hw
> > card 1
> > }

> The fact that I can't get sound working properly for this computer and its
> devices has my Windows friends laughing at me (sound, apparently, is a
> "basic", and if Linux can't even handle that, well, "what good is it?"). 
> So, to help me regain a bit of dignity, please share any knowledge you may
> have with me.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

I've had the same sort of problem with my usb midi keyboard. Alsa when booting 
up finds the keyboard, sees it's an audio device, and sets it as card0.  Then 
Alsa finds the real soundcard, and sets that as card1.

I'd suggest first to rename your .asoundrc so that it doesn't interfere with 
anything. In most cases a .asoundrc is not needed anyway, but some situations 
do require it.

Now you need to add some lines to /etc/modprobe.d/sound, as below.

alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
options snd-emu10k1 index=0
alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio
options snd-usb-audio index=1

Change  snd-emu10k1 to whatever your driver is for the soundcard.

Not sure if it's needed, but after closing the text editor, and su'ed to root, 
run  update-modules .

Reboot, and the cards should be loaded in the correct order.

If you do actually need a .asoundrc for the sake of your skype thingy, you may 
have to mess with that. I don't use skype, so have no idea.

The problem is that the USB is started early in the boot process, so anything 
resembling an audio device is picked up first by Alsa. I first encountered 
this on Fedora Core 1 in 2003, and got the fix from Fernando on the 
planetccrma list. Somehow FC4, and FC5 have fixed the problem, and I no 
longer have to set the indexing options as far as my usb midi keyboard is 
concerned. Whether that would be the same if an actual soundcard was on the 
USB I don't know.

Just to check this out for yourself, and before messing 
with /etc/modprobe.d/sound, unplug, or switch off the skype device (if it has 
a power switch), and reboot. The soundcard should be set as card0. Now plug 
in, or switch on the skype device. If you run, cat /proc/asound/cards now, 
you should see the skype device set as card1.

Hope this works for you.

Nigel.


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Re: wma player for firefox

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 07 March 2007 16:45, Jonas Geiregat wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'm using amazon to listen to cd's I might buy. But the mplayer plugin for
> firefox doesn't play the short pieces of music. I think it's the wma format
> , are there any players out there that might support this ?

I presume that you have mplayer installed, and the "essential" codecs pack.

Mplayer can be fetched from http://debian-multimedia.org/  .  Instructions are 
on the site for adding the repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list , and the gpg 
key can be found in the FAQ on the site.

The codecs pack you can get from. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/

Nigel.



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Re: authentication failure

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 13 March 2007 12:09, Paul Johnson wrote:
> semgogo sem wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user:
> > Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...
> >
> > Using SSH , I cannot log in using root - I get 'acccess denied'.
>
> Never log in as root.
>
> > I can log in using a second account I have set up, however when I try su
> > - root (and give root password) it fails and reports 'su: authentication
> > failure sorry'.
>
> Use  your root password on the Password: prompt su gives you.

A question Paul. On an earlier post the OP said that he had logged in as user, 
then using su had mistyped the root password 5 times. Is there a way that SSH 
could lock you out completely from su'ing to root, if you had made multiple 
typos on the root password?

Nigel.


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Re: Blacklisted module still loads!

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 13 March 2007 03:52, A. F. Cano wrote:
> I don't know what else to try.  I have tested the following in
> /etc/modules.conf:
>
> alias snd-cs46xx off
> blacklist snd-cs46xx
> install snd-cs46xx /bin/true (found this on a web site)
>
> in /etc/discover.conf-2.6 and /etc/discover.d/alsa-base
>
> skip snd-cs46xx
>
> A kernel boot parameter:
>
> snd-cs46xx.blacklist=yes
> (per http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch05s02.html.en
> section 5.2.1.3)
>
> None of the above prevent the *X&[EMAIL PROTECTED] snd-cs46xx module from 
> being
> loaded.  The machine in question being an IBM thinkpad 600E, that
> module doesn't work.  What I really need is snd-cs4231.  Once the
> latter is loaded manually (after unloading snd-cs46xx), sound works.
>
> This is on an Etch system (recently upgraded from Sarge), kernel
> 2.6.18 from the deb source package available and compiled locally.
>
> Can someone clarify what is going on here - what program is doing
> the loading?  This is a MB/non-removable device, so I presume it's
> not udev.  In any case, it seems that any of the above should have
> prevented the automatic loading.
>
> Help!  This is driving me nuts!  What have I overlooked?  Thanks in
> advance.
>
> A.

I don't know if this any help, but I've had similar problems on Fedora Core 2, 
where my webcam was grabbing /dev/video0, and the TV tuner card wasn't being 
loaded at all. On other distros the TV tuner card has /dev/video0, and the 
webcam /dev/video1.

My fix on FC2 was to add a few lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, as below.

/sbin/modprobe -r ov511

/sbin/modprobe tda9887 port2=0 pal=I
/sbin/modprobe bttv tuner=38 automute=0
#install bttv /sbin/modprobe tda9887 port2=0 pal=I; /sbin/modprobe 
--ignore-install bttv

/sbin/modprobe ov511 force-palette=15

The above, first removed the webcam driver that was using /dev/video0, then 
loaded the driver for the TV tuner card (bttv), which now had /dev/video/0, 
then reloaded the webcam driver (ov511) , which now had /dev/video1, and it 
all works.


Perhaps this will work for you on Debian. The file is in /etc/init.d/rc.local. 
There is a lot of script in this file compared to the on in Fedora Core 2, 
but it probably works the same.

I'd just try adding the following lines in this file and see how it goes.

modprobe -r snd-cs46xx
modprobe snd-cs4231

If what happens on FC2 is anything to go by, this should unload snd-cs46xx, 
and then load snd-cs4231.

I hope this works for you.

Nigel.


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Re: Readable Bash Primer

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 15 March 2007 07:25, Dave Thayer wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:15:29PM +0100, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
> > David Baron writes:
> > > Anything on line. The "man" is unreadable.
> >
> > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
>
> This is also packaged in Debian for your disconnected convenience:
>
> apt-get install abs-guide
>
> dt

That looks really good, just what I was looking for. A question though. What 
do I type in the browser (Konqueror for example) to get it to display?

btw. I have installed it, but not sure how to access it.

Nigel.
>
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>
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Re: Readable Bash Primer

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 15 March 2007 15:02, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:57:53PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > That looks really good, just what I was looking for. A question though.
> > What do I type in the browser (Konqueror for example) to get it to
> > display?
> >
> > btw. I have installed it, but not sure how to access it.
>
> Open the file
>
> /usr/share/doc/abs-guide/html/index.html
>
> in your browser. I realize that this is in no way obvious.

True. I've only recently found the "man:bash" command to enter into the 
browser to read, in that instance the bash manual in an easier way than on 
the CLI.  I thought there might have been something similar for reading the 
html docs.
>
> Sometimes when you're looking at a package and thinking
> "What the heck do I do with this?", your first step should
> be to look in /usr/share/doc/[package-name]. If that doesn't
> help, often the last step is to do

I've usually gone into /usr/share/doc, and opened individual html files in a 
text editor, yet the correct way, as you've shown is so simple.

Thanks very much for the help.

Nigel.


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Re: scripting

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 15 March 2007 17:36, john gennard wrote:
> I'm trying to understand Debian's startup procedure and
> follow the relevant scripts. Where can I find a tutorial
> on scripting?
>
> For example, /etc/init.d/rc - I can roughly understand
> what is happening (the comments often indicate the way), but
> the finer points are obscure. I've found a tutorial written
> in 2000 and a number of other things which appear to relate
> to bash scripting, but none show many of the words used in
> /etc/init.d/rc. Does each Distro create it's own words?
>
> I realise I shall not become expert, but that's no reason not
> to try to reach a certain level. Can someone indicate the way
> to a 'beginners guide/tutorial'? A direct reply would be
> appreciated - I've been subscribed to the list for ten years,
> but have recently been forced to unsubscribe (over 100 OT
> posts per day has become too much for me to deal with on dial-up).
>
> John.

By coincidence that has been discussed today. Just do an.
apt-get install abs-guide

To use it, and I was clueless, just type a / into the webbrowser, and work 
your way down the tree to /usr/share/doc/abs-guide/html/index.html

Nigel.


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Re: Sirius radio streaming?

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 15 March 2007 21:39, charlie derr wrote:
> 
>
> >> I'm thinking now that
> >> the file associations are maintained in the KDE control center.  Does
> >> that sound right? (obviously I use KDE on my desktop)
> >>
> >> ~c
> >
> > It seems strange to me that if you use KDE you'd even have totem.
>
> I don't "only" use KDE, I have a lot of other stuff installed (I almost
> never login directly to gnome, but sometimes I'll use openbox instead of
> KDE (especially when my main purpose is to run vmware to get at a virtual
> machine)).  So I'm not at all surprised that totem is there (it works well
> for a surprising number of things, but not quite everything it thinks it
> ought to work for).
>
> > Yes,
> > KDE holds file associations in the control center, but Iceweasel handles
> > them too.  You need to tell Iceweasel how to handle the file.  Edit ->
> > Preferences, Content tab, Manage button.
>
> I don't know if there's a bug here or not, but I can't figure out how to
> actually add a new file association with that interface (modify and delete
> seem to be the only options available).   Probably there's some preferences
> file (xml?) somewhere that could be edited directly in my .mozilla/firefox
> directory to fix this.  But it does seem that there ought to be a GUI
> option for adding a new file association.  In poking around, I see a
> pluginreg.dat file that looks like it's probably the ticket, but at the top
> there's a warning not to edit it, as it's a generated file.  Anyone got any
> clues on this?
>
> > If you have mplayer, you can dump totem because mplayer can play
> > anything that totem can.  You might want to look into kaffeine as well.
> >  That is a popular media player for KDE, as well as kmplayer, which is a
> > kde front-end to mplayer.
>
> Yeah, I installed kmplayer, but konqueror won't even get the www.sirius.com
> homepage to load properly (perhaps because of flash?).

Hi. I've just been to the homepage from FC2 with Konqueror (Debians on the 
other machine), and the page has loaded ok. I don't have Kmplayer installed, 
but accessing the page using Firefox, and signing up for the freebie 3 day 
trial I'm receiving some music. I'm on dialup so it keeps dropping out (lack 
of bandwidth) , but I'm hearing the sounds. The only Internet radio I can 
receive using Konqueror is from http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 using the 
realplayer plugin.
>
> > Oh, the choices...how does one know which app is best for each task?
> > Recommendations from others (including myself) are only so good.  The
> > best method is to try for yourself and pick your favorite.
>
> Yeah, thanks very much for the suggestions.  I'm still a little baffled
> about how much of a grip totem seems to have on my media files.  In the KDE
> control center I've modified the file associations so that mplayer is at
> the top of the list of applications for opening .asx files, and yet
> iceweasel still continues to try to use totem.

Personally, and I mean personally I'd get rid of Totem, and use Mplayer. You 
need to have the w32codecs package installed for it as well, but it seems to 
work ok. 
>
>  thanks again,
>   ~c
>
> > Joe

Nigel.


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Re: Sound on Linux?

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 16 March 2007 15:26, Ken Heard wrote:
> Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > LAP:~# artsd stop
> > Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
> > can't create mcop directory
> >
> > I usually kill artsd
>
> I tried:
>
> LAP:/# kill artsd
> -su: kill: artsd: arguments must be process or job IDs

You can disable it in KDE's control centre/Sound and Multimedia/Sound system. 
Just uncheck the "Enable the sound system" box, then apply.

Most soundcards are not capable of multiple audio streams, and the aRts sound 
server is a prime candidate for causing problems, as it grabs the soundcard, 
then other sound apps won't work.

The last thing you want is having multiple problems preventing the sound from 
working.

You might also check.
cat /proc/asound/cards   to see if the card is actually showing up as card0.

Nigel.


>
> > LAP:~# /etc/alsa reload
> > -su: /etc/alsa: is a directory
> >
> > sorry, it was /etc/init.d/alsa reload
>
> LAP:/# /etc/init.d/alsa reload
> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-opl3sa2 snd-opl3-lib snd-hwdep
> snd-cs4231-lib snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-page-alloc
> snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi
> snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device.
> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-opl3sa2 snd-opl3-lib snd-hwdep
> snd-cs4231-lib snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-page-alloc
> snd-mpu401-uart snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi
> snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device.
>
> 
> Snip.
> 
>
> > .
> >
> >
> > ah...
> > I read from this page:
> > This module does not support auto probe (if ISA PnP is not used) thus
> > all ports must be specified!!!
> >
> > Not 100% sure, but probably isa-pnp kernel module is needed for this
> > card to be properly configured.
> > grep isa-pnp /etc/modules
> >
> > if #isa-pnp line appears I suggest you to uncomment it and reboot.
>
> No isa-pnp line in /etc/modules.
>
> However, I did find:
>
> LAP:/# find -iname isa
> ./sys/bus/isa
> ./sys/devices/isa
> ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4/sound/isa
> ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/include/config/isa
> ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/include/config/generic/isa
> ./lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/sound/isa
> ./lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/sound/isa
> LAP:/# find -iname isa-pnp
> LAP:/#
>
> I am using kernel 2.6.18-4-686.
>
>   Ken Heard


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Re: Sound on Linux?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 17 March 2007 11:12, Ken Heard wrote:

> "Another factor may or may not be relevant.  Two days ago I compiled
> from source and installed dosemu-1.3.4.  The installation was successful
> in that it is allowing me to use my beloved dos based applications.
> However, the last message returned by ./configure was a warning that SDL
> version 1.2.0 was not found.
>
> "I consequently installed four packages which had sdl in the name:
> libsdl1.2debian, libsdl1.2debian-alsa, libsdl-net1.2 and
> libsdl-sound1.2.  I tried to purge these packages, but aptitude wanted
> to remove a whole series of other packages including grub and icedove.
> So I did not remove them.  I also tried to remove them using Kpackage,
> but Kpackage wanted to remove all of KDE.  So these four sdl packages
> remain installed.  (By the way, why do aptitude and Kpackage want to
> remove different apparent dependencies?  But I digress.)"
>
> Could these packages are also competing to provide sound on the laptop
> and are powerful enough to prevent use of either noatun or KsCD?  I ask
> because I finally remembered that before I had installed dosemu-1.3.4
> and these four sdl packages I had been able to listen to audio CDs with
> noatun.  Now I cannot.
>
> Any opinions on this matter?   In any event, as I do not seem to need
> these packages for dosemu, I should remove them -- once I figure out how
> to do so *without* removing key packages.  I also really wonder whether
> I need to keep the arts set of packages.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken Heard

I've spent some time looking into this today, but my Debian installs are on 
the other machine, and the sound card is an Audigy2 soundblaster, which is 
capable of multiple audio streams, so I've been looking at the problem on my 
FC2 install, with an earlier version of KDE.

First regarding SDL. I installed the relevant SDL packages on FC2 so I could 
play an SDL based game, and I've just looked on Debian Etch, and have 
installed it also on there for some reason or other.  The packages installed 
are.
libsdl-image1.2
libsdl-mixer1.2
libsdl-ttf2.0-0
libsdl1.2debian
libsdl1.2debian-oss
I have the alsa-oss package installed, so the above package doesn't create any 
problems, as the alsa-oss package provides an Alsa emulation layer to apps 
that need to use OSS.

I do not have libsdl-sound1.2, or libsdl-net1.2 installed.

I can't remember why I installed the SDL stuff. That was when my Etch was 
still Sarge, and is probably for some audio app that I installed.

I don't believe there is any problem in leaving those SDL libraries installed, 
as they should only be called on when you run an app that requires them.

btw. Is dosemu working for you?

It's worth installing the alsa-oss package, as if you have any OSS audio apps 
that you want to use, they will then work.

Getting back to KDE, aRts, and Noatun.

Noatun will play a .ogg music file irrespective of whether the check box in 
Controlcentre/sound and multimedia/sound system is checked or not.
Now I do have a one liner in a file named .asoundrc in /home user, and it 
doesn't matter now if that check box is checked or not. I can play a tune 
using Noatun, and play another tune using MhWaveedit at the same time.

The one liner is below with instructions.

Noatun, and playing cd's. I didn't know it could do that. Anyway, when I put a 
CD in the drive on Etch, I get a bit of activity showing on the drive, but 
nothing on the desktop. I then open cdplayer, and the CD is showing there 
with the title of the CD. Then pressing play, just plays the CD. I have seen 
this sort of multiple choice thing when inserting a CD on Fedora Core 5 
though. Btw. I don't though have kaffeine installed, so perhaps it behaves 
differently then.

Another thing to look at is /etc/group , and see if you as user are on the 
cdrom group. IIRC I put myself on that, as before doing so I could only play 
CD's when logged into the desktop as root.

Here's the one liner.

First create a file in your /home/user directory named .asoundrc . Then add 
the following line to the file, highlight, and paste, whatever.

pcm.dsp0 {  type plug  slave.pcm "dmix" }

Save it, and close the file. Seriously I don't know if this will fix any of 
your problems, but now I can have the checkbox in KDE's control centre/sound 
and multimedia/soundsystem checked without causing problems with other music 
apps.

Can't think of much more to say at the moment.

Nigel.



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Re: missing the last letter in my posts

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 17 March 2007 21:50, Tyler Smith wrote:
> On 2007-03-17, Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > (just wildly guessing) try appending a line feed to your signature
> > for that= to=20 be removed by whatever is removing them.
>
> Ok, I've added a new line, let's see if I'm a Smith again...
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Tyler Smit

Unless you've done the typo your still a Smit. There's so much OT stuff gone 
on on this list that I'm not too bothered anymore about wasting a bit of 
bandwidth. How about trying the German version of Smith, which is Schmidt 
IIRC. It will interesting to see if the last letter appears.

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Re: missing the last letter in my posts

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 17 March 2007 23:35, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> On Saturday 17 March 2007 22:38, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Saturday 17 March 2007 21:50, Tyler Smith wrote:
> > > On 2007-03-17, Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > (just wildly guessing) try appending a line feed to your signature
> > > > for that= to=20 be removed by whatever is removing them.
> > >
> > > Ok, I've added a new line, let's see if I'm a Smith again...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Tyler Smit
> >
> > Unless you've done the typo your still a Smit. There's so much OT stuff
> > gone on on this list that I'm not too bothered anymore about wasting a
> > bit of bandwidth. How about trying the German version of Smith, which is
> > Schmidt IIRC. It will interesting to see if the last letter appears.
>
> now THAT is quite pointless. How about adding '.' ? that seams quite
> harmless too.
>
> Thomas

After posting I realised that I always put a full stop after my name, and have 
never had any problems with missing letters. Perhaps someones put the hex on 
the letter h, and it doesn't appear as a final letter in someones name.

Just for fun I'll put my full name here, without a fullstop, and see what 
turns up.

Nigel Henry


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Re: missing the last letter in my posts

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 17 March 2007 23:53, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Saturday 17 March 2007 23:35, Thomas Jollans wrote:
> > On Saturday 17 March 2007 22:38, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > On Saturday 17 March 2007 21:50, Tyler Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2007-03-17, Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > (just wildly guessing) try appending a line feed to your signature
> > > > > for that= to=20 be removed by whatever is removing them.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I've added a new line, let's see if I'm a Smith again...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Tyler Smit
> > >
> > > Unless you've done the typo your still a Smit. There's so much OT stuff
> > > gone on on this list that I'm not too bothered anymore about wasting a
> > > bit of bandwidth. How about trying the German version of Smith, which
> > > is Schmidt IIRC. It will interesting to see if the last letter appears.
> >
> > now THAT is quite pointless. How about adding '.' ? that seams quite
> > harmless too.
> >
> > Thomas
>
> After posting I realised that I always put a full stop after my name, and
> have never had any problems with missing letters. Perhaps someones put the
> hex on the letter h, and it doesn't appear as a final letter in someones
> name.
>
> Just for fun I'll put my full name here, without a fullstop, and see what
> turns up.
>
> Nigel Henry

Ok.My name turned up correct. I'll change my name to Smith now. This will be 
interesting.

