Re: Floppy light stays perpetually on.
That sounds like the classic case of the cable being installed backwards on one end. Remember - the red stripe on the cable goes to pin 1 on both the drive and the controller. Try unplugging just one end of the cable, turning it around, and plugging it back in. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Best Solution for PPP?
Where exactly do those options go? Putting the line demand idle 600 holdoff 5 along with a dummy set of IP addresses into my /etc/ppp/peers/provider file never got my modem to dial. I tried ping, traceroute, telnet and connecting to a website with lynx - all with no success. Dialing manually works just fine - as long as the demand line is not in there - so I know that part of it works. The system is recently (3 or 4 days ago, IIRC) upgraded to potato and kernel 2.2.12 with ppp support in the kernel - not a module - with ppp version 2.3.7 My /etc/ppp/peers/provider file: xanadu:/etc/ppp/peers# cat provider # This file was generated by pppconfig. You can edit the following lines # but please do not delete lines or the change the comments or you will # confuse pppconfig. noauth #pppconfig_noauth connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" #pppconfig_connect debug #pppconfig_debug /dev/ttyS0 #pppconfig_dev 115200 #pppconfig_speed defaultroute #pppconfig_route noipdefault #pppconfig_ipdefault user ELN/werner1 #pppconfig_user # End of pppconfig controlled lines. You can add lines below here without # confusing pppconfig. xanadu:/etc/ppp/peers# Does the demand line have to go on a particular line? I'm wanting to get this working, as the box in question is going to become the gateway for the house. Thanks -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Best Solution for PPP?
Thanks for the reply, but it's still not working. My /etc/ppp/peers/provider: # This file was generated by pppconfig. You can edit the following lines # but please do not delete lines or the change the comments or you will # confuse pppconfig. noauth #pppconfig_noauth connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" #pppconfig_connect debug #pppconfig_debug /dev/ttyS0 #pppconfig_dev 115200 #pppconfig_speed defaultroute #pppconfig_route noipdefault #pppconfig_ipdefault user ELN/werner1 #pppconfig_user # End of pppconfig controlled lines. You can add lines below here without # confusing pppconfig. demand idle 600 holdoff 5 10.0.0.1:38.12.23.34 ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote After doing those changes the modem still does not dial. xanadu:~# pon xanadu:~# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:AF:41:5A:F9 inet addr:192.168.1.100 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:26 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:377 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:377 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.0.0.1 P-t-P:38.12.23.34 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 xanadu:~# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 38.12.23.34 * 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 localnet* 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 default 38.12.23.34 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 ppp0 xanadu:~# ping 38.1.1.1 PING 38.1.1.1 (38.1.1.1): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: Operation not permitted ping: wrote 38.1.1.1 64 chars, ret=-1 ping: sendto: Operation not permitted ping: wrote 38.1.1.1 64 chars, ret=-1 ping: sendto: Operation not permitted ping: wrote 38.1.1.1 64 chars, ret=-1 --- 38.1.1.1 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss xanadu:~# However, it seems this is all moot as I've come up against a seperate problem. Last night I left that box (xanadu) up all night. When I came home from class this afternoon the machine had completely locked up. The screen had blanked, telnet no longer responded, neither did ftp, nor did ping. Nothing responded at all. As far as any other machine on the LAN was concerned xanadu was gone. So I had to reboot using the reset button on the case. I'm suspecting hardware problems. Joy. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Netscape (Newbie alert)
Jan Muszynski wrote: > > I'm trying to install Netscape and have run into a small problem. > First what I've accomplished so far: > > 1: downloaded from Netscape - finally found out that I had to rename > package to include glibc as part of name before install would work. > 2: First time I tried to run got error - > can't load libXpm.so.4 - archives told me to load xpm4.7 package > 3: next error - can't load libg++.so.27 - archives again - this time > load libg++27 package I just went through this after switching to Debian from a libc5 distro. Sounds like the Netscape you have is the libc5 version. You need the glibc version. If you are downloadinbg from Netscape's site you need to get the one under the "Unsupported" option. That is the glibc version. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GU d-@ s:+ a- C++>$ UL++ P+ L+++ E W++ N++ !o w--- O- !M V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ R+ !tv b+++() DI+ D--- G e*>++ h! r++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: question regarding hardware conflict and linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Um, which PCI-based modems work with Linux? As far as I've been able to > tell, none of the PCI modems we have where I work are detected, even the > controller-based ones. I'd love to be able to get one to work.. Most of > the modems we have are built around the Lucent PCI chipsets, either the > software controller or the "software upgradable" hardware controller ones. http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html is a decently large list that might be of some help. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GU d-@ s:+ a- C++>$ UL++ P+ L+++ E W++ N++ !o w--- O- !M V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ R+ !tv b+++() DI+ D--- G e*>++ h! r++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: SMBMOUNT won't
FWIW when I do an smbmount here I have to use the -I switch followed by the IP address of the machine I'm accessing. An example is: smbmount \\george\d /mnt -I 192.168.1.2 I don't know why, but that's what it took for smbmount to work here. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GU d-@ s:+ a- C++>$ UL++ P+ L+++ E W++ N++ !o w--- O- !M V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ R+ !tv b+++() DI+ D--- G e*>++ h! r++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Newbie Non-FAQ(I think) questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > APPS and GAMES: > - > Quake / QuakeWorld -- I'm guessing that the Linux build for these works on > the Debian distributionAny pointers? (Debian specific FAQ's) > Q3A > VisualStudio6.0 > Word 6.0 -- I've been told that StarOffice is pretty good? (Pros / > Cons please...) I've had very good success with Word Perfect 8. I've also seen numerous positive reports about Star Office, though I personally didn't like it. Currently I use Latex to do reports and essays. > Access > Excel > Photoshop 5.0 Gimp. > LightWave5.5 > 3DSMax > Director 6.0 > Palm Desktop > RioShell 3.0 Check http://www.world.co.uk/sba/index.htm for apps dealing with MP3 players. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Configuring X
Looking at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ I found 4 links for that model. Of those 4, only one had any real info. Take a look at http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/~adam/computing/ThinkPad/ Looks like what you need is there. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: manual kernel recompile vs make-kpkg
So far I've done the same as you, with one exception ... Charles Lewis wrote: > > Warning: newbie question... > > I have been able to recompile the kernel successfully a few times, but I'm > not sure what all is going on, and whether I am doing it the best way or > not. Here is an example of what I do when I update the kernel: > > Install debian kernel source using dselect (not sure how to do patches) > cd /usr/src > tar zxpvf kernel-source-2.2.12.tar.gz > cd kernel-source-2.2.12 > > make menuconfig (or xconfig) > make dep (make clean??) > make bzImage ... here I use make bzlilo instead. I also do some fiddling with symlinks to point to where I actually stow the kernel image. > make modules > make modules_install Doing make bzlilo puts the kernel image into / but I copy it into /boot and rename it similar to what you do here. > cp usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12 > rm /vmlinuz > ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12 /vmlinuz > (I learned the hard way that when I copied bzImage directly to /vmlinuz, I > was overwriting the previous kernel in /boot) This is pretty much what I do with the symlink that I mentioned. I've got 3 or 4 kernels on there, as I'm not sure yet which I'll be using the most (I've got some odd hardware issues). Once I get that settled I'll pare it down to one. > Now, my question is, is what I do above pretty much what everyone else does? > And what would be the equivalent steps for doing the same thing using > make-kpkg? After reading the man pages, I'm not sure what options I should > use or what the resulting deb would be. This is what I've been able to glean > so far: I've always done it the way I outlined above and haven't had a problem yet. Frankly, I really don't see a need to do the make-kpkg thing. The "traditional" way works fine for me, and as the saying goes "If it ain't broke don't fix it". -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Aztech Modem
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > > How do you install a MDP7800SP-U Modem (Aztech 56)? Haven't been > succesfull. And you probably never will be. According to http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html you've got a winmodem there, near as I can tell. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Recommendations for Laptop
Charles Lewis wrote: > Speaking of laptops, I have a Compaq Presario 1920 that I have been dreaming > for a long time of installing Debian on it, but I've been too chicken. > Anyone else had a successfuly experience with one of these? See http://members.xoom.com/joey/linux.htm Seems to have worked decently for him - though he used Red Hat 5.2 that shouldn't differ too much. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Obscure Hardware
Andrew Clark wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone out there knows where I could get a pH probe > with serial output and a water hardness probe with serial output. (Note: I am not an expert on such matters. The information below I obtained from my father, as he does water analysis - among other things - for a living.) For a pH meter, try Fisher Scientific (a huge retailer), Hach (they make meters), or Pitsco (not too sure of that spelling). Most of the lab grade pH meters are coming with a computer interface - most of which are RS232. For a water hardness meter - no such thing. One way to emulate one is to find out what the chemistry of your water is and then you can calibrate a conductivity meter to show hardness, but that will only be accurate as long as the basic chemistry of the water stays fairly consistent. The only way to get a truly accurate reading of water hardness is to have the water sampled and analyzed. What are you wanting to do with these? If you could be more specific I can probably get more specific with answers. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Linux names (Re: Strange file names)
"Ingles, Raymond" wrote: > At my house... > > grayswandir: main machine > excalibur: wife's Win machine > sting: laptop > frakir: mac > dyrnwyn: old 486 > irving: old 386 > > Bonus points to those who can spot the theme and describe the origins > of the individual names. :-> They are all bladed weapons out of fantasy-type stories. Excalibur is of course from the Arthur legends. Sting is the blade carried by Bilbo on his quest to the Lonely Mountain. Grayswandir I recognize, but can't seem to remember where it came from (Corwin of Amber, maybe?). The last three I don't recognize, but the theme is clear enough from the first three. Is that good enough for half-credit? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: How unstable is Potato?
