Re: Wine

[Kelly Clowers]

On 3/16/07, Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




> So, to sum it up, the reason that some upstream developers provide
> Ubuntu but not Debian packages is because they either don't know about
> tools like pbuilder or are just lazy.

I fully agree.  Now we just need to convince Mr. Richie of that.  His
e-mail address is:  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't think we'll get very far, and I am not the one to do it, since I
am not experienced enough with properly building Debian packages that I
can engage in a technical discussion about it.

I misquoted the first time, it doesn't say the package has changed, it
said Debian changed.


Actually, I am using the wine debs for Dapper right now, on Etch.
They install fine and Wine seems to work correctly.

And to get back to the original question:

hi, i've been reading about wine (cedega and cxOffice also) the question
is, which of those packages is better, and why (im interested basicly in
some windows games)


Transgaming's commitment to Open Source has been questioned,
and in any case, Wine is getting so good that I no longer see the need
to use Cedega, even for games. However, my gaming needs are fairly
minor, mostly StarCraft and Civilization III. I would suggest trying your
games with Wine and then trying Cedega if needed.


also, id like to know the difference between wine from debian and wine
from wineHQ 


The Wine packages in Debian testing are somewhat older than the
WineHQ release and Wine packages in Debian stable are not updated
and end up very out of date.

If you can use the provided Ubuntu debs you will be up to date with the
current Wine release.

Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: How to get Stumble Upon to work with Iceweasel, Any tips?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 6/28/07, John W. Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I looked at that but this is the line that was set up by the installation
system "general.useragent.extra.firefox default string
Iceweasel/2.0.0.4"
This seems to be exactly backwards to what you suggested. Where do you suggest
I go from here.

BTW: Stumble also does not show in Iceape. Though there is a line in
about:config that is "general.useragent.vendorSubuser setstring
1.7.8-1sarge8 StumbleUpon/1.999"
Any ideas?
Thanks!!


It sounds like you are installing Stumble with the Debian package. If so,
try purging the Debian package and then reinstalling. If that doesn't work,
purge it again and try installing from addons.mozilla.org.

Also, the ExtentionUninstaller API and the Extension Manager extension
can be very useful.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/202
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/203

(it says they are for Firefox 0.x, but they work fine in
Mozilla/SeaMonkey/IceApe)


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: SATA support

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/12/07, Dustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm building my first PC, it will run Debian of course.

I'm buying the parts off of newegg.com and noticed that many of the
newer DVD burners have a SATA interface.  I'm looking at getting both
the HDDs and the DVD burner with a SATA interface, but wasn't sure if it
could make the process more complicated from a Debian standpoint, and
wanted to see how safe of a bet it would be to use one.

I understand that the interface is faster and cleaner from a physical
standpoint, but more complicated and less tried and true from a software
standpoint.

I would prefer to have the option to playback DVD movies on this
machine, in the past I've had trouble getting smooth playback on a PC
versus a dedicated stand alone DVD player.  This may only be an issue
with older machines, but I might be wrong in that assumption.

Any advice on this issue, or any issue in building a newer Debian PC
would be excellent.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Dustin


I actually have nothing useful to add to the main discussion, but I
would like to thank you for bringing to my attention the widespread
availability of SATA burners. The last time I looked, there was only
one or two SATA models available anywhere. Thanks again.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: fluxbox weirdness

[Kelly Clowers]

On 12 Jul 2007 19:44:44 GMT, Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I just rebooted my laptop for the first time in ages (usually I just
hibernate to RAM). Fluxbox is behaving very strangely. I have the Alt
keys bound to a number of handy things, such as switching windows and
switching desktops. None of the alt combinations appear to work,
although Mod4 does, as does None Pause, None Scr_lock and None Print.
Also, my xterm windows are now decorated with a title bar which sticks
out above the window frame.

Are these new fluxbox features? If so, how do I turn them off? If not,
what's going on?

Thanks,

Tyler


Those are external tabs, which I believe Fluxbox had a long time
ago and where recently brought back. I don't care for them myself.
To switch back to internal tabs, bring up the menu and select
Configuration > Tab Options > Tabs in Titlebar.


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Kelly


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Re: fluxbox weirdness

[Kelly Clowers]

On 13 Jul 2007 16:44:19 GMT, Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 2007-07-12, Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just rebooted my laptop for the first time in ages (usually I just
> hibernate to RAM). Fluxbox is behaving very strangely. I have the Alt
> keys bound to a number of handy things, such as switching windows and
> switching desktops. None of the alt combinations appear to work,
> although Mod4 does, as does None Pause, None Scr_lock and None Print.
> Also, my xterm windows are now decorated with a title bar which sticks
> out above the window frame.

Further to these issues, I've now noticed that on switching
windows, the first keypress is ignored. e.g., when I switch into an
xterm window and press enter, nothing happens. Hitting enter again
produces the normal result. I've noticed this same behaviour with
emacs, and it seems to affect every key - the first key press is
ignored.

Any suggestions as to what's going on? This is kind of frustrating as
it introduces typos into commands when I jump to an xterm.

Thanks,

Tyler


I don't think I can help with that problem. I am not seeing here (sid,
fluxbox 1.0~rc3-2), and it sounds like an actual bug not a config
setting. Does this happen when switching to other windows besides
xterms (text editor, etc)?


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: Problems with text file going from Linux to MS Windows

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/21/07, Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If I want to send a text file to an MS Windows user there are problems: in
fact, in MS Windows a text file which has been composed under Linux is not
correctly read: the line ends are not recognised.  The remedy is to cut the text
and paste it into an MS Word file, then cut it again and re-paste it into the
text file, which is not so good because this way I need rebooting every time
into the Windows partition.

Can anybody suggest some solution to this problem?

Thanks,
Rodolfo


Besides the conversion methods already mentioned,
Wordpad handles Unix line ends just fine (unlike
Notepad).

Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: searching for graphical torrent client

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/27/07, Giorgos D. Pallas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tried google but can't seem to find something that both looks decent
> *and* is available for debian (testing) as a binary. For example I tried
> qtorrent, but it is so minimal that I don't like it... Or to put it in
> another way: Which client resembles most the windows utorrent? (I also
> tried ktorrent for KDE and it crashes often...)
>
> Thanx,
> Giorgos

I haven't used it a lot yet, but transmission seem pretty good so far.
It's available in the Debian repo.


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Kelly


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Re: IM on a home debian network

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/28/07, ArcticFox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Jesus Arocho wrote:
>
> > I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server.  I run a
> > combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server.
> > Is there
> > a program available that will provide instant messaging within the
> > network?
> >
> Try looking in to Jabber, you can run that as a server.
> (http://www.jabber.org/) I've never used it though, only looked into it
> for use with my Mac.

Some Jabber clients (on linux, gajim and maybe pidgin) also support
link local (serverless) messaging. I have never used it so I can't say
more than that.


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Kelly


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Re: dumb question about Adobe Acrobat....

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/29/07, Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:20:59 +0200
> Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Florian,
>
> > pdftk can be used to fill in PDF forms. It can generate an FDF file
>
> Yet another package I've not heard of.  Hardly surprising, really,
> given that there seem to be dozens of ways of achieving one's goals
> with *nix OSs.  Which is a good thing, of course.
>
> > Unfortunately I am not sure if this works with all versions of PDF
> > forms or only with older ones.
>
> PDF, like many formats, is an ever moving goalpost.  Consequently,
> we're playing "catch-up" all the time.

The next version of Evince, due this fall, will also support form filling.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: utf8 Problems

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/28/07, Bernhard Kuemel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi debian-user!
>
> I converted to utf8 in the hope that my non ASCII character problems
> would disappear. They are now ... different.
>
> I used utf8migrationtool and locale now says:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
> LANG=en_US.UTF-8



> I wanted to print a German text containing umlauts from a web page.
> I marked it in iceweasel and pasted it into a 'konsole' running bash
> running 'cat >x'. 'lpr x' printed only a page with the character 'K'.
>
> 'hexdump -C x' says:
>
> 0010  20 20 20 20 20 20 4b fc  6e 64 69 67 75 6e 67 73  |
> K.ndigungs|
> 0020  62 65 73 63 68 72 e4 6e  6b 75 6e 67 65 6e 0a 0a
> |beschr.nkungen..|
>
> so ü is 0xfc, ä is 0xf4, and the characters are printed as
> periods '.'.
>
> mc's viewer says:
>
> 0010 20 20 20 20  20 20 4B FC  6E 64 69 67  75 6E 67 73
> Kündigungs
> 0020 62 65 73 63  68 72 E4 6E  6B 75 6E 67  65 6E 0A 0A
> beschränkungen..
>
> Here ü is still only the single byte 0xFC, but it gets printed
> as 'A' with a tilde and a '1/4' character. ä is again 0xE4 but
> printed as 'A' with a tilde and a circle with 4 short lines
> extending from the circle diagonally.
>
> Opening x in openoffice writer shows rhombuses with question marks
> for each umlaut.
>
> Opening x.html in openoffice writer I was unable to remove all the
> table etc. stuff and so was unable to reformat the text so it would
> fit on one page. Hmm, it might work, if I copied the text from there
> into a new document. But here I want to solve the locale problems,
> or what should I call the problem?

I think this has to do with the use of HTML entities (ä)
instead of actual UTF-8 characters. An additional possible issue
is that the web page may not be UTF-8.

When I want to fix up an html page before printing it, I use a
WYSIWYG html editor (I use vim when writing my own html).
SeaMonkey Composer / Nvu / KompoZer (which are basically
all the same program in different forms) have worked well for
me.

> mc (midnight commander, a norton commander clone) of course goes
> crazy again, but I was not surprised and accepted that it prints 'a'
> with '^' instead of line art, etc. More serious was that when I
> 'ssh'ed to a different computer (not sure which) it got confused
> about which line it was on and I messed up editing /etc/fstab.
>
> man gets quote characters wrong, printing 'a' with '^' instead and
> so does gcc.
>
> I also have problems with kvirc. IIRC I can get it to display
> iso8859-1 correctly, but not utf8, and the smart utf8/iso8859-1 mode
> does not work. I chat with users who use iso8859-1 and utf8.

This sounds more like a real locale problem. Have you tried running
"dpkg-reconfigure locales"? That can fix some locale problems.


Cheers,
Kelly

Re: dumb question about Adobe Acrobat....

[Kelly Clowers]

On 7/29/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 12:32:18PM -0700, Alan Ianson wrote:
>  >
> > > The next version of Evince, due this fall, will also support form filling.
> >
> > That is such good news.. exactly what I have been hoping to read.. I've
> > been looking for a way to fill in pdf forms for an amd64 box I have
> > here.
> >
>
> I have been under the impression that evince and kpdf use xpdf behind
> the scenes.  Does this mean that xpdf will be able to do this too, or
> are evince (and perhaps kpdf) more functional than xpdf?

Evince uses poppler, which was forked from xpdf quite some time ago.
Kpdf upstream uses xpdf, but some distros hacked it to use poppler
(I'm not sure if Debian did or not). I believe xpdf development is mostly
dead.

Okular, the KDE 4 universal viewer, will use poppler for pdfs.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: [OT] Recommended Router Hardware

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/6/07, Samuel Bächler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> I now got a Linksys WRT54GL to which Eric Reymond refers to in "Linksys
> Blue Box Router HOWTO"[2].
>
> >> Question B:
> >> > Is it possible to install FREESCO on top of a commercial router
> >> > (hardware, e.g. linksys, netgear etc.)
> >
> > What's FREESCO?
>
> FREESCO is a NAT/firewall router/server based on Linux and runs on a
> single 1.44MB floppy[1].

If you have a WRT54GL, and you want to use custom firmware, you
probably should use one of the disros designed specifically for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54GL#Third-party_firmware_projects

I have never heard of freesco, and it seems to use kernel 2.0.39!
The WRT54GL firmwares use 2.4.x, AFAIK


Cheers,
Kelly

Re: Switch keybord layout from the console

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/7/07, Oscar Corte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hi all:
>
>  How should be done in order to switch to "Latin-American" keyboard layout
> from the console? I'm using a very basic installation with no graphics
> desktop environment.
>
>  Thanks in advance for anny hints.