Nigel Smith

using Kmail on FC2


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Re: missing the last letter in my posts

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 18 March 2007 18:15, Frank McCormick wrote:
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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:39:48 + (GMT)
>
> > Thanks all for your help with this. Just for the sake of completeness
> > I will try adding an extra '.' after my name. If that doesn't work my
> > only option may be to legally change my name to Tyle Smit. Sorry about
> > the wasted bandwidth...
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tyler Smith
>
>Whatever you did, it works.
>
> Cheers
>
> Frank

What's really weird though Frank, is that Tyler has put a "." at the end of 
his name, and his name now shows as Tyler Smith, but the dot isn't there. The 
last character he types isn't being recognised.

Tyler. can you send something again to confirm this, and put 2 dots at the end 
of your name. This is really weird.

Nigel.
>
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Re: missing the last letter in my posts

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 18 March 2007 19:36, Tyler Smith wrote:
> On 2007-03-18, Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What's really weird though Frank, is that Tyler has put a "." at the end
> > of his name, and his name now shows as Tyler Smith, but the dot isn't
> > there. The last character he types isn't being recognised.
> >
> > Tyler. can you send something again to confirm this, and put 2 dots
> > at the end of your name. This is really weird.
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> This message ends with:
>
> Tyler Smith..
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Tyler Smith.

It's a bit weird, but confirms that the last character you type before posting 
is ignored.

Nigel.


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DSSI "path not found" after upgrade to Etch

[Nigel Henry]

I'd appreciate a bit of help to fix this problem.

I had DSSI plugins installed on Sarge from Willem Engen's repo, and they had 
been working ok, but since upgrading to Etch, the desktop launchers fail to 
work. Trying as user on the CLI with the same command, I got a DSSI "path not 
found", and the plugin obviously doesn't load.

The path was "jack-dssi-host whysynth.so" as an example, and if I changed it 
on the desktop launcher to the full path 
"jack-dssi-host /usr/lib/dssi/0.9/whysynth.so" whysynth starts ok, and same 
goes for the CLI.

I Googled DSSI_PATH , and a spanish blog suggested,
export DSSI_PATH=/usr/lib/dssi/0.9
followed by
echo $DSSI_PATH
which verified the path as /usr/lib/dssi/0.9

I can now load the dssi plugin on the CLI with "jack-dssi-host whysynth.so", 
but the same command on the desktop launcher still won't work.

The spanish blog also suggested adding to ~/.bashrc
export DSSI_PATH=/usr/lib/dssi/0.9
Which I did by adding it to the bottom of the file (I havn't messed 
with .bashrc before) , still no change from the destop launchers for the 
plugins. Logged out of KDE, then back in, but no change.

Now I'm stuck. 

Would ~/.bash_profile, which is also still at default status have any effect 
on the entry I made in ~/.bashrc?  I've put it below.

Last login: Mon Mar 19 14:41:29 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat ~/.bash_profile
# ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
# see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples.
# the files are located in the bash-doc package.

umask 022

# the rest of this file is commented out.

# include .bashrc if it exists

#if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
#source ~/.bashrc
#fi

# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
#if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
#PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
#fi

# do the same with MANPATH
#if [ -d ~/man ]; then
#MANPATH=~/man:"${MANPATH}"
#fi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Any help very much appreciated.

Nigel.


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Re: Used tasksel to remove packages, now there are dependency issues

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 23 March 2007 06:54, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:
> Thanks for your help.
>
>  Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > 1.You run Debian.  You need a mail transport agent.  Many
> > scripts are set up to mail information to root.  Without a MTA,
> > this doesn't happen.  Out-of-the-box exim4 on Etch will deliver
> > local mail only.
>
> Ahhh, that explains why my other machine had exim installed by
> default too. Thanks.
>
> > Since networking is notworking, and so many things in *NIX
> > rely on networking even without being connected to a network,
> > you want the minimum trying to run.  Run in single mode
> > (either reboot single or do a shutdown (no -r or -h) to
> > single-user. When done do a full shutdown -r rather than
> > change back to RL 2.
>
> Networking is definitely working as I can access the web.
> "aptitude show openbsd-inetd" showed the status as "partially
> configured".
>
> > Its openbsd-inetd that's messing up the works.  Try
> > reinstall: # apt-get install --reinstall openbsd-inetd
>
> I tried with both apt-get and aptitude and here is the output
> (it's long):
>
> # aptitude reinstall openbsd-inetd
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initializing package states... Done
> Reading task descriptions... Done
> Building tag database... Done
> The following packages will be REINSTALLED:
>   openbsd-inetd
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to
> remove and 0
> not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
> Writing extended state information... Done
> Setting up openbsd-inetd (0.20050402-5) ...
> Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript
> openbsd-inetd,
> action "start" failed.
> dpkg: error processing openbsd-inetd (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

> Glen

I've just had that problem with openbsd-inetd after an apt-get update, apt-get 
dist-upgrade on Etch.

I resolved it by stopping the daemon using SysV-init Editor, then simply 
running apt-get dist-upgrade again, which then ran to completion.

It would appear that the update for openbsd-inetd wasn't being installed 
properly because the daemon was not being stopped prior to installing the 
update, and is why you see the start failed comment.

Don't know if that's any help.

Nigel.


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Re: You mean like 'chvt' ?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 24 March 2007 18:31, Joe Hart wrote:
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> pinniped wrote:
> > You mean like 'chvt' ?
>
> Oh no! More unreferenced top posts.  What the hell are you talking about?
>
> Oh wait, it's pinniped.  Should know better by now.
>
> Joe

He appears to have a problem understanding the differences between a mailing 
list and a forum. On a forum this way of replying is no problem, although 
many folks do quote the previous reply so as there is some context to what 
they are replying to.

I don't know the correct words for this, but it appears that some replies to 
forums are also appearing on mailing lists (this one for example) , but makes 
it extremely difficult to follow the discussion.

I suppose we just have to go with it. If we are perplexed about a one-liner 
reply with no context it's just one click to delete it, and the guy/gal 
that's looking for help loses out.

Nigel.


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Re: remove from list please

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 26 March 2007 21:09, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > 2007/3/25, les shartle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >please remove me from mailing list  my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > thanks a lot les shartle
>
> On 25.03.07 22:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > To subscribe to or unsubscribe from a mailing list, please send mail to
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > with the word `subscribe' or `unsubscribe' as Subject.
> >
> > *Please remember the -REQUEST part of the address.*
>
> I'm not sure it will work - he sends html+plaintext e-mails, whith are not
> understood by some mailing list managers

I must admit that a few weeks ago, and being seriously T'd off by all the OT 
stuff on the list, I tried to unsubscribe myself using that link at the 
bottom of every posting to the list.

3 times I tried that, and got zilch.

I do keep all welcome messages to lists thankfully, and used the link.
 http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

This page has a Subsription/Unsubsription line which should be highlighted. A 
click on that, and you move on to page 2. A few lines down on this page you 
should see highlighted "subsription or unsubscription web forms". Ok click on 
that. This now takes you to a page with all the mailing lists, and the 
one/ones you are subscribed to will be highlighted. Click on "debian-user" 
for example, and that takes you to a new page. Here you have a box for your 
email address, and a "Subscribe", and "Unsubscribe" button. Enter your email 
address, then click on "Unsubscribe". This worked for me, but I have since 
resubscribed as the OT stuff seems to have died down.

I know there are a lot of folks that post to the list that don't have english 
as their first language, but they've already been down the path I described 
above, to subscribe to the list in the first place . It should not be too 
difficult to go down the same path to unsubscribe.

There do seem to be some problems with that unsubscribe link at the bottom of 
every posting from debian-user list though. I use Kmail, and that link would 
not unsubscribe me.

This is not a rant, just an observation.

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problems with accessing X apps with ssh

[Nigel Henry]

I'm having a problem accessing X apps from FC2 to Debian Etch using ssh. I can 
ssh in to Etch ok, and can display stuff like lsmod on FC2's CLI, but if I 
try to run Gedit, Kwrite, or any other Xapp it's a no go. I tried 
in /etc/ssh_config on Etch uncommenting the line.
ForwardX11Trusted yes

This though hasn't resolved the problem.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Some ALSA apps stopped working

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 29 June 2007 13:39, Chris Lale wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, Nigel.
>
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 June 2007 12:08, Chris Lale wrote:
> >> Some of my Etch sound apps have stopped working: Audacity, RealPlayer
> >> 10, XMMS. Others continue to work OK: gxine, mplayer, VLC Media Player.
> >
> > Hi Chris. Is this [...] an existing install, and some have just stopped
> > working? [...]
>
> Yes. The apps have stopped working on my desktop machine.
>
> [...]
>
> > Seems like something has grabbed the soundcard, and won't let go. You
> > could try disabling ESD, Gnomes sound daemon, if you're using Gnome, or
> > aRTs sound server if you're using KDE. They are often responsible for
> > this sort of problem.
>
> Both esd and arts are disabled and there are no processes for either.
>
> >> I can fix XMMS by changing the output plugin from OSS to ALSA
> >> (right-click -> Options -> Preferences -> Output Plugin. This should not
> >> be necessary - my Etch laptop works perfectly through ALSA with the
> >> Output Plugin set to OSS.
> >>
> >> I can fix RealPlayer and Audacity by installing alsa-oss and running
> >> them from a terminal using "aoss realplay" and "aoss audacity". I am
> >> sure that this should not be necessary either.
> >
> > I always install alsa-oss as a matter of course, and didn't think that
> > RealPlayer would work without it, as it's an OSS app. Same goes for
> > Audacity IIRC.
>
> The above fixes work for the affected desktop machine. On my laptop
> alsa-oss is not installed. Nevertheless, Audacity loads and plays files. I
> have installed realplayer and
> it worked first time.

It looks like I was wrong then about Realplayer, and Audacity needing alsa-oss 
to be installed for them to work.
>
> > Does running ps auxw show anything using the sound. Some daemon or other?
>
> No oss or arts daemons. Nothing else related to sound that I can see.
>
> > Over to you.
>
> Both machines have Etch up to date.
>
> The laptop has /dev/dsp, the affected desktop does not. Perhaps this device
> is needed by alsa for the affected applications? I tried to create the
> device with
>
>  # cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV -v sound
>
> but the command created the devices in /dev/.static/dev/ because udev is
> active. Both machines have udev. Is there another way to create /dev/dsp?

Well I found something on Google here about missing /dev/dsp, which I have to 
say I've never experienced.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=544920

There's a load of other hits on Google for /dev/dsp missing , which may be 
worth having a look at.

The suggestion at least on this page is to, as root, modprobe snd-pcm-oss. I'd 
run lsmod first and see if snd-pcm-oss, and snd-mixer-oss are loaded. You 
should the device nodes have been created after modprobing it.

Why you've lost them though, is a bit of a mystery. I'd thought perhaps some 
kernel related thing, if your using a later kernel on your PC than on the 
laptop, or have rolled your own for the PC, and have missed something out 
when running makemenuconfig.

I've only got 3 kernels on my Etch. 2.4.27, 2.6.8 (both leftover from sarge), 
and a 2.6.17 which uses udev.

Let us know how you get on, and if there are still problems. The modules 
should be being loaded automatically when you boot up, and obviously were 
until recently, but if that modprobe works, you can always add them 
to /etc/modules, and they will be loaded when you boot. If they are already 
loaded, they'll just be skipped.

Nigel.


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Re: How to move the master boot record?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 30 June 2007 22:41, Felix Karpfen wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:33:09 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:33:09 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> > I want to do so beacuse: now I'm still using Debian Sarge, which is
> > installed in hda6; I want to install Debian Etch in hda9; then when I'm
> > sure that everything is all right with Etch I want to boot from hda9, so
> > hda6 can be formatted again.
>
> Has anyone done this successfully?
>
> I faced a similar problem, wrote to "linux.debian.user" for advice and
> scored a zero response.
>
> In my case I went ahead, made a backup of Sarge to a newly-created
> partition, checked that I could boot into it and then ran a "dist-upgrade"
> on my main Sarge partition.
>
> Result:
>
> - Etch boots and works perfectly (fortunately);
>
> - Sarge boots (despite some "fatal" notifications during the boot);
>   all the tested programs still work; the mouse does not. Running
>   "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" achieved nothing.
>
> For the record, I use LILO.
>
> Felix Karpfen

This is going back a bit, but all my Debian installs started off as Woody 
3.0r2, and have been constantly upgraded. I had no mouse problems (ps2 mouse) 
with the 2.4.27 kernel, but moving to a 2.6.8 kernel  caused problems.

I had to add to /etc/modules a couple of modules. I can't remember in which 
order, but at first I had no mouse pointer showing at all. I modprobed one 
module, then had the mouse pointer, but couldn't move it, then modprobed the 
second module, and all was working ok. See the 2 modules below.

mousedev
psmouse

Don't know if this helps, but it fixed my problems at the time.

Nigel.


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Re: /dev/video0

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 09 July 2007 01:59, Helen Easthope wrote:
> Debian Folk,
>
> I'm still trying to get a TV display from the
> ATI 3D Rage II under Etch.
>
> Xawtv complains about absence of /dev/video0.
> The ati and fglrx drivers are present, hald
> and udev are alive and I installed the unstable
> gatos 0.0.5-16.  So how should /dev/video* be
> created?
>
> Thanks, ... Helen E.

Just a thought, but are you a member of the video group in /etc/group?

If not, just add your username to it. I don't think a logout/login is good 
enough to update /dev. You may have to reboot.

Nigel.


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Re: USB bus fails to see devices

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 14 July 2007 18:55, Haines Brown wrote:
> Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I'm not sure if Hugo was responding to my question or some other, but
> in any case, this allows me to ask a simple question or two.
>
> My problem was that the kernel stopped recognizing my camera (nothing
> appears in kernlog/syslog or lsusb), although all other USB devices
> are recognized.
>
> I gather that when a kernel is compiled, makeconfig will have a
> section for USB Support, which should be enabled, and a choice USB
> type (in my case is OHCI), a built in Preliminary USB device
> filesystem, and a choice of devices such as SB OV511 Camera
> support.
>
> However, my kernel config-2.6.18-4-686 has nothing of any of
> this. If these are part of kernel configuration, why don't I see them
> in the kernel config file?
>
> I'm told that USB support in the Linux kernel is buggy. Is
> it possible a kernel bug could cause it to miss my camera but still
> see all other USB devices? Is it likely my kernel would support my
> camera, and then for no obvious reason stop?
>
> If I were to reconfigure and recompile my kernel to enable
> CONFIG_USB_DEBUG, would I do that by changing
>
> # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set
> to
> CONFIG_USB_DEBUG=y
>
> What would be the effect? Would I then get error messages in kernlog
> whenever the kernel tried but failed to see my camera? Would these
> messages definately tell me if the kernel were buggy?
>
> If my kernel were buggy, how would I know if there were a patch to fix
> the problem?
>
> When I was running sarge, I had a /proc/bus/usb/drivers directory on
> which was mounted usbdevfs, hub and usblp. The manual for The Linux
> USB Sub-System says that the usbdevfs must be mounted somewhere, and
> conventionally on /proc/bus/usb, and that it will hold a drivers
> pseudo-file. Has that changed under Etch? I don't have usbdevfs
> mounted anywhere ($ mount reports procbususb is mounted on
> /proc/bus/usb, although I see no procbususb file there). Wouldn't the
> absense of a mounted usbdevfs definitely interfere with the kernel's
> ability to see my camera?
>
> --
>
>Haines Brown, KB1GRM

Just a thought, and I don't know which kernel you were using when all your usb 
devices were working ok, but I installed Debian from Woody disks which were 
upgraded to Sarge, and with the 2.6 kernel IIRC I had problems with my usb 
midi keyboard, and had to add to /etc/modules uhci_hcd. I see that that 
module isn't showing on your list.

Currently running Sarge, Etch, and Lenny. Only 2 devices on the USB though. 
The usb midi keyboard, and a webcam.

Nigel.



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Re: Root partition full

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 14 July 2007 23:32, Mastery wrote:
> I have different partitions for / and /home.Unfortunately my root
> partition is full (7GB).What can i do now?
> Shall i try repartitioning my root through boot disk  or there is any
> other way to clean the / partition. I don't know how a 7 GB / is full
> since all the applications are stored in my home partition

It's worth having a look in /var/cache/apt/archives. You may find a load of 
files there that were downloaded when doing apt-get dist-upgrades. these 
files are not really needed anymore so doing an apt-get clean will give you a 
bunch of spare harddrive space.

Nigel.



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Re: ATI 3D Rage and /dev/video0; was /dev/video0.

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 15 July 2007 16:10, Helen Easthope wrote:
> Folk,
>
> At Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:10:30 -0400
> Steve Reilly wrote,
> "IVTV package should provide everything you need."
>
> OK.  I've installed ivtv-modules-2.6.18-4-686,
> libvideo-ivtv-perl, ivtv-utils, xserver-xorg-video-ivtv,
> and ivtv-modules-2.6-686.
>
> At Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:19:14 +0200 Nigel Henry wrote,
> "Just a thought, but are you a member of the video group in /etc/group?
>
> Yes; I'm in the video group.
>
> "You may have to reboot."
>
> Done.  Still no /dev/video0.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xawtv
> This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.18-4-686)
> can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
> v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
> v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
> no video grabber device available
>
> Does v4l need configuration beyond that in dselect?
>
> Does anyone have an ATI 3D Rage making a TV
> display in etch with kernel 2.6.18-4?
>
> Thanks, ... Helen E.

I don't know if I can be much help, as my card is a Hauppauge Win TV express 
(bt878a driver).

What do you get though from,as user, running, xawtv -hwscan  ?

Also the output from lspci -v  (just the stuff associated with the TV card)

Also the output from lsmod

If I can't help, perhaps someone else will see something that stands out.

btw. I spent about 3 weeks getting my Hauppauge card working on various 
distros. Patience is everything.

All the best.

Nigel.

Just a last thought. Have you tried other kernels that you have available? The 
latest I've got available is a 2.6.17 one. I say this in case it's a kernel 
problem.


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Re: what is this in tcpdump?

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 26 July 2007 00:47, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I get a lot of these in my tcpdump on my machine:
>
> 15:45:47.427003 IP basement.ipp > 192.168.1.31.ipp: UDP, length 129
> 15:45:48.427004 IP basement.ipp > 192.168.1.31.ipp: UDP, length 167
>
> 192.168.1.31 is my broadcast address, and basement is me. They usually
>   come in pairs like this, though sometimes split up by other
>   traffic. Always, though, its one of length 129 and one of
>   167
>
> A

Hi Andrew. It looks like these are just broadcasts from your print server. The 
difference in packet size seems to indicate that you have 2 printers. I have 
2 broadcasts every 30 secs. One is 189bytes, and the other 190bytes. I only 
have one printer. Printer1 on the Wireshark output attached should not be 
there, and will have to look into that, and get rid of the duplicated entry.

I have a bunch of distros that run on the machine that has the printer 
physically attached to it, and even more distros on the other machine that is 
using network printing. I've  obviously misconfigured something somewhere, 
which is very easy to do.

See attachment below.

Nigel.


Wireshark-capture-20070726
Description: Binary data

Udev. Problems with ordering hardware using /dev/video

[Nigel Henry]

I've managed to resolve most of my problems on my own, but Udev has beaten me.