John Gay wrote: > > Judging from the Debian weekly news recently posted, the main stopping point > for > freezing Potato is the boot floppies. I'm running a Slink system because I am > very new to Linux and UNIX. The only deviation from Slink is I installed an > updated Xserver for my ATI AGP Rage+ video card. I have been compiling new > kernels to try to get USB working for a few projects, but other than that, I'm > very nervous of upgrading. I recently got a new scanner, because I couldn't > get > the USB one working, but I can't compile xsane or xscanimage because I need > gtk+ > 1.2, which, although gtk does have slink .debs for it, it also requires xlib6g > >=3.3.4. This, in turn relies on libc6 >=1.2. Both of these requires Potato. > >If > the boot floppies are the main problem with potato, I'd upgrade because I've > already got a working system. But if upgrading is going to break lots of > stuff, > I guess I'll wait till the next millennium. I did have a very bad experience No reason to wait thirteen months for potato. By then the next version will probably either be out or close to it. I've got a potato box here - started with a slink CD, installed it, then did a full upgrade to potato via dial-up. Took time, but solely due to the speed I (wasn't) getting on the connection. > when I did upgrade libc6 to 1.2 a while ago, then tried to install StarOffice. > StarOffice insisted on updating some libraries and rendered my system > completely > broken! Even the help of Linux experts couldn't recommend anything but a > complete install. This was back in June, and I think I remember something > about > Potato being in very bad shape at that moment. I now have StarOffice rpm's on > a > CD-ROM I got on a magazine cover, but I haven't installed it yet. I tried Star Office for a while. Wound up dumping it - so slow and such a resource hog that what little it offered wasn't worth it. Stuck with Word Perfect 8 for what M$-compatable word processing I needed at that time. Currently I use emacs combined with LaTex for documents. > So, My main question is, other than the boot floppies, is Potato fairly safe > and > stable for a relative newbie? My system doesn't have apt installed, but I > should > be able to use dselect to upgrade. Would it be easier to use dselect to > install > apt via ftp and then use apt to update the rest of my system? The one problem I had when I upgraded to potato was the kernel - seems there were some pretty hefty memory leaks in the kernel that it came with. Upgraded to 2.2.13 and that was solved. I'm still dinking around with that box so my uptime isn't very high, but it has never given me a system level problem that wasn't caused by my dinking. Some of the individual apps are giving me fits, but that's not related to whether I'm running potato, slink, or whatever else. I did my upgrade via apt - that was *really* easy. Basically it was one command line, go to bed, get up in the morning with a fresh potato system. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: anyone using USB devices?
"T.V.Gnanasekaran" wrote: > > Hi, > > I know USB support is not available in 2.2.* kernels and the support > is very feasible > in the 2.3.x development kernels. But I am just asking how the USB > support is getting > into 2.3.x kernels. I have a HP USB scanner which I would like to use > with 2.3.x > kernel, if you all suggest. Might want to head on over to http://www.linux-usb.org/ and take a look around there. According to that site, USB support has been in the 2.2 line since 2.2.7 -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Compatible notebook
Head on over to http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ and take a look around. Lots of info there. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Virtual consoles in slink; somewhat updated
Anthony Campbell wrote: > This gives me 5 terminals. X comes out in the terminal "above" the one > you use for startx; I do this in the last terminal (5) and X is in 6. I > believe it is possible to have 64 terminals in all. Not quite. X will come out in the VC one higher than the last one that is defined in your inittab, no matter which VC you do startx from. For example, I often do startx from VC 1. And since I have 6 VCs defined in my inittab X comes up in VC 7. In fact, no matter which VC I do startx from X will come up in VC 7. I'm not sure what happens if, for instance, one user was to startx from, say, VC 1 and then another user, for example root, was to do startx from another VC. Would that start another X on VC 8? I think I'll have to try that next time I'm on my slink box. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
GUI toolkit for a beginner?
I'm finally getting to the point with C that I plan on finally trying to hack together a few small programs that I've been thinking about for some time now. I'd like to also put together a GUI frontend for some of them at some point. However I have zero experience with GUI programming. I know that there are a number of different GUI toolkits out there - TCL/TK, GTK, Motif, Lesstif, and probably a bunch more. Are there any that would be more recommended for a beginner? Or are they all about the same level? I would prefer something available as a deb, and I'm basically throwing Motif out of consideration as IIRC it's the one of the listed that costs. (and costs quite a bit as I remember) I'm certainly open to any suggestions. I'm not looking to do anything fancy yet - just the basics so I can learn how it all works. Any ideas? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: GUI toolkit for a beginner?
Thanks for the tips and pointers from everyone. I think I'm going to start with lesstif and see what happens. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Stubborn Printer
Todd Suess wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I just got a new printer, a Canon BJC1000 which I got for free, This printer does not do plain text. According to http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/show_printer.cgi?recnum=139017 it works using the BJC600 or BJC4000 Ghostscript driver. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
Steve Lamb wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Monday, August 21, 2000, 10:11:17 AM, Michael wrote: > > Also, you can grab pop mail from multiple servers if you're like the typical > > guy and have 5+ mail addresses. > > Right, and have to stuff them into a single account to get at them with a > single client. That, to me, is inelegant. For good reasons I do /not/ mix my > personal and professional email. Using fetchmail in the prescribed manner to > get any sane results I /MUST/ mix the mail up. There simply is not a client > for Linux which keeps accounts separate while allowing people to access > multiple accounts at once. Absurd. Wrong. mutt can do that just fine. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
Steve Lamb wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Monday, August 21, 2000, 1:42:58 PM, Mike wrote: > > Wrong. mutt can do that just fine. > > Don't even try to kid me on that aspect ok? The day mutt can send mail > out my work SMTP from home (yes, that level of separation) is the day I'll > concede. Right now Mutt is most certainly not up to the task except in the > most archaic of senses. Oh, you meant actually send it out through different servers? I thought you were just meaning the message addressing - i.e. what From: line is used. Seems I misunderstood exactly what you meant. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: setting clock to EDT
John Anderson wrote: > This sounds stupid, but when I installed Debian I selected EST vs. EDT. I > have tried using the date command with no success. Any suggestions? Try tzconfig -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Exim question concerning spam
Pollywog wrote: > I am having a problem with a spammer on digital.net's network, and they > apparently won't terminate the spammer account. The spammer forged my e-mail > on his spams and large numbers are bouncing back to me. > > Is there a way for me to bounce the bounces to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using an exim > filter rule or using procmail? That depends. Is there a header line - *any* header line - that you can absolutely count on as usable as an identifier of one of these spam bounces? If yes, then it's quite easy to write an exim .forward rule to bounce them elsewhere. I was having troubles with a particular spammer - I wrote a rule to bounce every message they sent me right back to their abuse address. It'll go something like this: if $header_: contains "" deliver "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" seen finish endif That's a slightly modified version of the exact rule I was using. The deliver line is what actually sends it on the the abuse address, and the next line (seen finish) says to *not* do any further handling of that message. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: 1/2 ifconfig
cls-colo spgs wrote: > debs, > > update: > > i tried to shutdown "eth0" (ifconfig eth0 down), but it still shows up with > "ifconfig > -a.." > > how do i stop this interface? >From the ifconfig man page: If no arguments are given, ifconfig displays the status of the currently active interfaces. If a single interface argument is given, it displays the status of the given interface only; if a single -a argument is given, it displays the status of all interfaces, even those that are down. Perhaps that'll get you pointed in the right direction ... -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: crontab and users?
David Bellows wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm having problems getting cron to work as a user. I'm trying to get > the progam jac (a command line CD player that does work, btw) to run at > specific times to act as an alarm clock. As a user here is my crontab: > > 38 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/jac -P1 > > Which should mean that it will play at 5:38 PM. > > This same crontab installed by root works! Is there some kind of > permission thing to allow users to use cron? One thing that you must be carefull of is to make absolutely sure that there is a line feed at the end of that line. As an example: HAL9000:~$ crontab -l MAILTO="" COMMAND="/home/mike/fetchmail.sh start" #hr min dom mon dow command 01 10 * * *$COMMAND 15 08 * * *br -N HAL9000:~$ The blank lines between the last line of the crontab and the shell prompt are there for that exact reason. Are you by chance trying to do this via the /etc/crontab file? If you are, then you shouldn't be. If, on the other hand, you are doing it via the crontab -e command, then it *should* be working for you. Something else that just occured to me. From the crontab manpage: If the /etc/cron.allow file exists, then you must be listed therein in order to be allowed to use this command. Check to see if that file is there. If it is, then either get rid of it or put your username into it. > Btw, is there a user that I can specify in cron that will work without > being logged in (in case power goes out and I don't wake up and log back > in)? You do not have to be logged in to have a cron job run. The crontab I inserted above works just fine if I'm not logged onto my box. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron
Brent Harding wrote: > How would cron do something such as, emailing a file once and awhile, > make > the file empty, and wait until the next run, but not mail anything if it's > empty. I've never done much with emailing besides piping echo to mail, but > it's limited to one line. What I would do is put all of the work into a shell script, and have cron call the shell script. Just off the top of my head, something like: #!/bin/sh if [ -s /path/to/file ] mail -s Here's_the_file [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /path/to/file rm -f /path/to/file touch /path/to/file fi Warning: This has not been tested. I'm sure there are better ways to do it. This is just a *very* rough example of generally how to go about such a thing. I'm sure there are better ways to do it. The rm and touch lines might be combinable into something like "echo "" > /path/to/file" but I'm not sure. I'm sure there are better ways to do it. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:37:05PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: > > Brent Harding wrote: > > > How would cron do something such as, emailing a file once and awhile, > > > make > > > the file empty, and wait until the next run, but not mail anything if it's > > > empty. I've never done much with emailing besides piping echo to mail, but > > > it's limited to one line. > > > > What I would do is put all of the work into a shell script, and have cron > > call the shell script. Just off the top of my head, something like: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > if [ -s /path/to/file ] > > mail -s Here's_the_file [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /path/to/file > > rm -f /path/to/file > > touch /path/to/file > > fi > > Mike: how are you planning on authenticating that the user actually > created the file, that its permissions don't allow modification by > others, and that there is nothing in the file which might cause a > cron-initiated adduser script to crash, fail, overflow, or otherwise do > Bad Things®? Well, if you look at Brent's question, none of this is asked. All I answered was what he asked. If he's worried about such things, then he can ask about them and I'll see what I can come up with. Until then, I won't worry about it. Besides, like I said numerous times in my reply, "I'm sure that there are better ways to do it". I said that numerous times intentionally. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Unidentified subject!