Make sure the console-tools package is installed, then review the man
page for config details.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: [sid] what package for iwl4965 and mac80211 kernel modules

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/15/07, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just switched to Sid, in order to have the iwl4965 kernel module and
> its deps.
> I just updated it to the latest on the 'fr' Debian repos (I am in
> France), but when I "modprobe iwl4965" or "modprobe mac80211", the
> module is unknown.
> I am running the Sid 2.6.22 kernel, on amd64 arch.
>
> What tips can you give me?
> I dont want to "make; make install", just use debian packaged software.


The one relevant package for 4965 seems to be "firmware-iwlwifi"
(from non-free). With linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7, I can "modprobe mac80211".
It looks like maybe the iwl4965 driver is not in the mainline kernel and does
not have a debian package at this time.

http://intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?n=Downloads does not list a
package for debian. You may have to compile it or wait a while.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: Poor Xorg performance in Etch

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/18/07, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I recently installed Etch on my new system and found X performance to be
> sluggish, particularly when using Iceape.  It appears as if there is little or
> no hardware acceleration, remeniscent of a K7 with a slow graphics card.  
> While
> scrolling a web page down (but never up), or moving windows the display
> sometimes freezes for about one second or more, with up to 100% CPU 
> utilization.
>
> My hardware is a K8M800 chipset motherboard with an Athlon64 X2 5000+ and 
> Radeon
> 7500.  I have tested all recent kernels up to and including linux 2.6.23-rc3.
> All kernel and enabled X performance options are enabled, e.g. DRI, GLX, AGP,
> on-CPU GART, color tiling.  The same graphics card had much better performance
> with Sarge even without acceleration.

Have you tried turning off some of the acceleration options?
For example turning off aiglx, or trying exe vs xaa vs noaccel.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: Version number of Lenny

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/20/07, Masatran, R. Deepak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why is it that Etch incremented the major version number (3.1 to 4.0), but
> Lenny will increment only the minor version number (4.0 to 4.1)?

Etch had a lot of major changes. Sarge had kernel 2.4 or 2.6, Etch
had just 2.6. Sarge had Xfree86 (X11R6), Etch had Xorg (X11R7).
Sarge had GCC 3.x while Etch uses 4.x. Etch has D-bus 1.0.x,
Sarge had 0.23 or some such. Oh, and Etch has the new installer.

Anyway, the changes between Etch and Lenny will not be nearly
as large as the changes between Sarge and Etch. Lenny will still
have GCC 4.x, Xorg 7.x, kernel 2.6.x, etc (minor version updates).


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Kelly


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Re: upgrading ubuntu to debian

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/30/07, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Unless you REALLY know what you're doing, upgrading from Ubuntu to
> > Debian (And vice-versa) is nearly impossible and unsupported by the
> > Debian community (If you did try it, we probably wouldn't be able to
> > help you). Too many things are done differently between the two
> > operating systems, for example, while Debian uses root to do many tasks
> > by default Ubuntu has no true root user and instead uses sudo.
>
> I dunno, I've done debian<->ubuntu (both directions) with few problems
> (this was a year or two ago).
>
> As I recall the only issues were due to some python packaging
> differences (and as I understand it, the python packging on the two
> system has converged since then) [Gee, come to think of it about 95%
> of the packaging problems I see these days (even with a pure debian
> system) seem to be related to python!]
>
> The impression I was left with from that experience was that the two
> systems are _very_ close to each other in most respects, and that a lot
> of the difference is essentially window dressing and random minor bug
> fixes here and there.
>
> Anyway, it's certainly good to know what you're doing, but it seems
> silly to say it's "nearly impossible."

I agree with this. I have never done a full Debian -> Ubuntu or
Ubuntu -> Debian transition, but I have often pulled in one or two
packages from the other distro.

My main machine is currently Sid, with Gnome, GTK and hplip
packages from Ubuntu's dev version. In the past I have installed
large numbers of packages from Ubuntu, and then gradually
moved back to pure Debian as the Debian packages caught up
or passed the Ubuntu versions.

You have to know what you are doing regarding resolving
dependency conflicts (aptitude's ncurses interface being
invaluable for this), but it is definitely possible.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: Cannot change default browser

[Kelly Clowers]

On 11/13/06, cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

* Alan Ianson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Try running update-alternatives --all. There is also a x-gnome-browser (or
> somesuch) that may need an adjustment.
>

I found x-www-browser, www-browser and gnome-www-browser.  I set them
all just in case.  I find the same result for gnome-www-browser as the
other, and even though I set it it has no effect.  So far, no matter
what I do I get epiphany, or opera if I uninstall epiphany.  BTW, I
also confirmed that the symlink in /etc/alternatives points to
firefox, which seems to indicate that the system is not even accessing
these links.

Patrick


You could just install kcontrol; it looks like it only depends on a couple
of things that kopete doesn't.

Otherwise, try opening ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
There should be an entry like this:
[General]
BrowserApplication=!/usr/bin/epiphany

Change that to firefox and hopefully you will be ready to go.
I have not tried this, and I am not responsible if your monitor explodes.


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Kelly


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Re: GPL Java

[Kelly Clowers]

On 11/14/06, Joshua J. Kugler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 04:02, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> Okay, so Java's GPL'd now: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp
> (Also http://java.net/ )
>
> How soon will we see packages in main at long last? Granted, a buildable
> JDK isn't expected until Spring of next year...

I'm going to be a real stinker here and offer my guess: never.  My first
thought when I read the announcement was: "Great, it can now be included as
the default JVM in Linux, Debian included."  But then I quickly returned to
reality and remembered the whole trademark and DFSG thing.  While Sun
released the *code* as GPL, I'm sure to be called Java, it will have to
follow certain parameters.  If that simply means passing a test suite, then
including it in Debian might be possible, but if it means Sun approving all
the patches, approving binaries, etc, then we'll probably end up with
IcedLatte, or some such "almost Java" package.

But...I could be wrong, and honestly do hope I am.

j



The equivilant of the Firefox problem would be if "Duke", the Java mascot
was under a non-free licence and Sun said the you could not use the
trademark "Java" without including Duke. But as far as I know, Sun has
not said that, and anyway, Duke has been released under the BSD licence:
https://duke.dev.java.net/


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Kelly


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Re: GPL Java

[Kelly Clowers]

On 11/14/06, Kelly Clowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The equivilant of the Firefox problem would be if "Duke", the Java mascot
was under a non-free licence and Sun said the you could not use the
trademark "Java" without including Duke. But as far as I know, Sun has
not said that, and anyway, Duke has been released under the BSD licence:
https://duke.dev.java.net/


Cheers,
Kelly


Replying to myself here...

I forgot about the Java "Coffee cup" logo, and I can't find any new info on it.

This page: http://logos.sun.com/logosite.jsp?Category=third
indicates that there are some restrictions on the logo, but it also lists
Duke, so it clearly hasn't been updated.

Currently the trademark use guidelines say you must include the logo:
http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#10e3

So I guess that aspect is still unknown, but the freeing of Duke gives me
hope that Sun will be reasonable (and hopefully for DFSG values of
"reasonable").


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Kelly


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Re: GPL Java

[Kelly Clowers]

On 11/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Last I heard, you could only use the mane "Java" if you followed Sun's
spec.  That was the core of their lawsuit with Microsoft.  But they
nevet, to my knowledge required anything but conformance to a spec,
never line-by-line approval of code changes.  This if it no longer
conforms to spec, you have to change the name.  Has that changed?  Is
that acceptable under DFSG?

-- hendrik


Well, I am no expert, but here is part of Sun's trademark policy
(from http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#10e3):


3. No Re-Logoing, Co-Logoing, or Logo Removal.

Resellers of Sun products may never alter or modify the Sun corporate
logo or Sun trademarks that are affixed to or appear on the Sun products
they resell. Similarly, re-logoing (replacing a Sun trademark with the
reseller's logo or mark) and co-logoing (adding the reseller's logo or mark
to the Sun product) are not permitted in the absence of a written agreement
with Sun.


If I understand that correctly, the question is if the logo is DFSG free.
If it is not, Debian would have to remove it, but that seems to not be
allowed by the trademark use guidelines.

If the logo is not free now, maybe they will make it free, or maybe they
will change the trademark requirements. I don't know anything about
code review requirements or lack thereof.

I expect a lively debate on debian-legal sometime between now and March :-)
(and maybe on past March as well)


Nate Duehr said:

little triangle shaped guy


That's Duke.


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Re: Newbie trying to install FrostWire.

[Kelly Clowers]

On 12/2/06, Brian Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't know if it is the time of the night here or whether it's
because I am a newbie, but I can't seem to sort this out in my head. I
thought I should write this before I do some damage, as it usually
pays to prevent problems before they happen :-)

I would like to install FrostWire http://www.frostwire.com/ which
relies on Sun Java. I googled and ended up with this HowTo that is
quite recent: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/444


You don't have to do that anymore. Just add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ testing non-free

(with your mirror and version)

then update your package list and look for the sun-java packages.


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Re: X ignores keyboard and mouse input, but shows cursor movement (etch)

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On 9/14/07, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A curious and rare (2 times since Etch became stable) X freeze or hang
> has me wondering what to do.
>
> Problem: X ignores keyboard and mouse input, but shows cursor movement
> and running apps update normally on-screen in visible windows (gkrellm,
> gaim, etc).
>
> What happened: Viewing email message in icedove, right-click to save
> image from the email, no response to mouse clicks, mouse wheel or
> keyboard input, but mouse cursor movement appears normal.  icedove
> continues to fetch new mail on schedule.  The identical symptoms
> happened once before while composing in icedove.
>
> Ssh from another box to examine:  Nothing unusual in /var/log.  Kill the
> icedove processes.  Screen shows icedove closing, then switches to VT1
> apparently from a queued earlier attempt.  Keyboard now accepts
> ctrl-alt-F7 back to X, but again is frozen to all input in X!  Just as
> it was before killing icedove.
>
> >From ssh: Restarted gdm.  All is normal.  This last line in
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is the only thing I could find that looked
> different:
> FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be
> 1; fixing.
>
> Window manager is openbox.
>
> Has anyone experienced this behavior?  Any ideas?  (Next time I'll
> remember to check .xsession-errors.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ralph Katz

I have experienced somewhat similar freezes in Unstable. The
differences are that I am using SeaMonkey 2.0a1pre (Nightlies)
for web browsing, I have never managed even a VT switch and
I am using Fluxbox. Oh, and I don't use a session manager
(GDM, etc). This has happened at least six times.

I know the Font refcount thing is not related because it always
says that when I exit X.

With such a hard freeze, that happens so sporadically, I feel
(as a non-programmer) helpless to try to figure it out.

Sorry I can't help.


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Re: X ignores keyboard and mouse input, but shows cursor movement (etch)

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/14/07, Richard A Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I regularly see a similar problem on several boxen - and have for
> quite some time.
> * Mouse cursor moves, and can select windows (maximize/minimize)
> * Can not select items in a window (firefox/etc) with mouse
> * No keyboard response in any window
>
> All boxes are Sid - kept current daily.  I first thought it might be
> hibernate/resume related - but when it started happening on my desktop
> I discounted that :)
>
> It may, however, be power related - I don't recall seeing the issue
> before I enabled conservative(amd_64 desktop) or on-demand(intel_64)
> power management.
>
> On the laptop, things are often fine until after a resume, I run ntpdate
> to correct the clock.
>
> CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE (killing the WindowMaker session) always gets me out
> of the problem, but it isn't fun.

I don't have any power management going on, and it seems like
the freeze is harder - ctrl-alt-backspace and C-A-D have no effect
at all, even after remotely killing SeaMonkey (no window selection,
either). And remotely killing X doesn't change any thing either.
Sometime the power button "soft off" (clean shutdown) works but
once only "hard off" worked.

I the past I have encountered freezes that could be solved by
C-A-BS or by remotely killing the process, but I have only had
this harder freeze since around the time etch went stable.


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AltGr on Japanese keyboard

[Kelly Clowers]

I recently got a Japanese keyboard. With a little googling
I got it working (and set up scim, but that's another matter).