Sarge is not a problem, as it's using the 2.4.27, or 2.6.8 kernel, and Udev is 
not in the equation. Etch has a 2.6.8, and a 2.6.17 kernel, and Lenny has a 
2.6.11, and a 2.6.17 kernel. The problem is with the 2.6.17 kernel that uses 
Udev.

My TV card was set as /dev/video0, and some time later the webcam was set 
as /dev/video1. this works fine with the pre 2.6.17 kernels (no Udev), and 
the TV card consistently is /dev/video0, and the webcam /dev/video1. Booting 
with the 2.6.17 kernel is a different scenario. Very hit and miss. Sometimes 
I boot up and starting Xawtv, I get the TV /dev/video0. Othertimes I bootup 
and start Xawtv, and get my webcam /dev/video1.

I've worked with ordering my soundcards, and the lines are quite simple, and 
have seen that something similar is possible with Udev, although the lines a 
re a bit more complex. Could someone give me a couple of lines so that my TV 
card is always /dev/video0, and the webcam is always /dev/video1?

Any help gratefully appreciated for fixing this annoying problem.

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Re: Udev. Problems with ordering hardware using /dev/video

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 31 July 2007 23:21, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 19:47:51 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I've managed to resolve most of my problems on my own, but Udev has
> > beaten me.
> >
> > Sarge is not a problem, as it's using the 2.4.27, or 2.6.8 kernel, and
> > Udev is not in the equation. Etch has a 2.6.8, and a 2.6.17 kernel, and
> > Lenny has a 2.6.11, and a 2.6.17 kernel. The problem is with the 2.6.17
> > kernel that uses Udev.
> >
> > My TV card was set as /dev/video0, and some time later the webcam was set
> > as /dev/video1. this works fine with the pre 2.6.17 kernels (no Udev),
> > and the TV card consistently is /dev/video0, and the webcam /dev/video1.
> > Booting with the 2.6.17 kernel is a different scenario. Very hit and
> > miss. Sometimes I boot up and starting Xawtv, I get the TV /dev/video0.
> > Othertimes I bootup and start Xawtv, and get my webcam /dev/video1.
>
> This flip-flopping is, AFAIK, more the fault of the newer kernel then
> the fault of udev. If the kernel would always load the modules in the
> same order then udev would probably assign the device nodes in a
> consistent manner.
>
> > I've worked with ordering my soundcards, and the lines are quite simple,
> > and have seen that something similar is possible with Udev, although the
> > lines a re a bit more complex. Could someone give me a couple of lines so
> > that my TV card is always /dev/video0, and the webcam is always
> > /dev/video1?
> >
> > Any help gratefully appreciated for fixing this annoying problem.
>
> Post the output of:
>
> udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)
>
> udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video1)
>
> (Only the blocks that have things like "ATTRS{model}" or "ATTRS{vendor}"
>  are important.)
>
> --
> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>   Florian   |

Output below. Bear in mind that /dev/video0 should be the TV card, /dev/video1 
the webcam, at least that is how they are loaded with pre Udev kernels.

 ssh 192.168.0.8
Password:
Linux debian 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Tue Jul 31 20:37:05 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)

Udevinfo starts with the device specified by the devpath and then
walks up the chain of parent devices. It prints for every device
found, all possible attributes in the udev rules key format.
A rule to match, can be composed by the attributes of the device
and the attributes from one single parent device.

  looking at device '/class/video4linux/video0':
KERNEL=="video0"
SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux"
DRIVER==""
ATTR{exposure}=="0"
ATTR{hue}=="128"
ATTR{contrast}=="54"
ATTR{saturation}=="110"
ATTR{brightness}=="124"
ATTR{sensor}=="OV7620"
ATTR{bridge}=="OV511+"
ATTR{model}=="Generic Camera _no ID_"
ATTR{custom_id}=="0"
ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera"
ATTR{dev}=="81:0"

  looking at parent device '/devices/pci:00/:00:07.2/usb1/1-2':
KERNELS=="1-2"
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb"
DRIVERS=="usb"
ATTRS{configuration}==""
ATTRS{maxchild}=="0"
ATTRS{version}==" 1.00"
ATTRS{devnum}=="3"
ATTRS{speed}=="12"
ATTRS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="8"
ATTRS{bNumConfigurations}=="1"
ATTRS{bDeviceProtocol}=="00"
ATTRS{bDeviceSubClass}=="00"
ATTRS{bDeviceClass}=="00"
ATTRS{bcdDevice}=="0100"
ATTRS{idProduct}=="a511"
ATTRS{idVendor}=="05a9"
ATTRS{bMaxPower}=="500mA"
ATTRS{bmAttributes}=="80"
ATTRS{bConfigurationValue}=="1"
ATTRS{bNumInterfaces}==" 1"

  looking at parent device '/devices/pci:00/:00:07.2/usb1':
KERNELS=="usb1"
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb"
DRIVERS=="usb"
ATTRS{configuration}==""
ATTRS{serial}==":00:07.2"
ATTRS{product}=="UHCI Host Controller"
ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Linux 2.6.17-2-686 uhci_hcd"
ATTRS{maxchild}=="2"
ATTRS{version}==" 1.10"
ATTRS{devnum}=="1"
ATTRS{speed}=="12"
ATTRS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="

Re: Udev. Problems with ordering hardware using /dev/video

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 19:21, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 00:45:54 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 19:47:51 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > My TV card was set as /dev/video0, and some time later the webcam was
> > > > set as /dev/video1. this works fine with the pre 2.6.17 kernels (no
> > > > Udev), and the TV card consistently is /dev/video0, and the webcam
> > > > /dev/video1. Booting with the 2.6.17 kernel is a different scenario.
> > > > Very hit and miss. Sometimes I boot up and starting Xawtv, I get the
> > > > TV /dev/video0. Othertimes I bootup and start Xawtv, and get my
> > > > webcam /dev/video1.
>
> [...]
>
> > Output below. Bear in mind that /dev/video0 should be the TV card,
> > /dev/video1 the webcam, at least that is how they are loaded with pre
> > Udev kernels.
>
> [...]
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)
>
> [...]
>
> >   looking at device '/class/video4linux/video0':
> > KERNEL=="video0"
> > SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux"
> > DRIVER==""
> > ATTR{exposure}=="0"
> > ATTR{hue}=="128"
> > ATTR{contrast}=="54"
> > ATTR{saturation}=="110"
> > ATTR{brightness}=="124"
> > ATTR{sensor}=="OV7620"
> > ATTR{bridge}=="OV511+"
> > ATTR{model}=="Generic Camera _no ID_"
> > ATTR{custom_id}=="0"
> > ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera"
> > ATTR{dev}=="81:0"
>
> [...]
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video1)
>
> [...]
>
> >   looking at device '/class/video4linux/video1':
> > KERNEL=="video1"
> > SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux"
> > DRIVER==""
> > ATTR{card}=="10"
> > ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__"
> > ATTR{dev}=="81:1"
>
> [...]
>
> > I saw that someone with network device problems, and Udev, was able to
> > specify the devices by name on 2 separate lines, so that Udev always
> > recognised them by name. I don't know if something similar is possible
> > with my situation with the TV card, and the webcam.
>
> For network cards see: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules.
>
> /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html describes in detail
> how udev rules work. Based on the output that you posted this should
> get you started:
>
> ### START ###
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
>   ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__", \
>   NAME="video0"
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
>   ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera", \
>   NAME="video1"
>
> ### END ###
>
> Put these rules into a file "local-tvwebcam.rules" in /etc/udev/ with
> ownership and permissions like the other *.rules files in this
> directory. Then create a symlink ("ln -s ...") in /etc/udev/rules.d/
> which points to your rules file. The names in rules.d determine the
> order in which the rules are tested. You might have to experiment a bit;
> I would try to start with something like 010_... .

Hi Florian. What you've suggested above seems to be working ok. I rebooted a 
couple of times with the 2.6.17 kernel and Lenny, and the video devices are 
being loaded in the correct order. So far so good. I think I'll have to boot 
up Lenny a few more times to see if this is now consistent regarding the 
video devices.
>
> My experience with network cards was that the NAME assignments sometimes
> did not work reliably if I tried to use them to swap two existing
> (kernel) names (i.e. eth0 and eth1). If you have similar problems then
> it is probably best to replace the two NAME assignments in the rules by
> two SYMLINK directives:
>
> ### START ###
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
>   ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__", \
>   SYMLINK+="mytvcard"
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
>   ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera", \
>   SYMLINK+="mywebcam"
>
> ### END ###
>
> This will give you /dev/mytvcard and /dev/mywebcam as symlinks which
> should always point to the correct /dev/video? device. Then you just
> have to reconfigure your applications once to use the device symlinks
> instead of the video? nodes.
>
> --
> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>   Florian   |

Thanks a bunch for your help. Perhaps the problem is now resolved. (Don't 
speak too soon though)

Nigel.


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Re: Issues with ethernet in testing/lenny

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 04 August 2007 08:14, percy tiglao wrote:
> Hello, I've recently purchased a Dell Inspiron 530 and wanted to get
> Debian onto it. I've installed Lenny mostly without any issues, but it
> did not autodetect my ethernet card. It is a 82562V-2 integrated card,
> at least according to the Windows Vista devise manager.

Hi Percy. As nobody has replied yet, I may as well throw in some stuff.

If Vista is correct the vendor/device id's for the card should be 8086 10c0. 
If you run lspci -v , is the card showing on the list?
>
> Anyway, I do have a very basic system up and running. No internet
> support or anything, so I can really only do stuff from the Windows
> side of my system right now. I'm not sure how I can get logs of what I
> do to my email from Debian so I'm sorry about the lack of the logs.
> I'll do my best to describe the error messages however.
>
> As I stated earlier, the installer did not detect the network card. I
> tried loading the "e1000" module inside the installation program which
> according to intel should be the module I need:
> http://downloadmirror.intel.com/9180/ENG/README.txt
>
> The installer wouldn't acccept it, it would just loop back to the
> "select module" screen. I tried to "modprobe e1000" manually during
> the installation, but that didn't work either. No error messages come
> up.

I've had problems with Debian detecting my Realtek 8139 card (8139too driver), 
and had to add to /etc/modules the line.
8139too

After that the networking worked ok (after a reboot that is)

It may be worth doing just that with the e1000 module.

When you modprobe the e1000 after booting up what does running lsmod show? You 
should see 2 modules to do with the network. These are mine for mii, and 
8139too. See below.

8139too23936  0
mii 4864  1 8139too
>
> After that, the rest of the system installed without any hassle, but
> obviously I cannot connect to the internet right now without any
> network card, so I don't have anything installed aside from whatever
> is on the base netinstall on Lenny.
>
> I've tried to "modprobe e1000" after the installation, and there seems
> to be no errors that happen. I use dmesg and aside from the loading
> message from e1000, no other messages pop up. I've also added "iface
> eth0 inet dhcp" into my /etc/network/interfaces file, and tried to do
> "ifup eth0", but that fails with the message: 'Device "eth0" does not
> exist'

I've never used dhcp, but always static addresses, as I have a bunch of 
distros that run on these 2 machines, and like to have the addresses always 
the same, but here is my /etc/network/interfaces for eth0.

# The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian 
installation
# (network, broadcast and gateway are optional)
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.7
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 network 192.168.0.0
 broadcast 192.168.0.255
 gateway 192.168.0.1(this points to the smoothwall firewall)
>
> Thank you for reading this message. I'd really like to get Debian up
> and running as soon as possible so please help. As an aside, all error
> messages and other logs are from memory + google. So they may not be
> 100% correct but they're the best I got right now.

I've done a bunch of Googling today about this card, and found some stuff for 
ubuntu using the 2.6.20 kernel, where the e1000 module isn't working 
correctly. Which kernel are you using? I only have a 2.6.17 one on both my 
Etch, and Lenny installs. The ubuntu bug link is below, preceded by my Google 
search line.

Linux driver for 82562V-2

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs

The bug is 5th from the bottom, see below.
121187E1000 driver for 82562V-2 (8086:10c0) device

I can't say much more at the moment, and have only CC'd you as you havn't had 
a reply since Saturday, and may not be viewing the list.

Perhaps someone more clued up than me may reply to my reply to your original 
post.

All the best.

Nigel.




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Re: libc6 with support for old kernels

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 07 August 2007 14:36, Ph. Marek wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
>
> I'd like to ask for some help.
>
> I have some machines running an old kernel (2.4.25, from Suse7.3). Now I'd
> like to get some newer software running on them, *without* re-installing
> the whole system.
> (That would be gnuplot, graphviz, subversion, fsvs, and some others).
>
>
> About a year ago I could take a debian-installation, take the needed
> files, and put them into a chroot on the old machines, and it worked.
> Without any problem.
>
> I wanted to do that again, with the current versions; but now I get an
> error message "Kernel too old" (from ld-linux.so AFAIK).
>
> [ I tried to use the sarge-packages; while the packages work on
> 2.4.25, they are really old versions, and unuseable. Eg. fsvs needs at
> least subversion 1.2, while sarge has only 1.1.4.
> backports.org has subversion 1.4.1 for sarge, but no libsvn0-dev. ]
>
> Is there an compiled libc6 that has support for older kernels, too, or
> some easy way to recompile it?
> I'd like to use the normal debian-packages, as they're updated
> regularly -- the best solution for me would be to pin libc6 to some
> version or repository, keeping support for the old 2.4, too.
>
>
> Help? Any other ideas?
> Thank you for all answers.
>
> [Please keep me CCed.]
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil

Etch (stable) still boots the 2.4.27 kernel ok, but Lenny (testing) after some 
updates a bit back, now gives me a "kernel to old" message.

anyway, looking at synaptic on Etch, Subversion is 1.4.2dfsg1-2, libsvn-dev is 
1.4.2dfsg1-2, and libc6  is 2.3.6.ds1-13.

I don't know if that's any help.

Nigel.

btw. All my Debian installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, started off as Woody 
3.0r2, and is why I still have the 2.4.27 kernel installed on all of them.


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Re: libc6 with support for old kernels

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 08 August 2007 17:27, Philipp Marek wrote:
> Hello Nigel,
>
> On Dienstag, 7. August 2007 Nigel Henry wrote:
> ...
>
> > Etch (stable) still boots the 2.4.27 kernel ok, but Lenny (testing) after
> > some updates a bit back, now gives me a "kernel to old" message.
> >
> > anyway, looking at synaptic on Etch, Subversion is 1.4.2dfsg1-2,
> > libsvn-dev is 1.4.2dfsg1-2, and libc6  is 2.3.6.ds1-13.
> >
> > I don't know if that's any help.
>
> thank you very much.
>
> I did a bootstrap of etch, copied that on the old machines, and it works!
>
> Just have to sort out which files/libraries are *really* needed, to strip
> down the amount of data.
>
> *Thank you!*
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil

Hi Phil. I'm glad that my Etch info may have helped you to resolve your 
problem.

All the best.

Nigel.


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Re: shutdown

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 12 August 2007 21:29, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:28:47 + (UTC)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Subject: Re: shutdown
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >  Hello.  I'm using Debian Etch.  My machine does not completely
> > > shutdown -- I'm required to manually press the button (it's like
> > > being back in
> >
> > Check /var/log/messages for anything mentioning ACPI.  The kernel may
> > have decided your mboard is too old and has disabled that to be safe.
> > You can try enabling it with a boot prompt "acpi=force", but note this
> > may have other side effects (enabling powersaving & etc).
>
> I found three mentions of acpi, those being:
>
> debian kernel: ACPI: Interpreter disabled.
> debian kernel: pnp: PnP ACPI: disabled
> debian kernel: PCI quirk: region 0800-083f claimed by PIIX4 ACPI
>
> Which file do I put this boot prompt "acpi=force" into?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> PS, Shutdown did work back when I was using Sarge.  Like people, I
> guess operating systems get more careful as they age.

I think it's more a kernel thingy, along with some hardware.

Anyway. when you get Grubs menu, select the kernel you want to boot, then 
press "a". Do one space, and add acpi=force to the kernel line, then press 
"b" , and the appended kernel will boot. If when you shutdown it all works 
ok, you can add acpi=force to your kernel lines in /boot/grub/grub.conf, 
doing this of course as root on the CLI with a text editor.

I've had problems with this with my Fedora core 5 install on one of my 
machines. The machine with the shutdown problem had no problems with booting 
from the kernel that came with the install discs, a 2.6.15 one, but kernels 
2.6.17, and onwards would not shutdown completely without using acpi=force. 
Someone else with different hardware had problems with Fedora core 6, and for 
him, appending the kernel with "lacpi" (without the double quotes) resolved 
the problem. And that is lacpi, not lapic, although lapic may work for you.

I havn't had any such problems with my Debian installs (Sarge, Etch, and 
Lenny), but did find this when I was trying to resolve the Fedora problem.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390547

btw: The other machine that has Fedora core 5 on it, has no such shutdown 
problems, which seems to indicate that this is a problem associated with only 
some hardware, and newer kernels.

Hope you can resolve the problem.

Nigel.




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Re: shutdown

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 14 August 2007 16:02, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:00:13 + (UTC)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I think it's more a kernel thingy, along with some hardware.
> >
> > Anyway. when you get Grubs menu, select the kernel you want to boot,
> > then press "a". Do one space, and add acpi=force to the kernel line,
> > then press "b" , and the appended kernel will boot. If when you
> > shutdown it all works ok, you can add acpi=force to your kernel lines
> > in /boot/grub/grub.conf, doing this of course as root on the CLI with
> > a text editor.
>
> Alas, it did not work.  The computer at my workplace, which also has
> Etch, does shutdown properly, though.  One difference between these
> computers was in the setup of them -- I installed the default desktop
> for the computer at work (which is also an older Pentium III), whereas I
> was more selective at home (not wishing to have all sorts of extraneous
> programs that I never use). I'm thinking there may be a package or two
> that did not get installed on my home computer that have made a
> difference. It's not that important, though, but, I appreciate all
> suggestions.
>
> Mark

Hi Mark. Sorry it didn't work. Did you try lacpi, and also lapic appended to 
the kernel line as well? Also the suggestions in that bug report link I 
provided.

The fact that your machine running Etch at work shuts down ok, but the one at 
home doesn't, is similar to my experience with Fedora core 5 which is on both 
of my machines. On the old Gateway P111 (katmai), FC5 shutsdown ok whichever 
kernel I boot with, but on the other machine, an Aiiifriend with 1.3Ghz 
celeron, FC5 shutsdown ok if I boot with the 2.6.15 kernel that was the one 
on the install disks, but if I boot with one of the later kernels, I have to 
append the kernel with acpi=force to get it to shutdown completely.

As I said also, someone else running FC6 on different hardware to me, found 
that appending the kernel line with lacpi worked for him.

All my Debian installs on the I-Friend machine that has the problem with FC5 
shutdown ok, although they all started off as Woody 3.0r2, and I have a bunch 
of older kernels on them. 2.4.27, 2.6.8, 2.6.11, and the latest on Etch, and 
Lenny is a 2.6.17 one. I'll have to try and get a later one for Etch, and 
Lenny, and see if I get shutdown problems. I say this because the point at 
which shutdown problems seem to start is somewhere between the 2.6.17, and 
the 2.6.18 kernel, and again, only on some hardware.

Do you have earlier kernels you could try (2.6.17, or earlier)? I don't think 
they are available anymore from the Etch repo, but it's worth a look. I only 
suggest this to perhaps verify that it is a kernel related problem, along 
with the hardware you have at home.

What does your dmesg output show regarding acpi? You should find the acpi 
stuff pretty near to the start of dmesg.

There are a big bunch of acpi related incantations you can append the kernel 
line with, but I can't remember them all off the top of my head.