mike wrote: > I was wondering if there is some package archive somewhere I could add > as a apt-get source so I can get all kinds of new and different > packages. Right now i can only seem to get the ones from the debian > distribution, which are very nice, mind you, but aren't everything. I'd > like to get kde for example, and that isn't on there. Gaim too. Thanks http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/ -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: mounting: audio vs data cd's
Debian User wrote: > When I put an audio cd in and mount it shows: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, >or too many mounted file systems > > I have ata/ide/mfm/rll support and ide/ata-2, ide/atapi cdrom compiled in > the 2.4.0-test7 kernel. > > Anyone have any ideas why a data cd comes up fine but an audio cd balks? Probably because there's no filesystem on an audio CD. They're just not meant to be mounted. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: What is up with Debian 2.2 Potato ??
Jeff Green wrote: > Why download the CD? seems daft to me. Just download 5 floppies and then > let the install followed by apt-get download what you actually want. Unless you are on a dial-up PPP connection, in which case you must also download the base package. I *just* went through this not too long ago. The 'net install does *not* support installing the base packages via PPP. However, having said that - once I got the base installed everything else went smoothly. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: kde or gnome?
Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I tried both KDE and Gnome; in fact I tried installing Gnome multiple > times, and always came to the same conclusion (which is: I run KDE :). > The problem I have with Gnome is a bit subtle, and not obvious to > someone who's installing Linux or even a Linux GUI for the first time > and deciding between what's out there. > > Namely, Gnome does not include its own window manager; KDE does. > Gnome depends on hooks for Gnome support compiled into an external > window manager, and at present the only window manager with full > support for Gnome seems to be Enlightenment, AKA `E'. Also sawfish (aka The Window Manager Formerly Known As Sawmill), which is the one I use with Gnome. For me, the seperation of the window manager is a positive point. I like to fiddle. ::grin:: I've gone through quite a few wm's during the time I've used Linux. Currently, I'm on Gnome/Sawfish, but there's a better than even chance that over the next year or so I'll try out a few more. > And E is a _HOG_. I mean, it's a ho. There seems to be no easy > way to make it not use bitmap textures for everything imaginable on > the screen, including caption bars and even menus. The results are > predictable. With KDE, the entire Linux boot sequence is still much > faster than Windoze; with Gnome and E, it's a toss-up :-( That's on a > 32M/P160 machine, which doesn't strike me as minimalistic. Agreed - E is a hog. There are wm's that are lighter than sawfish, but I find sawfish to be quite acceptable. I'm currently on a PII300, but not too long ago was on a P166 - both machines with 64 megs RAM - and found sawfish to work reasonably well on both machines. But what it all comes down to, really, is what works best for *you*. That's one of the things that I *really* like about Linux - you've got the choices out there. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: KDE debs
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > That URL doesn't work. There is probably some little mistake in the URL, I > used the > one you mean, and I got a bunch of broken links, etc. > You mean > http://kde.tdyc.com/ , but again, didn't work good. http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/ should have answers for you. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Debian 2.2 or woody
Julio Merino wrote: > Hi, > > I'm going to install a new debian system at home (as I commented in > some other messages)... but I'm now wondering if installing the 2.2 or > woody version... > > Since I discovered apt :-) in slink, I've been always using the > unstable distribution. I would use 2.2, but in that version there are > not the "latest" versions of some programs, for example, emacs, gnome, > etc. And the problem of this, is that if I want to get one of this > from the unstable I will have to download A LOT of dependencies that > will make my installation a 2.2/woody mixture. > > Any good reasons to use one or another? If not, I'm going to install > woody as I've always done... :) Like a few others have said, it really depends on what the system will be used for. If a production server, I'd say stay with potato as much as possible. If a home workstation, I'd say go with whichever strikes your fancy. I've been running woody for a few months now with very few problems. Every now and then a package will get a bit bollixed, but usually gets straightened out in fairly short order. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgppOCsZmAhYI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: corruption during power loss
Michael Soulier wrote: > problems easily fixed by fsck without manual control necessary. I noticed > the entries in /etc/inittab for powerloss, but the script it's pointing to > for me is not installed, so it's not that, although I'd like to know what > this /etc/init.d/powerfail script is. IIRC that's for those with a UPS connected. The UPS can notify the system that the power has failed - usually via the serial port, I believe. Once the system has been notified, the system can respond by running the script pointed to in the powerfail entry in the /etc/inittab There's probably a lot more detail to it than that, but that's the basics. There's some more information in the man page for inittab. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgp6VfXE51lLV.pgp Description: PGP signature
[webmaster@my.netvigator.com: Error: undelivered email - recipient email storage limit exceeded]
Is the list owner about? If so, could you *please* find the offendor and remove them from this list? This is getting to be a bit much. - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:44:03 +0800 > Subject: Error: undelivered email - recipient email storage limit exceeded > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Sir/Madam > > Your message cannot be delivered to the recipient because his/her mail box > storage limit has exceeded. > > The summary of your previous message: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Cc: > Sent Date:2000/9/15 AM 10:37:41 > Subject: Re: corruption during power loss - End forwarded message - -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgp7m8DKTASiQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mirror web server
QBA wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a program (fast and reliable with recursive grabbing) > that will mirror any URL with all files and links. Something like > teleport pro for windows. > Any suggestions? wget -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpjvK9FoEiUE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: in xf86config
Ray Percival wrote: > What device should I make my mouse? /dev/mouse is not working. Depends on where your mouse is plugged in. The /dev/mouse is usually a symlink to the actual device for the mouse. For example, on my system I use a PS2 mouse. The device for a PS2 mouse is /dev/psaux And I've set /dev/mouse to be symlinked to /dev/psaux Now then, the more common devices for mice are the first few serial ports, or a PS2 port. For the serial devices: M$ Port Linux device - COM1 /dev/ttyS0 COM2 /dev/ttyS1 COM3 /dev/ttyS2 COM4 /dev/ttyS3 So if you know where the pointer would be found under an M$ system, you should now be able to find it under Linux. One more thing to keep in mind is kernel support for the device. However, AFAIK all installation kernels contain support for both serial mice as well as PS2 mice. So unless you've recompiled your kernel you should be good on that point. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgp3JV4ieUjUT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pgp vs. mutt
will trillich wrote: > well someday i may find this fascinating, but for the moment > i'd really like to just have it percolate in 'run silent, run > deep' mode. > now, i get more verbosity than ever (see above) but i'll have > a look to see if i can give gpg a 'shaddap' option... If you want to have gpg/mutt to *not* verify messages, you can shut it off by putting the line: set pgp_verify_sig = no in your .muttrc Or you could use: set pgp_verify_sig = ask-no to have mutt prompt you each time a signed message comes up, with the default being not to verify. If, on the other hand, you are wanting to just reduce the amount of output that gpg spits out, you might have a read-through of gpg's man page and then try tweaking the options passed to gpg via your .muttrc In particular, I believe gpg has a --quiet option that is supposed to reduce output. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgp3SFomhIRx4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: no cdrom audio from sound card line out
Mark Schiltz wrote: > I think I have tried everything, maybe my sound card is not fully supported? I > have a motherboard with built-in soundpro (CMI8330). The sound is working with > the exception of the cd audio. I know the cd is working because I can use the > phone plug on the face of the cdrom. > > Any Ideas? This might sound like a dumb sugesstion, but did you double check the cable that goes from the CD drive to the soundcard? I forgot all about that cable once - took me most of a week before I thought to check it. The cable was still sitting in my parts box. Another time I had a bad cable - one of the leads was broken internally. Second thing I would do is fire up a mixer-type program and see what the CD audio level is set to. It just might be set all the way down. The Ensoniq Soundscape I have in this machine was a bit of a pain in the ass that way for a while. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpgltASPPBSd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mangled text in X
Jimmy O'Regan wrote: > I recently installed 2.2 on a machine, and X works fine, except the text > is mangled. I installed task-gnome-desktop and gdm, switched to X, and > everything was garbled, so then I installed xfs, xfonts-100dpi to see if > that'd help. Same deal. > > Anyone got any ideas? Does it look like this? http://www.angelfire.com/wv/rezshome/images/mangled_netscape.jpg If so I'll bet you have an S3Virge video card and are using the SVGA server. If that's all correct, switch to the S3V X server. That's what I did to solve the font corruption problem. Haven't had a problem since switching. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpfQVH17BlW7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: book suggestions
Mike Leone wrote: > >90% of the commands, at least, are basic Unix commands, not specific to > >Linux or Debian. O'Reilly's "Unix in a Nutshell", or "Linux in a Nutshell", > >should do fine as a simple reference. Personally I find "Unix Power Tools" to > >be my bible of Unix black magick. > > But won't tell you about the BEST reason to switch to Debian - apt, dpkg, > etc. I think this is what he means - distribution specific. I was at a Borders just last night, and took a look at the newest edition of Linux in a Nutshell - it now does covers apt-get, dpkg, dselect, and a few others. Soon as my paycheck comes through I'll be picking up a copy. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpZsn7wVEDxU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Refusing mail if via ISP? [was Re: apology]