However, I am unable to get AltGr aka ISO_Level3_Shift
working. LWin as compose works, and xev shows that
ralt produces "ISO_Level3_Shift", but when I type ralt+
[other key], I only get [other key].

Here is part of my xorg.conf:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Elecom Japanese Keyboard "
Driver  "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option "XkbModel"  "jp106"
Option "XkbLayout" "jp"
Option "XkbVariant""OADG109A" # correct yen symbol
Option "XkbOptions""lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin"
EndSection

I am running sid and just updated to xorg 7.3 (I didn't try
7.2 with this setup).

Anyone have any suggestions?


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Re: Up-to-date Gnome versions?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/20/07, Gabriel Parrondo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course it's not meant for final users in the same sense as ubuntu is,
> you may get some dependency problems from time to time, but nothing hard
> to solve with a few 'apt-get install ...' (don't use aptitude on a
> non-stable distro!)


I used Aptitude on testing for several years and now I am using it on unstable.
I have never had any problems with it.


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Re: AltGr on Japanese keyboard

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/20/07, Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The "jp" keyboard layout (/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/jp) does not
> seem to specify any 3rd (or 4th) level symbols. I do not know what
> you want to do with your AltGr key, but if it is to get things
> like AltGr-5 = Euro symbol, or AltGr-minus = dead macron key, you
> could try
>
> setxkbmap="us(alt-intl)+jp"
>
> or perhaps in your case
>
> setxkbmap="us(alt-intl)+jp(OADG109A)"
>
> I do not have a Japanese keyboard so I cannot test it completely.
> Please tell if this works or not.


I didn't use setxkbmap, but I applied the same idea to xorg.conf,
and it works:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Elecom Japanese Keyboard "
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "jp106"
Option  "XkbLayout" "jp,us"
Option  "XkbVariant""OADG109A,intl" # correct yen symbol
Option  "XkbOptions"
"lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin,grp:shift_toggle"
EndSection

The only thing is that in us intl mode, the keys map in a weird
combination of jp106/JP and pc105/US.

the ^ ~ key produces = + (as the key in that position would with pc105/US)
but the ¥ | key still produces ¥ | (I guess because there is no equivalent
on a pc105/US keyboard).

Anyway, this should be good enough, since I don't need the AltGr
symbols very often.

Thanks for the tip.


Cheers,
Kelly

Re: cmdline tool to search through pdf files?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 6/21/07, Tobias Nissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Bruno!
>
> Bruno Buys wrote:
> > I'd like to be able to search keywords in pdf files using cmd line
> > tools. My intention is to write shell scripts to automate heavy duty
> > keyword searching. Anyone has experience with that?
>
> As Tod wrote *most* PDFs are mainly text, i.e. not all. But for those
> which are,
>
>   pdftotext doc.pdf - | grep -i keyword
>
> is a simple method to search for keywords in a PDF-file. pdftotext is
> part of the xpdf-utils package.
>
> Regards,
> Tobias

This should work fairly well. I have these lines in my .vimrc:

autocmd BufReadPre *.pdf set ro
autocmd BufReadPost *.pdf silent %!pdftotext -nopgbrk "%" - |fmt -csw7

and I can read most PDFs I have with vim.


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Re: SELinux Suggestion

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/21/07, Mumia W.. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why is selinux in Debian at all?
>
> Have any users asked for it?

I don't know, but if it wasn't in Debian, I would ask for it.

I don't get why people seem to think SELinux is a bad thing.


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Re: Unreadable characters in aterm and rxvt

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/22/07, Mike Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had this for a long time and now I finally decided to ask about it.
> I have a weird behavior when viewing man pages in aterm or rxvt. The
> title such as "Linux System Administrator's Manual", which usually
> appears in a man page, is missing. Some of the lines run off the page
> on the right and continue at the beginning of the next line (lines are
> not neatly formatted in fixed width column). Also there are characters
> which look like rectangles with dashed border. This happens in aterm
> and rxvt, but everything is fine in xterm. It looks like a font
> problem, but I don't know where to begin to start fixing it. Could
> somebody give me some suggestions?
>
> Thank you.

My first thought is encoding issues. What is the output of "locale"?
Possibly related - Do you use plain rxvt or urxvt aka rxvt-unicode?


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Re: Unreadable characters in aterm and rxvt

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/22/07, Mike Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I have a weird behavior when viewing man pages in aterm or rxvt. ...
> > > Some of the lines run off the page
> > > on the right and continue at the beginning of the next line (lines are
> > > not neatly formatted in fixed width column). Also there are characters
> > > which look like rectangles with dashed border...
>
> > My first thought is encoding issues. What is the output of "locale"?
> > Possibly related - Do you use plain rxvt or urxvt aka rxvt-unicode?
>
> Hi,
>
> The outputs are as following:
>
> $ locale
> LANG=en_US.UTF-8



> Thanks.
> -Mike

I am not sure I am on the right track, but I am thinking maybe you
previously used a different language encoding, such as iso-8859-1,
instead of UTF-8 (I am not sure what Sarge defaulted to). Do you
have any idea if this is the case?

In any case, my understanding is that aterm and (plain) rxvt do not
handle Unicode (UTF-8) well.

The Freshmeat aterm site says:

> by Sasha Vasko - Aug 2nd 2007 10:08:16
>
> Thank you all for many years of support of aterm - it was fun.
>
> aterm 1.0.1 is probably the very last release of aterm.
> Everyone should start using rxvt-unicode as it is much more
> up-to-date and handles unicode realy well. All of the aterm's
> visual features will be and already are ported into rxvt-unicode,
> and I personally will work on rxvt-unicode exclusively from now on.

So my advise would be to install "rxvt-unicode" or "rxvt-unicode-lite"
or "rxvt-unicode-ml" (multilingual), depending on your needs. If it
displays the man pages correctly, then encoding was the problem,
and you can use urxvt instead of aterm or rxvt.

Let me know if this works. Otherwise, we can look at other possibilities.


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Re: ekiga

[Kelly Clowers]

On 9/22/07, Manu Hack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After a dist-upgrade (I'm using sid), ekiga can't be installed
> anymore.  Is there any way to install it in sid?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Manu

I have Ekiga installed in sid; right at the moment there is an
update for it which cannot be installed because new versions
of libopal and libpt have not been uploaded yet. From past
experience I would expect the new versions within a week,
but it could be much sooner (could be more than a week, but
that's fairly rare).


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Re: Random System Crashes

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/2/07, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Lately (For the past month or so) I've been experiencing random system
> crashes. My system would just completely lock up and not respond to
> anything but a power-down (I've tried switching to TTY1, among other
> things, but nothing works).
>
> I don't even know where to start diagnosing this problem...I'm looking
> for help on where to start. ANY help would be appreciated.
>
> If you need any more information just ask, besides the fact that I'm
> running Debian Lenny with a teeny bit of Sid (amd64 as well).

It may be this xorg freezing problem that some people have been
having. Can do a remote login? If so does everything seem to work
alright in the new session?

There was some discussion related to this on the list[1] a while back
and today on a blog on planet Ubuntu[2]. However, AFAIK no one has
come up with anything.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

[1]http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg01265.html
[2]http://admiralchicago.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/head-desk/


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Re: PCIe Video and Open source 3D drivers

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/7/07, Wakko Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please keep me CC'd, I've not subscribed to the list yet.
>
> I've been thinking about upgrading one of my computers but I've had
> difficulties figuring out if any PCIe video cards have open source 3D
> drivers.
>
> My current system is using an ATI FireGL X1 graphics card (R300 I think).
> I'm looking for a graphics card comparible or faster that is PCIe that open
> source 3D drivers are available.  I came across free3d.org but was unsure if
> the drivers are already available.  I read the X800 radeons were supported.
> According to some texts I've found, a FireGL V7100 has the X800 chip.
>
> Does anyone know if this will work?  I'm using SID on this machine.

If a card is supported, it shouldn't matter if it is AGP or PCIe, just as
with older cards, it does not matter if they are PCI or AGP.

I have not really heard anything about using FireGL cards, but if they
use the same chips as the consumer cards, I guess they should work.

http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon is probably the best place
to see what is supported.

AMD recently began releasing specs for ATI cards, and is working
with Open Source devs to create good drivers for all modern ATI
card, but it will be a while before there are results for end users.


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Re: PCIe Video and Open source 3D drivers

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/7/07, Wakko Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > On 10/7/07, Wakko Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Please keep me CC'd, I've not subscribed to the list yet.
> >
> > If a card is supported, it shouldn't matter if it is AGP or PCIe, just as
> > with older cards, it does not matter if they are PCI or AGP.
>
> I know that 2D is supported.  The question was 3D.  For some time, the R300
> and newer chips were 2D only and then support for 3D was available.
>
> > I have not really heard anything about using FireGL cards, but if they
> > use the same chips as the consumer cards, I guess they should work.
> >
> > http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon is probably the best place
> > to see what is supported.
>
> I've been there, but might be out of date (I did notice the last change
> date).  They list R300 and above cards as not well supported for 3D.  I don't
> know if that means that it might or might not work, but the FireGL X1 seems
> to be fairly well supported for what I've been doing with it (which is based
> on the Radeon 9700 R300 chip).
>
> I was looking at a V5100 or V7100 (both based on the X800 or X850 chip).
> But the question remains, is the R4xx chips supported in 3D?

Yes r400 is supported:
http://spearhead.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/gpus-beryl-what-is-needed/


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Re: going from Xwindows to console

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/7/07, jekillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello;
> I've installed Debian 4.1 and would like to know how to
> drop out of Xwindows into a console display. It seems
> to be different from distro to distro. I tried F1, F2, etc;
> command F1, F2, etc;
> alt F1, F2, etc
> shift F1, F2, etc
> control F1, F2, etc.
> So what is the magic incantation on Debian?
> Xwindows usually runs on tty7or  tty8 as I
> recall from Mandrake and Yellow Dog. And
> it is accessed via F7 or F8.

In X it is ctrl-alt-F?. On the consoles it is just alt-F?
X is on F7

> Another question, I have installed without
> the installation process contacting a mirror site.
> The machine is on local net and I have had
> another machine function as an http proxy
> but disabled the proxy function because someone
> discovered I was running a proxy for outbound
> net traffic and was using it to bounce request
> and tie up my network connection (static ips).

It should be possible to make the proxy work only
for your internal network.

> So, now if I want to install software from the
> cds, I assume I need a public net connection.
> Is that a correct assumption?

You can install software from the CDs without any
network at all.

> I can hook it up to a public ip address directly just
> for the sake of software installation, BUT I would
> rather not.
>
> Does Debian use tcpwrappers?

I don't know if it does by default, but the package is
certainly in the repo as libwrap and tcpd.


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Re: PCIe Video and Open source 3D drivers

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/7/07, Wakko Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I saw the X800 listed, unfortunately, ATI makes both a PCIe and an
> AGP 8x version of the card.  Not sure which they used.  If you have a clue,
> let me know.  I'll email them and ask too.

Well, I don't have any direct experience with PCIe, but my understanding
is that it should make no difference at all. PCIe should work just as well
as AGP. If you find anything that indicates otherwise, I would be
interested in hearing about it.


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Re: how can I see version changes using aptitude?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/13/07, Giorgos Pallas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello to everybody!
>
> When I was using synaptic, I remember that it showed the version changes
> for every packet that was to be upgraded.
>
> Where exactly is this information hidden? How can I see it using
> aptitude, or maybe another command-line tool? I searched the internet
> but I can't seem to find something...

Do you want to see the current version number of the packages and the
new version number? You can see that by using aptitude in interactive
mode (invoke "aptitude" instead of "aptitude upgrade").

If you mean you want to see what changes have been made to the
packages, check out apt-listchanges.


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Re: Intel NIC

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/15/07, ann kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I am looking for the NIC for linux. In the intel
> website
> 1/ I don't know what is the meaning of Scalable I/O on
> Linux.
>
>
> 2/ ls the big different between desktop and server
> card?
>
> Thank you so much
>
> http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/pro1000pt_quad_server_adapter.htm

There is a huge difference between that server card and
a desktop card.

Unless you need a card for a big corporate server (do you?),
you probably don't want that card. It has 4 Ethernet ports
and some type of off loading, which is totally unnecessary
on a desktop. Oh, and it costs hundreds of dollars.