That's all for now.

All the best.

Nigel.



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Re: french accents

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 18 August 2007 21:01, Phill Atwood wrote:
> This isn't debian specific, but I'm wondering if someone could point me
> to a good resource for understanding how-to enter french accents into,
> for example, emails.  I know that it is probably got something to do
> with locales and character sets, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to where
> to start.  My locale is english-canada I believe.  Any help is
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Phill

I'm from the UK, and am using my qwerty keyboards. I use KDE, and the canadian 
keyboard layout works well for the French accents.

To set up the canadian keyboard in KDE, go to:
Control centre->Regional & Accessability->Keyboard Layout.

Click on enable keyboard layouts, and select the ca one. Click on the add 
button, save,and it should be available on the panel. You can toggle between 
your normal keyboard, and the ca one.

The main accented keys are on the right of the keyboard. é is left of right 
shift. One row above, and lower left to the enter key are à. and è. next row 
up, and again left to the enter key you find ç. One key left and you have a 
dead key ^. press once on this , and then the vowel key, and you have ê pour 
instance.

sorry, but if you're using Gnome I've no idea how the keyboard layouts work.

Nigel.

Re: shutdown

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 14 August 2007 16:02, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:00:13 + (UTC)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I think it's more a kernel thingy, along with some hardware.
> >
> > Anyway. when you get Grubs menu, select the kernel you want to boot,
> > then press "a". Do one space, and add acpi=force to the kernel line,
> > then press "b" , and the appended kernel will boot. If when you
> > shutdown it all works ok, you can add acpi=force to your kernel lines
> > in /boot/grub/grub.conf, doing this of course as root on the CLI with
> > a text editor.
>
> Alas, it did not work.  The computer at my workplace, which also has
> Etch, does shutdown properly, though.  One difference between these
> computers was in the setup of them -- I installed the default desktop
> for the computer at work (which is also an older Pentium III), whereas I
> was more selective at home (not wishing to have all sorts of extraneous
> programs that I never use). I'm thinking there may be a package or two
> that did not get installed on my home computer that have made a
> difference. It's not that important, though, but, I appreciate all
> suggestions.
>
> Mark

Hi Mark. After my reply to your post on Wednesday, I did a bit of Googling, 
and turned up loads of acpi related stuff to append the kernel line with. 
Mainly this was from a bug report for Ubuntu on Launchpad, and for acpi 
related problems with the 2.6.15 kernel.

Some of the options to append the kernel with involve using more than one 
option.

Single options to append the kernel line with:
nolapic, lapic, noapic, acpi=power-off, acpi=off

Acpi=off fixed the problem for someone, as there appeared to be a conflict 
between apm, and acpi.

Dual options:
acpi=force lapic

Someone else found that the dual option:
noapic nolapic
Did not work, but:
noacpi nolacpi
Did work.

I'm afraid that all these options seem to be a bit trial and error. IIRC I 
also remember something about disabling acpi in the BIOS causing the CPU fan 
to be disabled. I think though, that is with laptops. Someone correct me if 
I'm wrong there.

When I had my shutdown problems on FC5, someone on the Fedora list suggested 
there could be a problem with SMP enabled kernels, and acpi. I'm about to ask 
on the list if you can disable SMP by appending the kernel line in GRUB with 
some incantation or other.

All the best.

Nigel.



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Can you disable SMP in the kernel by appending the kernel line in GRUB

[Nigel Henry]

I've been trying to help someone on the list with acpi related shutdown 
problems, with no success up to now.

When I had shutdown problems with FC5 (fixed with using acpi=force), someone 
on the Fedora list suggested that it could be a problem with SMP kernels.

I Googled a bit the other day, and found stuff about recompiling the kernel, 
and disabling SMP in it, but is there a way to disable SMP by appending the 
kernel line in GRUB?

I read one comment that said:
To disable SMP at bootup, use,
noreplace-smp

Is that an appendment to the kernel line or what? I don't want to suggest 
something stupid for Mark to try.

Any comments, suggestions welcome.

Nigel.


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Re: Can you disable SMP in the kernel by appending the kernel line in GRUB

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 20 August 2007 19:24, Jeff D wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I've been trying to help someone on the list with acpi related shutdown
> > problems, with no success up to now.
> >
> > When I had shutdown problems with FC5 (fixed with using acpi=force),
> > someone on the Fedora list suggested that it could be a problem with SMP
> > kernels.
> >
> > I Googled a bit the other day, and found stuff about recompiling the
> > kernel, and disabling SMP in it, but is there a way to disable SMP by
> > appending the kernel line in GRUB?
> >
> > I read one comment that said:
> > To disable SMP at bootup, use,
> > noreplace-smp
> >
> > Is that an appendment to the kernel line or what? I don't want to suggest
> > something stupid for Mark to try.
> >
> > Any comments, suggestions welcome.
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> Yes, you would want to append that to the kernel line in
> /boot/grub/menu.lst .  You may also want to try nosmp or maxcpus=0 , both
> of those will disable the smp code.

Thanks Jeff for the quick response. All suggestions written down on hard copy 
for future reference.

These acpi related shutdown problems are a real nightmare to resolve. Not 
everyone is affected. it just seems to happen on some hardware, and later 
kernels.

for example on one of my 2 machines, an old Gateway 500, P111 (katmai), Fc5 
shutsdown completely whichever kernel I've booted up with. On a later 
I-friend machine, FC5 will shutdown completely if I boot with the original 
2.6.15 kernel, but booting with revisions of the 2.6.17 kernel, and later, I 
have to add acpi=force to the kernel line to get it to shutdown completely. 

My Debian Etch, and Lenny installs on the I-friend machine are using a 2.6.17 
kernel, but may be an earlier revision than the FC5 one, and I don't have any 
shutdown problems with my Debian installs. I'll try and find later kernels 
for Etch, and Lenny to see if the shutdown problem shows up.

Mind you, saying this, a bug report for Ubuntu to Launchpad showed acpi 
related shutdown problems with 2.6.15 kernels. Many suggestions to append the 
kernel line with, some worked, others didn't. It's all a bit bizarre.

Thanks again for your help.

Nigel.


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Re: Problem accessing PS/2 mouse using input core

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 23 August 2007 13:13, Isidor Zeuner wrote:
> Dear mailing list subscribers,
>
> after upgrading from kernel 2.4.31 to 2.6.21 on a debian box I'm not
> able to use the PS/2 mouse (Logitech optical) anymore. On kernel
> 2.4.31 it worked fine using the character device driver. As this
> driver is not present anymore on Linux 2.6, I try to use the input
> device layer now, but it doesn't even find the mouse. There is no
> kernel message mentioning the mouse, and it doesn't show up in
> /dev/input (there are only devices created for keyboard and PC
> speaker, and the generic /dev/input/mice, which doesn't provide any
> data of course). Loading the psmouse module or compiling PS/2 mouse
> input core support into the kernel doesn't help. What else could I
> look into to solve the problem?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Isidor Zeuner

I remember this problem from ages ago, when I added a 2.6.8 kernel to my Sarge 
installs. When booting with the 2.6.8 kernel there was no mouse pointer. I 
had to modproble 2 modules, "mousedev" , and "psmouse" (without the double 
quotes). One of them got the mouse pointer to appear, but I couldn't move it, 
and loading the other module resolved the problem, and the mouse pointer 
could then be moved. It's worth a try, but your's may be a different problem.

If it does work, just add to /etc/modules on separate lines:
mousedev
psmouse

Nigel.


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Re: dpms setting does not work for vesa

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 23 August 2007 23:46, - Tong - wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:33:55 +, - Tong - wrote:
> >> My newly installed xorg doesn't support dpms any more:
> >>
> >>  $ xset dpms force off
> >>  server does not have extension for dpms option
> >>  xset:  unknown option force
> >
> > load/enable the following module,
> >
> > "extmod"# some commonly used server extensions (e.g. shape extension)
> >
> > I'm able to use 'xset dpms force off' again.
>
> But the problem is that none of the dpms setting is working:
>
>  xset dpms force standby
>  xset dpms force suspend
>  xset dpms force off
>
> None of the above command has any effect. I'm using the vesa driver. Is
> this a known issue?
>
> thanks

Hi Tong. I used to find that commenting out the dpms line with a # in the 
monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf worked, but it does not seem to work 
now.

I use KDE, so what I am using now is a one line script in ~/.kde/autostart.

Name the script whatever you want. I've logically named it "Disable-DPMS". 
Script is below.

#! /bin/bash

# A little script to disable DPMS at login

xset -dpms

This appears to work ok, and my monitor stays on all the time.

This is on Etch, and Lenny.

Nigel.


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Re: How to disable ipv6

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 26 August 2007 15:34, Alber wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Have the same problem on Debian Etch.
>
> What have been done:
> in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
> alias net-pf-10 ipv6 changed to
> alias net-pf-10 off
> alias ipv6 off (problem exist)
>
> on next stage:
> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
> blacklist ipv6 (problem exist)
>
> on next stage:
> adding alias net-pf-10 off
> alias ipv6 off
> to created /etc/modprobe.d/00local (problem exist)
>
> on next stage:
> adding blacklist ipv6 to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
>
> Result:
> I've get rid of boot delay but still have "ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling" on
> boot + "inet6 addr" on ifconfig.
>
> Please, help to disable this ipv6.

The same problem has been asked on the Fedora list today, and one of the 
replies was to make an entry in /etc/modprobe.conf as below:
install ipv6 /bin/true

I've sent stuff to /bin/true before, and it's worked ok, and the modules arn't 
loaded. I tried it on my Lenny install, and sure enough ipv6 is no longer 
seen in lsmod. Just to check it out, I commented out the line, rebooted, and 
checked lsmod a gain, and ipv6 is back.

I'm never too sure where to put these things in /etc/modprobe.d, but for sound 
card related stuff, TV card options, webcam options, I've put them 
in /etc/modprobe.d/sound. Thats where I put "install ipv6 /bin/true" , and it 
appears to work ok. If someone can suggest a better place, I'm listening.

For these sort of options/alias/install lines, it's a bit more straightforward 
on Fedora, as it all goes in /etc/modprobe.conf, but on the other 
hand /etc/modules on Debian, makes it really easy to add modules you want 
loaded at bootup. There's no such file with Fedora. It's a case of, you win 
some you lose some, depending on the distro you're using.

All the best.

Nigel.


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Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

I've had this problem for a while. When booting Debian Lenny, and perhaps Etch 
as well. When booting up I've had the following output trying to access 
224.0.0.251.

eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
NET: Registered protocol family 10
lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
eth0: no IPv6 routers present
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.22 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 
TTL=1 ID=0 DF OPT (9404) PROTO=2
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=257 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=237
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=257 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=237
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=257 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=237
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=239 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=219
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=136 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=116
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=136 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=116
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=136 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=116
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=225 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=205
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=195 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=175
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=225 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=205
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=200 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=180
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=91 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 
TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=71
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=225 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=205
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.22 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 
TTL=1 ID=0 DF OPT (9404) PROTO=2


According to RFC 3171 this block of addresses (224.0.0.x) is reserved for 
special purposes.

192.168.0.8 is the static address of my Lenny install, and 224.0.0.251 is the 
mystery address.

There are 2 daemons that are running and looking for a response at bootup. 
Ntpd is directed towards my other machine that is getting it's time from the 
Internet. That is across the LAN, not the Internet. That's not the problem.

The only thing accessing the Internet at boot up is freshclam, and that once 
the ethernet connection is up.

Any help, suggestions would be really welcome.

Nigel.






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Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 27 August 2007 03:52, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 10:42:51PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I've had this problem for a while. When booting Debian Lenny, and perhaps
> > Etch as well. When booting up I've had the following output trying to
> > access 224.0.0.251.
> >
> > eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
> > NET: Registered protocol family 10
> > lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
> > lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
> > ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
> > eth0: no IPv6 routers present
> > DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.22 LEN=40 TOS=0x00
> > PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=0 DF OPT (9404) PROTO=2
> > DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.8 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=257 TOS=0x00
> > PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=237
> >
> >
> > According to RFC 3171 this block of addresses (224.0.0.x) is reserved for
> > special purposes.
> >
> > 192.168.0.8 is the static address of my Lenny install, and 224.0.0.251 is
> > the mystery address.
> >
> > There are 2 daemons that are running and looking for a response at
> > bootup. Ntpd is directed towards my other machine that is getting it's
> > time from the Internet. That is across the LAN, not the Internet. That's
> > not the problem.
> >
> > The only thing accessing the Internet at boot up is freshclam, and that
> > once the ethernet connection is up.
>
> It looks like its happening as the ethernet connection comes up.  What
> happens if you ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 ?

I started tail -f /var/log/messages, then in another terminal did an ifdown, 
and ifup, and got the same string of messages pointing to the odd IP address.

Then Avi Rozen's message turned up. First line mentioned Zeroconf, which I've 
had a run in with before, when Gkrellm was displaying the wrong IP address 
for the machine. Someone on the list suggested purging it, which I did, and 
got the proper address showing again in Gkrellm. I didn't realise there were 
other things trying to use zeroconf. I stopped the avahi daemon, ran ifdown, 
ifup again, and bye bye messages. Last thing was disable the avahi daemon 
using sysv-rc-conf. Job done, apart from having to do the same on my Etch, 
and Sarge installs.
>
> Check in /etc/network/if-up.c and /etc/network/if-pre-up.d for anything
> that may try to run.
>
> On my system, shorewall starts immediatly after networking in
> /etc/rcS.d.  I don't know why you appear to be getting errors from a
> firewall unless your firewall script runs before networking comes up.

Networking is S 40, and Guarddog is S 65, which is 11 places further down the 
list.
>
> Since this is all happening in /etc/rcS.d, I'd suggest booting with
> init=/bin/sh and running the /etc/rcS.d scripts manually one at a time
> to try to track it down.  If you can get a shell while these errors are
> happening, perhaps you can see what processes are running.

I havn't tried that before. Is that going to be similar to the interactive 
boot up that you can do on Fedora?
>
> Doug.

Thanks, as always for your help Doug.

Nigel.


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Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 27 August 2007 10:53, Avi Rozen wrote:
> Looks like zeroconf traffic (avahi/mdns), maybe try:
>
> /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop
>
> and see what happens.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Avi.

Thanks for that Avi. As soon as your first line mentioned zeroconf, bells 
started to ring in my head. Zeroconf has caused me problems before, and I'd 
purged from the system.

I stopped the avahi daemon, followed by an ifdown, and ifup, and the messages 
have stopped. I then disabled it with sysv-rc-conf.

Thats one annoying problem resolved, that's been around for a while.

Many thanks.

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Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 03:53, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Monday 27 August 2007 03:52, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > > Since this is all happening in /etc/rcS.d, I'd suggest booting with
> > > init=/bin/sh and running the /etc/rcS.d scripts manually one at a time
> > > to try to track it down.  If you can get a shell while these errors are
> > > happening, perhaps you can see what processes are running.
> >
> > I havn't tried that before. Is that going to be similar to the
> > interactive boot up that you can do on Fedora?
>
> I've never used Fedora.  There's nothing interactive about it.  When you
> init=/bin/sh, you get sh running instead of init.  The only drive
> mounted is the / and its ro.  So you cd to /etc/rcS.d, do an ls and
> write down all the file names so you can tick them off as you run them.
>
> #less README
>
> read it..
>
> Then, one at a time, type e.g.:
> #./S01glibc.sh start
> #./S02hostname.sh start
>
> You're sort-of single-stepping the init process to track down a problem.
> Once you have, try to fix it and then shutdown.  Since init normally
> does this, I wouldn't want to try to bring the system all the way up in
> this manner.
>
> Doug.

Thanks for that Doug. I tried it out on my Etch install.

I've still got this avahi-daemon problem on the Etch install. it's a bit 
puzzling. I booted Etch up, opened synaptic to verify the zeroconf package 
was no longer installed, and that is so. Then opened sysv-rc-conf in a 
terminal, and see that I'd already disabled the avahi-daemon in all 
runlevels. tail -f /var/log/messages though is still showing  IP 192.168.0.7 
pointing to IP 224.0.0.251.

I then do an ifdown eth0, and an ifup eth0, and the messages are still there. 
next I do an /etc/init.d.avahi-daemon stop, and it confirms a stop.

Do an ifdown eth0, and an ifup eth0 again, and no more messages apart from the 
one line that confirms that eth0 is up.

It would appear that even though the daemon is disabled on all runlevels, 
something somewhere is starting it before I login.

Interestingly I opened synaptic to see if I could remove the avahi-daemon, and 
got a few dependencies that would also be removed, as below.
kde
kdenetwork
kdnssd
libnss-mdns

Now I don't want KDE to be removed, as that's my desktop.

Out of interest I shutdown Etch, bootup Lenny, and here, synaptic only want s 
to remove libnss-mdns as a dependency.

It looks like KDE has something to do with this problem.

How do I find out what is responsible for launching the avahi-daemon 
shellscript?

This is the last bit of dmesg on Etch, where for some reason I can't disable 
the avahi daemon, apart from running /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop , when I'm 
booted up.

 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
Netfilter messages via NETLINK v0.30.
ip_conntrack version 2.4 (8127 buckets, 65016 max) - 224 bytes per conntrack
eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
NET: Registered protocol family 10
lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver
lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
eth0: no IPv6 routers present
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.22 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 
TTL=1 ID=0 DF OPT (9404) PROTO=2
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=141 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=121
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=141 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=121
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=141 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=121
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=129 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=109
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=175 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=155
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=175 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=155
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=175 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=155
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=236 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=216
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=113 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=93
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=236 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=216
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=129 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=109
DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.7 DST=

Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 29 August 2007 03:27, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:50:14PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > Any comments, suggestions, and including "go and get a life", welcome.
> >
> > This is no big deal, but would be nice to resolve this problem.
>
> So its a script in /etc/network/ip-up.d?  That would be run by the
> networking stuff and you don't want to play with that.
>
> To disable the actual script, put an exit -1 in after the shebang before
> it actually does anything.  By using -1, something that calls the script
> should log an error somewhere that you can then trace.  Use exit 0 to
> just return 'success'.
>
> I wouldn't tell you to "go and get a life".  You've got a properly
> installed debian package that is spitting out unwanted net traffic.  To
> me that's a big deal and worth a talk with the maintainer.
>
> Doug.

A big Oops on my part.

I looked at the bootlog today, and just after "Entering runlevel 2" the script 
is run, as below.

Wed Aug 29 13:47:21 2007: INIT: Entering runlevel: 2
Wed Aug 29 13:47:21 2007: Starting system log daemon: syslogd.
Wed Aug 29 13:47:21 2007: Starting kernel log daemon: klogd.
Wed Aug 29 13:47:21 2007: Starting portmap daemon...Already running..
Wed Aug 29 13:47:21 2007: Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd.
Wed Aug 29 15:47:22 2007: Starting system message bus: dbus.
Wed Aug 29 15:47:23 2007: Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald.
Wed Aug 29 15:47:30 2007: Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon.
Wed Aug 29 15:47:30 2007: Starting DirMngr: dirmngr.
Wed Aug 29 15:47:31 2007: Starting internet superserver: inetd.

Ho hum. I now look in /etc/rc2.d thro rc5.d, and there are no links for the 
avahi-daemon. It appears that some time in the past, as a  newbie to Debian, 
I deleted the "S" links for the avahi-daemon, thinking that would prevent the 
script being run in /etc/init.d. It obviously didn't work, and appears that 
if a script is in /etc/init.d, and there are no links to it in the runlevel 
directories, the script is run anyway.