brian moore wrote: > My solution is simply to refuse all mail from > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with postfix: > > Sep 23 16:58:25 bifur postfix/smtpd[3101]: reject: RCPT from > imsmdm002.netvigator.com[208.167.231.173]: 550 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sender address rejected: Learn how SMTP > works and why envelope sender is important.; > from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I get my email through my ISP's POP server via a regular dial-up connection. Can I still do things like what you show here *and* have the error message go to the intended victim ... er, receipient? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpbkWA3u6LI8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Refusing mail if via ISP? [was Re: apology]
brian moore wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 01:55:44AM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: > > brian moore wrote: > > > > > My solution is simply to refuse all mail from > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with postfix: > > > > > > Sep 23 16:58:25 bifur postfix/smtpd[3101]: reject: RCPT from > > > imsmdm002.netvigator.com[208.167.231.173]: 550 > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sender address rejected: Learn how SMTP > > > works and why envelope sender is important.; > > > from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I get my email through my ISP's POP server via a regular dial-up > > connection. Can I still do things like what you show here *and* have > > the error message go to the intended victim ... er, receipient? > > Only if you have root on their mail server. :) Somehow I doubt Earthlink will give me that. Even if I asked *really* nicely. ::grin:: > You -could- do something similar with procmail, but it's really not the > same effect. Yeah, that's why I've been kinda wondering if I could do some sort of error throwing thingy like you were showing. Oh well. Guess I'll just /dev/null the bastards. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpQUbX5MhKT9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Error message not understood
Jay Kelly wrote: > I am receiving an error about ever week that is being mailed to me. In the > subject it says [root: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || > run-parts--report /etc/cron.daily] > and the message reads: > /etc/cron.daily/suidmanager: > suidregister: /usr/lib/emacs/20.3/i386-debian-linux-gnu/movemail registered > but not installed > Do I need to worry about this and if so how can I fix it? I've been getting that same message every day for the past few months. So far I've ignored it - deleted the message and kept going. Everything seems to work just fine here, so I've not been worried. Oh yeah - I'm running woody. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: S L O W mailserver
Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a really slow mail server problem. The guy says it shouldn't be > slow but it is. I know he is running Red Hat on all his boxes on this ISP > and don't know which mailserver he uses for POP3. > > My question is, can I some how trace all tcp/ip traffic to a file when I click > on my mail icon in KDE? Would be nice to start the file just prior to hitting > the button, then end the file folllowing the last message so I can show him > the times down to the second from the actual start of the session to the > end of the session. tcpdump might be usable for that. The package name is, appropriately enough, tcpdump -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: From:-line in Mutt
Sven Burgener wrote: > Hi > > In my yet still very empty ~/.muttrc I have the following line: > > my_hdr From: Sven Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Now, this doesn't seem to do what I want: the domain I have here at home > is made up and Exim doesn't like this when it's trying to deliver a mail > I previously created with mutt: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > SIZE=1583: > host mail.bluewin.ch [195.186.1.68]: > 501 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Sender domain must exist > > > So, what part of the header needs changing so that I can mail with mutt? The way I handled this same problem here was not to try and have mutt do the change, but to have exim do the envelope rewrite. The line in the /etc/exim.conf that does this is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] bcfrF The username on the box here is mike, and I have exim thinking that the domainname for my computer is earthlink.net ... which is the domainname of my ISP. I wasn't feeling too terribly original when I was doing the setup. That line is at the very end of my exim.conf - I'm not sure if it's important where in the file that line is, but that's where the original file had something similar. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: exim & mailing lists
Petr [Dingo] Dvorak wrote: > hi, > > well, this is the deal, all the mailing lists what i'm on have X-Mailing-List > field in the message header, and i would like exim to mangle the Reply-To > header so it contains whatever is in the X-Mailing-List [if there is one], > because replying to a mailing lists is 99% of my outgoing mail and however > this > is the 'bad' (TM) thing to do, i still preffer to send reply only to the list > :) i would really appreciate if someone would tell me how to do this. Instead of trying to mangle headers, use what mutt has available. If you tell mutt what mailing lists you are on, it'll do a reply only to the list when you hit L (yes, uppercase). To do this, you'll edit your ~/.muttrc Here's the relevant portion from mine: # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Identify mailing lists I subscribe to # # lists [ ... ] lists debian-user debian-hams linux-newbie linux-hams suzuki-bikes \ suzuki-l suzuki-gs-twin piclist uclinux gnupic linux-assembly \ wvuarc debian-laptop subscribe debian-user debian-hams linux-newbie linux-hams suzuki-bikes \ suzuki-l suzuki-gs-twin piclist uclinux gnupic linux-assembly \ wvuarc debian-laptop # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'm not too sure what the exact difference between email lists that are listed under the lists entry, and the email lists that are listed under the subscribe entry. So I put 'em all in both to be on the safe side. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: exim & mailing lists
Petr [Dingo] Dvorak wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Mike Werner wrote: > > ->Petr [Dingo] Dvorak wrote: > ->> hi, > ->> > ->> well, this is the deal, all the mailing lists what i'm on have > X-Mailing-List > ->> field in the message header, and i would like exim to mangle the Reply-To > ->> header so it contains whatever is in the X-Mailing-List [if there is one], > ->> because replying to a mailing lists is 99% of my outgoing mail and > however this > ->> is the 'bad' (TM) thing to do, i still preffer to send reply only to the > list > ->> :) i would really appreciate if someone would tell me how to do this. > > ->Instead of trying to mangle headers, use what mutt has available. If you > ->tell mutt what mailing lists you are on, it'll do a reply only to the list > ->when you hit L (yes, uppercase). To do this, you'll edit your ~/.muttrc > ->Here's the relevant portion from mine: > > sorry, i forgot to mention that i use pine. Urk. I could have *sworn* I saw something in your message saying mutt. I must still be half-asleep. Sorry 'bout that. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: tracing route
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > What's the corresponding command in Linux to "tracert" from DOS to trace > a rout? What package contains it? The command is traceroute, in the package traceroute. Another utility of that same type is called mtr, in the package mtr. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: X server error
Max Kamenetsky wrote: > I just upgraded to the latest version of X in unstable and here's the > error I get when trying to run startx: > > X: server socket directory has suspicious ownership, aborting > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > giving up. > > xinit then bombs out and tells me that it cannot connect to the X > server. This only started happening after upgrading to the latest > version of X, namely 3.3.6-8. Does anyone know of a quick fix? Well, it ain't much of a fix, but downgrading xserver-common back to 3.3.6-7 got X back up and running here. I think I'll be holding onto a copy of that particular version for a little while. It's about 420k or so - if you need a copy I can email it to you or something. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Use of typescript
Jay Kelly wrote: > Hello all > I want to post some error messages I am having with ssh and am > trying to use script command but I cant get it to work with > email. Here is what Im doing. I first creat the email, > save it, then cat typescript >>/tmp/mutt-348-8. > when I look at the email nothing has changed, but when I look > at /tmp/mutt-348-4 the output of script has been moved there. > How do I copy the information from script to an email? What editor are you using with mutt? Check that editor for a command to include another file. Under emacs, it's Ctrl-x then i Other editors probably have something similar. Alternatively, you could try doing a copy and paste with the mouse. Left button to highlight, middle button (or left and right simultaneously with a 2 button mouse) to paste. Or you could simply attach the script output file to the email. After editing your message, when you get the mutt screen where you would press y to send the message press a instead. You'll be prompted for the filename to attach. As usual, hit ? for the directory browser. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: gpm and X incompatible? (potato)
Brenda J. Butler wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 02:58:21PM +0200, Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, John Anthony Kazos Jr. wrote: > > > > > Killing gpm (through "gpm -k" and "/etc/init.d/gpm stop") makes the > > > mouse work in X and fixes the display problems in the framebuffer. > > > Does anyone have any ideas about what could be causing this? > > > > How does your setup in XF86Config in section Pointer look alike? > > > Hmm, it was my understanding that, yes, gpm and X aren't > compatible and you _shouldn't_ try to run them together. > > That was in slink. I've since upgraded to potato, and noticed that > both gpm and X are started in the same runlevel. However, I also > have trouble with the X server, and those problems go away > when I kill off gpm (and remove it from the rc2.d directory). > > I've never seen any documentation or announcement saying that gpm > and X are now compatible... Whereas I've always run gpm and X together, and never had a problem with them. I've done it with slink, potato, and now woody. In the process I've gone through a few different mother board / CPU combos. It would seem that whatever the problems with gpm and X cooperating are, they are most certainly not consistent. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Cheap printer?