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Re: Query about Iceape, Iceweasel

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/15/07, Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I note that the only action that I can take, when the offence occurs,
> is to twice minimise the offending browser windows that are opened by
> the application; as, as already mentioned, if I close the offending
> browser windows, it crashes the browser session, inclusing all browser
> windows open within the session, and, in Iceape, the session cannot be
> restored.

SeaMonkey aka Iceape aka Mozilla will not have session restore until
SeaMonkey 2.0 comes out, with much of the Firefox code branch
merged back in (2.0 is currently in alpha but usable (using it right now)).

I have been using the 2.0 alpha for a while now so it is hard to
remember how robust the stable version should be, but it should
definitely handle ~40 tabs. I start with almost 20 tabs open and
I average 25-35, using the same instance for several days.  When
I browse certain image boards, or start researching something I
often temporarily go over 50 tabs, and sometimes nearly 100
(usually spread over several windows).

With the 2.0 alphas going over about 40 windows is dangerous
(I have been getting some crashes with just a few tabs, but it is
alpha). The last stable build I used was good for  ~50 before
beginning to creak. Any time I have 60+ windows open, I restart
Moz as soon as I am finished researching or whatever.

I have always found Mozilla to be slightly more stable than
Firefox, but either one should now be able to handle ~40
windows. I don't really pay attention to how much ram Moz
eats, but I only have 512 (X11+Fluxbox and Amarok being
my other big apps).

I completely agree with the proposal to purge and reinstall,
and to make a new profile - it can make all the difference
in the world.

I also suggest Ad Block or Ad Block Plus and perhaps
NoScript (it is very annoying until you turn off the alerts
and teach it your main sites, then it is very good). A huge
amount of instability seems to come from ads, ad scripts
and ads that use plugins.

Also, are you using plugins other than Flash and Java?
If you are using media player plugins or in-browser pdf,
you might try it without those plugins, as they tend to
cause a lot of  trouble in my experience.


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Re: Query about Iceape, Iceweasel

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/17/07, Kelly Clowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/15/07, Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Sorry about the To/CC thing, I was so busy writing that
I forgot gmail is stupid about mailing lists.

Note to self: time to bug google about that again.


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Re: Can't upgrade to xserver-xorg, help!

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/16/07, Emre Sevinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So I'm back to where I've started, it complains about `/usr/X11R6/bin' and 
> x11-common_1%3a7.3+2_i386.deb. What am I supposed to do now? Any suggestions? 
> I tried to remove xprt:
>
> # dpkg --purge xprt
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of xprt:
>  xprt-common depends on xprt-xprintorg | xprt; however:
>   Package xprt-xprintorg is not installed.
>   Package xprt is to be removed.
> dpkg: error processing xprt (--purge):
>  dependency problems - not removing
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  Xprt
>
> # dpkg --purge xprt-common
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of xprt-common:
>  xprt depends on xprt-common.
> dpkg: error processing xprt-common (--purge):
>  dependency problems - not removing
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  xprt-common
>
> # dpkg --purge xprt-xprintorg
> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove xprt-xprintorg which isn't 
> installed.
>
> And I'm simply stuck at this point...

Jumping into the conversation late here, but I would try purging
xprt and xprt-common with one command:
"dpkg --purge xprt xprt-common"
Try reversing the order or adding more related packages if needed.

I think you could also use the "--force-depends" option:
"dpkg --purge --force-depends xprt xprt-common"

Double check that there is not anything weird in your X11R6/bin/
directory. I had problems because Opera left something in there
even when I uninstalled it (the entire X11R6 dir will be going away).


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Re: Query about Iceape, Iceweasel

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/18/07, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> About what?  Gmail did the right thing, given the information available.
> >> The peculiar constraints of this mailing list are just that; gmail has
> >> no way to detect them, so it's up to you as the reader to follow them
> >> (or instruct your MUA to do so).
> >
> > This is false and has been for years before gmail existed.
>
> "This" being?

"This" being the idea that gmail has no way to detect that this
is a mailing list. There are a number of headers in each message
that show that this a mailing list and that the address is
debian-user@lists.debian.org:

X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/500826
X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org
List-Id: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: 
List-Unsubscribe:

Precedence: list

Based on this gmail could add a "reply to list button", and if there
was a situation that required CCing, you could still use "reply to all".
A number of the better MUAs work like this.


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Re: Query about Iceape, Iceweasel

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/18/07, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Kelly Clowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> "This" being?
> >
> > "This" being the idea that gmail has no way to detect that this
> > is a mailing list.
>
> You're right, gmail can detect _that_.
>
> > Based on this gmail could add a "reply to list button"
>
> ... and it could add a button with that ("reply to list only") behavior too.
>
> However, gmail's behavior is certainly correct for "reply to all", and
> the decision over what to use (reply to list only, or reply to all) is
> up to the user -- and it's not an entirely trivial decision for the user
> either, as some lists call for one ("reply to list only"), and some call
> for the other ("reply to all") behavior, with the latter being
> traditional.

That's the problem. There is a "reply" button and a "reply to all".
If you press "reply", you get only a "To:" field with the individual
address filled in. If you press "reply to all", you get a "To:" field
with the individual address and a "Cc:" field with the list address.

You have to cut and paste the list address from "Cc:" to "To:" and
delete the individual address.

> [A better method would be to have a per-list option to enable the
> reply-to-list-only behavior -- that way only people who actually know
> what they're doing would be bothered by it.]

I agree on that.


On topic: Bret, did you get a chance to reinstall and try a new
profile? I think that should help, or at least eliminate what I
think is the most likely problem.


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Re: naive bind question

[Kelly Clowers]

On 20 Oct 2007 17:20:16 GMT, Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm working through an old-ish book on web programming. It has several
> pages of instructions on installing and running bind8 for use on a
> standalone computer. I just used aptitude to install bind9, and
> without any additional effort I think it's working. ps aux shows the
> named daemon, and I can browse the web no problems. Is that all there
> is to it? My browser seems to be a little snappier, without the usual
> lookup times, but that could be wishful thinking.

I don't think bind is set up to even do caching out of the box, but I
could be wrong. You can use the command line utility dig to see what
your name server is doing. See dig's manual page for more info.


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Re: naive bind question

[Kelly Clowers]

On 20 Oct 2007 19:09:06 GMT, Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I looked at dig and also nslookup. nslookup produces:
>
> tyler:bind-> nslookup
> > www.cbc.ca
> Server: 127.0.0.1
> Address:127.0.0.1#53
>
> Non-authoritative answer:
> www.cbc.ca  canonical name = www.cbc.ca.edgesuite.net.
> www.cbc.ca.edgesuite.netcanonical name = a1849.gc.akamai.net.
> Name:   a1849.gc.akamai.net
> Address: 142.176.121.5
> Name:   a1849.gc.akamai.net
> Address: 142.176.121.8
>
> Does this mean that I'm using 127.0.0.1 as my name server? That's what I want
> isn't it?

I'm not so good at dns, but that looks good. I think you do have a working
caching name server.

For dig try:
"dig @127.0.0.1 cbc.ca"

The @ sign means use the dns server at the following address.
The next argument is what record to look up.


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Re: Silly question: Where's eth0?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/23/07, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this must be an incredibly dumb question, but i cant find my eth0
> interface.
>
> I normally use a WiFi connection on my laptop, running Etch with Gnome.
> But i just brought the computer into an office, plugged in an Ethernet cable,
> and waited for NetworkManager to pick it up. And waited. And waited.
> Eventually i took a look at the Desktop -> Administration -> Networking tool,
> and there was not eth0 listed there, and then i ran ifconfig and eth0 isnt 
> there
> either.
>
> My /etc/network/interfaces does have "allow-hotplug eth0" in it. And i am 
> getting
> flashing lights from the plugged-in Ethernet port, so it's not a dead 
> connection.
> Why is this interface missing for me, and how do i get it back?

It is most likely due to udev. Udev does weird things to network card names.
Try using eth1 or possibly eth2. If those do not work, it may be another issue.


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Re: getting scim to work on KDE

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/24/07, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wei Chen wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> 3. Run `im-switch -c` to configure the input method for the current
> >>> user. Choose scim from the interactive user interface.
> >> This was one step I had missed. The second one was to put:
> >> #GTK_IM_MODULE=xim
> >> GTK_IM_MODULE="scim-bridge"
> >> #QT_IM_MODULE=xim
> >> QT_IM_MODULE="scim-bridge"
> >
> >> in /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim. For which I had to install scim-bridge
> >> package.
> >
> >> Then logging out and loggin back in gave me the SCIM toolbar in KDE
> >> which is toggled using CTRL+Space.
> >
> >> Thanks a ton!
> >> ->HS
> >
> >
>
> Well, something doesn't seem to be right with my setup. Scim works in
> Icedove, iceweasel and gaim. But it doesn't work in kate or konsole.
> What am I missing?

Scim is working for me in kde/qt apps. Here are my environmental
variables:

XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM"
GTK_IM_MODULE="scim"
XIM_PROGRAM="scim -d"
QT_IM_MODULE="scim"

I autostart scim with "scim -d"
I have a large number of scim related packages installed, I don't
know if all of them are relevant:
scim
scim-bridge-agent
scim-bridge-client-gtk
scim-bridge-client-qt
scim-bridge-client-qt4
scim-gtk2-immodule
scim-qtimm
scim-uim
(plus lots of jp specific scim tools)

I have these in a different file, but that shouldn't change anything.
I based my setup on a tutorial on the Ubuntu Forums.

You could also check out skim, which is some sort of KDE
frontend for scim.


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Re: getting scim to work on KDE

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/24/07, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I tried with xcim:
> $> cat .xinput.d/en_CA
> #
> # Use "X input Method" for all applications
> #
> # Per Ming's Documentation in SCIM, XIM Input Method is activated
> # not only for old X-applications but also for GTK and QT appplication.
> #
> # If a user wish to use, GTK Input Method, (s)he can right-click input
> # area and select "Input Methods" and change from "X input Method" to
> # "SCIM Input Method".
> #
>
> XIM=SCIM
> XIM_PROGRAM=/usr/bin/scim
> XIM_ARGS="-d"
> GTK_IM_MODULE=xim
> #GTK_IM_MODULE="scim"
> QT_IM_MODULE=xim
> #QT_IM_MODULE="scim"
> DEPENDS="scim,scim-anthy|scim-canna|scim-chewing|scim-pinyin|scim-hangle|scim-prime|scim-skk|scim-tables-additional|scim-m17n|scim-uim|scim-tables-ja|scim-tables-ko|scim-tables-zh"
>
> With xim, it doesn't work at all. I just get the scim keyboard in the
> panel but not its toolbar and neither can I change the input.
>
> Using scim, however, it works except in KDE applications.
>
> Here are the packages I have related to scim:
> $> dpkg -l *scim* *m17n* | grep ^i | gawk '{print $2}'
> libm17n-0
> libscim8c2a
> m17n-contrib
> m17n-db
> scim
> scim-bridge
> scim-bridge-agent
> scim-bridge-client-gtk
> scim-bridge-client-qt
> scim-gtk2-immodule
> scim-m17n
> scim-modules-socket
>
>
> Any other suggestions?

Not any really great ones, but you could check your environmental variables
(type "env" on the command line) to make sure they are right (environmental
variables can be overridden depending on the read order of files they are in).

XIM_PROGRAM=scim -d
QT_IM_MODULE=scim
GTK_IM_MODULE=scim
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(I am not using scim-bridge, I think it is just a way to work around C++
version issues, which you shouldn't have in Debian)


Also, are you using Debian stable or testing or what?

In the scim setup window, does your input method have its own listing under
"IMEngine"? If so, does it have an on/off or trigger setting that
agrees with the
"global setup" setting? (I am not sure this is needed, but that is how mine is.)


These might help:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu


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Re: aptitude upgrade through proxy

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/24/07, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've used http_proxy/ftp_proxy to enable apt-get to download packages
> through a proxy server whenever required.
>
> However I've tried the same environment variables with aptitude with
> no luck...  Looks like aptitude doesn't pay attention to them.  Does
> any one know how to overcome this?  Also, I liked the environment
> variables solution because it can be temporally enabled/disabled,
> without having to edit a config file everytime one wants to change...
> I've tried looking in the man page, but didn't find anything...