Next I re-create the links (twice). Ist time I do them as:
ln -s /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon /etc/rc2.d/K16avahi-daemon
The same for the other runlevels, but a reboot still has the messages showing 
the script is running. I see that the other links are ../init.d rather 
than /etc/init.d, so redo the links. Another reboot, and the messages are 
still there. The output of ps auxw shows as below after the reboot.

avahi 4480  0.0  0.1   2692  1380 ?Ss   17:30   0:00 avahi-daemon: 
running [debian.local]
avahi 4481  0.0  0.0   2556   468 ?Ss   17:30   0:00 avahi-daemon: 
chroot helper

If I stop the daemon with /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop, then restart it, ps 
auxw shows no entries for it.

I stop the avahi-daemon again, and go into sysv-rc-conf, and enable avahi for 
runlevels 2 thro 5. I check /etc/rc2.d, and now have "S84avahi-daemon". The 
daemon should be started now, but an ifdown eth0, then an ifup eth0, results 
in no messages pointing to IP 224.0.0.251.

It appears that the links I recreated from /etc/rcx.d pointing to ../init.d 
arn't working. I'm losing the plot a bit now.

Renaming avahi-daemon in /etc/init.d has fixed it, and it's no longer started, 
but isn't the answer.

Shutting down before rebooting with the renamed daemon, I saw flying by, 
something that appeared to say, referring to avahi, something about bad link, 
but I can't find it in dmesg. This may be referring to the recreated links 
I'd made in /etc/rcx.d.

Rooting around in /var/log, I find this in daemon.log:

Aug 28 20:47:33 debian ntpd[4692]: kernel time sync enabled 0001
Aug 28 21:30:34 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Interface eth0.IPv4 no longer 
relevant for mDNS.
Aug 28 21:30:34 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on 
interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.7.
Aug 28 21:30:34 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Withdrawing address record for 
192.168.0.7 on eth0.
Aug 28 21:31:09 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: New relevant interface eth0.IPv4 
for mDNS.
Aug 28 21:31:09 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Joining mDNS multicast group on 
interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.7.
Aug 28 21:31:09 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Registering new address record for 
192.168.0.7 on eth0.
Aug 28 21:31:11 debian ntpdate[29752]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
Aug 28 21:40:43 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Got SIGTERM, quitting.
Aug 28 21:40:43 debian avahi-daemon[4484]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on 
interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.7.
Aug 28 21:41:20 debian ntpd[4692]: sendto(192.168.0.230) (fd=21): Network is 
unreachable
Aug 28 21:41:34 debian ntpdate[3030]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
Aug 28 21:46:02 debian init: Switching to runlevel: 6
Aug 28 21:46:07 debian ntpd[4692]: ntpd exiting on signal 15
Aug 28 2

Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 29 August 2007 22:52, Sven Joachim wrote:
> Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Before closing this post, and I've still got tail -f /var/log/messages
> > running. I keep getting every 20 mins "debian -- MARK --" . What's that
> > all about?
>
> It's only the syslogd who tells you that it is alive and kickin', see
> syslogd(8).
>
> Sven

Thanks Sven. Much appreciated. One query resolved.

Nigel.


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Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 29 August 2007 23:19, Joey Hess wrote:
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > It obviously didn't work, and appears that
> > if a script is in /etc/init.d, and there are no links to it in the
> > runlevel directories, the script is run anyway.
>
> I think that avahi may be started by /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon,
> when a network interface is brought up. I'd suggest editing
> /etc/default/avahi-daemon.
>
> BTW, there's a persuasive argument that wanting to disable avahi/mDNS to
> improve your system's security is similar to wanting to disable DNS or
> DHCP to improve your systems's security.
> <http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/zeroconf-ubuntu>

Thanks Joey. I've changed it from 1 to 0 in /etc/default/avahi-daemon, and no 
more messages now. I've also looked at the link you gave. It's a bit late, 
and will look at it again tomorrow. 

My 2 machines are on a LAN which access the Internet through my Smoothwall 
firewall, via a serial modem. As far as I know I havn't been compromised, and 
being on dialup I'm obviously not running webservers, ftpservers, 
mailservers, etc, accessable to the Internet. if I was able to, they would be 
in a DMZ obviously.

I'm not being complacent about security. When anything a bit weird happens, 
I'm always a bit suspicious.

Thanks for your help.

Nigel.


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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 11 December 2006 14:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:38:37PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:04:13AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, after the mass upgrade yesterday, the system now boots
> > > without either a functioning X or a functioning net.  udev complains
> > > that it doesn't have a recent enough kernel, which may be part of the
> > > problem (no /dev/eth*, for example).  So the next step seems to be to
> > > find out how to tell my apt-sources file to look at an etch-install
> > > CDROM (will the netinstall CD suffice for this, or do I actually have
> > > to get the first CD of the 15-odd CD set?) as a package-source and then
> > > upgrade the kernel.
> >
> > why don't you boot sarge, chroot into etch and install a kernel from
> > inside the chroot? I think udev wants a kernel >= 2.6.15, IIRC.
>
> Actually, it turns out that aptitude *&had* managed to install the new
> kernel -- it just hadn't put it into the boot menu -- a probelm easily
> fixed from the sarge system.
>
> I now have an etch with networking, which I can use aptitude on, but
> whose X doesn't come up properly.  startx brings me to the black screen
> of death, xdm permits me to enter username and password, blanks the
> screen as if it is doing something, and then returns to its login
> screen.  gdm doesn't even get to login -- it just gives the black screen
> of death.
>
> I looks as if I will have to investigate another day -- my regular users
> are showing up.
>
> -- hendrik
>
> > A

Hi Hendrik. I had problems with X on Etch, but this was originally installed 
from Woody cdroms. Anyway, adding a couple of modules to /etc/modules fixed 
the problem for me. See below.

mousedev
psmouse

Worth a try.

Nigel.


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Re: LAN problem with Etch (Part 2)

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 11 December 2006 01:00, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Monday 11 December 2006 00:16, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> > Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > Sorry for my ignorance. I have the zeroconf package installed. what is
> > > the syntax needed to purge it?
> > >
> > > Nigel
> >
> > It should be
> >
> > apt-get --purge remove zeroconf
>
> Thanks to Marko, and Florian. Purging zeroconf has just reverted
> Gkrellmip's display to 192.168.0.8.
>
> I still have a problem with Konqueror, that can no longer access the
> Internet. Something to do with Konqueror not being able to access the
> gateway. Konsole is ok, and so are Opera, and Firefox. I've probably
> screwed up something when messing with KDE's control centres network
> connections/route.
>
> That can wait until tomorrow. Thanks for your help guys.
>
> Nigel.

Right. I've had the Konqueror no Internet access problem on the KDE list, but 
with no fixes up to now. I now find that if I use KDE's superuser 
filemanager, which requires root password, then change the file mamager to 
webbrowsing, I can now access the Internet. So it appears that Konqueror can 
now only access the Internet when su'ed to root. Very weird.

I now have no idea what has caused this problem. I hadn't booted up Etch for a 
while, and there were loads of updates, more than a 1000 outstanding (711MB), 
including a lot of KDE stuff. After the updates, (and I hadn't tried to 
access the Internet with Konqueror, so don't know know whether it was working 
after the updates or not) and getting the updates through apt-get on KDE's 
Konsole, I decided to add the Gkrellmip plugin to Gkrellm. Only after doing 
that did I become aware of the 169.254.187.86 address, which was now showing 
on Gkrellm. then as suggested I removed zeroconf, but only after seriously 
messing with ifconfig, and route before posting to the Debian list.

Desktop permissions for Konqueror, superuser filemanager, and Konsole, are 
showing my user name for user, and group.

Any suggestions on a fix.

Nigel.


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Re: Alsa needs reconfiguration after every reboot

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:12, Vladimir Kozlov wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I have absolutely the same problem, and I'm totally lost...
>
> The loaded modules before alsaconf:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep snd
> snd_intel8x0   30332  2
> snd_ac97_codec 83104  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_ac97_bus2400  1 snd_ac97_codec
> snd_pcm_oss38368  1
> snd_mixer_oss  15200  1 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm68644  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_seq_dummy   3844  0
> snd_seq_oss28768  0
> snd_seq_midi8192  0
> snd_rawmidi22560  1 snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq_midi_event  7008  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq45680  6
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
> snd_timer  20996  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
> snd_seq_device  7820  5
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
> snd47012  12
> snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,s
>nd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore   9248  2
> snd
> snd_page_alloc  9640  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
>
> and after alsaconf:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep snd
> snd_intel8x0   30332  1
> snd_ac97_codec 83104  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_ac97_bus2400  1 snd_ac97_codec
> snd_pcm_oss38368  0
> snd_mixer_oss  15200  1 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm68644  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_seq_dummy   3844  0
> snd_seq_oss28768  0
> snd_seq_midi8192  0
> snd_rawmidi22560  1 snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq_midi_event  7008  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq45680  6
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
> snd_timer  20996  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
> snd_seq_device  7820  5
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
> snd47012  12
> snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,s
>nd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore   9248  1
> snd
> snd_page_alloc  9640  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
>
> seems to be not so different...

What does cat /proc/asound/cards show before you run alsaconf? I've had 
problems with snd-usb-audio being detected as card0 when my usb-midi-keyboard 
is plugged in, which needs index options putting in /etc/modprobe.d/sound to 
fix the problem for the 2.6 kernel.  I think I've also seen problems 
mentioned where a modem sound chip is being picked up as a soundcard by Alsa, 
which it isn't, and being loaded first.

Just a thought.

Nigel.


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Re: [half-solved] Re: Alsa needs reconfiguration after every reboot

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've just found the reason (at least on my laptop): the problem is with
> esound package -
>
> rover:/home/rover# ps aux | grep esd
> rover 2655  0.0  0.4   2048   580 ?S18:39   0:00
> /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
>
> prevents alsa from working. After alsaconf there is no esd running, but
> after reboot it appears again.
> How to disable esd on bootup - I could not deistall the esound package
> because it suggests to deinstall a gnome-desktop-environment package, and
> deinstall of esound-common suggests to deinstall a lot of other packages,
> that I would like to preserve as well...
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Vladimir.

Esd should not be being started at bootup, as it's a Gnome thing, but will 
probably be started when you login to Gnome. I can't login to Gnome on Etch 
for some reason. It's probably annoyed that I use KDE. Anyway I booted up 
Sarge, and logged into Gnome, there under "Applications/Desktop 
Preferences/Sound" there is the option to start the sound server. You've 
perhaps looked at this already, but if not, and the box is checked, uncheck 
the darned thing.

Nigel.


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Re: [half-solved] Re: Alsa needs reconfiguration after every reboot

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 19:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 06:18:12PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 December 2006 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I've just found the reason (at least on my laptop): the problem is with
> > > esound package -
> > >
> > > rover:/home/rover# ps aux | grep esd
> > > rover 2655  0.0  0.4   2048   580 ?S18:39   0:00
> > > /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
> > >
> > > prevents alsa from working. After alsaconf there is no esd running, but
> > > after reboot it appears again.
> > > How to disable esd on bootup - I could not deistall the esound package
> > > because it suggests to deinstall a gnome-desktop-environment package,
> > > and deinstall of esound-common suggests to deinstall a lot of other
> > > packages, that I would like to preserve as well...
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Vladimir.
> >
> > Esd should not be being started at bootup, as it's a Gnome thing, but
> > will probably be started when you login to Gnome. I can't login to Gnome
> > on Etch for some reason.
>
> How strange.  I can't log in to anything other than Gnome.  icewm is
> installed,m is my default window manager, but I get Gnome.
>
> -- hendrik

I don't use Gnome. It may have been some update for Etch that's stopped 
logging into Gnome. As I use KDE, I'm using KDM as the desktop manager, but 
is a bit strange that I can't login to Gnome. I don't know about other window 
managers, as I've never tried them.

All my Debian installs were started from installing Woody 3.0r2. Two were 
upgraded to Sarge, which was still on testing at the time, and the third one 
when Sarge went stable stayed on testing, which is my current Etch install. 

It's probably worth asking on the list, as to why your having problems logging 
into icewm.

Nigel.


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Re: sound configuration on etch??? (usb)

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 15:50, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I have some trouble making my usb sound card work as I would like. My
> laptop also has a built-in sound card that works ok, but has _very_
> _limited_ input sound quality.
>
> What is the proper way to set up and configure sound/alsa on debian etch?
>
> According to the fine manual [1] there's a script to configure sound:
> sndconfig - configure sound system
>
> This seems to be gone in etch.
>
> There's also alsaconf, but that doesn't recognize my usb sound card (it
> just finds the built-in one of my laptop).
>
> The sound card basically works ok, ie. I can record and play via
> 'arecord' and 'aplay'. (The best strategy is to have the card plugged in
> at boot, to kill artsd once kde is up and then to reload alsa as root.)
>
> However I cannot make audacity work with the sound card. AFAIK, audacity
> would use /dev/dsp but though
>
> johannes2:~# cat /proc/asound/cards
>  0 [USB1648]: USB-Audio - PHASE 26 USB(16/48)
>   TerraTec PHASE 26 USB(16/48) at
> usb-:00:1d.1-2, full speed
>  1 [Modem  ]: ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem
>   Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem at 0x2400, irq 11
>
> the usb is 0, audacity only works when the usb sound card is not present
> and when the built-in card is 0. Well, the whole idea about the usb-card
> was to get better sound quality for audacity et al.
>
> Thanks for any help and/or links to get this work!
> Johannes
>
>
> [1] /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.pdf.gz

It might be worth asking on the alsa-user list. A while back with someone 
having problems with a sound card problem on a laptop, I suggested a USB one, 
but the reply was that USB ones need a bit of extra work to get them going. 
Either look on the archives or post to the list. I think the reply to get 
them working was something to do with dmix.

 https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
and to post to the list, but you have to register
  alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net

Hope you get it fixed.

Nigel.


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Re: LAN problem with Etch (and konqueror resolved)

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 11 December 2006 01:00, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Monday 11 December 2006 00:16, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> > Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > Sorry for my ignorance. I have the zeroconf package installed. what is
> > > the syntax needed to purge it?
> > >
> > > Nigel
> >
> > It should be
> >
> > apt-get --purge remove zeroconf
>
> Thanks to Marko, and Florian. Purging zeroconf has just reverted
> Gkrellmip's display to 192.168.0.8.
>
> I still have a problem with Konqueror, that can no longer access the
> Internet. Something to do with Konqueror not being able to access the
> gateway. Konsole is ok, and so are Opera, and Firefox. I've probably
> screwed up something when messing with KDE's control centres network
> connections/route.
>
> That can wait until tomorrow. Thanks for your help guys.
>
> Nigel.

I havn't seen any other posts on the list for this problem with Konqueror not 
being able to access the gateway, but this what I found.

After some recent Etch updates the boot up messages said 
that /etc/network/options was deprecated, and to read the README  for 
netbase, which is in /usr/share/doc/netbase/README.Debian. Did this, and 
added the following to /etc/sysctl.conf. See below.

This file is deprecated, and if present should be replaced by values
in /etc/sysctl.conf or equivalent custom scripts.
The relevant sysctl values are:

ip_forward=yes:   net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
spoofprotect=yes: net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter = 1
  net.ipv4.conf.all.rp_filter = 1
syncookies=yes:   net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1

So I did that, and renamed the options file in /etc/network/options.

I admit that trying to resolve the problem that turned out to be a zeroconfig 
one, I'd messed with network settings, but my original user was still able to 
access the Internet with Opera, and Firefox, and no problems getting updates 
via the CLI and apt-get, nor was there any problem using KDE's superuser 
filer manager in webbrowsing mode accessing the Internet. Only Konqueror 
could not access the net.

Someone on the KDE list suggested creating a new user, so I did that, and now 
Konqueror works ok.

thinking about this a bit, and skipping some trial and error stuff I comment 
out the new lines in /etc/sysctl.conf, and rename /etc/network/options 
to /etc/network/options. Now logged into the new user Konqueror cannot access 
the net. so I again rename /etc/network/options 
to /etc/network/options-deprecated, and uncomment the 4 lines 
in /etc/sysctl.conf. Now logging into the new user Konqueror again works ok 
in accessing the Internet.

Still no joy with Konqueror with the original user. 

As a last resort, and skipping some more stuff I tried, I rename .kde while 
logged out from the original user, then log back in to original user which 
creates a new .kde. Icons are all over the place, but Konqueror now accesses 
the Internet ok.

I don't really know what caused the Konqueror problem for the original user, 
but seems to have something to do with moving /etc/network/options entries 
to /etc/sysctl.conf. 

I havn't been on the Debian list long, but has anyone else seen anything like 
this?

Nigel.







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Re: Alsa needs reconfiguration after every reboot

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 21 December 2006 12:24, Bill wrote:


> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 02:21:05PM -0800, Bill wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I have alsa installed and working properly.
> > >
> > > I configure it with alsaconf.
> > >
> > > Everytime I reboot, I have to reconfigure it again with alsaconf.
> > >
> > > It's only a few keypresses but annoying.
> > >
> > > Is this a known issue?
> > >
> > > What can I do to stabilize the situation and make the config permanent?
>
> On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 16:53 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Alsaconf should be putting the module in /etc/modules. Is it there?
>
> Hi,
>
> No. Only a few modules are present:
> ide-cd
> ide-disk
> ide-generic
> psmouse
>
> At boot (alsaconf not yet run) lsmod reveals:
> snd_emu10k1   105764  1
> snd_rawmidi23232  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd_ac97_codec 84000  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd_ac97_bus2304  1 snd_ac97_codec
> snd_pcm_oss35456  1
> snd_mixer_oss  16640  1 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm72164  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_seq_device  7916  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
> snd_timer  22276  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
> snd_page_alloc  9800  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
> snd_util_mem4544  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd_hwdep   8900  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd50500  9
> snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,sn
>d_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep soundcore   9440  2 snd
>
> I confess I am not up to speed on the current methods of module
> management. As I understand it, modules are supposed to load on an as
> needed basis. Shouldn't alsaconf have added the appropriate modules
> to /etc/modules? Insmod and modprobe were more my speed but are
> deprecated these days with regard 2.6 kernels. What is current or better
> toolwise?
>
> It's no prob to add a line or six to /etc/modules.
> But which modules?
> Will snd_emu10k1 chain load all the others?
> Any others I need to add from the list above?
> Any other files I need to modify?
>
> I really appreciate the help
>
>  b.

As you havn't had any replies since I received your post at 12:24 I may as 
well poke my nose in.

Can you post a bit of info. Which Debian version, and kernel are you using? 
For the kernel type uname -r. Which desktop? I ask because I'm using KDE. 
Does typing as user, cat /proc/asound/cards show only one soundcard as card0? 
Which soundcard do you have?

Your lsmod after bootup, and before messing with alsaconf seems fine.

I've had various problems with sound since I started with Linux, and computers 
in 2003. Fedora Core, Debian, Slackware, and Gentoo have all presented their 
own problems with sound, but with a bit of perseverence, and help from 
different lists/forums these have all been fixed. 

When you bootup what does alsamixer show as user on the CLI (Konsole). Are any 
controls, like master, pcm, or front down at zero? If you are using KDE, 
KDE's Kmix has a habit of messing with alsamixers settings when KDE is logged 
into. Just for info, the fix for this is. Open Kmix/Settings/Configure K Mix, 
and uncheck the "Restore volumes on login" box. Ironically I've just looked 
at this on Etch, and the box is checked, and I have no problems, but have had 
problems with this on other distro's, so it's worth a look.