Jeff Noxon wrote: > I would personally suggest a used laser printer. I see HP laserjets at > garage sales all the time (although I am sure the situation may be very > different where you are.) Toner costs a LOT less than ink. I'll second that. I've got an HP LaserJet III sitting here. The quality is quite good, it's *way* faster than the inkjet downstairs, and I read that it's just about *the* cheapest printer to run per sheet out there. I'm using lprng and magicfilter for printing, and setting up the LJIII was a snap. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: X is "out of resources"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone know what might cause this: > > X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for > operation) > Major opcode of failed request: 53 (X_CreatePixmap) > Serial number of failed request: 1017 > Current serial number in output stream: 1053 > > it seems i get it often when i try to run netscape and XMMS together at > the same time..in this case netscape crashed and can't re load, however > when i quit xmms, netscape loads fine, but then i cant load xmms (till i > restart X) > > using a P3-500 Linux 2.2.16+ow1 Debian woody netscape is 4.73/glibc xmms > is 1.0.1 i believe. been happening a lot, never experienced this as often > as it is occuring before. > > 128MB ram, 120MB swap: > > total used free sharedbuffers cached > Mem:113820 104952 8868 57152 3972 51268 > -/+ buffers/cache: 49712 64108 > Swap: 120452 7012 113440 > > maybe its that ow1 patch ...ive sofar only used it on servers havent tried > it on many workstations yet(www.openwall.com/linux) > > anyone else experience similar symptoms ? I use those two apps frequently - listening to XMMS right this moment, matter of fact - and have never had that type of problem. I'm using an up-to-date woody box, PII 300, 64 megs RAM, kernel 2.2.16, Netscape and XMMS package are: ii navigator-base-4 4.72-16 Navigator base support for version 4.72 ii navigator-smotif 4.72-16 Netscape Navigator 4.72 (static Motif) ii netscape-base-4 4.73-32 Popular World-Wide-Web browser software (base su ii netscape-base-47 4.72-16 4.72 base support for netscape ii netscape-java-47 4.72-16 Netscape Java support for version 4.72 ii xmms 1.2.1-helix3 Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp The XMMS package is from Helixcode - I'm using Helix Gnome with Sawfish. The Netscape packages are straight off Debian's site via apt-get - I had gone to 4.73 but had problems with it so went back to 4.72. Just to be sure of myself, I just fired up Netscape. Got it grabbing the weather radar loop now. XMMS is also playing - Mason William's "Classical Gas" - without a hitch. Looks like it just might be that patch giving you problems. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Xfree86 4.0.1
Corey Popelier wrote: > I see this is now debbed in woody, anyone done the upgrade from 3.3.6 > yet? Any problems? Where did you see this? I just did an apt-get update, and the X versions are still at 3.3.6 -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Xfree86 4.0.1
Corey Popelier wrote: > Hrm. > I jumped the gun, assuming the fact that my apt-get -s upgrade this > morning wanted to do an X upgrade. It appears its just gone from 3.3.6-8 > to 3.3.6-9. S'alright. I got a bit excited myself when I saw the XFree packages being upgraded when I did my last dist-upgrade, so I know quite how you feel. ::grin:: Here's hoping they do come soon. > Excuse me whilst I pop out and shoot myself. Oh, I don't think anything quite *that* drastic is called for. How about, oh, say, 10 lashes with a piece of spaghetti (al dente, of course). -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Kernel question
Walter Williams wrote: > Greetings > > I have subscribed to this list server to find > out more about non-Red Hat derivatives. > Is the Debian distribution of the type that I > can, when I want to update the kernel, > download a complete kernel tar ball or a patch > file from what ever web site I choose, install it, > and have things function properly? Sure can. Fact is , that's how I been doing it. There's also the "proper Debian" method, called make-kpkg. If you go that route, make *sure* to add the epoch to the version number, or you'll wind up with the package management system trying to replace your kernel at some point. > The last coupe of times I did this to my current > distro things went a muck. Fortunate for me I > saved my current kernel and was able to boot > from it. I didn't have too much problems with > previous distro when I built custom kernels > with it. I was able to get a kernel update from > anywhere and go to town with it. > > I am basically "shopping" for a new distro. Yeah, I've dealt with RedHat a couple of times. I put it onto my laptop, where it lasted all of about an hour before I got rid of it and went back to Debian. I find the package management under Debian - using apt - to be *much* easier than dealing with rpm's. apt also has far better dependancy handling than what I saw with RedHat. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Looking for a package, but don't know what to call it
Hiya folks. Got a bit of a question - not exactly sure how to phrase this so please try and bear with me. At the university I attend, the CS department has a central server named naur. There are CS labs scattered around the university, including some across town. Now, from any of those labs when you logon, you basically get connected automatically to naur. All of the account info is (I presume) stored on naur as well. What I'm wondering is: 1) What's this sytem called? 2) Is this doable with Linux? (I'm guessing it is) 3) Is this doable with Debian using regular packages that are apt-getable? I've got my desktop box here that I want to make the server for this. Various other boxes will be the clients, starting with my laptop. I'm sorry to ask such a vague question. I'd go search myself, but I don't know where to start. If I could get even just the name of this system, that'd be a huge help - at least I'd know what to search on. ::grin:: -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: RE: Samba Setup
Walter Williams wrote: > The thing I never did figure out how to do was to > access the windows shares from Linux. This was > because my wife started whining about how since > I setup a network that it was slowing down her > computer. If the Windoze box is called winbox and the shared drive is C, then on the Linux box to mount that share at the mount point /mnt/winc do (as root): smbmount //winbox/c /mnt/winc You'll then be prompted for a password. If no password was specified on the Windoze machine, just hit enter. Otherwise enter the password. This is presuming that the Windoze machine has an entry in the /etc/hosts file on the Linux box. Otherwise, the Windoze machine's hostname can be replaced by its numeric IP. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Looking for a package, but don't know what to call it
Markus Fischer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 02:53:18PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote : > > Now, from any of those labs when you logon, you basically get > > connected automatically to naur. All of the account info is (I presume) > > stored on naur as well. > > This basically sounds like NIS (Network Information > System). It does seem to be what I was looking for ... thanks for the pointer. Now I've another question - how in the hell does this thing work?!? The docs that come with the package are a joke. I've read and reread the NIS-HOWTO a number of times now to no avail. Everything seems to be running, but I just can *not* figure out how to get my laptop (the NIS client) to realize that the login I'm trying to do is over on the desktop box (the NIS server). I went through and did the adduser on the desktop, did the diddling with /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow as per the HOWTO, but the laptop still gives me the Login incorrect message every time. I'm not even seeing an attempt at network traffic from the laptop when I try and login. Anyone here ever gotten NIS working? I sure can't. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Setting up network
maynord wrote: > Also, I often find it necessary to use ctrl-alt-f1 to open a virtual > terminal and do some work. I can never get back to the Gnome desktop. > Any way to do that without shutting down X? You should be able to switch back to X by hitting alt-f7 (presuming you've not enabled more VT's than what comes stock). Having said that, is there a particular reason you don't just use an xterm (or rxvt or eterm or ...)? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: What to use as an MTA
Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > Hello folks, > > in the exim Texinfo file it says: > > > Exim is designed to work efficiently on systems that are permanently > > connected to the Internet and are handling a general mix of mail. > > My question is: If I have a machine that's _not_ permanently connected > to the internet, ie. if I'm using dial-up, is exim still a good choice, > or are there better MTAs for that purpose. > > Are there alternatives that work best with demand dialing with ISDN (no > delay when connecting)? I'm on a regular dial-up here - going through a demand-dialing firewall / router - and have been using exim with no troubles. At one time I was using our ISP's SMTP server as my smarthost, but am currently doing my sending direct. Occasionally I have troubles with sending to sites that use MAPS, but I manage. So I'd say go ahead and give exim a whirl. I found it quite easy to configure, and use its built-in filtering capability to sort my email into seperate directories. Quite easy to deal with, and I found the syntax of the filter easier to understand than procmail's. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Compaq Armada 1750
Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: > Hi all Debian users, > I have to install Debian at a Compaq Armada 1750. I cant get the network > pcmcia card to work. Anyone can help on this? Simply saying you can't get it to work is not enough for anyone to help you. More information is needed. What have you done so far? What, if any, error messages are you seeing? What are the exact commands you have tried? What release of Debian are you using? What kernel? What version of the pcmcia drivers are you using? What make and model of PCMCIA card do you have? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: What drive is the dir on ?
Jay Kelly wrote: > Hey Guys, > I have two ide drives install and I have mounted a dir from the secondary > to /web. Is there a way to check that I have indeed mounted it to the > secondary and not the primary ? Type mount at a prompt - that will show all mounted filesystems and where they are mounted. For example, on my box here I get: HAL9000:~$ mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/hdb1 on /space/part1 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdb2 on /space/part2 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdb3 on /space/part3 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdb5 on /space/part4 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdb6 on /space/part5 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdb7 on /space/part6 type ext2 (rw) It is read as: FILESYSTEM on MOUNTPOINT type FILESYSTEM_TYPE (MOUNT_OPTIONS) > Also while I have you guys, Is there a way to setup mutt to save all > read mail into a directory unstead of deleting? I thought that was the default. Anyway, according to the mutt docs: 6.3.82. mbox Type: path Default: "~/mbox" This specifies the folder into which read mail in your `spoolfile'' folder will be appended. and 6.3.93. move Type: quadoption Default: ask-no Controls whether you will be asked to confirm moving read messages from your spool mailbox to your `mbox'' mailbox, or as a result of a `mbox-hook'' command. Check your ~/.muttrc and see what those options are set to. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Hello i have some problems with my gcc
znider ICKE wrote: > Hi im having some problems with my gcc program when i use it to compile a > file its saids. > > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include Install the libc6-dev package. > and im not having any of thes files so i wounder whis packages they are in > so i can instal them. For future reference, there is a search engine at: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages where you can search by filename to find what package they belong to. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: What drive is the dir on ?