That's strange, I have used aptitude with http_proxy and not had
any problems.

I don't have any good ideas to try, unfortunately.


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Re: getting scim to work on KDE

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/24/07, Wei Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is the first time that I hear of skim. I just looked into it
> briefly. It looks very interesting. However, it seems that it does not
> follow the standard im-switch launching convention, which may cause
> problems when I occasionally switch to another desktop environment /
> window manager. Is there an im-switch port of skim available? Thanks.

I don't know much about skim, as I don't use it, or KDE (I use Fluxbox
and wmii). As far as I know, there is no im-switch version. It seems to
be happy to be a very kde-centric app.


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Re: Squid setup question

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/24/07, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to squid (installed it today) and I'm following
> the instructions at the squid wiki. I'm finding them to
> be confusing and I wonder if anyone can recommend instructions
> that are specific to Debian and are specific to version
> 2.6. My immediate problem is that the wiki says to do
> testing of ones setup with a program that thay call
> 'squidclient' and sometimes just 'client'. But the squid
> package in Etch didn't install such a program. What is the
> Debian name for the program for doing testing? Help!
>
> Also, it seems that one must do a cgi stript to make ones
> browser actually use squid. Is this true? I have a feeling
> that the instructions I've found don't really apply to
> the program I have - different version or something.
>
> I'm hoping I can get squid working so that I can speed
> up access to a web site that I want to use often but
> is very slow to load. I can tell the information is not
> really changing - just something goofy in its setup.
>
> I only want to access the cache from the one computer
> on which it is running - purely localhost - really simple,
> but I stuck.
>

This might help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71


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Re: Best Kernel?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/27/07, Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an AMD Sempron 2800+ processor with 1 Gig of ram.  I am currently
> using the 2.6.22-2-486 kernel from Lenny.  I want to install a different
> kernel so I can get the full use of my 1 Gig of ram.  I was looking
> through the options and found the following:
>
> linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
> linux-image-2.6.22-2-686-bigmem
> linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64
>
> First off, can I use the amd64 kernel with a Sempron processor?  I am
> not sure if it has support for 64 bit programs.  If not, of the other
> two, which would be the best option for me?

The cpuid program should be able to tell you if you have a 32 bit
Sempron or a 64 bit Sempron. Even if you have a Sempron64, I
am not sure if you can/should run a 64 bit kernel while using
Debian's i386 arch.

In any case, the the k7 kernel will be better than the 486.

> And, when I am ready to upgrade, do I just run an apt-get install
> linux-image-2.6.22-2-*?

Yes, but you may want to install the k7 meta-package, which
always depends on a recent k7 kernel, so you don't have to
manually update your kernel image. Just install linux-image-k7
and it will do the rest.


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Re: Best Kernel?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/27/07, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > The cpuid program should be able to tell you if you have a 32 bit
> > Sempron or a 64 bit Sempron. Even if you have a Sempron64, I
> > am not sure if you can/should run a 64 bit kernel while using
> > Debian's i386 arch.
>
> No, you need to use a complete 64bit userland for using amd64,
> translation: You have to reinstall your machine.

I thought that was the case, but I wasn't 100% sure.

> >
> > In any case, the the k7 kernel will be better than the 486.
> >
> >> And, when I am ready to upgrade, do I just run an apt-get install
> >> linux-image-2.6.22-2-*?
> >
> > Yes, but you may want to install the k7 meta-package, which
> > always depends on a recent k7 kernel, so you don't have to
> > manually update your kernel image. Just install linux-image-k7
> > and it will do the rest.
>
> Well, if you have modules compiled against your actual kernel and in a
> full-upgrade magically upgrades your kernel you're gonna live a
> nightmare next time you reboot your machine. But if you don't build
> specific modules to your kernel then go ahead :-).

Oh, well, yeah, if you have out-of-source modules, that will cause some
issues. I knew that, but didn't remember to mention it, because I don't
use those kind of modules myself. Thank for catching that.


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Re: What is a binNMU?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 10/28/07, Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like to use wajig as a frontend to apt but it has been removed from
> Sid because it depends on python-apt, which is also missing,  apparently
> because of a binNMU connected with apt. I have no idea what a binNMU is.
> Googling produces a lot of uses of the term but no explanation. I have
> used Debian for a number of years but this is the first time I've heard
> of it.
>
> There was an upgrade of apt yesterday but this did not solve the
> problem. Can someone kindly enlighten me about binNMU or point me to
> some documentation about it?

I can install wajig fine on my sid box. I have not upgraded to apt 0.7.8
from 0.7.6 yet, as aptitude has not been updated to handle the new
version. Python-apt, which wajig depends on, has not yet been updated
either. However, it sounds like this happened before the latest apt update?
Was your wajig actually removed or is it just not possible to upgrade it?
If the latter, does it show a broken state if you try to upgrade or does it
show  as the next available version?


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Re: Development Enviroment

[Kelly Clowers]

On Nov 2, 2007 7:21 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looking for IDE or RAD development environments application (KDE)
> for Java, Perl, Lisp.
>
> On the Macintosh, we had toolbox which had all the libraries, and objects,
> to program in several languages.
>
> Doesn't (KDE) offer this too ?
> if so, which application gui would work ?

Some people that develop KDE apps use KDevelop. It is C++ and KDE
focused, but has support for Java and Perl (I don't know about Lisp). Java
Devs often use Eclipse (Eclipse supports languages besides Java, but I
don't know specifically about Perl and Lisp) or NetBeans. I  guess most
Perl and Lisp Devs would use text editors, like Vim, Nedit and Emacs
(Emacs has a particularly good Lisp editing mode, since it is written in Lisp).

You will need to install the libraries yourself.


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Re: Programmers Text Editor

[Kelly Clowers]

On Nov 3, 2007 2:02 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looking to get into programming for linux,
> would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
>
> What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
> or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
>
> (please no: emacs or vi (or command line apps)
>
> wanting something that would be better than xcode on the mac,
> which contain all libraries, and syntax for dozen of languages,
> it just made it easier to type and see a drop down command choice,
> from the contextual menu. with a built-in debugger..neat.

I am not much of a programmer, and I haven't used XCode, but
I don't think you will find anything comparable to XCode on Linux.
OS X is developed entirely by one company from top to bottom,
and it is guided by one man's vision. XCode is developed by the
same company.

"Linux", on the other hand, is a bundle of hundreds or thousands
of separate parts, all developed by different companies,
organizations, or individuals. Many of the components have the
same or overlapping goals. "Linux" is a huge, messy ecosystem
of software, and it would be just about impossible to create an
IDE that is to Linux as XCode is to OS X.

Anyway, besides the previously mentioned KDevelop, Eclipse
and NetBeans, there is Ajunta (Gnome), IntelliJ IDEA (proprietary,
costs $), JBuilder (costs $, built on Eclipse), and Komodo
(free and $ versions). There are others but those are some of
the most well known (also, each one of those does not
necessarily support all of [Java, Lisp, Perl]).


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Re: multimedia driver support questions...

[Kelly Clowers]

On Nov 4, 2007 8:33 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> running Debian Etch.   I have an HP slimline 3120 (AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual
> Core Processor 4200+)
> with an MCP51 chipset providing HDA sound.
>
> sound quibble:
> -- when I plug my speakers into 'front' speaker jack (green in the pack)
> I only get a mono signal, and output only on the right channel.
>-- if I plug into the jack for these 2.1 speakers into the earphone jack,
> and I get stereo. but the balance doesn't work.

MCP51 audio seems to be a major pain. For example, google "MCP51 alsa"

And here is a 13 page thread spanning over a year on the problem:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239995


> Tuner card:
>   -- There is a tv tuner in the PCI slot.  I think it is this thing (from
> lspci -v)
>
> 02:09.0 Multimedia controller: Unknown device 1745:2100
> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 48a3
> Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11
> Memory at fde0 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=1M]
> Memory at fdbe (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
>
>
> Any idea how to get video4linux to recognize it, so that I can have mythtv
> use it?

After much googling, it seems to be a ViXS (1745) PureTV-U (2100) device
aka ViXS XCode 2100. I am seeing very little info on it at all and basically
nothing linux related. Don't get you hopes up.


> Multimedia card reader:
>   There is one on the front of the case, but I can see nothing in lspci
> or lsusb which would indicate
> what device this is.  It doesn't work.

Can you look inside and see what kind cable it uses (USB, IDE, SATA)?

Definitely not a computer designed with Linux in mind.
Sorry I can't help more.


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Re: List of packages on a Debian / Ubuntu system

[Kelly Clowers]

On Nov 5, 2007 7:26 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sure I am overlooking something, but after scouring the dpkg
> documentation, I cannot find the options that tell me a list of all
> packages that are installed on my system and the time/date on which
> they were installed and/or updated.
>
> What I am looking for is something similar to rpm -qa, but for Debian-
> based Ubuntu systems, and also with some date information for each
> package (such as an installation log).
>
> Thanks in advance!

dpkg --get-selections will list installed packages.

/var/log/dpkg and /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/aptitude have some
install-related stuff, but you would need to do some work to get the
date packages where installed. I don't know of any other way.


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Nov 6, 2007 3:15 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:

Is it already that time of year?
This is always fun, thanks for doing it, Tshepang.

> audio editor:
Audacity

> audio player:
Amarok

> cd-ripper:
Sound-Juicer

> desktop OR window manager:
wmii, fluxbox

> DBMS:
Postgresql

> development:
> *
>
> disc burner:
k3b

> e-mail client:
none (gmail)

> file manager:
vifm, Konqueror

> finance:
KMyMoney

> ftp client:
Konqueror

> image editor:
Krita

> image viewer:
gthumb, fbi

> instant messenger:
psi

> mathematics:
wcalc

> misc utilities:
ssh, screen, sudo, scim, wget, lsof, ip (iproute2), git, svn, mr

> news:
Pan (assuming news = NNTP)

> p2p:
transmission

> package manager:
aptitude

> pdf-reader:
evince

> spreadsheet:
KSpread

> tag editor:
Amarok

> terminal emulator:
urxvt

> text editor:
vim

> video player:
gxine

> web browser:
SeaMonkey

> word-processor:
KWord

> anything unreleased and anticipated:
KDE4, Amarok2, KOffice2, Firefox3, GVFS/GIO

> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
Xorg, Linux Kernel, GCC, D-Bus, HAL, PulseAudio, ConsoleKit, PolicyKit,
PackageKit, Network-Manager, bash, vim, Debian, git, ikiwiki

> games:
Frozen Bubble

> non-free:
Starcraft, Civ3

Feed reader (RSS/Atom):
Newsfox (SeaMonkey/Firefox extension)

Download Manager:
wget

web server:
apache

web framework:
ikiwiki

other servers:
sshd, PowerDNS, MIT Kerberos, OpenLDAP


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Programmers Text Editor

[Kelly Clowers]

On Nov 6, 2007 9:30 AM, Allan Wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
> > saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure 
> > what
> > and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
> > indentations.
>
> The normal PC keyboards do put escape far away, and close to the F1.  If
> it really bothers you then a Happy Hacking Keyboard will make big
> positive difference for you.
>
> F1 pulls up help with vim here and does nothing else.  Have you
> considered remapping F1 to Esc?  I have not looked into it, but I am
> sure it is possible.  q + something starts recording (of macro), and you
> stop that by pressing q.

Ctrl+[  is handy, especially if you have turned Caps Lock into a Ctrl key.

And, yes, you can use an map command in ~/.vimrc to use something
else as escape.