Unfortunately when you fix something, you don't always write down what fixed 
it, but try after booting up, and su'ed to root /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop, 
then, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start , then see if you can get any sounds. 
these commands just stop, and restart alsa

there is another command /etc/init.d/alsa unload , which removes the alsa 
modules, followed by /etc/init.d/alsa reload, which logically reloads them, 
but if you have other alsa modules listed in /etc/modules, the reload command 
will not reload them. You will have to do that manually, as I've just found 
out, and have had to modprobe snd-usb-audio for my usb midi keyboard 
manually.

The 2 alsactl commands that are usefull are.
alsactl store  (this is run when you shutdown, and stores alsamixers settings)
alsactl restore (this is run when you bootup, and restores alsamixers settings 
to the state that they were when you shutdown)

It's worth trying the "alsactl restore" command as root, after booting up, and 
before messing with alsaconf.

I'm a bit out of ideas at the moment, but have put my lsmod, and /etc/modules 
below. Bear in mind that the /etc/modules entries are for my setup, and 
depending on which kernel I'm booted up with, some of these entries are no 
longer necessary. The bootup messages will just show these as skipped, 
already loaded.

Lsmod.
snd_usb_audio  60224  0
snd_usb_lib11904  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_emu10k1_synth   6400  0
snd_emux_synth 31744  1 snd_emu10k1_synth
snd_seq_virmidi 6912  1 snd_emux_synth
snd_seq_midi_emul   6912  1 snd_emux_synth
snd_seq_oss291

Re: Audacity

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 21 December 2006 20:59, Eeltje wrote:
> If your soundcard works (I suppose it does...) then you should check a few
> things:
>
> 1) Does /dev/dsp exist? Sometimes you have to load extra modules (or so) in
> Alsa.

Yes. I believe audacity is an OSS app so you would need to install the 
alsa-oss package
>
> 2) Are you using KDE or Gnome? Then it could be that a sound server like
> aRts or eSound is running. In such a case Audacity can not use /dev/dsp.
> You should stop all sound servers before using Audacity.

this applies to most soundcards. On one of my machines I have an Audigy2 
soundblaster which is capable of multiple audio streams. I just tried 
audacity on Debian Etch on this machine while listening to TV with Xawtv, and 
Audacity plays back a .wav file with no problems. With other soundcards not 
capable of multiple audio streams you would need to disable, as in my case 
KDE's aRts sound server, otherwise aRts will grab /dev/dsp, and nothing else 
will work. I presume the same if you are using Gnome. You'd have to disable 
esd.
>
> It can also help to start Audacity in a console and see if you can see
> error messages that clarify what is going on.
>
> --
> Eeltje de Vries

Nigel.


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Re: Poweroff problem

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 22 December 2006 00:47, Torquil Macdonald Sørensen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When running 'poweroff' my system does not power off. The last line
> printed on the screen is "acpi_power_off called". My grub/menu.lst file
> has no kernel options related to acpi or apm. After having searched the
> net, I have also tried the following four different kernel option
> combinations:
>
> acpi=off apm=on
> acpi=off apm=real-mode-poweroff
> acpi=ht
> apic=ht
>
> but none of them makes the system power down. For the first two of
> these, the last line printed on the screen was "System halted". I think
> that was the case for the last two as well.
>
> It is interesting that the system managed to power off one time using no
> grub/menu.lst kernel options, after having tried one of the acpi/apm
> options above on a previous boot, and then pressed the reset button.
>
> Power off was working on this machine a a couple of years ago, also
> running Debian (maybe Sid), with an earlier 2.6 kernel.
>
> My motherboard is an ASUS A7S333, with the newest BIOS version
> (rev1006), and AMD Athlon XP2200+. The software is Debian Etch from
> today. Thus I have kernel version 2.6.18-3-k7. Both 'acpid' and 'apmd'
> are installed.

I don't if this link is any use, but I found it the other day while trying to 
fix another problem. I am not having this shutdown problem on Etch, but on an 
FC5 install, and only with some kernels.

It might be worth a look.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390547

Nigel.

questions for when Etch goes stable

[Nigel Henry]

I've presently got 2 Sarge installs on the stable repo, and Etch on the 
testing repo. I've seen more than one post saying that testing was frozen, 
but since then I've had more updates for Etch, and tonight another 50MB of 
updates.

I will probably keep my Etch install on testing when it goes stable, but 
forget what the new testing install is named. Doh.

One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will 
be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch

The other Sarge install I will rename in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. what 
will be the status of this Sarge install? Are there going to be any updates, 
bugfixes, security fixes, or is this Sarge install going to be a lost cause? 
I will probably keep this install on the Sarge repo, as folks from time to 
time who havn't upgraded, might have questions related to Sarge, and it's 
nice to be able to boot up an older version to check how it's setup, and 
perhaps provide some answers to questions.

Have a nice holiday.

Nigel.


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Re: /dev/dsp missing

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 03:46, Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> /dev/dsp is missing in my Debian Sid --I've used it one week ago with XMMS.
>
> I've tried a oss-compat reinstallation, and have /dev/dsp again.  But
> disappears with the system reboot.
>
> I've run alsaconf again.   ALSA works fine.
>
> Any idea? Thanks :)
>
> Installed packages:
>
> $ dpkg -l "*oss*" | grep ^i | awk '{print $2, $3}'
> oss-compat 0.0.4
>
> $ dpkg -l "*alsa*" | grep ^i | awk '{print $2, $3}'
> alsa-base 1.0.13-3
> alsa-firmware-loaders 1.0.13-1
> alsa-tools 1.0.13-1
> alsa-utils 1.0.13-1
> alsamixergui 0.9.0rc2-1-9
> libsdl1.2debian-alsa 1.2.11-7
>
> Kernel:
> $ uname -a
> Linux itaca 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> Regards,

It's worth checking if the alsa-oss package is available on synaptic, and 
installing it if so.

Strange that Xmms was working ok. Perhaps apt-get updates for Sid have removed 
the alsa-oss package for some reason.

Nigel.

Re: GUI and USB question

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 19:12, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > 1st question is, how do I start the GUI (KDE, Gnome, whatever) that I
> > assume is bundled with the distro?
>
> Sometimes, following the initial install, a user needs to log in, and then
> enter the command "startx" to get the gui going.  Afterward, gdm (gnome
> display manager) should just work on it's own. You may need to reconfigure
> the xserver, using
> "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root.
>
> Mark

Also. And this is going back some time, as I installed my Debian installs from 
Woody 3.0r2 cdroms, I seem to remember that late on in the install you are 
asked to make some choices about X, and the desktop. the first time I 
installed Debian, and I was very new to Linux, I skipped all this and found 
myself with the text login. Not knowing what to do, and having installed the 
packages for Gnome, and KDE, I copped out and reinstalled, and this time took 
the time to make the correct selections for the X, and desktop stuff.

Perhaps if you have installed Sarge, you could run base-config. I'ts no longer 
available on my Etch install, but might take you through initial config stuff 
on Sarge.

Nigel.



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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > Hello Marcelo.
> >
> > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > repository:
> > >
> > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > >
> > > Now the output from aptitude:
> >
> > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> >
> >
> > Regards, Mathias
>
> Mathias,
>
> I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
>
> are you running sarge?
>
> regards,
>
> Marcelo

Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I don't use 
aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a gstreamer-lame there, but it 
is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is the same version as all the other 
gstreamer stuff on the list.

Nigel.

Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 18:17, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > > Hello Marcelo.
> > >
> > > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > > repository:
> > > >
> > > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > > >
> > > > Now the output from aptitude:
> > >
> > > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards, Mathias
> >
> > Mathias,
> >
> > I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> > I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> > description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> >
> > are you running sarge?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Marcelo
>
> Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I don't
> use aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a gstreamer-lame there,
> but it is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is the same version as all the
> other gstreamer stuff on the list.
>
> Nigel.

Apologies for replying to myself, but further down synaptics list is 
gstreamer0.8-lame.

I know I'm not in Sarge at the moment, so can't check out if it's available 
there.  It may be worth checking that you have no typo 
in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo, and that the key is installed 
ok.

Nigel.

Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 21:13, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 18:30 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Sunday 31 December 2006 18:17, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > > > > Hello Marcelo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > > > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > > > > repository:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now the output from aptitude:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Mathias
> > > >
> > > > Mathias,
> > > >
> > > > I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now,
> > > > and I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose
> > > > name or description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> > > >
> > > > are you running sarge?
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Marcelo
> > >
> > > Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I
> > > don't use aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a
> > > gstreamer-lame there, but it is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is
> > > the same version as all the other gstreamer stuff on the list.
> > >
> > > Nigel.
> >
> > Apologies for replying to myself, but further down synaptics list is
> > gstreamer0.8-lame.
> >
> > I know I'm not in Sarge at the moment, so can't check out if it's
> > available there.  It may be worth checking that you have no typo
> > in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo, and that the key is
> > installed ok.
>
> Hello Nigel, thank you for reply. No, I have no typos
> in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo... I don't know about the
> key... by the way, does exist a list of all the software in Marillat
> repository?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marcelo

I've just emailed Christian Marillat to see if there is a list of available 
packages. I know for third party repo's for Fedora core, there is normally a 
list of available packages, and you can download individual packages with no 
problem. Of course there may be dependency issues that, if you downloaded the 
packages with apt-get, dependencies would be resolved by apt-get, but might 
find yourself in dependency hell otherwise.

Just wait and see if I get a reply from him.

Nigel.

Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 21:13, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:

> Hello Nigel, thank you for reply. No, I have no typos
> in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo... I don't know about the
> key... by the way, does exist a list of all the software in Marillat
> repository?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marcelo

Hi Marcelo. Christian Marillat replied with a URL for the unstable (sid) list, 
as below.
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages

You just need to change "unstable" in the URL to "sarge" for example.
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages

btw. It does appear that gstreamer-lame is not available for Sarge.

All the best.

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Re: No file /usr/include/gtk/gtk.h

[Nigel Henry]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 22:28, Gerard Robin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> which package should I install to get the file gtk.h in
> /usr/include/gtk/ ?
>
> tia

You need a development package for GTK. I'm in Debian based Kubuntu at the 
moment, but on synaptic you should find the package you need.  I have 
libgtk1.2, and libgtk2.0-0 installed, and have just had to install 
libgtk2.0-dev to install a source package.

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Re: spambayes mail filter

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 04 January 2007 21:24, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> Is any one using spabayes under Linux? The web
> page only talks about Windoz+Outlook-Express?
>
> -ishwar

Hi Ishwar. I'm not using spambayes, but am finding that bogofilter works well. 
I'm using it directly with downloaded mail to Kmail.

http://www.bogofilter.org

Mailing list info is at.

 http://www.bogofilter.org/mailman/listinfo/bogofilter



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Still getting loads of updates on Etch although frozen

[Nigel Henry]

I thought that Testing was frozen, but for days I have been getting loads of 
updates for my Etch install. See below for todays.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Thu Jan  4 22:48:56 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su
Password:
debian:/home/djmons# apt-get update
Get:1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://deb.opera.com testing Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release
Hit http://deb.opera.com testing Release
Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org testing Release.gpg [378B]
Ign http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://deb.opera.com testing/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing Release
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
Ign http://deb.opera.com testing/non-free Packages
Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://deb.opera.com testing/non-free Packages
Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
Fetched 3B in 4s (1B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
debian:/home/djmons# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  iputils-ping
The following packages will be upgraded:
  adduser gedit gedit-common gnome-media gnome-media-common gnome-menus
  gnome-panel gnome-panel-data hpijs initrd-tools iputils-arping kappfinder
  kate kcontrol kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-doc
  kdebase-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind khelpcenter kicker
  klipper kmenuedit konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kpager kpersonalizer
  ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd ktip kwin libeel2-2 libeel2-data
  libglade2-0 libglu1-xorg libgnome-media0 libgnome-menu2 libkonq4 libldap2
  libnautilus-burn3 libpanel-applet2-0 libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common
  libpango1.0-dev libqt3-compat-headers libqt3-headers libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev
  libsnmp-base libsnmp9 netkit-ping python-gmenu qt3-dev-tools snmp
  x-window-system x-window-system-core x11-common xlibmesa-dri xlibmesa-gl
  xlibmesa-gl-dev xlibs-data xlibs-static-dev xnest xorg xserver-xorg
  xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all xterm
77 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 59.6MB of archives.
After unpacking 5773kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

What I do not understand also is the "Diffindex" stuff added to the packages 
lines. I'm ssh'd into Etch from FC2, and there are also many numbered lines 
ending in .pdiff on the machine running Etch, which do not display on the 
machine running FC2.

I've just changed /etc/apt/sources.list entries from testing to Etch, and run 
apt-get update again, followed by apt-get dist-upgrade. I now have the same 
amount of packages to download, so it appears there are still a lot of 
updates for Etch even though testing is frozen.

What the hell though are these "Diffindex" things, and all the lines while 
running apt-get update that end in "pdiff". I havn't seen them in Sarge, and 
don't recall having seen them in Etch before a couple of weeks ago.

Etch is running ok. Slow to bootup for some reason (took 8mins the other day), 
but is otherwise working ok.

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Re: Still getting loads of updates on Etch although frozen

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 05 January 2007 01:08, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 00:50 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I've just changed /etc/apt/sources.list entries from testing to Etch, and
> > run apt-get update again, followed by apt-get dist-upgrade. I now have
> > the same amount of packages to download, so it appears there are still a
> > lot of updates for Etch even though testing is frozen.
>
> That's normal, bugs are still fixed in packages, this is what the freeze
> is for. These are the conditions for releasing a new version in Etch:
>
>   - fixes for release critical bugs (i.e., bugs of severity critical,
> grave, and serious) in all packages;
>
>   - changes for release goals, if they are not invasive;
>
>   - fixes for severity: important bugs in packages of priority: optional
> or extra, only when this can be done via unstable;
>
>   - translation updates and
>
>   - documentation fixes.
>
> Taken from the freeze announcement, good reading if you're interested in
> the procedure.
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg4.html
>
> > What the hell though are these "Diffindex" things, and all the lines
> > while running apt-get update that end in "pdiff". I havn't seen them in
> > Sarge, and don't recall having seen them in Etch before a couple of weeks
> > ago.
>
> See here for a good explanation,
> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/439

Thanks for the explanation Sven.

Nigel.


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Re: How to cool my cpu temperature?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 06 January 2007 18:53, Seth Goodman wrote:
> Mike McCarty wrote on Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:48 AM -0600:
> > The two most common causes of PS failure are spikes on the AC and
> > failing fans or otherwise obstructed air flow.
>
> Transients in the AC line causing damage to power supplies is a
> design issue for the supply.  We have known for years how to protect
> supplies from line transients and how to prevent transients from
> reaching the supply outputs.  While the energy in line transients
> and the power line impedance are statistical quantities, the root
> cause of this failure is inadequate design.  It is not normally
> related to production quality.
>
> Even on well-designed power supplies, the fan is far more likely to
> fail than any other component.  It is not difficult to have the
> supply gracefully shut down if the airflow stops for any reason,
> but this feature is often absent from consumer-grade PC power
> supplies.
>
> --
> Seth Goodman

I've recently suffered an abrupt shutdown, which I discovered was a seized-up 
fan (ran out of oil), and that was on an I-Friend machine, and certainly a 
lower end of the market machine. Thankfully the PSU had a thermal cutout, and 
a trip to the backyard, and a thorough de-dusting with the vacuum cleaner on 
blow, accompanied by a stripdown of the PSU, and a re-oiling of the fan fixed 
it. Btw. The fan said thank you, and has been turning for the last 4 months 
without complaint.

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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Mailing List Netiquette

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 11 January 2007 17:11, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 04:44:59PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > >> So on your question in general post to the list, don't CC unless
> > >> requested, send private messages when the contents are not beneficial
> > >> for public consumption.
> > >
> > > Second that!
> >
> > Another one:  Avoid going AOL! on the list.  If you must AOL! the list,
> > at least trim it down to just what you're AOLing.
>
> I totally agree!
>
> oh, I mean, yeah I know better. apologies.
>
> A

And I still dont know what "AOL" means. The link to the wiki crashed 
Konqueror.

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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Mailing List Netiquette

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 11 January 2007 19:33, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 07:27:43PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Thursday 11 January 2007 17:11, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 04:44:59PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > > >> So on your question in general post to the list, don't CC
> > > > >> unless requested, send private messages when the contents are not
> > > > >> beneficial for public consumption.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second that!
> > > >
> > > > Another one:  Avoid going AOL! on the list.  If you must AOL! the
> > > > list, at least trim it down to just what you're AOLing.
> > >
> > > I totally agree!
> > >
> > > oh, I mean, yeah I know better. apologies.
> > >
> > > A
> >
> > And I still dont know what "AOL" means. The link to the wiki crashed
> > Konqueror.
>
> its a reference to when AOL implemented newsgroups and the ng's were
> flooded with new AOL users who were clueless. one common behavior was
> lots of "me too" posts. So my first post "Second that!" was going AOL
> and my second was a joke about my own bad behavior.
>
> A

Thanks for the explanation.

Nigel.


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Re: Unblocking sound card, or adding stream (newbie)

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 07 September 2007 05:30, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> I have a laptop with a sound card that only supports a
> single stream. (People on #debian helped me figure
> this out.) This is annoying not because i want to play
> twelve different sypmhonies at once through high-def
> systems, but just so i can listen to music while
> getting beeps from Gaim, or whatever.
>
> If theres no way to do this, bummer i guess. But my
> problem is that sometimes i seem to have something
> blocking the sound card and i cant figure out what it
> is. I dont THINK im running any sound thing ,but then
> if i try to run xmms i get a "something's blocking
> your sound card" message, or if i play a YouTube video
> i just get no sound at all.
>
> When this happens, how do i find out what's blocking
> hte sound card, and how do i kill this so i can play
> what i want?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jen

I've had this problem with a soundcard on one of my 2 machines that isn't 
capable of dealing with multiple audio streams.

As an example I start Gaim, and at the same time am listening to Internet 
radio, which uses the realplayer plugin. The radio is ok, and I'm chatting 
away on Gaim, but getting no sounds from Gaim.

I now close Opera which is connected to the Internet radio, and all the sounds 
from my conversion on Gaim start to play. A bit weird. They have all been 
stacked up, and play one after the other.

The way around it for me, is to install the alsa-oss package, and start Opera 
as.
aoss opera

Now I can listen to Internet radio, and get the Gaim sounds, or play another 
music app at the same time as the radio is playing.

To see what is grabbing the soundcard you can run:
/usr/sbin/lsof -n | grep /dev/dsp

Other suspects are. On Gnome the ESD sound server, and on KDE the ArtS 
soundserver. I use KDE, and always disable the ArtS sound server on the 
machine that has the Ensoniq card (ens1371 driver) 

My other machine has an Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1), and is capable of 
handling multiple audio streams. I can play as many music apps as I want to 
at a time on this card. You may find one of these on E-bay, but make sure 
it's one that uses the emu10k1 driver.

Xmms works ok for me on both machines, but I tried to help someone resolve 
their Xmms problem on the French Debian list to no avail. I normally use 
MhWaveedit for playing my music, and that works fine on both machines, but 
can't say I'm too clued up on Xmms problems.

Just a few suggestions.

Nigel.


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My complaints to Murphy about sex spam on the list are being rejected

[Nigel Henry]

I've just complained twice about s-x spam that's turning up on the list, and 
neither of my posts are to be seen anywhere. Murphy seems to be moderating 
complaints from legitimate users of the list, but allowing "spa--ers" to do 
what they like.

I've had a few drinks, but am especially pi--ed off with p--is enlargement 
spam on this list. Come on guys. Get your sh-t together, and get rid of the 
"spa--ers".

And I'm going to keep on sending complaints, until something positive is done.

I like this list, but am not in any way interested in a pe-is enlargement. I'm 
59 years old, nothing works anymore, and the people that are posting this 
stuff to the list are the ultimate scum of the planet. Give me a shotgun, and 
I'll take them out.