C. Falconer wrote: > At 09:55 PM 7/7/00 -0400, you wrote: > >For example, on my box here I get: > > > >HAL9000:~$ mount > >/dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro) > >proc on /proc type proc (rw) > >devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) > >/dev/hdb1 on /space/part1 type ext2 (rw) > >/dev/hdb2 on /space/part2 type ext2 (rw) > >/dev/hdb3 on /space/part3 type ext2 (rw) > >/dev/hdb5 on /space/part4 type ext2 (rw) > >/dev/hdb6 on /space/part5 type ext2 (rw) > >/dev/hdb7 on /space/part6 type ext2 (rw) > > Might I ask why you have seven partitions on hdb ? You sure can. I carved it up that way planning on installing a different distro of Linux on each partition. It's actually only 6 - one of those is the extended partition containing three logical partitions. However, my need for miscellaneous data storage came before I had the chance to do the "Great Installfest" so those partitions are now being used for random storage. Oh yeah - the drive is a 12.2 gig drive, with each partition being 2 gig except the last partition which was sligtly larger. /dev/hda is a 2.6 gig drive - that's my "main" drive. I.e. that's where Debian itself is installed, where the swap partition lives (/dev/hda2), and is what I boot from. However, I am now regretting carving the drive up like that as some partitions are rapidly running out of room while others are close to being empty. As soon as I can afford a CD burner I'm going to archive everything off and either turn it back into one large partition or *maybe* 2 or 3 larger partitions. I don't know yet. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Font corruption under X
Hiya folks. Some time back I started having a strange and sporadic problem with the displayed fonts in X becoming corrupted. Recently it started happening more often. I've not been able to determine what causes it, but it happens more easily when Netscape is running. I don't think I could describe what happens to the fonts, so I won't try. Instead, I got a screenshot of it. It's at: http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~mwerner/netscape.jpg Recently, if I copy a URL using the mouse from an xterm (actually, it's rxvt that I use) and then paste it into Netscape's URL window the font corruption happens almost immediately. If it doesn't happen immediately, scrolling up and down a few times with the Page-Up and Page-Down keys will trigger it. However, I'm just about positive it's *not* Netscape's fault. I've had this font corruption happen even if Netscape is not running. It's happened with FileRunner, mutt (running in an rxvt window), mc (also in an rxvt window), and even just in rxvt at a prompt. There may have even been other apps that it's happened with - the 4 listed are the one's I use the most. I've also determined that it happens whether I have Gnome running or not. And I just tried with a different window manager - I usually am using Sawfish under Gnome, installed blackbox and tried under that - with the same results. It would seem that the fault is with X itself somewhere, but I have no idea where. And since I've no idea where to look next I'm not sure what to do next. I'm running woody up-to-date as of 5 minutes ago, kernel 2.2.16, PII 300MHz, 64 megs RAM, Helix Gnome / Sawfish. Anyone out there ever seen anything like this? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Font corruption under X
Ashley Clark wrote: > What video card are you using? I noticed this on a cheap S3 > Virge/something (dx i think), upgrading my video card to a Matrox G200 > seems to have solved the problem so I suspect it had something to do > with the S3V implementation of the SVGA X server, but I'm still only > guessing. Looks like that's it, alright. I just popped my case to double-check, and I am indeed using an S3 Virge/DX vid card with the SVGA server. ::sigh:: Well, at least it looks like I now know what the problem is. I'll check the bug tracking system - if this hasn't already been filed maybe I'll go ahead and file one against the SVGA server. I'm still planning on getting a better vid card at some point - the Matrox line sounds quite promising. But it'll be long enough till I can afford a new card that I'll not worry about it for a while. Till then, I'll just try and put up with my current card. Who knows - perhaps the SVGA server in XFree86 4.0 will work better with this chip. Thanks for the speedy reply. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Font corruption under X
Rogerio Brito wrote: > On Jul 08 2000, Mike Werner wrote: > > Looks like that's it, alright. I just popped my case to > > double-check, and I am indeed using an S3 Virge/DX vid card with the > > SVGA server. ::sigh:: > > Is there any reason why you don't use the specialized xserver > for your card? The package is xserver-s3v (not to be confused > with xserver-s3). I have installed that one for a customer and > he doesn't seem to have those problems (I went to your page to > see the corruption). Well, I had considered that server. But when I saw this ... HAL9000:~$ grep-available -P xserver-s3v Package: xserver-s3v Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 2037 Maintainer: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Architecture: i386 Source: xfree86-1 Version: 3.3.6-3 Replaces: xbase (<< 3.3.2.1-1) Provides: xserver Depends: xserver-common (>= 3.3.6), libc6 (>= 2.1.2), libz1 Filename: dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/x11/xserver-s3v_3.3.6-3.deb Size: 892542 MD5sum: e6a896c951af08723bf0e1057596728c Description: X server for S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX-based graphics cards xserver-s3v is an 8-bit PseudoColor and 16-bit TrueColor X server suitable for use with S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX graphic accelerator boards. In most cases use of this X server is deprecated in favor of the SVGA X server. ... that last line got me to use the SVGA server instead. However, between the realization that since I pretty much know that the SVGA server is the cause of my troubles it most certainly can't hurt to try and your recommendation, I am now downloading the xserver-s3v package as I type this. > Perhaps then it won't be necessary to spend your hard-earned > bucks on a new card? Eventually I will anyway - I want a better card. The card I currently have has 4 megs VRAM onboard - that restricts me to 16 bit color at 1280x1024. I plan on getting a card with enough VRAM to let me run full color at that resolution. I've also reconsidered about the Matrox - I think I'll probably get something that uses the Mach64 server, as that's the server that my laptop uses. And if they both use the same server that's less downloading to do when upgrades come along. > If I recall correctly, the SVGA server support for S3 is more > or less of alpha quality (I don't know how things improved > since I last read the documentation). > > > Thanks for the speedy reply. > > Try it and let us know. If I can ever get the package downloaded I will - I'm currently getting *really* low throughput. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Font corruption under X - possibly solved!
Mike Werner wrote: > Rogerio Brito wrote: > > On Jul 08 2000, Mike Werner wrote: > > Try it and let us know. > > If I can ever get the package downloaded I will - I'm currently getting > *really* low throughput. It's now installed. I ran the combo that eariler caused that corruption instantly, and the display survived! Everything seems to be running just as well as it did with the SVGA server, so I'll tentatively call this problem solved. Thank you Rogerio for spurring me to go ahead and try this server. To recap for anyone that missed the beginning of the thread - I was having odd font corruption in X, with an S3 Virge/DX vid card and the SVGA server. Switching to the S3V server appears to have solved the problem, in spite of the "warning" in the description of the S3V server package. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Xfree Mode Switching?
Ethan Pierce wrote: > I was wondering how to make X switch resolutions. I was told ctrl-alt-+ > should work but it doesnt for me. Do I need to have xnest installed? Any > ideas would be appreciated! Thanks -Ethan Make sure that you are using the correct + key. The one at the right end of the row above the letters won't work. You *must* use the + and - that are on the numeric keypad. It *does* make a difference. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: begone ctrlaltdel!
Bob Bernstein wrote: > I had in mind 'none' in the sense of "no one can use Ctrl-Alt-Del." Without > the -a switch it's available to everyone. (Am I missing something here?) In other words you want to completely disable the Ctrl-Alt-Del combo? I'm not sure if this would work, but perhaps changing: ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now to ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/bin/false or something like that? Or perhaps replace /bin/false with the path to a shell script that put saomething like: Permission denied! Go away! onto stdout. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Combining 4 C-class networks: how?
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > Still, it's simply wrong. It's like assuming the sun revolves around > the earth simply traveling along a weird path (remember Keplers > equasions?). Kepler's equations were for the orbits of the planets going around the sun. I think it's probably Tycho Brahe you're thinking of. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: remote shell question
Chris Mason wrote: > Is there any way to SSH or telnet into an account, start a command line > program such as an ftp session, get the download going, then log out and > leave the process happeneing. I would like to be able to start downloading > then close down the workstation from which I SSHed, and come back the next > day to find the task complete. Check into the package 'screen'. It basically starts a "sub-shell" (for lack of a better term) that can be detached from the active session and reattached later. You would run screen on the system that you connected to, not the one you connect from. If you're not going to do anything too terribly fancy, the man page will suffice to get you going. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Debian and WordPerfect
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anyone been able to run WordPerfect under Slink or Potato. I get a > segmentation fault on both. > > Does anyone know of a reason for this? Which version of Word Perfect? I've got WP8 here, and it runs just fine. I'm currently running woody, but I know I had WP at least with potato - not sure if I had WP with slink or not, but I think I did. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: how do you find MAC address of a computer
Turn off the HTML and wrap your lines at less than 78 chars per line. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, I am trying to configure webramp router. It keeps asking me MAC > address of the computer. Do any of yoy know how to find out the MAC > address? Is it the same as network cards Ethernet ID ? If so, how do we > get at this number? Since I installed it thru windows, i don't have any > utility that will display the network card info? I have realtek RTL8029 in > my windows computer? ifconfig under Linux, winipconf (or maybe it's winipconfig - I use Windoze so rarely I can't remember) under Windoze. The MAC address is the Ethernet card's hardware address. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Debian and WordPerfect
Johann Spies wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 05:12:00PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: > > Which version of Word Perfect? I've got WP8 here, and it runs just fine. > > I'm currently running woody, but I know I had WP at least with potato - not > > sure if I had WP with slink or not, but I think I did. > > A few questions: > > 1. Which kernel do you use? When I install WP8 on my system it > complains about the kernel (2.1.14) not being certified. I've used various 2.0 and 2.2 kernels. I can't remember what the "current" 2.0 kernel was when I first got WP8. I'm currently using 2.2.16 > 2. Which window manager do you use? I've used Window Maker, blackbox, fvwm95, and am currently using Sawfish under Helix Gnome. > I can succesfully instal WP8. The GUI installation screen seems to > work without a problem but as soon as I try to run it, I get a > segmentation fault. Perhaps a library incompatability? WP8 is very picky about some of the libraries. It needs the libc5, xlib6, and xpm4.7 libraries installed. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Helix Code Packages
Timothy Ritchey wrote: > Greetings! > I have a debian system running woody, and tried to load up the HelixCode > using their installer. Everything seemed to work okay, but even though I > selected the full install, many packages were not installed (such as the > 1.1.24 gimp, etc.) When I did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. It said > there were no updated packages, and when I tried apt-get install gimp, or > searched for the packages in dselect they did not appear. > > Here is the confusing part - once I had dselect update, the packages > appeared, and I could install them. Is there something I don't know about > apt-get update? I assumed it would have updated the package list. Am I doing > something wrong? Sounds like it. What is this installer you mention? I also run woody on two machines here, and both are using Helix Gnome. All I did to get that installed was to add a line into my /etc/apt/sources.list for the Helix site, run apt-get update, and then apt-get install task-helix-gnome And that's all it took. For reference, my sources.list is: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://kde.tdyc.com woody kde2 kde contrib The third line down is, of course, the line for the Helix Gnome stuff. Add that line into your sources.list, run the update, then do the install of the task-helix-gnome package, and you should be good to go. In fact, that'll install so many packages you might want to go back through and thin out a few of 'em. I'm slowly in the process of doing just that, though I'm in no rush at all. As for what dselect was doing, ya got me. Me and dselect have never gotten along, so I ignore it completely in favor of apt-get. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: telnet vs ssl
Ethan Pierce wrote: > Hi, im wondering about the security of telnet - people say its really > unsecure...does this mean that someone would need to be running a network > sniffer on my ip to catch the data? Yup. And there's plenty of different apps out there to do just that. > I telnet to my ISP from work, (only telnet available) then run SSH from > ISP shell to home machineis this just as insecure as a straight > connection via telnet right to my home machine? Sure is. The data path from you to your ISP is completely unprotected. When you say "only telnet available" I take that means that SSH is not available at the computer you have access to at work? If so, then perhaps you should look into finding an SSH client tat you can out onto the computer at work if at all possible. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?" | "As far from Redmond as possible!" '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: How do I install gnome on potato?