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Re: shopping for an HTML editor

[Kelly Clowers]

On 1/25/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thursday 25 January 2007 01:12, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > said:
> >  Sorry wrong wording on my part. When I said "it should look exactly
> >  as it would appear on the net", I meant the editor to have a WYSIWYG
> >  way of editing html pages.
> >
> >  HTML editing should be as easy as writing a texmacs or a word
> >  document. It should not any complicated than that! There is no
> >  misguidance there. nvu was doing the job just fine. I was merely
> >  looking for a replacement for nvu.
>
> If you like nvu, then why not just use the tarball from nvu.com.  I know
> it says that it is for Sid (and also says that it was built on Linspire)
> but I just DL'd it to my Etch box and it seems to be working after just
> untarring it.  What have you got to lose but the time it takes to DL?
>

upgrades, bug fixes etc., wont be as smooth as it would be if the package is
in Debian. Tracking a software outside Debian is always a pain in the neck
IMHO.

raju


Nvu has not had any significant upgrades since 1.0 and the version that was in
Debian didn't have many bug-fixes either (my packages says version 1.0final-1).

A new HTML editor using Gecko 1.9 is being worked on (Nvu uses 1.7 I think),
but it is not even in beta yet and it looks like it will have a
different name. So
the Debian package has minimal advantages.



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Kelly


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Re: Google no longer searches newsgroups?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 2/18/07, Roby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Looks like Google has dropped archive searches of newsgroups.
Anybody have any suggestions of what to use now?


They didn't drop it. Just click "more" (above the search bar) and then "groups".


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Re: print a sample of all fonts?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 26 Jan 2008 21:53:56 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>is there a way to have gimp or whatever print a sample of each
> font on the system without manually writing them all out? tia.

Gnome-specimen is a really nice font preview app that may have
this ability, but I think it is very new, and it seems to be available
only in testing.


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Re: Pulseaudio to replace ESD in lenny?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 26, 2008 8:03 PM, Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> RH 8 has switched to pulseaudio, SUSE is considering it. I was wondering
> what was on the mind of the Debian developers. Are they considering
> switching to it at some point in the future?
>
> For you users who have tried pulseaudio, I have two questions: Did you
> go back to esd or not? Why?

I love PulseAudio! I used to run KDE, and I quickly decided to disable
and remove arts - it was very unstable and flaky. Then I used Fluxbox
and other WMs. I tried esd, but found it as bad as arts. So for a long
time I used bare ALSA (not even any dmix). At the beginning of this
month, I got around to setting up PA, and it works great!

I have had no problem mixing sounds, and no problems getting things
to play.  Mplayer, Xine and SDL all have pulse support, and vlc is
working fine, thanks to alsa emulation. Thanks to a third party library
called et-sdl-sound, even Quake III works fine. All this is on Sid btw.

Anyway, it is so hassle-free and good that it seems like I have been
using it for much longer than 3-4 weeks. I wouldn't go back to bare
alsa, and certainly not arts or esd.


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Kelly Clowers


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Re: wine broken after Etch reinstall

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 26, 2008 4:09 PM, tom arnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> i solved the problem by installing wine from source (the latest version), then
> reinstalling Chessbase.
>
> question: is the difference likely to be that i put the newest wine version on
> my system, or simply that i installed from source?

Hard to say, but in my experience, wine will work with a particular
program fine for several versions, then break (partially or completely)
for a version or two, then work again.


In any case it is possible to up-to-date debs from here:
http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb

They have an etch version now, and it is possible to use the Ubuntu
versions on Debian - I am using Sid with the Ubuntu Gutsy wine debs.

Even when the main Debian Wine has been up-to-date, I have had
better luck with the above-mentioned version.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: Brief question as to the Linux kernel in use in the Stable version of Etch

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 26, 2008 9:48 PM, dick thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have looked all through the info and the best I can find is that Etch
> uses version 2.6.18 of the Linux kernel.  Since the stable version was
> put out there in the early part of Jan 2008, that seems like a very old
> version to be releasing.

Debian 4.0, Etch, was released April 8th, 2007.  Linux kernel 2.6.18
was released September 20th, 2006.

> Am I right that this is the version in use?
Yes, 2.6.18 is the Etch kernel, but see below.

> If so that does not support my ethernet connection and I will have to
> look elsewhere for a Linux to use.

Debian backports (backports.org) has 2.6.22 kernels for etch:
http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image


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Re: enable keyboard special buttons

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 27, 2008 5:17 AM, Bogdan Marian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Bogdan Marian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:09:54 +0200
> Subject: enable keyboard special buttons
> Hey,
>
> I know this is silly :D, but how do I enable the "mail", "calc" and
> other similar buttons on my keyboard? i'm using kde 3.5.8 on debian etch
> and the keyboard layout is US

There is good information here:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys#Assigning_keys_to_special_functions

The first part about finding the raw keycodes, etc. is probably not
needed nowadays. As the wiki says, multimedia apps often have
support for the media control key (mute, play, volume, etc.)

Many Window Managers and Desktop Environments have support
for the app launcher keys, and xbindkeys can be used in WMs that
do not have support.


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Kelly Clowers


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Re: upgrading X in sid

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 28, 2008 6:29 AM, charlie derr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a laptop with a native resolution of 1900x1200 which has been working 
> fine for the past year an a half.
>
> This weekend I upgraded (which included both X and kde) in unstable/sid and 
> now I find that my X session is being rendered
> (according to xvidtune) at 1680x1050
>
> What's odd is that the relevant section from  /etc/X11/xorg.conf (pasted 
> below) wouldn't seem to allow that.
>
> Anyone know what's going on?   The only explanation that makes sense to me is 
> that Xorg now directly queries the graphics
> subsystem and essentially ignores what's been set in xorg.conf.  I'm 
> definitely interested in knowing how to get back the full
> 1900x1200 resolution.
>

Here is what part of my xorg.conf looks like:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "G90f-2"
Option  "DPMS"
Option  "PreferredMode" "1600x1200"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Default Screen"
Device  "ATI RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]"
Monitor "G90f-2"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
#Modes  "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
EndSection

As you can see the "modes" are commented out, and monitor
has a "preferredmode". Unfortunately I don't remember what
blog post pointed me in this direction and I don't know what
variant methods might work, if this particular setup do the job.

Hopefully this will be of some help.


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Re: upgrading X in sid

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 28, 2008 8:06 AM, Kelly Clowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 6:29 AM, charlie derr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a laptop with a native resolution of 1900x1200 which has been 
> > working fine for the past year an a half.
> >
> > This weekend I upgraded (which included both X and kde) in unstable/sid and 
> > now I find that my X session is being rendered
> > (according to xvidtune) at 1680x1050
> >
> > What's odd is that the relevant section from  /etc/X11/xorg.conf (pasted 
> > below) wouldn't seem to allow that.
> >
> > Anyone know what's going on?   The only explanation that makes sense to me 
> > is that Xorg now directly queries the graphics
> > subsystem and essentially ignores what's been set in xorg.conf.  I'm 
> > definitely interested in knowing how to get back the full
> > 1900x1200 resolution.
> >
>
> Here is what part of my xorg.conf looks like:
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier  "G90f-2"
> Option  "DPMS"
> Option  "PreferredMode" "1600x1200"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier  "Default Screen"
> Device  "ATI RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]"
> Monitor "G90f-2"
> DefaultDepth24
> SubSection "Display"
> #Modes  "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> As you can see the "modes" are commented out, and monitor
> has a "preferredmode". Unfortunately I don't remember what
> blog post pointed me in this direction and I don't know what
> variant methods might work, if this particular setup do the job.
>
> Hopefully this will be of some help.

Followup - I found this page:
http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12

which mentions dropping the screen/display/modes section
and the vertical and horizontal specs. Further down, it
mentions the use of "preferredmode", although in a more
complex way (with  modeline).

P.S. gmail's "update conversation" shows that this is now
redundant, but since I already wrote it, I guess I'll post it.


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Re: Pulseaudio to replace ESD in lenny?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Jan 28, 2008 10:20 AM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 09:32:38PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 2008 8:03 PM, Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > RH 8 has switched to pulseaudio, SUSE is considering it. I was wondering
> > > what was on the mind of the Debian developers. Are they considering
> > > switching to it at some point in the future?
> > >
> > > For you users who have tried pulseaudio, I have two questions: Did you
> > > go back to esd or not? Why?
> >
> > I love PulseAudio! ...
> ...
>
> > Anyway, it is so hassle-free and good that it seems like I have been
> > using it for much longer than 3-4 weeks. I wouldn't go back to bare
> > alsa, and certainly not arts or esd.
>
> have you used it networked yet? I'm thinking of it as a solution for
> whole house stereo ;-) with boxes in enough strategic rooms of the
> house already, I'm thinking PA would be a good choice to stream audio
> to those machines from a central control point.

I haven't tried networking yet. Right now I only have one comp, although
I suppose I could setup PA on my grandmother's computer (or wait for
Hardy).


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Re: Xorg problems dpkg-reconfigure

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 2, 2008 9:06 AM, Der Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> startx enters me fine into fluxbox but mouse doesn't work, looks like
> X detects automatically resolution and driver card cause startx enters
> me into fluxbox even if i don't have an xorg.conf but still mouse
> doesn't work as it should be.



> xorg.conf is:
>
>
> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
> #
> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
> # values from the debconf database.
> #
> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
> #
> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
> # package.
> #
> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
> # again, run the following command:
> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
> Driver  "kbd"
> Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
> Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
> Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
> Driver  "mouse"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
> Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier  "Configured Monitor"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier  "Default Screen"
> Monitor "Configured Monitor"
> EndSection
>
>
>

Try adding a "device" option to the mouse section:

 Section "InputDevice"
 Identifier "Configured Mouse"
 Driver  "mouse"
 Option "Device""/dev/input/mice"
 EndSection


And possibly a protocol option, such as:

Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"

You may not need this or the protocol "auto" may work.
See "man mouse" for more protocols.


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Re: Xorg problems dpkg-reconfigure

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 2, 2008 10:10 AM, Der Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, my issue really is to make 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'  to
> work, to be able to generate a full xorg.conf with it, i don't know
> why it only asks me keyboard options only and then it closes. The
> xorg.conf below was generated using:  'dpkg-reconfigure -plow
> xserver-xorg'

I think the debconf stuff for xorg has been changed, due to the fact
that xorg now works (or should work) with a very minimal xorg.conf.
The goal the upstream xorg devs are approaching is to be able to
run X without any conf file at all.

I just found some related information:
http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XSFTODO


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Kelly Clowers]

2008/2/3 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sounds great, but the only thing that really makes me interested is
> the full keyboard control, as none of the other features I need. I'll
> start looking for Tbird extensions that might help, or I'll learn to
> write my own. I'm glad I asked, though. Thanks.
>

My understanding is that XUL's shortcut/keybinding system is
inherently weird and/or underpowered, making it difficult to
put good keybindings in the apps or in extensions. I guess
it has been done in Vimperator (vim-like FF), but as far as I
know, Muttator is purely theoretical at this point.


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Re: Colours in VIM-AbiWord

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 4, 2008 9:38 AM, Paul Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon February 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > AbiWord is much lighter & smaller than OOo.
> I saw AbiWord when I installed ... another distro ( Pu..y ...)
> but I never used it. is abiword just a word processor, as opposed to a full
> suite, like OO ??
> does it do .DOC conversion? smaller & lighter normally means less features.
> But I really don't use THAT many features of OO..

Abiword is just a word processor, and it does work with .doc, although
I don't know how well compared to OOo. It has more than enough
features for me, but I don't use it much mainly because it doesn't save
as .odt by default.


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 5, 2008 9:11 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 02/05/08 22:27, s. keeling wrote:
> >
> > I come from the dark ages.  For me, it's important that the tools I
> > use write files that anything can deal with, not just the app which
> > created them.  Mutt handles any standard form of mail box format,
> > including on_some_other_server(don't much care how), aka. imap.
> >
> > The guis, in my experience, save in their own format (If you let them?
>
> That's just not true.
>
> Well, ok, it's *partially* true: Outlook stores mail in a
> proprietary indexed format.
>
> But Netscape and it's descendants all use mbox as the native format,
> as does Evolution & KMail.  Sylpheed uses mh, which is also a
> standardized text format.
>
> The only non-standard bit about these mailers is the directory where
>  they decide to store these mbox files.

But there are four types of mbox, and Thunderbird and SeaMonkey use
a variant of one of those (although TB3 will finally support maildir).