Nigel. Seriously pished off.


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Sex spam again on the list

[Nigel Henry]

This has got more than a joke now. We are being bombarded with s-x spam yet 
again. I can't send it to Spamcop because it will identify the list as the 
sender.

Come on Murphy, get your act together, get the sawn-off out of it's case, and 
filter these spammers off the list. One way or the other I couldn't care less 
how you do it. If their, what passes for brains end up splaterred over the 
nearest wall is no big deal to me.

I've got bogofilter running on Kmail, but because of the high volume on the 
list, Debian-user is filtered before bogofilter has a go at the remaining 
stuff. Most of the pe-is size related stuff ends up in the trash, where it 
belongs, but I'm stuck with the spam that get's filtered into individual 
mailing boxes before bogofilter has a go at it.

Sorry if this sounds a bit sarcastic, but I'm feeling sarcastic at the moment, 
as I don't want this cr-p on my machine.

I don't have a shotgun, or hunting rifle, but I'd be game for an organised 
shoot if the spammers were the targets.

Nigel.


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Re: My complaints to Murphy about sex spam on the list are being rejected

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:57, Nigel Henry wrote:
> I've just complained twice about s-x spam that's turning up on the list,
> and neither of my posts are to be seen anywhere. Murphy seems to be
> moderating complaints from legitimate users of the list, but allowing
> "spa--ers" to do what they like.
>
> I've had a few drinks, but am especially pi--ed off with p--is enlargement
> spam on this list. Come on guys. Get your sh-t together, and get rid of the
> "spa--ers".
>
> And I'm going to keep on sending complaints, until something positive is
> done.
>
> I like this list, but am not in any way interested in a pe-is enlargement.
> I'm 59 years old, nothing works anymore, and the people that are posting
> this stuff to the list are the ultimate scum of the planet. Give me a
> shotgun, and I'll take them out.
>
> Nigel. Seriously pished off.

It's amazing that this has turned up on the list, and I've had to edit many 
words even to send it, and yet my complaints to Murphy about the sex spam 
that's plaguing the list still havn't arrived.

While I'm writing this another sex spam has arrived in my Debian-user mailbox.

A serious question.  How can the spa--ers post to the list, using any words 
they like, and yet when I complain to the list using the same words they do, 
I am blocked from posting???

Nigel.


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Re: Sex spam again on the list

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:25, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 09:15:32PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > This has got more than a joke now. We are being bombarded with s-x spam
> > yet again.
>
> ...
>
> > Sorry if this sounds a bit sarcastic, but I'm feeling sarcastic at the
> > moment, as I don't want this cr-p on my machine.
>
> I know this doesn't really help you, but I've seen a *massive*
> increase in spam hitting my one server in the last couple of
> days. Previously I was seeing something like 50 spam a day hitting me
> (this is after clamav kicks out the virus laden ones, so its not an
> absolute number). In the last couple of days, I've seen that number
> pretty much quadruple to around 200 per day. My false negatives have
> gone up correspondingly as well from a couple getting through
> spamassassin per day to something like 30-50 getting past s-a.
> Interestingly the subjects I'm seeing come through d-u are exactly the
> same as the ones getting through my local s-a, so some spammer has hit
> on a formula that is working at the moment. Apparently, this girl is
> having quite a problem make her extra-curricular activities work in a
> satisfactory manner... ;-O
>
> Not only has the overall number gone up, but the effectiveness has
> gone up by an order of magnitude.
>
> I wonder if this is a side-effect of the mis-named Storm Worm activity
> that's going on right now.
>
> > I don't have a shotgun, or hunting rifle, but I'd be game for an
> > organised shoot if the spammers were the targets.
>
> I need targets to practice my joint-locks and choke-holds on... ;)
>
> A

I was thinking of the Roman arena, but I think that would be too easy. 
Christians versus the lions are a a bit different to spammers versus the 
shotguns.

I think something more in line with a film I saw. The hunted (spammers) were 
given a few minutes getaway time, then the hunters (us with the shotguns) 
gave pursuit. I'm not sure how it ended up in the film, but would like to 
think that the spammers would lose out in this scenario.

I used to belong to the Jersey pistol club in Jersey, Channel Islands. .22, 
and centre fire. We used to shoot at silouettes with the centre fire stuff. I 
had a Smith&Wesson 38special, and also a Ruger single action 357magnum. This 
was along with some other bits of iron. A 9mm luger with a 6"barrel, and a 
Walther PPK (the James Bond one). A friend had access to a German Schmeizer 
machine gun, and we took this out the .303 rifle range. This thing was 
amazing, absolutely no recoil. I didn't fire it on auto, just a couple of 
songle shots. My friend also had a broom handled Mauser. A strange looking 
weapon, but also came with a shoulder stock, that changed it entirely.

This was back in the late 60's. These weapons were available. The Germans had 
occupied the Channel Islands, and this stuff was left behind.

Meanwhile back to the spammers. I don't know if I could take one of them out 
if they were in my sights. I'd like to, but what you'd like to do, and what 
you actually do are two different things.

I'm certainly T'd off as to what they are doing to the Internet though.

Nigel.


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Re: Sex spam again on the list

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 09 September 2007 22:41, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Sunday 09 September 2007, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:25, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 09:15:32PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > > This has got more than a joke now. We are being bombarded with
> > > > s-x spam yet again.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > Sorry if this sounds a bit sarcastic, but I'm feeling sarcastic
> > > > at the moment, as I don't want this cr-p on my machine.
> > >
> > > I know this doesn't really help you, but I've seen a *massive*
> > > increase in spam hitting my one server in the last couple of
> > > days. Previously I was seeing something like 50 spam a day hitting
> > > me (this is after clamav kicks out the virus laden ones, so its not
> > > an absolute number). In the last couple of days, I've seen that
> > > number pretty much quadruple to around 200 per day. My false
> > > negatives have gone up correspondingly as well from a couple
> > > getting through spamassassin per day to something like 30-50
> > > getting past s-a. Interestingly the subjects I'm seeing come
> > > through d-u are exactly the same as the ones getting through my
> > > local s-a, so some spammer has hit on a formula that is working at
> > > the moment. Apparently, this girl is having quite a problem make
> > > her extra-curricular activities work in a satisfactory manner...
> > > ;-O
> > >
> > > Not only has the overall number gone up, but the effectiveness has
> > > gone up by an order of magnitude.
> > >
> > > I wonder if this is a side-effect of the mis-named Storm Worm
> > > activity that's going on right now.
> > >
> > > > I don't have a shotgun, or hunting rifle, but I'd be game for an
> > > > organised shoot if the spammers were the targets.
> > >
> > > I need targets to practice my joint-locks and choke-holds on... ;)
> > >
> > > A
> >
> > I was thinking of the Roman arena, but I think that would be too
> > easy. Christians versus the lions are a a bit different to spammers
> > versus the shotguns.
> >
> > I think something more in line with a film I saw. The hunted
> > (spammers) were given a few minutes getaway time, then the hunters
> > (us with the shotguns) gave pursuit. I'm not sure how it ended up in
> > the film, but would like to think that the spammers would lose out in
> > this scenario.
>
> Either "The Most Dangerous Game" or "Running Man."  Or it's possible you
> remember the same storyline as an episode of "Get Smart."  Either way,
> in all three, the hunters end up dead when the hunted turned the tables
> on them.  Maybe a T1000 as the spammers and us as the good ol' T101, an
> advanced killing machine with an Austrian accent, would be a better
> metaphor?

You've got me in hysterics here referencing Get Smart. I love that series.

I havn't seen any reruns lately though.


> "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
>   --Isaac Asimov
>
>
> Hal

Nigel.


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Does lilo still have a limit on it's menu entries?

[Nigel Henry]

All my Debian installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, originally started off as 
Woody 3.0r2, and LiLo was, and still is the bootloader. I installed on Etch 
yesterday the 2.6.18-5 kernel, which shows up in /boot ok, but running lilo 
doesn't add it to lilo's menu.

I read a while back that earlier versions of lilo could only have 6 entries on 
the menu. My lilo version is 1:22.6.1-9.3.

The original kernel when I installed Woody 3.0r2 was a bf one. It is still 
listed in /boot, and on lilo's menu. but is nowhere to be seen in synaptic, 
and no longer will boot with Etch. On the face of it, I can't see how to 
remove this original boot floppy kernel.

Can I just delete all references to the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel in /boot? Then run 
lilo again. It seems a bit of a hack, but I can't see any way around it as 
synaptic doesn't even list the bf kernel, and you can't uninstall something 
that's not on the list.

/etc/lilo.conf is below. There are 2 entries for the bf kernel, making 7 
entries in total, but I'm presuming that as both bf entries are pointing to 
the same kernel, lilo is reasoning that only 6 kernel entries are listed on 
the menu, but I may well be wrong in my reasoning.

# /etc/lilo.conf - See: `lilo(8)' and `lilo.conf(5)',
# ---   `install-mbr(8)', `/usr/share/doc/lilo/',
#   and `/usr/share/doc/mbr/'.

# +---+
# |!! Reminder !! |
# |   |
# | Don't forget to run `lilo' after you make changes to this |
# | conffile, `/boot/bootmess.txt', or install a new kernel.  The |
# | computer will most likely fail to boot if a kernel-image  |
# | post-install script or you don't remember to run `lilo'.  |
# |   |
# +---+

# Support LBA for large hard disks.
#
lba32

# Overrides the default mapping between harddisk names and the BIOS'
# harddisk order. Use with caution.
#disk=/dev/hde
#bios=0x81

#disk=/dev/sda
#bios=0x80

# Specifies the boot device.  This is where Lilo installs its boot
# block.  It can be either a partition, or the raw device, in which
# case it installs in the MBR, and will overwrite the current MBR.
#
boot=/dev/hda5

# Specifies the device that should be mounted as root. (`/')
#
root=/dev/hda5

# Enable map compaction:
# Tries to merge read requests for adjacent sectors into a single
# read request. This drastically reduces load time and keeps the
# map smaller.  Using `compact' is especially recommended when
# booting from a floppy disk.  It is disabled here by default
# because it doesn't always work.
#
# compact

# Installs the specified file as the new boot sector
# You have the choice between: bmp, compat, menu and text
# Look in /boot/ and in lilo.conf(5) manpage for details
#
install=/boot/boot-menu.b

# Specifies the location of the map file
#
map=/boot/map

# You can set a password here, and uncomment the `restricted' lines
# in the image definitions below to make it so that a password must
# be typed to boot anything but a default configuration.  If a
# command line is given, other than one specified by an `append'
# statement in `lilo.conf', the password will be required, but a
# standard default boot will not require one.
#
# This will, for instance, prevent anyone with access to the
# console from booting with something like `Linux init=/bin/sh',
# and thus becoming `root' without proper authorization.
#
# Note that if you really need this type of security, you will
# likely also want to use `install-mbr' to reconfigure the MBR
# program, as well as set up your BIOS to disallow booting from
# removable disk or CD-ROM, then put a password on getting into the
# BIOS configuration as well.  Please RTFM `install-mbr(8)'.
#
# password=tatercounter2000

# Specifies the number of deciseconds (0.1 seconds) LILO should
# wait before booting the first image.
#
delay=20

# You can put a customized boot message up if you like.  If you use
# `prompt', and this computer may need to reboot unattended, you
# must specify a `timeout', or it will sit there forever waiting
# for a keypress.  `single-key' goes with the `alias' lines in the
# `image' configurations below.  eg: You can press `1' to boot
# `Linux', `2' to boot `LinuxOLD', if you uncomment the `alias'.
#
# message=/boot/bootmess.txt
prompt
timeout=150
# prompt
# single-key
# delay=100
# timeout=100

# Specifies the VGA text mode at boot time. (normal, extended, ask, )
#
# vga=ask
# vga=9
#
vga=normal

# Kernel command line options that apply to all installed images go
# here.  See: The `boot-prompt-HOWO' and `kernel-parameters.txt' in
# the Linux kernel `Documentation' directory.
#
# append=""

# Boot up Linux by default.
#
default=Linux

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4
 label=Linux
 read-only
# rest

Re: Does lilo still have a limit on it's menu entries?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 29 September 2007 01:54, C. G. Montgomery wrote:
> In linux.debian.user Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I read a while back that earlier versions of lilo could only have 6
> > entries on the menu. My lilo version is 1:22.6.1-9.3.
>
> I think it may not be a limit on the number of lilo entries.  Not long
> ago, an upgrade to 2.6.21-2-k7 was done on a machine of mine.  This put
> the initrd.img, System.map, and vmlinuz files into /boot but didn't
> change lilo.conf.  In fact I decided to stay with the kernel I had been
> using, so it's just waiting there.  I don't know whether grub is handled
> differently.

I had the same when I installed the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel. The files were 
in /boot, but /etc/lilo.conf hadn't been updated, therefore running lilo did 
nothing. I commented out the stanzas for the bf2 kernel, and added the 
stanzas for the new 2.6.18-5 one, ran lilo, and now it's on lilo's menu.

The reason I asked about the 6 menu items limit was because I seem to remember 
that during the adding of new kernels previously, that apt-get would prompt 
you for lilo, mentioning something about the boot block, and if you wanted to 
run lilo, and install it in the MBR. Now my lilo's arn't in the MBR, but in 
the / partition for my 2 Debian installs on this drive. Grub for FC2 is in 
the MBR, as it is the 1st Linux install on the drive. Not wishing Grub to be 
replaced, I said no to the apt-get yes/no request, and ran lilo after the 
install had completed. Now that I've effectively removed the references to 
the bf2 kernel I may remove this latest kernel, and try reinstalling it, just 
to see if I get this prompt for lilo with apt-get.

Regarding Grub. At least on Fedora it works fine, and all kernel updates are 
added to it's menu. You can add as many kernels as you like. I suspect after 
a while you get a scroll bar to look through them. Saying that though, with 
fedora I also use Apt, but if you use Yum, which is the default package 
manager on Fedora, it only keeps 2 kernels as default, but you can change 
that behaviour so that all kernels are saved. Personally I think it's best 
that all kernels are saved, then you can decide which ones are no longer 
required.
>
> > The original kernel when I installed Woody 3.0r2 was a bf one. It is
> > still listed in /boot, and on lilo's menu. but is nowhere to be seen in
> > synaptic, and no longer will boot with Etch. On the face of it, I can't
> > see how to remove this original boot floppy kernel.
> >
> > Can I just delete all references to the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel in /boot?
> > Then run lilo again. It seems a bit of a hack, but I can't see any way
> > around it as synaptic doesn't even list the bf kernel, and you can't
> > uninstall something that's not on the list.
>
> Yes, I've done just that to get rid of old kernels.  Just edit lilo.conf
> to include only the stanzas you want and run lilo.

As I mention above I commented out the stanzas for the bf2 in /etc/lilo.conf, 
and renamed the bf2 files in /boot. I'll clean that up later on as everything 
appears to be working ok now.
>
> hth   cgm

Thanks for your reply.

Nigel.


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Re: Does lilo still have a limit on it's menu entries?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 29 September 2007 05:04, Mumia W.. wrote:
> On 09/28/2007 03:18 PM, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > All my Debian installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, originally started off as
> > Woody 3.0r2, and LiLo was, and still is the bootloader. I installed on
> > Etch yesterday the 2.6.18-5 kernel, which shows up in /boot ok, but
> > running lilo doesn't add it to lilo's menu.
> >
> > I read a while back that earlier versions of lilo could only have 6
> > entries on the menu. My lilo version is 1:22.6.1-9.3.
> >
> > The original kernel when I installed Woody 3.0r2 was a bf one. It is
> > still listed in /boot, and on lilo's menu. but is nowhere to be seen in
> > synaptic, and no longer will boot with Etch. On the face of it, I can't
> > see how to remove this original boot floppy kernel.
> >
> > Can I just delete all references to the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel in /boot?
> > Then run lilo again. It seems a bit of a hack, but I can't see any way
> > around it as synaptic doesn't even list the bf kernel, and you can't
> > uninstall something that's not on the list.
> >
> > /etc/lilo.conf is below. [...]
>
> I have very little experience with Lilo under Debian, though I used it
> under Slackware.

I first encountered lilo on Mandrake 9.2, and must admit that I had terrible 
problems with both LiLo, and Grub when I first started off with Linux, and 
setting up dual, and triple boot installs. I've sort of got them under 
control now, but it wasn't much fun at the time. Now the bootloader for the 
first install goes in the MBR, and the bootloaders for the subsequent 
installs go in their respective / partitions. Then I boot up the first 
install and add chainloaders pointing to the / partitions of the other 
distros on the drive.
>
> I don't know about the six item limit, but I suggest you manually delete
> the references to the bf kernels, but read "man liloconfig" and "man
> update-lilo" first. If the bf kernels do not appear in /boot,
> update-lilo may remove them from /etc/lilo.conf automatically.

I've temporarily renamed the bf2 files in /boot, and commented out the stanzas 
for the bf2 kernel in /etc/lilo.conf, but am going to remove them completely 
as they are no longer useable on Etch.
>
> I also suggest that you remove, possibly using synaptic, any kernels
> that don't boot the system up properly.

I usually keep all kernels. Alright the ones that don't boot properly can go, 
but sometimes older, non udev ones, are usefull to keep if you are appearing 
to have problems with the udev ones. I constantly get problems with udev 
kernels and my TVcard /dev/video0, and the webcam /dev/video1. Very hit and 
miss as to which app gets which video device.

Someone on the list gave me some rules for udev, but they don't appear to be 
working. I'll have to start a new thread on that one.

Thanks for the reply.

Nigel.


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Re: Does lilo still have a limit on it's menu entries?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 29 September 2007 19:43, Mumia W.. wrote:
> On 09/29/2007 12:23 PM, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I usually keep all kernels. Alright the ones that don't boot properly can
> > go, but sometimes older, non udev ones, are usefull to keep if you are
> > appearing to have problems with the udev ones. I constantly get problems
> > with udev kernels and my TVcard /dev/video0, and the webcam /dev/video1.
> > Very hit and miss as to which app gets which video device.
> >
> > Someone on the list gave me some rules for udev, but they don't appear to
> > be working. I'll have to start a new thread on that one.
> >
> > Thanks for the reply.
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> To resolve the problems between udev and your tv-card, you might
> consider blacklisting the respective modules and loading the modules in
> a specified order by placing their names in /etc/modules.

Yes. That's an idea. Non udev kernels (2.6.8, and 2.6.11) that use devfs have 
no problems. The TV PCI card is constantly /dev/video0, and the USB webcam 
is /dev/video1. As soon as Udev enters the equation it's anybodies guess, 
what will be what. At the moment on Fedora 7, where I have the same problem, 
I have 2 desktop launchers for Xawtv. One pointing to /dev/video0, and the 
other to /dev/video1. If one doesn't work, I try the other. It is a bit of a 
joke to have to do this though.

Having had problems with USB stuff before, where the USB is started early in 
the boot process I think I might try blacklisting just the ov511 driver for 
the USB webcam, and then add it, with it's options to /etc/modules. If that 
doesn't work, I'll leave it blacklisted, and put it in rc.local, which is run 
last, and give that a try.

I'll post back on the results.
>
> To solve another kind of udev problem on my system, I created an
> alternate device nodes directory called /devs2, and I placed my nodes
> there.

Thanks for your help.

Nigel.