Pat Mahoney wrote: > You might also consider the Helix gnome package. I'll second that. I'm using it here on a couple of woody machines. It's quite nice. > Simply add the line: > > # Helix GNOME > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main > > to /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update ; apt-get > task-helix-core task-helix-gnome (also optionally > task-helix-gnome-dev) One slight note here - if you want the entire thing (other than the dev stuff) then you need do only apt-get install task-helix-gnome That package depends on the task-helix-core package. The end effect is the same either way. Also, I believe the original poster said he was using his system command-line only - the task-helix-core package also depends on the core XWindows package, and the task-helix-core package will bring in the Sawfish-Gnome window manager. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: stop X autobooting & gnome file manager trick?
mhf wrote: > Hello debian-user, > > Issue 1: I can't figure out how to stop default windows manager > ((fvwm)) from automatically starting upon boot into linux. I simply > want to start from a shell and then enter "startx" when I want to get > into a GUI. I've tried to open up "inittab" to see about changing a > "5" to a "3" somewhere amidst all the command lines---((thought I read that > from another post)) but I can't figure it out. There are many > command lines in there and I don't know what they do, or refer to. > > If it would be helpful to see my inittab file, I'll post it. Just > didn't want to irritate folks with an inordinately long post. apt-get --purge remove gdm > Issue 2: I can't get the Gnome Graphical File Manager placed onto the > startup bar. It's the strangest thing. I go to the Gnome Menu Editor > and there it is. Properties has it titled as "File Manager," the > description line says it is "Graphical File Manager," and the > application command line is filled in as "gmc." It even has an icon > properly asssociated to it. Nonetheless, I can't get the thing placed > onto the Gnome startup bar so that I can use it. Help, I'm totally > stumped! Startup bar? Not sure what you mean by that. If you are referring to the Gnome Panel (the long thingy along the bottom of the screen), then: 1) Right-click on the Panel 2) Find the app you want in the menus 3) There should be a little box with three periods in it after the name of the app 4) Click that box 5) Click the option of "Add this launcher to panel" > Issue 3: Can anyone suggest a good link to get me started in > configuring my Hewlett-Packard Deskjet 820C to print on my stand-alone > computer. Or, if there's good documentation that comes with the > Debian 2.1 Slink installation that I haven't been able to locate, > please point me there. Start with: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=61568 Beyond that, I'll have to pass. Printing isn't something I know a whole lot about. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: libc.so.5
David S. Jackson wrote: > This is probably in a FAQ somewhere, but I don't know where. :-) > > I upgraded to Potato just recently (finally) and don't know the > name of the file that provides a compatability library for > libc.so.5. Can anyone tell me so I can apt-get it? Appropriately, the package name is libc5 -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: editors and browsers
Thomas Kirsch wrote: > 1. Are there any "WYSIWYG" email editors available for Linux? Preferentially > any that would run also on Windows? I really don't know quite what you mean by a WYSIWYG email editor. I know of two email clients that exist for both Linux and Windoze - they are Netscape and pine. There might be others, but I don't know of them. Of course, there's also the possibility of trying to run a Windoze client under something like Wine. There's a fellow on another list I'm on that uses the Juno client under Wine. > 2. Are there any graphics based web browsers available for Linux other > than Netscape? Yes. Ones I've used are Mozilla (Netscape 6 is based on this), Opera (not very usable yet), gzilla (very basic). There are at least a few others, but I'm not very familiar with them. > If yes, are there "release versions" of these browsers? Again, I really don't know what you mean by this. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: apt-get source?
Mark Wagnon wrote: > deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main source > ^^ > Is this how it's done, or am I way off here? You're way off. ::grin:: But that's okay. We'll get ya there. Here's the relevant portion from my sources.list: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free If you want to use ftp instead of http, just change the instances of http to ftp and you should be good to go. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Command Line on logout
Joey Tsai wrote: > Well, I use gdm, and the problem I have is that I cannot remove it without > breaking task-helix-core, which keeps me up to date with the helixcode > packages. You *can* remove gdm safely. All the other packages will still be in the system, and so will still be kept up-to-date. I've been using Helix Gnome for some time now. And one of the very first things I did after install task-helix-gnome was blow away gdm. Sure, the task package got removed as well, but so what? It had already done its job - it caused everything I needed to be installed. My Helix Gnome installation has been faithfully kept up-to-date by a daily apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade just fine. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: same debian, new hardware?
Krzys Majewski wrote: > Again on the subject of buying new hardware, I'm looking for a good > way to copy my existing setup to the new machine. So far I can think > of three main types of options. In order of decreasing popularity, they > are: > 4) Physically install the old hard drives in the new machine. I recently went from a Pentium 166 to a PII 300, and the route I took was number 4. My hard drives are both IDE, but I do have a SCSI CDROM drive. Everything went just fine. I did later recompile the kernel for the PII, but I doubt it was really necessary. However, in the process of recompiling the kernel I redid some of the other peripherals to get them working better, or in the case of the sound card to get it working at all. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: kde.tdyc.com
JP Sartre wrote: > Just curious if anyone knows what the story is with kde.tdyc.com? > It's been down for a few weeks now, and it's the only place > I know for kde debs. Anyone have a clue? Thanks. I installed KDE onto a friend's woody box last night off the tdyc.com site via apt-get ... worked just fine. And when I've done the apt-get update here on my systems the files from tdyc.com comes down just fine. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: cdrom cant read audio cds?
Matthew M Carroll wrote: > I have a Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-ROM PX-32TS Rev: 1.02 cdrom, and I > cant get it to mount an audio cdrom, this is a problem because I would > like to encode my cds into mp3 :). If anyone has any suggestions to get > this working, or if anyone could recommend a good fast scsi cdrom for > ripping audio cds I would greatly appreciate it. I used a program called grip to encode my CD collection. At no time was the CD mounted. Since an audio CD doesn't have a filesystem, there's no way you can mount it. It just ain't gonna happen. As far as I've been able to figure, the ripper does an access to the raw device - for example, on my laptop the CDROM drive is /dev/hdc, and the ripper just goes straight to /dev/hdc without even thinking about doing a mount. Might sound a bit odd, but hey ... that's just the way it is. ::shrug:: I'm not real sure about it all, but it works. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: .deb packages and X
Chris Cameron wrote: > 2 quick questions, > Where can I find an XFree86 server newer than 3.3.2.3 in a .deb file, and I'm not sure what version potato has, but woody has 3.3.6 If you are wanting to stay with slink, you can add the line: deb http://www.debian.org/~vincent/ slink-update main to your /etc/sources.list to get 'em. If, on the other hand, you are willing to go with woody, just change your /etc/sources.list to point at woody and do a dist-upgrade. I've been using woody for a few months now - it's doing just fine. > how can I tell what packages I already have installed? dpkg -l It's likely to be a long list, so you might want to either pipe it through a pager - I use "dpkg -l | less" - or you could redirect it into a file. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: alternatives to fdisk
Arcady Genkin wrote: > What alternatives to fdisk are there? I remember I used one once, but > shoot me if I remember the name. ;^) cfdisk comes to mind ... it's what I use when possible. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: gzipped readmes in /usr/doc/*
S. Champ wrote: > the question: > > what is the command to read these README documents, without having to first > use > a command to un-gzip the same? I use Midnight Commander. Select the file in question and hit F3 to view the file. Does the uncompression on the fly for you. There are numerous other things mc can do that I find invaluable, but that's for another thread. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Lexmark 5700
cam wrote: > I have a Lexmark 5700 inkjet printer. I was wondering if this printer > works under Linux (woody version) and if it works...how might I get it > working? any help would be appreciated. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=62016 -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Color me clueless, but I just found something way cool. I guess I > *should* have spent more time with Novell. > The cool hat trick: You can browse through the contents of a Deb > package *.deb file) with gmc as if it were a locally mounted fileystem, > without having to unarchive and untar all the constituent components. You can also browse tarballs, gzips, bzips, gzipped tarballs, bzipped tarballs, and zips as well, providing that the attendant gzip, bzip, tar, and zip programs are all installed. Select the archive in question, and you can either: Hit F3 to view a listing of the files contained in the archive or Hit Enter to browse the archive as if it were a directory Altogether a most usefull little program. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Alien to .tar.gz
Andrew McRobert wrote: > hi > > Does anyone know the syntax to use 'alien' to convert from rpm to .tar.gz. > The man page says this can be done, but doesn't say how ... the closest > thing listed is "alien -t [file]" which produces [file].tgz ... .tgz == .tar.gz -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: Linux Newbie!! Help!!!!!