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 5, 2008 8:27 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> email was intended to be ASCII (or something discernable as it), and
> we have MIME attachments to deal with the rest.  I don't need or want
> anything more than that from email.  Apologies to those (the rest of
> the Universe) for which ASCII is inappropriate.  For me, email is
> text.  My text (English) is ASCII.

I agree that email should be text, not html, and that it should be saved
in a standard format (but which one? All mbox varieties have problems,
MH format has problems, and Maildir and Maildir++ have problems).

However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii.  This is
2008 and the planet is more united than it has ever been. Unicode,
particularly utf-8 should be and is the new standard. Users of the
Latin alphabet, and especially English speakers, have no reason
to complain since utf-8 is backwards compatible with ascii.

Any slight disadvantages unicode might have are more than
outweighed by the communication barriers it breaks down.


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Re: [OT] Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 5, 2008 10:33 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >  On 02/05/08 22:27, s. keeling wrote:
> > > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >>  On 05/02/2008, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> On Feb 4, 5:20 pm, "Steve Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > It all depends on the work habits of the individual user.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, you can say that about anything, right? The OP asked what
> > >>> he was missing, so he's soliciting the opinions of people with
> > >>> different work habits.
> > >>  Exactly. I asked because I'm certain that there are those with
> > >>  more experience and more efficient workflows than myself. So I
> > >>  ask.
> > >
> > > I come from the dark ages.  For me, it's important that the tools
> > > I use write files that anything can deal with, not just the app
> > > which created them.  Mutt handles any standard form of mail box
> > > format, including on_some_other_server(don't much care how),
> > > aka. imap.
> > >
> > > The guis, in my experience, save in their own format (If you let
> > > them?
> >
> >  That's just not true.
> >
> >  Well, ok, it's *partially* true: Outlook stores mail in a
> >  But Netscape and it's descendants all use mbox as the native format,
>
> As you're well aware :-), Lookout! doesn't count here.
>
> I was thinking tbird.  I recently tried to help a noob slurp in his
> old tbird mails.  Are you saying that data file was mbox?!?  It looked
> binary to me.

Moz et al uses a modified mboxrd format. It shouldn't
look binary, but it might look scary if you looked in the
[folder name].msf file, instead of the plain [folder name]
file.

The msf file is some sort of extra file that Mozilla uses.
It is in the (text) Mork format, which any Mozilla dev will
admit is one of the worst things ever invented (which is
why Mork and several other formats are being
abandoned for sqlite).


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Re: reliable editting of any PDF file

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to
> papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are
> supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you 
> rarely
> do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you
> see it properly, not to edit it).
>
> I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting,
> notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ...
>
> thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in.

Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get
annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed
back, and according  to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24
(due this fall).  In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports
annotations and there is a native Linux version.

[1] http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Roadmap


Cheers,
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Re: reliable editting of any PDF file

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 12, 2008 9:27 PM, Kushal Kumaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/okular
>
> Experimental package, and requires kde4, though.  And I've never used it 
> myself.

Interesting, I thought the reason Evince didn't have annotations was
that poppler
did not support it yet, but it obviously has at least some support, as
poppler is
Okular's pdf lib. I guess the Gnome guys just haven't added the UI for it.


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Re: right click and resize selected images in Konqueror

[Kelly Clowers]

On Feb 13, 2008 4:44 PM, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a package like nautilus-image-converter for KDE?
>
> This is for a person beginning to learn how to use KDE for usual common
> tasks: browsing, emailing, documents, etc. He wants to send pictures via
> email but wants to resize them to a smaller size before attaching. I
> looked around and discovered nautilus-image-converter does exactly that
> (as does Windows XP Image Resizer powertoy). I have already installed
> nautilus-image-converter on his computer and he is happy with that
> functionality, but he prefers KDE. Something  like this KDE which can be
> installed via apt-get?

Gwenview (KDE4 default image viewer (also available in KDE3) and Kview
(KDE3 default image viewer)  should both be able to do that.


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Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I haven't googled this, but in looking around for a flatpanel LCD
>  monitor, what are the positive things to look for and the negative
>  things to avoid? Since the world is moving to flatpanels...

I found this LCD buying guide on the Anandtech forums very useful:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y


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Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I haven't googled this, but in looking around for a flatpanel LCD
>  monitor, what are the positive things to look for and the negative
>  things to avoid? Since the world is moving to flatpanels...

Now that I have more time to write, I will follow up on my previous email.
My family got my grandmother an LCD for Christmas and we went with
a 22" TN type for cost reasons. It is quite acceptable for the use it gets
but there is a just noticable gradient in brightness from top to bottom
(brighter at the bottom). This may be annoying to you, especially if you
use it for hours at a time. It doesn't bother me for the short times I use
my grandmothers computer, but if/when I get an LCD for myself, I will
avoid TN panels, which frequently have this issue. Currently, most 22"
LCDs are TNs.


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Re: mail vs. Mutt

[Kelly Clowers]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>  Hash: SHA1
>
>  On 02/15/08 10:47, Andrius wrote:
>
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
>  >> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
>  >>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
>  >>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
>  >>> command 'Mail'?
>  >>
>  >> What the hell does that mean?
>  >
>
> > That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
>
>  You're a n00b.  Stop philosophizing and just start using a standard
>  GUI mail client that fits well with your desktop.  KMail for KDE;
>  Icedove or Evolution for GNOME.

I fail to see why not using "a standard GUI mail client" is n00bish.
Advocating ever more basic systems for reading mail may be silly,
(or may not be) but a n00b is unlikely to even know about mutt and
mail.


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Re: how to get pulseaudio working?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Bruno Boettcher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
>
>  am trying to get the replication of audio working, no success so far...
>
>  i read through the docu at the pulseaudio pages, which i can't really
>  apply since i am running gnome, and as it seems gnome allready starts up
>  a pulseaudio daemon
>
>  on the laptop i use for the tests, all seems fine, i also installed on
>  all machines the pulseaudio device chooser.
>
>  on the laptop i can start up the volume control, the manager and all
>  pulse related tools, but when i run audacious the sounds comes out very
>  awfully means 10ms of music, then 1s pause repeated ..
>  but this is maybe beacause of the laptop which isn't very powerful
>
>  so i tryed to make the laptop a slave of the server
>
>  but on the server i get an access denied when i try to start up most of
>  the pulseaudio  utils, no access to the volume-manager , the manager
>  shows only a completely empty record the configurator has all fields
>  highlighted so server and cleint should be activated, and no auth
>  needed
>
>  when i select the pulseaudio output on audacious, the sound vanishes
>  completely
>
>  besides, on the server i see on the pulseaudio device chooser the
>  laptop, as i do on the laptop itself, but on none i see the server
>
>  so i am quite at a loss on what to do, no error messages are displayed,
>neither in messages, nor in any pulse-log i could find... no errors
>in the .X* logs have no idea on how to diagnostice this thing and
>get it running...


Let's start with the laptop, and local PA only. If you want remote
capability, we can look at that once we get local sound working.

You say the laptop  isn't very powerful, but what exactly does that
mean?

What version of Debian are you using?

Are you using the "perfect setup" docs?
( http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup )

You say Audacious stutters, have you tried other apps?  Do they have
the same problem?

If there is anything in the logs, it would probably be in the syslog or
user log.


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Kelly Clowers


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Fwd: Nvidia to Intel

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Frank McCormick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just went back to the straight Intel video driver for the
>  on-board video on my Sid installation. I was running an older Nvidia
>  card but got tired of trying to keep the driver up to the kernel.
>
>  What I didn't realize was how slow the Intel video is - in Firefox for
>  example I can almost see the top half of the page painted!
>
>  I am running an Intel D865GBF board from a few years ago, with a 2.6
>  GHZ dual core and a gig of memory.
>
>  I have run dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg but it didn't ak any
>  questions about video. Seems that what it does now.

They have been changing the way debconf works for xorg, now
that xorg is increasingly capable of running with a more minimal
xorg.conf (or none at all).

>
>  Am I missing something or do I have to go back to Nvidia to get some
>  decent video speed?

Have you tried both EXA and XAA? Also check lsmod to see if the drm
and  i915 kernel modules are being used, and see if there are any
errors or warnings in the xorg log.

As far as annoying video cards go, I wanted some 3D, but couldn't
stand the "nvidia" driver, much less "fglrx", so I got a 9250 (~$45)
which has full 2d and 3d with the open "radeon" driver. It plays
Quake III, so I'm happy. I'll probably upgrade to a recent Radeon
once the "RadeonHD" driver is ready.


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Re: Fwd: Nvidia to Intel

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Frank McCormick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:49:37 -0800
>  Kelly Clowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Frank McCormick
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I just went back to the straight Intel video driver for the
>  > >  on-board video on my Sid installation. I was running an older
>  > > Nvidia card but got tired of trying to keep the driver up to the
>  > > kernel.
>  > >
>  >
>  > >
>
> > >  Am I missing something or do I have to go back to Nvidia to get
>  > > some decent video speed?
>  >
>  > Have you tried both EXA and XAA?
>
>   I assume they'd have to go into xorg.conf somehow..how?

In section "Device"

   Option  "AccelMethod"   "EXA"
or
   Option  "AccelMethod"   "XAA"

EXA is the new method, and theoretically better, but in
some cases, the implementation hasn't caught up yet
and XAA can be better.

Maybe post your whole xorg.conf while your at it.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Dan H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I guess the subject caught your attention after all.
>
>  Of course I'm not saying goodbye to Debian, at least not voluntarily and
>  certainly not at home. But I just changed jobs, and so moved from a self-
>  administered Debian box to a locked-up, preinstalled all-M$ Dell thing.
>  M$ Office, M$IE, Lotus Notes 6 (soon to be migrated to Outlook Express).

Outlook *Express*?! Are they mad? Outlook is bad and Notes is worse,
but at least Notes is powerful and awful. OE is weak and awful.

>  I've never really used Windows before and thought of it as just another
>  system -- I like Debian, you like Windows, no sweat.
>
>  Boy, what a piece of crap. It boggles the mind. This is how the world's
>  office workers get their work done? Or do they?

It seems implausible, doesn't it?
I used to be fairly efficent on Windows, but it took a lot of tweaking. Then
something happened and you had to reinstall, and all tweaks where lost...

>
>  I managed to install Opera in a directory owned by myself, but whenever I
>  try to open any page it keeps asking me for usernames and passwords,
>  which IE somehow seems to inherently know about.

Yeah, in a domain environment, IE can tie directly into the Windows NTLM
system, and use the credentials you logged into Windows with.

Firefox NTLM:
http://codebetter.com/blogs/eric.wise/archive/2006/11/16/Note-to-self_3A00_-Firefox-Windows-Authentication.aspx

Opera 9.0 (for Windows) and up is supposed to have basic support for NTLM.
The 9.5 betas may have improved support and there are proxies that you can
run on your local machine that will do NTLM auth.

PortableApps.com may help for some things.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: how to get pulseaudio working?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



You don't need to cc me, I'll see it on the list.

> I've been somewhat curious about using pulse, but there have been several
> emails on this list suggesting that it isn't as easy as just removing esound
> and installing some pulseaudio* packages.  Something that I did a few months
> ago on my Sid desktop boxes.  I haven't noticed any change after that; sound
> just kept on working.
>
> One thing that seems to be missing from most pages/posts are instructions to
> see what the current setup really is.  After installing the pulseaudio*
> packages I'm still no wiser as to whether I'm using them or not.  So, how do
> I know what my current (working) audio setup actually is?

You can see if pulseaudio is running with "ps -ef | grep pulse" or similar.

In general, if you removed esd and apps are still set to use esd, and they
still produce sound, PA must be working (*something* is taking the place
of esd). Also, ALSA can't do mixing by itself, so if you can hear two streams
at once (e.g. music and a video), something is mixing them.

If you wanted, you could tell apps to use PA directly, instead of via esd or
alsa emulation.

In ~/.xine/config :
 audio.driver:pulse

In ~/.mplayer/config :
  ao = pulse

SDL and GStreamer have pulseaudio packages that you can install.


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Re: Iceape

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:13 AM, mess-mate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>  Are you sure ?
>  The latest (etch) is version 1.5.0.14pre (20080208)
>  So is mine (etch)

You must be looking at the wrong package. The latest stable
Iceape/SeaMonkey is 1.1.x. The development  version is
2.0a1pre (2.0 pre-alpha) - there is no 1.5 version at all.