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Re: Help Please

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 30 September 2007 15:27, ankit . wrote:
> Sir
>
> Please help me to install intex RTL 8139d nic on debian 4.0. Debain is
> unable to detect the nic on it's own. What should I do to install the nic.
>
> The technical specification of the nic I am using:
>
> http://www.intextechnologies.com/computerperi1.aspx?cat=Computer%20Peripher
>als&sub=Ethernet%20Card\Switch&pro=Card%2010/%20100%20Mbps
>
> Thanking You
>
> Ankit

My 8139 card may be a bit earlier that yours, but I found that I had to load 
the 8139too module to get the card to work. try as root.
modprobe 8139too

If it works you can add it to /etc/modules on one line as below, and it will 
be loaded when you boot up.
8139too


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Trying to find a realtime patched kernel for Etch

[Nigel Henry]

I realise there are no realtime patched kernels on the main debian repo's, and 
have been googling a bit, and found this.

http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/lowlat.html

It says to add the line below to /etc/apt/sources.list, but after running 
apt-get update, and opening synaptic, I can't find a source pkg for the 
2.6.21 kernel.

deb http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main

The only 2.6.21 kernel there appears to be a realtime patched one, but is a k7 
one. As my machine uses a 1.3GHz celeron, I don't suppose this is going to 
work, is it?
linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7rt8

Anyone any suggestions to get realtime working, if the above kernel is a no 
goer?

The problem I have is that when starting jackd there are loads of xruns 
showing in it's messages, and when playing a music app, horgand for example, 
I am getting static like noise every so often when playing notes.

Any help/suggestions appreciated.

Nigel.


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Re: Trying to find a realtime patched kernel for Etch

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 30 September 2007 19:16, across.the.universe wrote:
> hi,
>
> you might want to try http://www.64studio.com - this is what i am using.
>
> across.the.universe

Ideally I was looking to resolve the problem on my Etch, and Lenny installs. 
Someone I know on the LAU list has just mentioned 64studio. Annoyingly the 
full install is only available on dvd for i386, and I can't burn dvd's. I'll 
have to try the live cd version.

It would be nice to fix realtime on Etch, and Lenny though, and it looks like 
I'll have to get my hands dirty, and attempt to compile a kernel using the 
realtime patches.

Nigel.



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Re: Trying to find a realtime patched kernel for Etch

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 30 September 2007 21:39, David Baron wrote:
> On Sunday 30 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
> >  realise there are no realtime patched kernels on the main debian repo's,
> > and have been googling a bit, and found this.
> >
> > http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/lowlat.html
> >
> > It says to add the line below to /etc/apt/sources.list, but after running
> > apt-get update, and opening synaptic, I can't find a source pkg for the
> > 2.6.21 kernel.
> >
> > deb http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
> >
> > The only 2.6.21 kernel there appears to be a realtime patched one, but is
> > a k7 one. As my machine uses a 1.3GHz celeron, I don't suppose this is
> > going to work, is it?
> > linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7rt8
> >
> > Anyone any suggestions to get realtime working, if the above kernel is a
> > no goer?
> >
> > The problem I have is that when starting jackd there are loads of xruns
> > showing in it's messages, and when playing a music app, horgand for
> > example, I am getting static like noise every so often when playing
> > notes.
> >
> > Any help/suggestions appreciated.
>
> Add this to /etc/apt/sources.list:
> deb ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/deb/ ./
>
> After apt-get update, you will see various 2.6.21 rt patched kernels,
> modules and sources (as well as most recent Ardour and Rosegarden to use
> them.
>
> This repository is slow mollasis, however.

Thanks for that David. Slow is no problemo, as I'm on dialup.

With the help that's been offered, I'll get realtime working on Etch, and 
Lenny, one way or the other.

Nigel.


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Anyone got realtime on Lenny now that schedutils is no more?

[Nigel Henry]

I've got realtime working on Etch, with a realtime kernel from the musix repo, 
along with rtirq, and schedutils as a dependency to rtirq. Saying that, rtirq 
doesn't appear to be running, but the chrt tool in schedutils has worked 
around the problem, and I have my soundcard set up with a prio of 90, and no, 
or nearly no xruns. Just one every 6m 25secs, and only of 0.250 msecs.

Moving on to Lenny, and after a bit of googling, schedutils appears to now be 
merged into util-linux. I have util-linux installed, but looking at the 
installed files for it in synaptic, I don't see chrt, which is one of the old 
schedutils tools that I need to be able to set realtime priorities for the 
soundcard. In Etch chrt is in /usr/bin. Looking in Lenny, it doesn't exist.

I copied rtirq from Etch into /var/cache/apt/archives on Lenny, then ran dpkg 
-i on that directory. Output as below.

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of rtirq:
 rtirq depends on schedutils; however:
  Package schedutils is not installed.

Pretty obvious really, as schedutils is no longer available for Lenny.

So, just how can I get a realtime kernel running on Lenny now that schedutils 
is no longer available?

I'm not overly bothered, just a bit annoyed that I've had to spend quite a bit 
of time getting realtime running on Etch using schedutils, only to find that 
schedutils has been removed on Lenny, so am back to square one.

Any comments/suggestions anyone?

Nigel.


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Re: Anyone got realtime on Lenny now that schedutils is no more?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 06 October 2007 14:57, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 20:50:46 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > I've got realtime working on Etch, with a realtime kernel from the musix
> > repo, along with rtirq, and schedutils as a dependency to rtirq. Saying
> > that, rtirq doesn't appear to be running, but the chrt tool in schedutils
> > has worked around the problem, and I have my soundcard set up with a prio
> > of 90, and no, or nearly no xruns. Just one every 6m 25secs, and only of
> > 0.250 msecs.
> >
> > Moving on to Lenny, and after a bit of googling, schedutils appears to
> > now be merged into util-linux. I have util-linux installed, but looking
> > at the installed files for it in synaptic, I don't see chrt, which is one
> > of the old schedutils tools that I need to be able to set realtime
> > priorities for the soundcard. In Etch chrt is in /usr/bin. Looking in
> > Lenny, it doesn't exist.
>
> [...]
>
> > So, just how can I get a realtime kernel running on Lenny now that
> > schedutils is no longer available?
>
> Having taken a quick look at the dependencies, I would think that you
> can install Sid's current version (2.13-8) of util-linux on a Lenny
> system. This one includes /usr/bin/chrt. (The problem is that Lenny is
> still stuck at Etch's version of util-linux, which assumes that
> schedutils is available as a separate package.)
>
> --
> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>   Florian  

Thanks for that Florian. I'd checked on Fedora 7's version of util-linux, and 
the old schedutils tools are there. The version on Lenny is 2.12r-19. I'll go 
for the later Sid version, and hope it installs ok.

I'm still trying to find out why Marcos's rtirq from the musix repo is not 
being started. It appears to have something to do with, when it installs, it 
creates a sysconfig directory in /etc, and puts rtirq in that, rather than 
in /etc/default, which is where it should be. If Sid's util-linux installs on 
Lenny ok, I think I'll install rtirq, which will create an /etc/sysconfig 
directory, then make a symlink from /etc/default/rtirq pointing 
to /etc/sysconfig/rtirq, and see if that resolves the problem with rtirq I 
had on Etch, before I used chrt to change the priority of the soundcard to 
90, which fixed the realtime problem on Etch.

I know rtirq isn't running on Etch because sysv-rc-conf shows runlevels 
2,3,4,and 5 unchecked, and trying to run /etc/init.d/rtirq status, just 
segfaults, as does /etc/init.d/rtirq start.

I'll post back either way, as this may be usefull to someone wanting to get 
realtime working on Debian.

Thanks for your help.

Nigel.


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Re: Anyone got realtime on Lenny now that schedutils is no more?

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 06 October 2007 16:31, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Saturday 06 October 2007 14:57, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 20:50:46 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > I've got realtime working on Etch, with a realtime kernel from the
> > > musix repo, along with rtirq, and schedutils as a dependency to rtirq.
> > > Saying that, rtirq doesn't appear to be running, but the chrt tool in
> > > schedutils has worked around the problem, and I have my soundcard set
> > > up with a prio of 90, and no, or nearly no xruns. Just one every 6m
> > > 25secs, and only of 0.250 msecs.
> > >
> > > Moving on to Lenny, and after a bit of googling, schedutils appears to
> > > now be merged into util-linux. I have util-linux installed, but looking
> > > at the installed files for it in synaptic, I don't see chrt, which is
> > > one of the old schedutils tools that I need to be able to set realtime
> > > priorities for the soundcard. In Etch chrt is in /usr/bin. Looking in
> > > Lenny, it doesn't exist.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > So, just how can I get a realtime kernel running on Lenny now that
> > > schedutils is no longer available?
> >
> > Having taken a quick look at the dependencies, I would think that you
> > can install Sid's current version (2.13-8) of util-linux on a Lenny
> > system. This one includes /usr/bin/chrt. (The problem is that Lenny is
> > still stuck at Etch's version of util-linux, which assumes that
> > schedutils is available as a separate package.)
> >
> > --
> > Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
> >   Florian
>
> Thanks for that Florian. I'd checked on Fedora 7's version of util-linux,
> and the old schedutils tools are there. The version on Lenny is 2.12r-19.
> I'll go for the later Sid version, and hope it installs ok.
>
> I'm still trying to find out why Marcos's rtirq from the musix repo is not
> being started. It appears to have something to do with, when it installs,
> it creates a sysconfig directory in /etc, and puts rtirq in that, rather
> than in /etc/default, which is where it should be. If Sid's util-linux
> installs on Lenny ok, I think I'll install rtirq, which will create an
> /etc/sysconfig directory, then make a symlink from /etc/default/rtirq
> pointing
> to /etc/sysconfig/rtirq, and see if that resolves the problem with rtirq I
> had on Etch, before I used chrt to change the priority of the soundcard to
> 90, which fixed the realtime problem on Etch.
>
> I know rtirq isn't running on Etch because sysv-rc-conf shows runlevels
> 2,3,4,and 5 unchecked, and trying to run /etc/init.d/rtirq status, just
> segfaults, as does /etc/init.d/rtirq start.
>
> I'll post back either way, as this may be usefull to someone wanting to get
> realtime working on Debian.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Nigel.

Update as promised.

The Sid (unstable) version of util-linux installs ok on Lenny, and I now have 
chrt in /usr/bin.

The  problem with the rtrirq package that I got from the Musix repo not 
starting, is either down to a problem with the package, or it wasn't being 
installed correctly on Etch, and Lenny. I ended up with a start script for 
rtirq in /etc/init.d, and the same start script in /etc/sysconfig (the 
sysconfig directory had been created during the install of rtirq). I checked 
in my Fedora 7 install, and in /etc/sysconfig the rtirq config script is very 
small.

From a link posted on the LAU list (see below) I downloaded a tarball for 
rtirq, unpacked it, deleted the start script from /etc/sysconfig, and pasted 
the correct config script that was in the tarball into /etc/sysconfig, and 
also renaming it, as it was named rtirq.conf, and the the start script is 
looking for rtirq in /etc/sysconfig.
http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20070101.tar.gz

Assuming you have one or two realtime kernels installed, the only other thing 
necessary is to edit /etc/security/limits.conf, and add the following lines.

@audio  - rtprio  99
@audio  - nice  -10
@audio  - memlock  400

These lines are for the sake of jack. Open qjackctl, then settings. check the 
realtime box, and set the realtime prio to 70.

A reboot with Lenny, starting jackd in qjackctl, and I'm now getting one xrun 
every 58 mins.

Problem solved, but it took a bit of time.

Nigel.

Re: lots of invalid email trying to come in

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 07 October 2007 21:50, Raquel wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:38:59 -0400
>
> Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 07:36:40AM -0700, Raquel wrote:
> > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:14:44 -0400
> > >
> > > Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Suddenly I'm getting lots of email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > where 'someuser' can be most anything. They're coming from
> > > > different ips, some of which have no host name. ('mywebsite'
> > > > is not the real name.)
> > > >
> > > > What's going on? How can I stop it?
> > >
> > > Welcome to the Internet.  You can't stop them from trying to get
> > > in (except by taking the machine off-line).  You can only keep
> > > them from getting in.
> >
> > Exim was doing a very good job of keeping them from getting in.
> > The reason I posted was the fact of all the *different* ips trying
> > to send to invalid users at the same host within a relatively
> > short period of time. Does that mean that those ips are actually
> > zombies that are being used to send email? If so, should their
> > owners be notified?
>
> This was exactly my point, there's little, if anything, that can be
> done.  You could contact the IP address, but are you sure that's who
> sent the email that didn't get into your system.  IP spoofing is
> terribly easy and is done all the time.  So, your "notified owners"
> may be innocent people.  Your "bounce-back" is creating a worse
> problem than the mail that isn't getting into your machine.
>
> My advice?  Ignore it and do something productive.
>
> --
> Raquel

I couldn't agree more. I have bogofilter dealing with incoming mail to Kmail, 
and it's doing a good job. No false positives, and all the spam ends up in 
the trash. I do get a few unsures, but not many. Now and again I look through 
the trash to see what bogofilter has put there as spam, but I'm so sick at 
seeing the "get-a bigga-dick" stuff that I'm not even going to view the trash 
any more.

If anyone that I know sends me mail with a dodgy subject line/content/etc, 
then it's hard cheese. It'll go to the trash care of bogofilter.

I got so annoyed the other day, that for the first time in some months I sent 
all the spam that bogofilter had put in the trash to spamcop. There were 
about 80 spams, and for only one did spamcop say that the ISP concerned was 
going to stop spamming, and you have to take that with a pinch of salt. How 
serious were they?

I could go ranting on and on, but would be a total waste of time. It appears 
that spam will exist while the Internet exists, and we have to deal with it 
as end users. Enough said.

Nigel.


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Trying to find 80wire ide extension cable in France

[Nigel Henry]

Sorry for posting this here. I've got one fixed drive, vertical on the front 
of the machine. the other drives are accessed using a 5 1/4 slot hard drive 
caddy. This is a carrier that fits in one of my 5 1/4 slots, and I have 
numerous harddrives in drawers that slot into the caddy.

The problem I have is with the ide ribbon cable. It's not long enough to 
connect to both drives, because of their locations. I bought the only 
extension cable available in the UK a 40 wire one, and had this connected to 
the harddrive caddy. The end of the 80 wire cable was conected to the fixed 
data drive. I was constantly getting bootup problems, so swapped the 
connections to the 2 drives. Now, whichever OS I boot, boots ok with no 
problems, but I see on the bootup text complaints about the 40 wire extension 
cable that's connected to hdb, like "this is only a 40 wire cable and this 
drive will be treated as ata33".

Obviously I need an 80 wire extension to resolve the problem.

Is there anyone on this list living in France, that knows where to get some 80 
wire extension cables.

Just a little problem I'd like to resolve.

Any help as always appreciated.

Nigel.


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Re: Help Getting Connected to Internet

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 21 October 2007 22:36, Ed wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:40:12 +0200, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > What kind of n.i.c. card in the old computer?  You could need a new
> > n.i.c. card in the old computer or the card may need to be reseated.
> > Did that old computer fall off of anything or get hit really hard
> > between when it was last working and now?  If so, that's a reseat or
> > replacement.  To reseat you need to open the computer and remove the
> > n.i.c. card and check the connector that goes into the computer along
> > the bottom edge of the card for corosion.  Any corosion needs to be
> > cleaned off before it returns to the computer.  Before you return the
> > card to the computer though, you need to make sure you got clear sinuses
> > and smell that card all over. Any odor of smoke, and it's time to
> > replace the card since that puppy has been fried.  Fortunately those
> > don't cost as much as they once did if that's what's needed.  Good luck,
> > networks aren't always the fastest things to sort out.
>
> Hi Jude,
>
> You might be on to something here.  I took the old computer out of its
> cubby hole and opened it up and just 'looked' inside.  I didn't re-seat
> anything, just looked.  I put it back, reconnected all cables, and went
> to lunch.  When I returned, I logged onto one of my other computers, and
> used the broswer to look at the log for the router.  To my surprise, it
> showed some entries from the old computer, so I went over to the old
> computer and tried to ping Berkeley and to my further surprise, Burkeley
> answered.  So I fired up Firefox on the old computer and it connected to
> www.debian.org.  It has been working now with no problems for about three
> hours.  I really didn't fix it, but it is working.  Of course, if there
> is something that is loose, or intermittent, or damaged, it is going to
> fail again soon, but at the moment, it is working.
>
> As you can tell, I am not experienced with Debian.  My next goal is to
> get gcc and all its support (emacs, make, various compilers and
> assemblers) loaded onto this old machine.  I imagine I can read and
> figure out where and how to do this, but if this is a no brainer for you,
> and you care to give me a receipe (step by step procedure) for doing it,
> that would be great.  If not, no problem, I'll figure it out.
>
> Anyway, THANKS to all who helped.  I may be back since, as I said, I
> didn't fix it, it just started working. (This is probably the worst kind
> of problem to have -  or have fixed.)
>
> Ed

Hi Ed. I had a similar problem with my Smoothwall Express2 firewall lastnight. 
I saw that my dialup connection had been dropped, brought up the web 
interface for the Smoothwall, and tried to connect with no joy. Walked over 
too the Smoothwall machine, and heard the harddrive spinning up and down. 
That doesn't sound so good I thought. Tried a few reboots with the 
Smoothwall, but the harddrive is still doing the Tango.

Ahaa! Now my eyes fall on another old machine (P1 133MHz) which has Win 2000 
pro on it. Right, that will do, as I don't use Windows, so I'll put another 
Smoothwall on that. 2hrs later, and the Smoothwall is installing ok, but the 
darned thing won't boot up after the install. BIOS does the memory check, and 
then I get a long string of 40's, or perhaps 48's on the screen. So I think 
that perhaps the Smoothwall install couldn't clean the drive of the Win 2000 
stuff, so I even tried a Win boot floppy with delpart.exe on it. Now that 
should clean the drive thinks I. You must be joking. Now I'm not knocking 
delpart, but it showed 4 entries on the drive, and I deleted all of them, 
then reinstalled the Smoothwall, rebooted, only to be greeted by, and yes 
you've guessed it, a string of 40's/48's on the screen, and the Smoothwall 
won't boot.

Now, there's been no swearing, or cursing during this time, and only a few 
swigs of beer, and a few puffs on the fag, but enoughs enough, so I put the 
monitor, and keyboard back on the Smoothwall machine that had the harddrive 
spinning up and down, take the cover off the machine, having booted it up, 
and the harddrive still is doing a fandango. 

Now I'm still not swearing, although a bit annoyed, so fiddle with the the 
molex power connector on the harddrive. Now that must have been like telling 
my dog that we were going walkies, because the harddrive instantly behaved 
itself. I had to reboot a few times, as some errors were showing, no doubt to 
this constant spinning up and down of the drive, but eventually the 
Smoothwall booted up ok.

I leave the firewall machine running continuously, and coming down for a whizz 
this morning, I heard that damn drive spinning up and down again, but then it 
settled down. it's been behaving itself today, but I do think that either the 
machine , or drive has just about thrown in the towel.

These are only my experiences over the last couple of days. It's only light 
hearted stuff, and no big deal, but I do lik

Re: Getting power off to work in Etch...

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 30 October 2007 18:58, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> Does anyone know the secret to getting Etch to power down the system
> after a halt. I have tried 'apt-get install apmd', but it doesn't
> seem to have helped.
>
> I know the hardware can do it, because it worked with the very old
> version of Ubuntu I tried before Debian (5.04).
>
> The machine is a Dell Precision 410 with new Etch netinst just done...
>
> Thanks,
> DigbyT

Hi Digby. There's a multitude of possible fixes for this one. I've had no 
problems with my Debian, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny installs, all on the same 
machine, but a Fedora version had shutdown problems on this machine, and 
appending the kernel line with acpi=force in /boot/grub/grub.conf fixed it.

I did see another possible fix in the Debian archives, but will have to look 
for that.

Nigel.


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