Ronald Castillo wrote: > Hi... I have several things I need help with in Debian... First of all, I > need to know some servers that I can use in the sources.list file for > apt-get and which packages are in that servers. Depends on which version of Debian you want. If you wish to upgrade to the potato release, then use the lines: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian potato main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free Or if you wish to go all the way up to woody, then use the lines: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free There is also a web site that lists a whole bunch of "unofficial" URL's with apt'able software. That site is: http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/ > - Is there any way that I can use my ATI Rage LT Pro AGP 2X video card with > the acelerated servers in X Window? This is the same chip that's in my laptop. The Mach64 server is the proper one for that chipset. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: netscape security hole
Marko Cehaja wrote: > By the way, Netscape doesn't exist in Debian. Huh?!? apt-get install netscape *will* install Netscape 4.73 just fine. That's how I got Netscape onto my system. Sure looks like it exists to me. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: netscape security hole
Marko Cehaja wrote: > Dear > > sorry, I wanted to post it to the list. So previous email went to you > privately. > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:56:18PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: > > > > > > You are wrong. apt-get is: package handling utility. It is not > > > Debian-Linux > > > installer. You can *add* any deb packages to your Debian GNU/Linux by > > > using apt and its configuration files. > > > > > > It is still far away of that package existing in Debian Distribution. > > > > By your reasoning damn near *nothing* exists as part of Debian, then. How > > much of the software available via apt-get is actually written by the Debian > > team? Maybe 5%? The rest is software that has been *packaged* in deb > > format, but written by someone else. So now I'm curious as to just what it > > takes to be considered to exist as part of Debian? > > Please read the Debian Social Contract policy: > http://www.debian.org/social_contract > > If you want to see which packages do exist in Debian, refer to: > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > Anything what is not there, isn't part of Debian. I went and looked at that page, and lo and behold there's a whole slew of Netscape packages. Just like the ones I've used to install Netscape onto my systems. Oh, wait a minute. Those *are* the packages I used. > > > And regarding that security bug - well, ipchains and other tools do exist > > > on Debian. > > > > But how can they exist in Debian? They weren't written by the Debian team. > > They were just packaged by the Debian team, just like Netscape was. And if > > Netscape doesn't exist in Debian, then ipchains can't exist either. > > Debian is kind of free-OS, with strong points on security as well. > If Netscape *would* exist in Debian, you would almost immediately find the > security alert on Debian site, first page. I've received a number of recent security announcements via email (debian-security-announce email list) that have not appeared on that page. Seems that Security blurb there isn't very up to date. > > > Therefore is that bug purely in Netscape. > > > > This is pure pedantic twaddle. If a bug in a package that is made available > > for installation by a distribution creates a security hole, then the > > distribution has a security hole. If we go by your reasoning that security > > holes in packages are purely a problem with that package and not with the > > distribution, then a distribution can *never* be said to have a security > > hole. > > I am not sure if you follow. Netscape isn't part of Debian. You have to > get Netscape from third party company. No, you don't. Netscape has been packaged for Debian, in debs, available straight from the Debian ftp server. That pretty much meets the test for existance in my book. > It is up on you as system administrator to know what kind of software you > install on computer anyway. Exactly. dpkg -l comes in handy for keeping track of such things, and ... HAL9000:~$ dpkg -l . . ii navigator-base-4 4.73-19 Navigator base support for version 4.73 ii navigator-smotif 4.73-19 Netscape Navigator 4.73 (static Motif) . . ii netscape-base-4 4.73-32 Popular World-Wide-Web browser software (base su ii netscape-base-47 4.73-19 4.73 base support for netscape ii netscape-java-47 4.73-19 Netscape Java support for version 4.73 hey, wait a minute! How'd Netscape get into that list?!? It can't do that! It's not part of Debian! HAL9000:~$ ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/ . . -rw---1 root root 7078 Jun 22 13:25 navigator-base-473_4.73-19_i386.deb -rw---1 root root 3227630 Jun 22 13:25 navigator-smotif-473_4.73-19_i386.deb -rw---1 root root13368 Jun 22 13:25 netscape-base-473_4.73-19_i386.deb -rw---1 root root28736 Jun 22 22:40 netscape-base-4_1%3a4.73-32_i386.deb -rw---1 root root 5754170 Jun 22 13:25 netscape-java-473_4.73-19_all.deb That's odd. I wonder where those Netscape debs came from? Oh yeah! I got 'em from the Debian site via apt. But ... I couldn't have. Netscape's not part of Debian. Curiouser and curiouser. > Debian isn't vulnerable to that bug in Java. Well, of course not. After all, since Netscape isn't part of Debian (even though it's listed on the Packages site you mentioned, and the debs are there on the ftp site, and ... oh to heck with it) then obviously Debian couldn't be vulnerable. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: netscape security hole
Marko Cehaja wrote: > Dear friend, > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:56:03PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: > > > > format, but written by someone else. So now I'm curious as to just > > > > what it > > > > takes to be considered to exist as part of Debian? > > > Some interesting editing you did here ... > > > Please read the Debian Social Contract policy: > > > http://www.debian.org/social_contract Let's put this line back in, since it's what I was referring to. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > I went and looked at that page, and lo and behold there's a whole slew of > > Netscape packages. Just like the ones I've used to install Netscape onto my > > systems. Oh, wait a minute. Those *are* the packages I used. > > You didn't read the social contract and I consider this childish, that you > even reply before that. Yes, I did. Accusing me of not reading it when you actually don't have the slightest clue as to whether I did or not is childish. > Quote from the social contract: We acknowledge that some of our users > require the use of programs that don't conform to the Debian Free Software > Guidelines. We have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our FTP > archive for this software. The software in these directories is not part > of the Debian system > > Can you spot that sentence "is not part of the..."? Uhh, gee that's a hard one. I'll guess ... the last one? Seems a load of double talk. If something is not part of Debian, why make it available? Why not just stick with an installation package like is used for RealPlayer? > It doesn't mean if you find on debian servers some software, that it > immediately belongs to Debian OS. There is so much software that work on > Debian and is not Debian. > > I hardly suggest you, that you read that social contract. I already did. > > > If Netscape *would* exist in Debian, you would almost immediately find the > > > security alert on Debian site, first page. > > > > I've received a number of recent security announcements via email > > (debian-security-announce email list) that have not appeared on that page. > > Seems that Security blurb there isn't very up to date. > > Please don't change my words. I didn't. I am pointing out that the Security announcement on the main Debian page - the one that you pointed to as "evidence" - is out of date. Therefore, the non-appearance of a security notice there is meaningless. > I told you if Netscape would be part of Debian OS, > that would be reported. And I pointed out why your explanation of an announcement on the Debian home page was not necessarily correct. > If you see something which is wrong about security, report it by yourself. If I do, I will. > > No, you don't. Netscape has been packaged for Debian, in debs, available > > straight from the Debian ftp server. That pretty much meets the test for > > existance in my book. > > Using apt-get doesn't ensure at all that you use Debian OS. I have in my > /etc/apt/sources.list couple of third party references. That doesn't mean > I get Debian OS. So do I. The one I use the most is Helix Gnome. Since it *did* come from outside of Debian, I do not consider it as part of Debian. Packages that *did* come from the Debian site I do consider part of Debian. > Please install the Virtual Mr. Richard Stallman on your system, the package > is called vrms. Run it, and it will tell you pretty much, which packages > are you running with licences which are not acceptable in Debian OS. I've got it installed. ::shrug:: Seems pretty useless. > It is not fool-proof. Netscape and hundreds of other non-free programs, > aren't part of Debian. And I'll ask again, why does Debian make it available off of their server, already prepackaged? Why not go with an installation package as used for RealPlayer? That should satisfy both the zealots and the realists. It seems to have worked with RealPlayer. (Yes, I know I keep going baclk to RealPlayer as an example, but it's the *one* package I've installed in that manner. And it worked just fine.) > > ii netscape-base-47 4.73-19 4.73 base support for netscape > > ii netscape-java-47 4.73-19 Netscape Java support for version 4.73 > > > > hey, wait a minute! How'd Netscape get into that list?!? It can't do > > that! > > It's not part of Debian! > > Go and inform yourself what Debian is. Spare me of your irony. Aww, don't you like it? ::grin:: -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
Re: netscape security hole
Tom Allard wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > Please read the Debian Social Contract policy: > > > http://www.debian.org/social_contract > > > > > > If you want to see which packages do exist in Debian, refer to: > > > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > > > I went and looked at that page, and lo and behold there's a whole slew of > > Netscape packages. Just like the ones I've used to install Netscape onto > > my systems. Oh, wait a minute. Those *are* the packages I used. > > Well, you looked at the packages, but not the social_contract, As I've said in another post, yes I did read it. > specifically: > > 5.Programs That Don't Meet Our Free-Software Standards > > ... We have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our FTP > archive for this [non-free] software. The software in these > directories is not part of the Debian system, although it has been > configured for use with Debian. ... And as I said in that same other post, why not take the packages off of the server and go with an installation package such as used for RealPlayer? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.