Bret, there is way to get older versions, unfortunately, I can't
remember it right now. I am sure someone else on the list
knows, or you could download and install SeaMonkey from
Mozilla. It isn't a .deb, but it isn't too hard to setup, and you
could move up to 1.1, which is a fair bit better than 1.0


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Re: Iceape

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Bret Busby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>
>  > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:42:33 -0800
>  > From: Kelly Clowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > To: debian-user 
>  > Subject: Re: Iceape
>  > Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:42:56 + (UTC)
>  > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>
> >
>  > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:13 AM, mess-mate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > 
>  >>  Are you sure ?
>  >>  The latest (etch) is version 1.5.0.14pre (20080208)
>  >>  So is mine (etch)
>  >
>  > You must be looking at the wrong package. The latest stable
>  > Iceape/SeaMonkey is 1.1.x. The development  version is
>  > 2.0a1pre (2.0 pre-alpha) - there is no 1.5 version at all.
>  >
>  >
>  > Bret, there is way to get older versions, unfortunately, I can't
>  > remember it right now. I am sure someone else on the list
>  > knows, or you could download and install SeaMonkey from
>  > Mozilla. It isn't a .deb, but it isn't too hard to setup, and you
>  > could move up to 1.1, which is a fair bit better than 1.0
>  >
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Kelly Clowers
>  >
>  >
>
>  Okay, this is where it gets difficult, as it is not a simple .deb
>  package installation.
>
>  I follow the instructions, as a user and, when I am in the installer,
>  it comes to the part where it says something like "Install in
>  /usr/local/seamonkey", and I accept that, then it says
>  "usrl/local/seamonkey does not exist. Create it?", so I respond "Yes",
>  and it responds "unable to create directory".
>
>  So, I think, "Okay, as a user, I cannot create a directory in there; I
>  must need to do it as a superuser.".
>
>  So I do an "su - root", and repeat the procedure for installation, with
>  the same download.
>
>  Except, when I enter the required command, "./seamonkey-installer", as
>  at
>  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey1.1.8/installation#linux
>  , I get
>  "(seamonkey-installer-bin:17610): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:".
>
>  As I have previously said, I am running Debian etch (4.0), which is
>  later than the required Debian 3.0, so I should not encounter a
>  compatibility problem.
>
>  This is where having software packages, provided as installable packages
>  via the particular distribution package handler (in this case, having
>  the software available as a .deb package, like Opera does), makes
>  installation possible and easy, whereas using the procedure required for
>  seamonkey, makes it too difficult for people like me, who are not Linux
>  "guru's ".

There is a definite advantage to .debs. Anyway, what I would do is
create the directory as root, then change the group and permissions
so your user can write to it. Your primary group name is the same as
your user name.

root# mkdir /usr/local/seamonkey
root# chgrp $username /usr/local/seamonkey
root# chmod g+rwx /usr/local/seamonkey

At this point, you should be able to install to this directory as your
normal user.

Regarding your later message, it sounds like you are trying a
Mozilla package that is in the Debian repos? If so, that is just
a transition package to SeaMonkey (IceApe).

Mozilla 1.8 = SeaMonkey 1.0 (rename) = IceApe 1.0 (Debian rename).

re: your even later message (man I love gmail's update conversation
button), If SeaMonkey is (still) in your menu, that is Mozilla.

I have to leave again, but I'll check in later.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: famd strikes again

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Paul Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it happened again. my wife complained that her login was locked up, she
>  couldn't read her email.
>  I did a CTRL-ALT-F7 to get to my login, works fine, email...
>
>  ps -ef|grep kmail
>  found her process, killed it.
>  CTRL-ALT-F8 to get to her login, still locked up. nothing works.
>  CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back to mine.
>
>  # ps -ef|grep famd
>  USER_ 4409 1 86 10:01 ?07:32:13 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0
>
>  /etc/init.d/fam restart
>
>  everything works fine again..
>  # ps -ef|grep famd
>  root 18821 1  0 18:42 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0
>
>  the other user USER_ owned the famd process.. but when I restarted it, root
>  owns it.

I don't know about this particular issue, but I found famd to
be a constant source of problems. Gamin is better, but not
perfect. I actually don't have either one installed - not very
many things actually depend on them. I do have libfam
installed - lots of things depend on that or libgamin, but
even libfam and libgamin don't depend on their daemons
(they merely suggest them). Unless you really need fam,
you should look into removing it.


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Re: foxconn architecture

[Kelly Clowers]

On 3/5/08, Gregg Jansen van Vuren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi,
>
> i am looking to install debian on a pc using a foxconn motherboard, i am not
> really sure what architecture setup i would choose from the debian packages,
> any hints?
>
> regards
> vurentjie

It has nothing to do with the mb, what matters is the cpu. i686 is ok
for all amd and
intel chips newer than pentium II or Athlon. If you have a 64 bit chip
(athlon 64 or
core 2 (or some P4's)) you can use the amd64 arch, although 686 will also work.


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Re: Autostarting programs with Fluxbox

[Kelly Clowers]

On 3/12/08, Rehceb Rotkiv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hello,
>
>  what is the proper way to automatically start a program after Fluxbox
>  launch? Most sources say something about ~/.xinit or ~/.xsession, but I do
>  not have/need these files because I launch Fluxbox from GDM (via a .desktop
>  file).
>

I am pretty sure that GDM will source .xsession, if it exists.
A Fluxbox-specific file is   ~/.fluxbox/startup.


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Re: Question about perl organisation on disk and CPAN

[Kelly Clowers]

On 4/3/08, Lesley Binks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
>  I'm using Perl 5.8.8 on etch and I have a couple of questions about Perl.
>
>  My @INC is
>  @INC is /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8
>  /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5
>  /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl
>  and, as far as I understand it this describes where perl searches for 
> modules.
>
>  The major difference between Debian etch and other distros I have
>  worked on is the existence of /etc/perl which contains subdirectories
>  of CPAN and NET on my install.
>
>  Almost all other distros share the /usr/share and /usr/lib hierarchies
>  and I would like to know why the two hiearchies exist and how it is
>  decided which hiearchy a module will be installed.
>  Basically what characteristics does a module have which means it
>  belongs in /usr/share or /usr/lib?
>
>  I think I understand the /usr/local hierarchy as a place to put
>  anything that occurs locally - any locally written modules and I use
>  site_perl for web related modules - mod_perl for example.
>
>  I can see the latest release of perl is 5.10  so presumably one could
>  have perl/5.10.0 as well as perl/5.8.8 on one installation but there
>  might be some modules that are generic across all perl 5.x releases.
>
>  The last question relates to installing modules.  Debian provides the
>  apt-get mechanism, and the cpan mechanism can also be used in two ways
>  'perl -MCPAN ..' or just using cpan on the command line.
>
>  I assume I get the modules that have been released with etch and which
>  might be a few versions behind the latest for any given module when
>  using the apt-get option e.g. 'apt-get libcgi-perl'.
>
>  If I use CPAN what is the best method to use? Should I use the cpan
>  command or should I use the perl -MCPAN method?  And how much of a
>  problem is not having perl 5.10 installed going to be if I choose to
>  get the latest modules from CPAN?Is it possible to install 5.10 on
>  etch or are there dependencies that might have wider effects than
>  simply updating perl e.g. altering the libraries that gcc relies on?

I think you might run into some issues if you install perl 5.10, but I am
not a perl expert.

As far as installing stuff from cpan, I suggest you check out a program
called dh-make-perl. It wraps cpan to create a .deb of the module, so
you can use the package manager to manage your cpan modules. It is
clearly easy to use, since I got it to work without much trouble and I
know almost nothing about perl or cpan.


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Re: best way to secure communication?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 5/17/06, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

what's the best way to secure IM-like communication? One way I could
think of is using ssh and then talk (or some equivalent), another idea
was to run an irc server like ircd-hybrid and use ssl.

But I don't exactly want to have other users log in via ssh (letting
aside that there's no usable windoze client for that, and cygwin is
too large to be downloaded with a modem connection), and ircd-hybrid
in testing seems to be compiled without ssl support.

I could compile my own ircd-hybrid, but I'm not sure if ssl support is
supposed to be used by IRC clients. It seems more targeted to secure
connections between IRC servers. And then, ssl is only so much secure
...

Maybe ssh could be used to tunnel IRC, but that appears to be at least
troublesome on the client side.

What's the way to go?


You can get some security in jabber with TLS/SSL . Many (most?) Jabber
clients and severs support TLS and/or SSL. If both clients connect to
the same server with TLS or the clients connect to different servers
with TLS and the servers talk to each other with TLS, then things are
somewhat secure.

For real end-to-end security some Jabber clients support GPG. See
these documents for more info:

http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/related_software/frontends.html#chat

http://psi-im.org/wiki/Encryption

Re: best way to secure communication?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 5/17/06, James Westby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On (18/05/06 00:30), lee wrote:
> Hi,
[snip]
> And then, ssl is only so much secure
[snip]

I think if you are worried about the security afforded by ssl you might
have to rethink your approach.

(Unfortuanately I can't really comment on your ideas as I have no
experience.)


James


SSL with a strong cipher (like AES) is great; however, as used in IM,
it is not end to end.
Jabber+GPG is end to end.

Re: Making CD to be read on Windows

[Kelly Clowers]

On 5/18/06, Michael Marsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/18/06, Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've made a CD containing data (html and jpg files) which works fine
> here but causes problems on Windows machines (surprise surprise!). The
> browser (presumably IE) keeps saying "Page not found".
>
> I think this may be something to do with filename length. I have an idea
> that the answer may be to make the CD with the -J switch. Can anyone
> confirm this? I really DON'T want to have to rename all the files,
> especially if that isn't the problem!

Here's my standard procedure for making a data CD:
$ mkisofs -o image.iso -J -r 
$ cdrecord -v dev=ATAPI:/dev/cdrom image.iso
This has always worked on both Linux and Windows, and the "-r" should
make it work on a Mac as well.  At least I *think* Mac is the platform
that needs Rock Ridge extensions.



Rock Ridge is for Posix systems. Mac OS X can use Rock Ridge and
Joliet. You can use -apple to create apple ISO9660 extentions. It is also
possible to create a hybrid ISO9660/Joliet/Rock Ridge/HFS image.

Re: best way to secure communication?

[Kelly Clowers]

On 5/18/06, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:42:48PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On 5/17/06, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >what's the best way to secure IM-like communication? One way I could
>
> For real end-to-end security some Jabber clients support GPG. See
> these documents for more info:
>
> http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/related_software/frontends.html#chat
>
> http://psi-im.org/wiki/Encryption

Thanks! I'm into end-to-end security. Can a gabber client connect
directly to another gabber client and then both of them encrypt
whatever is to be transfered with gpg?

Or would I run a jabber server and have both clients connect via the
server?

Hm, I'll start with installing gabber and see what I can find out from
there.


Jabber is client-server (except for things like Jingle audio and file
transfer, which can be p2p after initial setup), so you could run your
own server or use a third party server (which would see addressing
info, etc. but would not see the contents of the message).

If you want to run your own server, ejabberd is supposed to be
easy to set up. Wildfire is also well regarded.

Cheers,
Kelly

Re: ripping CD with SACD format seems impossible

[Kelly Clowers]

On 5/21/06, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Cdparanoia rejects one of my CDs. I am pretty sure that it's due to
the SACD format of the CD. I get this error:

>>
cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
(C) 2001 Monty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Xiphophorus
FreeBSD porting (c) 2003
Simon 'corecode' Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/

004: Unable to read table of contents header

Unable to open disc.  Is there an audio CD in the drive?
<<



So I was wondering if there is some kind of persuasive option
I can use on the cdparanoia command?

Adam


Ordinary cd drives can't read SACD. There are some freestanding
cd players that can also play SACD, but I don't know of any pc
drives that can do it. Some SACDs are hybrids and can be read
as a cd (at cd quality). If your disc is one of those it should be
possible to rip it, but I don't know what options, if any, you would
need. Sorry I can't help more than that.

Cheers,
Kelly